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Title: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 02, 2018, 11:23:42 PM
I CAN'T believe I'm asking this question, and NEVER thought in my entire life this would even be a possibility, but do you think Kawhi Leonard has played his final game for the Spurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qJq6rD6DxM

The NBA Countdown crew was discussing this yesterday before the Rockets-Spurs game, and Jalen Rose and The Truth think Kawhi has played his last game as a Spur. Beadle also thinks this could be the case (though sad for her since I think she's a Spurs fan LOL). Anyways, then Jalen made the prediction that Boston trade for Kawhi, while Pierce thinks the Lakers should and will acquire him this summer.

Personally, I think this is sort of like the Aldridge situation where it seemed there was tension between him and Popovich (and the organization), but they settled it and now Aldridge is a legit all-star and primary option for the Spurs (no problems anymore at all). Maybe Kawhi and the Spurs sort this out during the summer and he signs that super-max extension and remains a Spur for life.

However, I think it's also telling that while the team played at San Antonio yesterday and the Playoffs are near, Kawhi is getting treatment at New York THIS LATE into the year. He's not even with the team and hasn't been for almost the entire season.

Idk, it just all seems so bizarre. I love Kawhi and think he's honestly underrated (easily a Top-5 player in the league when healthy and easily the best two-way player in the league), but like Irving, maybe there's a "different side" to him than we realized.

Leonard has one year of control left (around 20M next season), and he could either opt-in with his player option in 2019 and get traded to another team (Like CP3 last summer), or simply opt-out and sign as a FA elsewhere the summer of 2019.

Anyways, what do you guys think and/or predict? As I stated in the bold, I predict Kawhi remains a Spurs legend/superstar for life.

And frankly, I'm fine with the team we have and don't think gutting our assets for Davis or Leonard is worth it at this point. Both come with some big injury risks it seems as well.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: playdream on April 02, 2018, 11:32:51 PM
He isn't staying, he screwed his teammates and coach for his money, if i am the Spurs i trade him as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on April 02, 2018, 11:37:56 PM
If it's not the Celtics, who cares?  He's a diva like so many of them, largely because that's reinforced by the league at the moment.  Hopefully that changes somewhere down the road.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: KGs Knee on April 03, 2018, 01:08:48 AM
I still think he'll be with the Spurs next year.  And think he's more likely than not to sign a new contract with them as well.  The bottom line is he can make way more money in San Antonio than anywhere else.

But I don't necessarily think he's going to be a "Spurs for life".  I think at some point the Spurs will have to rebuild, and trading Leonard in his prime is a surefire way to jump start that process.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 03, 2018, 12:59:31 PM
Now Jalen's prediction is circulating all over the media.

Is it just me or has this guy been the "Woj wannabe" of the Kawhi saga this season  :P
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Moranis on April 03, 2018, 02:25:10 PM
He will either sign an extension this summer or get traded.  I don't know which one is more likely, but I can't see the Spurs letting him play out the year as an expiring contract.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 03, 2018, 03:09:31 PM
He will either sign an extension this summer or get traded.  I don't know which one is more likely, but I can't see the Spurs letting him play out the year as an expiring contract.

I also think if Spurs trade him, it will be to an East team. So if he does get dealt, it's likely to either Milwaukee or Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Birdman on April 03, 2018, 03:14:44 PM
I say Lakers...if im Danny i pass...1. Dont know how serious Leonard injury is...2. Dont know how Hayward will be once he comes back..3. Rather have a healthy combo of Tatum, Brown, Rozier & Smart
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: GreenShooter on April 03, 2018, 04:09:40 PM
I think he gets traded but not sure where.

Also, I am so sick of hearing people saying that Davis "comes with big injury risks". So f'n not true.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 03, 2018, 04:29:29 PM
It's the Spurs, they're not going to panic trade a guy unless there's no other recourse.

The tough decision comes if Kawhi's people play hardball and refuse an extension.  That's when the Spurs will quietly start looking into the offers they're surely already getting.

Don't know which way it will break, but I can just about guarantee the Spurs want to keep him barring something crazy like the ability to trade him for Davis. It probably depends on how Kawhi approaches it, and he's not a talker, so it's mostly guessing.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: A Future of Stevens on April 03, 2018, 04:41:03 PM
If there is a trade that exists that involves 1 of Tatum or Brown + 1 of Rozier or Smart + Sac pick + other draft considerations and filler, you have to do it. I'm not sure that would get it done, and I'd be very hesitant to trade everything for Kawhi.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Valid on April 03, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
I think he gets traded but not sure where.

