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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: stb on April 11, 2018, 12:29:16 PM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23092424/nba-did-doc-rivers-make-los-angeles-clippers-break-them
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This article confirms what I've always disliked about Rivers. He is a fake, a phoney, a fraud, etc. He says whatever he needs to say whether he believes it or not and has always just come off as dishonest to me.
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is he going to bounce again cuz he doesn't want to go through another rebuild?
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is he going to bounce again cuz he doesn't want to go through another rebuild?
Probably. He didn't want to stick around for the best franchise in basketball, so I doubt he's gonna want to stick around for one of the historically worst.
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no contender is looking to hire him now though. hes likely got no other choice.
maybe could replace walter on Brads staff???
:)
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I'm not so sure the Clippers are rebuilding, at least in the true sense of the word. They have some solid talent. The don't have a franchise level player, but they can fairly easily be a 45-50 win team next year.
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I'm not so sure the Clippers are rebuilding, at least in the true sense of the word. They have some solid talent. The don't have a franchise level player, but they can fairly easily be a 45-50 win team next year.
Considering Minnesota is barely clinging on, and must win tonight to keep their playoff hope alive, and same goes for Nuggets, 45-50 win team seems probable, but even then what's the point of being a treadmill mediocre team especially in the West? Just spells a lot of trouble, and considering CP3 wanted out, I don't think the owners are okay with having yet another disappointing season.
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Welp, this article should satiate the Doc Rivers haters. Good for them, I don't care.
Still love Doc for everything he accomplished while he was here.
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The Captain and The Truth himself taking some sideways shots at Doc in that article, after he showed up to Paul's retirement ceremony and everything.
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Welp, this article should satiate the Doc Rivers haters. Good for them, I don't care.
Still love Doc for everything he accomplished while he was here.
TP my friend. Wholeheartedly agree.
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I don't have strong feelings for him either way, but this article rehashes a lot of old stuff and just kind of takes shots at Doc. Whats the point of that? Leaked to prepare for him being fired?
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I don't have strong feelings for him either way, but this article rehashes a lot of old stuff and just kind of takes shots at Doc. Whats the point of that? Leaked to prepare for him being fired?
Rivers isn't going to be with the Clippers any longer, he's been disappointing every season, and losing both their best two players doesn't spell good news for River's future.
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This article confirms what I've always disliked about Rivers. He is a fake, a phoney, a fraud, etc. He says whatever he needs to say whether he believes it or not and has always just come off as dishonest to me.
TP ....I feel the same about Rivers the coach /GM ....that said .I did like hm alot as a player , especially the way he hustled in college.
He is all about himself first ....how to beat or use the system.
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I don't have strong feelings for him either way, but this article rehashes a lot of old stuff and just kind of takes shots at Doc. Whats the point of that? Leaked to prepare for him being fired?
I agree.
I mean, of all the coaches to profile, why Doc? His story is well-known and he's had neither great success nor overwhelming failure since leaving the Cs. Aren't there 20 or so other coaches with more interesting stories?
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The Captain and The Truth himself taking some sideways shots at Doc in that article, after he showed up to Paul's retirement ceremony and everything.
I don't think these are necessarily sideways shots at Doc. I can see how Pierce and co. when all the credit for how the 2008 team came together is laid at the feet of the coach. The players also had a part in that, you know...
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This article confirms what I've always disliked about Rivers. He is a fake, a phoney, a fraud, etc. He says whatever he needs to say whether he believes it or not and has always just come off as dishonest to me.
TP ....I feel the same about Rivers the coach /GM ....that said .I did like hm alot as a player , especially the way he hustled in college.
He is all about himself first ....how to beat or use the system.
Agreed, played way above his level at Marquette and liked/respected him as an nba player. In NY and ATL he was a very good pro. As a coach he has at different times, got a lot out of a team that wasn't that good, been a mentor to a great team keeping everyone in check and getting them to play together and a solid nba coach probably just above middle of the road. As a gm, horrible.
Don't wish him ill, seems like a very nice guy, we got a draft pick out of letting him leave!