Also, I am so sick of hearing people saying that Davis "comes with big injury risks". So f'n not true.
It definitely has a kernel of truth to it.

Davis has never played a full season and has only played 70 games twice in what is now a six-year career.

No, he has never had a real serious injury like a torn ACL or torn Achilles, but he has sustained a lot of nicks and bruises over the course of his tenure. The fact that he is so susceptible to things like sprains means his body could very well be more prone to tears and fractures.

I'm all for going after AD, but there is no doubt that he carries some durability concerns.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Spilling Green Dye on April 03, 2018, 04:47:06 PM
Now Jalen's prediction is circulating all over the media.

Is it just me or has this guy been the "Woj wannabe" of the Kawhi saga this season  :P

Jalen has been making both reasonable and outlandish predictions for the many years he's been in the media.  What irks me most about him is how arrogant he is about it, often times citing that he's in the know of player's more than anyone else (including Woj).  I remember him stating that MJ was coming back to play like 5-years ago, and that only he (Jalen) knew about this.  He shared it like we were fortunate to be listening to someone as connected as him.  Obviously that and most everything else he says never comes true. 
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: GreenShooter on April 03, 2018, 04:58:07 PM
I think he gets traded but not sure where.

Also, I am so sick of hearing people saying that Davis "comes with big injury risks". So f'n not true.
It definitely has a kernel of truth to it.

Davis has never played a full season and has only played 70 games twice in what is now a six-year career.

No, he has never had a real serious injury like a torn ACL or torn Achilles, but he has sustained a lot of nicks and bruises over the course of his tenure. The fact that he is so susceptible to things like sprains means his body could very well be more prone to tears and fractures.

I'm all for going after AD, but there is no doubt that he carries some durability concerns.
How do we know that he couldn't have come back sooner from some of those "minor" injuries? The team could've held him out intentionally for a lot of those games given that he's a franchise player and the team wasn't that competitive so why take an unnecessary risk(s). I call BS when people say he's comes with big injury concerns. He missed 7 games last year and maybe a handful this year. Star players are given games off. It's a known fact in the NBA. Until he has chronic knee and/or foot problems I'm not worried one bit about his durability.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 03, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
If there is a trade that exists that involves 1 of Tatum or Brown + 1 of Rozier or Smart + Sac pick + other draft considerations and filler, you have to do it. I'm not sure that would get it done, and I'd be very hesitant to trade everything for Kawhi.

Playing around with the NBA Trade machine and also accounting for salary increases next year, I think the most "reasonable" deal that could occur would be something like Brown/Tatum (just one), Rozier, Morris, and then two of Nader/Yabusele/Ojeyele (to make salaries work). Then obviously, Kings Pick and probably another future pick.

Personally, I wouldn't do that deal (ESPECIALLY if they want Tatum back), but considering salaries and such, that's probably what gets it done. Of course, other teams like PHI could probably outbid us, which is fine by me. Even LAL could though they'd probably have to get rid of Kuzma AND Ingram in the trade (since they don't really have any high picks coming up it seems and I doubt SAS wants Lonzo lol)

Now if you could work a sign and trade involving Smart and he's alright with going to San Antonio, and San Antonio wants Smart too, then it's possible to work a trade involving Smart, Brown/Tatum, and possibly being able to keep both Rozier and Morris (or at least one) depending on how much Smart's next extension is.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 03, 2018, 10:05:14 PM
Heat
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: indeedproceed on April 03, 2018, 11:06:40 PM
I said sixers. I think they have the assets to make a trade, the incentive to do so, and the potential to keep him. And nobody talks about them, and I don’t think the Celtics will trade Tatum for him, while Philly can offer Dario Saric, a lotto pick, other picks, and a few young guys with promise. For one year of Kawhi if the Spurs figure it’s done with Kawhi, I think the deal is there to be made.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Rondo9 on April 04, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
I said sixers. I think they have the assets to make a trade, the incentive to do so, and the potential to keep him. And nobody talks about them, and I don’t think the Celtics will trade Tatum for him, while Philly can offer Dario Saric, a lotto pick, other picks, and a few young guys with promise. For one year of Kawhi if the Spurs figure it’s done with Kawhi, I think the deal is there to be made.