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I'm not so sure the Clippers are rebuilding, at least in the true sense of the word. They have some solid talent. The don't have a franchise level player, but they can fairly easily be a 45-50 win team next year.
I don't see 45-50 wins out of this team.
40-45 seems more likely.
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I don't have strong feelings for him either way, but this article rehashes a lot of old stuff and just kind of takes shots at Doc. Whats the point of that? Leaked to prepare for him being fired?
Agreed. Most of the 'issues' seem like the normal issues any manager of diverse people will exhibit over a looooong career.
If you take a close look at anybody's career that is as long as Doc's, you will find a ton of anecdotes and quotes and images and bits and pieces of stories that are both positive and negative. You can thus paint any picture you want by simply focusing more on the positive or more on the negative.
Personally, I try not to waste too much energy pretending I know the true 'character' of any of these people. I don't. You don't. We never will.
Bottom line is always what they did on the court. Doc's record speaks for itself.
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I'm not so sure the Clippers are rebuilding, at least in the true sense of the word. They have some solid talent. The don't have a franchise level player, but they can fairly easily be a 45-50 win team next year.
I don't see 45-50 wins out of this team.
40-45 seems more likely.
depends on a lot on health. I mean Gallinari, Beverly, and Teodosic all missed a lot of game action.
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I don't have strong feelings for him either way, but this article rehashes a lot of old stuff and just kind of takes shots at Doc. Whats the point of that? Leaked to prepare for him being fired?
Agreed. Most of the 'issues' seem like the normal issues any manager of diverse people will exhibit over a looooong career.
If you take a close look at anybody's career that is as long as Doc's, you will find a ton of anecdotes and quotes and images and bits and pieces of stories that are both positive and negative. You can thus paint any picture you want by simply focusing more on the positive or more on the negative.
Personally, I try not to waste too much energy pretending I know the true 'character' of any of these people. I don't. You don't. We never will.
Bottom line is always what they did on the court. Doc's record speaks for itself.
Yup pretty much this. You can literally do this with anyone in a management position for a long time at any work place nevermind just sports.
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I don't have strong feelings for him either way, but this article rehashes a lot of old stuff and just kind of takes shots at Doc. Whats the point of that? Leaked to prepare for him being fired?
Agreed. Most of the 'issues' seem like the normal issues any manager of diverse people will exhibit over a looooong career.
If you take a close look at anybody's career that is as long as Doc's, you will find a ton of anecdotes and quotes and images and bits and pieces of stories that are both positive and negative. You can thus paint any picture you want by simply focusing more on the positive or more on the negative.
Personally, I try not to waste too much energy pretending I know the true 'character' of any of these people. I don't. You don't. We never will.
Bottom line is always what they did on the court. Doc's record speaks for itself.
Ah, see this is where my take on Doc firmed up:
As a player, he was solid, above average, and played hard most of the time. Not exactly an immortal sports hero, but a very good player with a good career on good teams surrounded by some great players and coaches.
As a coach, his early accolades came from doing what a lot of coaches have done: get a young team to play well and hard enough to exceed expectations in Orlando, and as most coaches who do this have done, he got COY, then fired when the team came down to earth. Here, our title success was about the KG/Thibs synergy that produced great defense, and an offense with players that couldn't be stopped who usually shared the ball. I mean, I don't know what exactly it was he did as a coach that a pretty average NBA coach couldn't have done, except...
When the Sterling thing all went down in LA, Doc earned my enduring respect for basically somehow holding that franchise together and being a strong moral voice.
So never particularly impressed with Doc as a player or coach, but a strong leader in times of moral crisis. That's worth a lot, and even though it may be time for he and the Clips to part, I hope he gets the degree of respect he deserves for what he's done for that organization. It might not be an exaggeration to say he's one of the most significant Clippers ever. Though maybe that itself would be [dang]ing him with faint praise.
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is he going to bounce again cuz he doesn't want to go through another rebuild?
It was never about the rebuild, he wanted to be in LA ...he never bought into Boston that's why I did not like him..well and because he really isn't a good coach. He won't bail on LA, even if he has to coach a team of DLeaguers.