What about Brown? Who has more potential than Saric? And a couple of lotto picks as well?
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: jambr380 on April 04, 2018, 02:08:03 PM
I said sixers. I think they have the assets to make a trade, the incentive to do so, and the potential to keep him. And nobody talks about them, and I don’t think the Celtics will trade Tatum for him, while Philly can offer Dario Saric, a lotto pick, other picks, and a few young guys with promise. For one year of Kawhi if the Spurs figure it’s done with Kawhi, I think the deal is there to be made.

What about Brown? Who has more potential than Saric? And a couple of lotto picks as well?

Yeah, I mean, I would be pretty bummed if I were a Spurs fan and we traded a top 5 player in the NBA for freakin' Dario Saric and the #10 pick. Jaylen and the Mem pick is better than that offer (nevermind the Sac pick), plus Jaylen would be a perfect replacement for Kawhi.

Who are the other young guys involved in the deal? I would think Fultz has to be one of them to be able to beat our 'B' offer (Tatum and Sac pick is our 'A').
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: GreenEnvy on April 04, 2018, 02:23:11 PM
I said sixers. I think they have the assets to make a trade, the incentive to do so, and the potential to keep him. And nobody talks about them, and I don’t think the Celtics will trade Tatum for him, while Philly can offer Dario Saric, a lotto pick, other picks, and a few young guys with promise. For one year of Kawhi if the Spurs figure it’s done with Kawhi, I think the deal is there to be made.

Saric doesn’t get Kawhi. Not a chance.

I’m not even positive Fultz does. Regardless of his well-documented issues, he doesn’t appear to be a Pop type of player.

There isn’t a GM in this league that wouldn’t take Brown/SAC18 over Saric/LAL17.

Unless they are willing to give up Fultz AND Saric, they won’t get him.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 04, 2018, 03:16:43 PM
I said sixers. I think they have the assets to make a trade, the incentive to do so, and the potential to keep him. And nobody talks about them, and I don’t think the Celtics will trade Tatum for him, while Philly can offer Dario Saric, a lotto pick, other picks, and a few young guys with promise. For one year of Kawhi if the Spurs figure it’s done with Kawhi, I think the deal is there to be made.

Yeah, if you read the other thread I created a while ago, "Are we doomed if Philly adds Lebron", I also now added that if they traded for Leonard instead, we may still be doomed LOL.  :P

But does Saric + picks really thread the needle? PHI obviously won't give up Simmons/Embiid for Leonard, but would they consider Fultz?
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: footey on April 04, 2018, 06:20:31 PM
I said sixers. I think they have the assets to make a trade, the incentive to do so, and the potential to keep him. And nobody talks about them, and I don’t think the Celtics will trade Tatum for him, while Philly can offer Dario Saric, a lotto pick, other picks, and a few young guys with promise. For one year of Kawhi if the Spurs figure it’s done with Kawhi, I think the deal is there to be made.

Yeah, if you read the other thread I created a while ago, "Are we doomed if Philly adds Lebron", I also now added that if they traded for Leonard instead, we may still be doomed LOL.  :P

But does Saric + picks really thread the needle? PHI obviously won't give up Simmons/Embiid for Leonard, but would they consider Fultz?

They’d consider offering Fultz. And Pop would consider them crazy making such a pitiful offer.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 04, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
Bleacher Report posted an article with trade ideas involving Kawhi.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768330-potential-trade-packages-and-landing-spots-for-spurs-star-kawhi-leonard

For Boston, they suggest:

Boston Celtics Receive: SF Kawhi Leonard

San Antonio Spurs Receive: SF/PF Marcus Morris, PG/SG Terry Rozier, SF/PF Jayson Tatum, PF/C Daniel Theis, 2019 top-eight protected first-round pick (from Boston, via Memphis)

Idk... I'd rather not. Maybe replace Tatum with Brown and I'd think about it, but then we have a logjam at the 3 with Leonard, Hayward and Tatum, and I also really like Theis coming off the bench behind Horford and another big like Monroe/Baynes. (And we possibly have a hole at the 2 after this trade unless Smart re-signs)

They also suggest trade ideas for Phoenix, Lakers, Sixers, Bucks and Cavaliers. The Cavaliers one is pure LOL. Lakers they suggest they give up both Kuzma + Ingram, and Sixers give up both Fultz + Saric (along with picks obviously). Suns idea looks "meh" as well but I guess it really depends where that pick lands.

Thoughts on the ideas?
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: CelticsQuestFor18 on April 04, 2018, 08:50:56 PM
Bleacher Report posted an article with trade ideas involving Kawhi.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768330-potential-trade-packages-and-landing-spots-for-spurs-star-kawhi-leonard

For Boston, they suggest:

Boston Celtics Receive: SF Kawhi Leonard

San Antonio Spurs Receive: SF/PF Marcus Morris, PG/SG Terry Rozier, SF/PF Jayson Tatum, PF/C Daniel Theis, 2019 top-eight protected first-round pick (from Boston, via Memphis)

Idk... I'd rather not. Maybe replace Tatum with Brown and I'd think about it, but then we have a logjam at the 3 with Leonard, Hayward and Tatum, and I also really like Theis coming off the bench behind Horford and another big like Monroe/Baynes. (And we possibly have a hole at the 2 after this trade unless Smart re-signs)

They also suggest trade ideas for Phoenix, Lakers, Sixers, Bucks and Cavaliers. The Cavaliers one is pure LOL. Lakers they suggest they give up both Kuzma + Ingram, and Sixers give up both Fultz + Saric (along with picks obviously). Suns idea looks "meh" as well but I guess it really depends where that pick lands.

Thoughts on the ideas?

Wait, so in that proposed deal, we could get Leonard AND keep the Kings Pick? Wow.

And honestly I think if I'm the Spurs looking for real good value back, then I'd look at the Sixers, Lakers and Celtics ideas. Not too high on Milwaukee's though maybe the Spurs like Middleton a ton, and the Cavaliers idea doesn't look great. Cavaliers offer Nets Pick and that's basically it, which other teams can easily outbid. Suns is intriguing as their pick could land #1 this year, but if it doesn't, I'm not sure how much value Bender even has. And is Josh Jackson really an intriguing name to San Antonio? Spurs could still take it though, and pair Booker with Leonard.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: green_bballers13 on April 04, 2018, 11:16:42 PM
San Antonio. They need each other.

If not, he should find a team with a great coach. He will determine his best fit. Lakers are not out of the question. If I'm Kawhi I'd look at HOU, BOS, PHI, and TOR.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Somebody on April 04, 2018, 11:21:18 PM
Kawhi isn't going to sacrifice that supermax when he's making peanuts compared to his peers in endorsement money lol. If he wants endorsement money, staying in San Antonio will still allow him to get a huge deal with a Chinese brand, he doesn't need to move to a big market team unless he wants a big deal from say Nike/Adidas/Jordan.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 06, 2018, 11:16:36 AM
Kawhi isn't going to sacrifice that supermax when he's making peanuts compared to his peers in endorsement money lol. If he wants endorsement money, staying in San Antonio will still allow him to get a huge deal with a Chinese brand, he doesn't need to move to a big market team unless he wants a big deal from say Nike/Adidas/Jordan.

I keep hearing some reports that Kawhi's uncle is involved with this saga. Someone know more about that? He seems to want Kawhi to go somewhere "bigger", but at the expense of a supermax deal in SA??
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: chambers on April 06, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
Injury history, will be 32 when that deal ends and he'll be paid 40-50$ million a season.
He does not pass either.
Hellllll naaawww.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 06, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
Injury history, will be 32 when that deal ends and he'll be paid 40-50$ million a season.
He does not pass either.
Hellllll naaawww.

I'm also fine keeping our core intact, returning healthy guys and just making sure we also have a solid bench (good depth). I wouldn't even trade for Davis right now even if the Pelicans were actually taking calls.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: playdream on April 06, 2018, 11:54:31 AM
Kawhi isn't going to sacrifice that supermax when he's making peanuts compared to his peers in endorsement money lol. If he wants endorsement money, staying in San Antonio will still allow him to get a huge deal with a Chinese brand, he doesn't need to move to a big market team unless he wants a big deal from say Nike/Adidas/Jordan.

I keep hearing some reports that Kawhi's uncle is involved with this saga. Someone know more about that? He seems to want Kawhi to go somewhere "bigger", but at the expense of a supermax deal in SA??
That max difference will be nothing compared to his shoe deal and commercial money he is going to get in LA
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 06, 2018, 02:57:20 PM
Kawhi isn't going to sacrifice that supermax when he's making peanuts compared to his peers in endorsement money lol. If he wants endorsement money, staying in San Antonio will still allow him to get a huge deal with a Chinese brand, he doesn't need to move to a big market team unless he wants a big deal from say Nike/Adidas/Jordan.

I keep hearing some reports that Kawhi's uncle is involved with this saga. Someone know more about that? He seems to want Kawhi to go somewhere "bigger", but at the expense of a supermax deal in SA??
That max difference will be nothing compared to his shoe deal and commercial money he is going to get in LA

Interesting to see if LAL is okay with dealing both Ingram and Kuzma in the trade.

They probably have to considering they don't have any real high draft picks likely coming soon.

But boy if Leonard AND Lebron go to Lakers, that would suck for us.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: tazzmaniac on April 06, 2018, 03:49:31 PM
Kawhi isn't going to sacrifice that supermax when he's making peanuts compared to his peers in endorsement money lol. If he wants endorsement money, staying in San Antonio will still allow him to get a huge deal with a Chinese brand, he doesn't need to move to a big market team unless he wants a big deal from say Nike/Adidas/Jordan.

I keep hearing some reports that Kawhi's uncle is involved with this saga. Someone know more about that? He seems to want Kawhi to go somewhere "bigger", but at the expense of a supermax deal in SA??
That max difference will be nothing compared to his shoe deal and commercial money he is going to get in LA

Interesting to see if LAL is okay with dealing both Ingram and Kuzma in the trade.

They probably have to considering they don't have any real high draft picks likely coming soon.

But boy if Leonard AND Lebron go to Lakers, that would suck for us.
Magic would definitely trade Ingram and Kuzma for Leonard assuming he checks out medically.  There'd be no concern about re-signing Leonard. 

Why?  Lebron going West makes winning the East much easier.  In the finals, we'd have to face a top West team no matter what and there's a good chance it wouldn't be the Lakers even with Lebron and Leonard. 
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 06, 2018, 10:30:59 PM
Kawhi isn't going to sacrifice that supermax when he's making peanuts compared to his peers in endorsement money lol. If he wants endorsement money, staying in San Antonio will still allow him to get a huge deal with a Chinese brand, he doesn't need to move to a big market team unless he wants a big deal from say Nike/Adidas/Jordan.

I keep hearing some reports that Kawhi's uncle is involved with this saga. Someone know more about that? He seems to want Kawhi to go somewhere "bigger", but at the expense of a supermax deal in SA??
That max difference will be nothing compared to his shoe deal and commercial money he is going to get in LA

Interesting to see if LAL is okay with dealing both Ingram and Kuzma in the trade.

They probably have to considering they don't have any real high draft picks likely coming soon.

But boy if Leonard AND Lebron go to Lakers, that would suck for us.
Magic would definitely trade Ingram and Kuzma for Leonard assuming he checks out medically.  There'd be no concern about re-signing Leonard. 

Why?  Lebron going West makes winning the East much easier.  In the finals, we'd have to face a top West team no matter what and there's a good chance it wouldn't be the Lakers even with Lebron and Leonard.

Yeah Lebron + Leonard on the Lakers is a playoff team but I doubt they are better than Golden State or Houston still, or that they could beat either in a 7-game playoff series. Plus if you trade Ingram, Kuzma to acquire Leonard and have to get rid of Randle because he gets overpaid elsewhere, you might not be a deep team either. Still a Top-4 team in the West though.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: CelticsQuestFor18 on April 07, 2018, 11:26:47 PM
Do the Knicks have the assets to pull it off?

Could be an intriguing fit. Him alongside Hardaway Jr, Porzingis, possibly Randle (who Knicks could go after in FA), Burke, and Beasley.

I truthfully am not high on Ntilikina and think the Knicks should package him, salary and future picks if needed to make the deal. Not sure if it would be enough though depending on what other teams offer for Kawhi.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on April 07, 2018, 11:41:04 PM
Do the Knicks have the assets to pull it off?

Could be an intriguing fit. Him alongside Hardaway Jr, Porzingis, possibly Randle (who Knicks could go after in FA), Burke, and Beasley.

I truthfully am not high on Ntilikina and think the Knicks should package him, salary and future picks if needed to make the deal. Not sure if it would be enough though depending on what other teams offer for Kawhi.

Well, wasn't Kawhi in New York getting his treatments and such recently..  :o  ;)
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: chambers on April 08, 2018, 05:42:06 AM
Do people really want to trade for this guy after
*his injury history
*lack of passing
*concerns over entitlement with his sitting out the season when his team says he's okay to play
*the opportunity to pay him $50 million a year!??

My god stay away people. If he was 24 years old, then perhaps we could talk about it, Tatum, Brown and all that cap room at ages 20 and 21 are a much better long term investment.

Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: gouki88 on April 08, 2018, 07:56:13 AM
Do people really want to trade for this guy after
*his injury history
*lack of passing
*concerns over entitlement with his sitting out the season when his team says he's okay to play
*the opportunity to pay him $50 million a year!??

My god stay away people. If he was 24 years old, then perhaps we could talk about it, Tatum, Brown and all that cap room at ages 20 and 21 are a much better long term investment.
Lack of passing is an interesting criticism. Are you saying that because he doesn't get many assists (approximately 3pg since he burst onto the scene as a top player)?

In terms of actual passes made per game ('16-'17), Kawhi ranked ahead of player such as Devin Booker, Avery Bradley, Bradley Beal, Victor Oladipo, Joe Ingles and Klay Thompson, just to name a few. Yet I doubt you'd say that those guys have a "lack of passing"
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: tazzmaniac on April 08, 2018, 09:04:11 AM
Do people really want to trade for this guy after
*his injury history
*lack of passing
*concerns over entitlement with his sitting out the season when his team says he's okay to play
*the opportunity to pay him $50 million a year!??

My god stay away people. If he was 24 years old, then perhaps we could talk about it, Tatum, Brown and all that cap room at ages 20 and 21 are a much better long term investment.
Lack of passing is an interesting criticism. Are you saying that because he doesn't get many assists (approximately 3pg since he burst onto the scene as a top player)?

In terms of actual passes made per game ('16-'17), Kawhi ranked ahead of player such as Devin Booker, Avery Bradley, Bradley Beal, Victor Oladipo, Joe Ingles and Klay Thompson, just to name a few. Yet I doubt you'd say that those guys have a "lack of passing"
Bradley?   Bradley's poor passing has been a constant criticism since he started with us.   
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 08, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
Magic has has a hole burning in his pocket to pay at least one mega star and LA fans at their wits end waiting to be relevant once again.

At least one of Lebron, Leonard , or George will be a faker next year .  With Randle , Ingram and Kuzma to offer ....its just going to happen .

Lebron and Leonard would tear a hole in their bank account.

Thats all out West and it still will,be hard to beat Curry KD or Harden CP3.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: tazzmaniac on April 08, 2018, 09:34:39 AM
Magic has has a hole burning in his pocket to pay at least one mega star and LA fans at their wits end waiting to be relevant once again.

At least one of Lebron, Leonard , or George will be a faker next year .  With Randle , Ingram and Kuzma to offer ....its just going to happen .

Lebron and Leonard would tear a hole in their bank account.

Thats all out West and it still will,be hard to beat Curry KD or Harden CP3.
I don't see Lebron going to the Lakers unless at least one other star is joining them.  He doesn't have time to wait for a bunch of young players to develop.  George definitely could go there by himself.  Leonard situation is definitely strange.  If he's trying to force a trade, he's from LA so the Lakers make sense.  Surprised you didn't list Cousins.  I could see him ending up on the Lakers. 
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: gouki88 on April 08, 2018, 09:51:51 AM
Do people really want to trade for this guy after
*his injury history
*lack of passing
*concerns over entitlement with his sitting out the season when his team says he's okay to play
*the opportunity to pay him $50 million a year!??

My god stay away people. If he was 24 years old, then perhaps we could talk about it, Tatum, Brown and all that cap room at ages 20 and 21 are a much better long term investment.
Lack of passing is an interesting criticism. Are you saying that because he doesn't get many assists (approximately 3pg since he burst onto the scene as a top player)?

In terms of actual passes made per game ('16-'17), Kawhi ranked ahead of player such as Devin Booker, Avery Bradley, Bradley Beal, Victor Oladipo, Joe Ingles and Klay Thompson, just to name a few. Yet I doubt you'd say that those guys have a "lack of passing"
Bradley?   Bradley's poor passing has been a constant criticism since he started with us.   
He didn’t say guys who are bad passers though. He said Kawhi doesn’t pass.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on May 01, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2773620-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-spurs-worried-sf-wants-move-to-knicks-lakers-76ers

Spurs reportedly fear Kawhi wants a trade to either PHI, NYK, LAL (Big Market Team)

Though it's mostly Kawhi's camp it seems that wants this, not necessarily Kawhi himself (but honestly, who knows anymore...)

I wonder if BKN Pick + Kevin Love + another asset in a package gets Leonard to CLE? Or Phoenix is willing to trade their Top-3 pick this year OR Josh Jackson in a package for him? Idk...
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: CelticsQuestFor18 on May 01, 2018, 05:03:48 PM
Magic has has a hole burning in his pocket to pay at least one mega star and LA fans at their wits end waiting to be relevant once again.

At least one of Lebron, Leonard , or George will be a faker next year .  With Randle , Ingram and Kuzma to offer ....its just going to happen .

Lebron and Leonard would tear a hole in their bank account.

Thats all out West and it still will,be hard to beat Curry KD or Harden CP3.

Could LAL sign and trade Randle in a deal for Leonard? In that case, they could do Randle + Ingram + a future 1st for Leonard and probably get him. Then either George or Lebron follows.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: GreenEnvy on May 01, 2018, 05:17:49 PM
Magic has has a hole burning in his pocket to pay at least one mega star and LA fans at their wits end waiting to be relevant once again.

At least one of Lebron, Leonard , or George will be a faker next year .  With Randle , Ingram and Kuzma to offer ....its just going to happen .

Lebron and Leonard would tear a hole in their bank account.

Thats all out West and it still will,be hard to beat Curry KD or Harden CP3.

PG13 is already there. That’s got to happen.

Only way it doesn’t is if LeBron wants to come there and not with PG, but someone like Chris Paul (assuming Rockets flame out against the Warriors).

Then Magic trades Lonzo and Ingram for a third star.

That makes too much sense to me. LeBron in LA? Check. CP3 on less than max deal (as a Laker, finally) trying to win a ring? Check. The. You get a good third banana and start filling in roster with ring chasing LA lovers.

You just know the NBA would love LeBron to go to the glamour team to start breaking scoring records and what not. If you think the media is all over Cleveland LeBron or was all over Miami Bron, just imagine LeBron in Tinseltown.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: libermaniac on May 01, 2018, 06:53:13 PM
Is it possible that Kawhi playing for Pop is kind of like IT playing for Brad Stevens, in that Pop makes Kawhi look better than he actually is?  I've never watched much of Kawhi since college - the Spurs tend to bore me for some reason.

I just think he's a risk with a) injury b) attitude c) might not be as good as he looks (although he'd come to another great coach who'd get the most out of him).  But, there is no way I'd give up Brown or Tatum plus another valuable pick for him.  We pretty much have our nucleus.  Why tinker with success?  If we are talking a trade for Anthony Davis then I get that since he fills a need for us ... Kawhi does not.  We are loaded with wings.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: footey on May 01, 2018, 07:01:26 PM
I think he has been legitimately hurt this whole time. If and when he recovers it will be with the Spurs. His condition, if degenerative, could end his career prematurely, which would be a shame. Such a unique talent. Dr. J with a great jump shot.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: RJ87 on May 01, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
I think he has been legitimately hurt this whole time. If and when he recovers it will be with the Spurs. His condition, if degenerative, could end his career prematurely, which would be a shame. Such a unique talent. Dr. J with a great jump shot.

Sounds like there's concern of ossification of the quad, that's a major red flag. I'd steer clear of that's even a tad unclear.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on May 29, 2018, 12:06:09 PM
I think he'll ultimately stay with the Spurs and they'll resolve whatever issues that have.

That's also an ideal outcome for us, as it means neither the Sixers or the Lakers could acquire him and possibly even lure Lebron in the process!  ;D  ;)

(Not to say either can't acquire Lebron still, but it's better than possibly adding Leonard AND Lebron...)
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: playdream on May 29, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
I think he'll ultimately stay with the Spurs and they'll resolve whatever issues that have.

That's also an ideal outcome for us, as it means neither the Sixers or the Lakers could acquire him and possibly even lure Lebron in the process!  ;D  ;)

(Not to say either can't acquire Lebron still, but it's better than possibly adding Leonard AND Lebron...)
Yeah obviously that's the best outcome for us
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 15, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
things just got interesting

I voted for SA originally
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: johnnygreen on June 15, 2018, 02:00:25 PM
Come on Danny, work your magic.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:17:17 PM
Come on Danny, work your magic.

doubt it

Celtics have the best assets but it would be suicide to give it up for a guy who could sit out next season then walk

UNLESS Leonard says,  Yes I will sign an extension.....  Best offer is Rozier, 2019 non kings 1sts, 2018 1sts

thats it
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
My gut feeling says the Spurs will end up trading with the Clippers.

To Spurs:  Louis Williams, Thornwell, Evans, Harris and 2018 12th and 13th picks
To Clippers: Leonard and add ons

Reason:  Already rumors swirling the Spurs don't want to give the Lakers the satisfaction.  Nor are really keen on Kuzma, Ingram or Ball (prob because of Lavar)

Spurs don't really get great value back with trading with the Clippers but do get back many pieces that should be able to play under Popovich plus get to pick 2 players in the lotto of their liking.  Also have the 19th pick and could package to trade down.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
Outside chance is the Knicks as Pops really likes frank ntilikina

Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas + 9th pick + future 1st
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 15, 2018, 07:45:00 PM
Outside chance is the Knicks as Pops really likes frank ntilikina

Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas + 9th pick + future 1st

Yeah that sounds exciting for the Spurs. That means Pop retires.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:45:39 PM
Can't discount that Leonard and Lebron are talking....so once the trade is finalized (likely one of the LA teams),  Lebron will follow and join
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Birdman on June 15, 2018, 07:45:49 PM
Miami is a darkhorse i think..dragic, richardson, winslow, bam for leonard...theres no way they gotta trade him to Lakers
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:47:15 PM
Outside chance is the Knicks as Pops really likes frank ntilikina

Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas + 9th pick + future 1st

Yeah that sounds exciting for the Spurs. That means Pop retires.

haha.  Any trades then means Pops retires

Spurs won't get equal value back for Leonard...regardless who they trade with

Plus he has already stated he wants to be traded to one of the LA teams (I think I heard Knicks is on the list). I mean maybe the Knicks will just risk it and give up those assets in hopes to entice Leonard to resign
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:48:09 PM
Miami is a darkhorse i think..dragic, richardson, winslow, bam for leonard...theres no way they gotta trade him to Lakers

But think about

why would these other non LA teams (outside of say the Knicks who have nothing to lose anyways) give up a ton for a guy who could just shut it down next season as well plus walks??

its suicidal
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 15, 2018, 07:48:29 PM
Can't discount that Leonard and Lebron are talking....so once the trade is finalized (likely one of the LA teams),  Lebron will follow and join

It has to be close to 100% that LBJ is the one that got Kawhi to get this moving quick so he can line everything up in time for his next super team. I really couldn't care less if they become a team that battles with GSW & HOU. Kill each other off and we come in for the final battle. What I don't want is any of these guys going to Philly.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:50:13 PM
Can't discount that Leonard and Lebron are talking....so once the trade is finalized (likely one of the LA teams),  Lebron will follow and join

It has to be close to 100% that LBJ is the one that got Kawhi to get this moving quick so he can line everything up in time for his next super team. I really couldn't care less if they become a team that battles with GSW & HOU. Kill each other off and we come in for the final battle. What I don't want is any of these guys going to Philly.

exactly

luckily 76ers have very little in terms of what Popovich wants

He doesn't want an unfocused , confused prospect like Fultz.   Simmons and Embiid are untouchables. 2018 10th pick is not good enough.   2019 1st belongs to us

76ers don't have much to offer
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:52:31 PM
Danny will low ball without a guarantee. So its like wasting time

there is a 1 percent chance he gives up Brown for a guy who is ready to walk after one season

Imagine losing both Irving and Leonard after 2018-2019?  That would drop the Celts on its knees
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 07:59:18 PM
Lakers
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 08:12:28 PM
Clippers should be on the list

12th and 13th picks are more valuable to the Spurs than people realize.  They are a team that have done a great job with the draft. 
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: slamtheking on June 15, 2018, 08:23:41 PM
thought he'd resign with SA originally but anywhere besides the Lakers would be a shock now.  would suspect that he's talked with other all-stars, likely Lebron and probably PG, about teaming up in LA much the same as  Bron pulled in Miami.  Hate player collusion like this.  if there was any time that the league should step in and nullify player collusion it would be once Kawhi goes to LA, Silver should block more Bron or PG if the other also signs in LA for the good of the game.  it won't happen but it's a prime reason why I don't care what happens in the NBA outside of the Celtics
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: footey on June 15, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
I think Danny will roll the dice and trade for him. Take the risk he stays.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 16, 2018, 03:58:07 PM
If the Lakers trade for Leonard -- they have to offer Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Channing Frye and some draft picks.

Is that a tempting enough offer for the Spurs?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: jambr380 on June 16, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
If the Lakers trade for Leonard -- they have to offer Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Channing Frye and some draft picks.

Is that a tempting enough offer for the Spurs?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybpyxpk5

Oh, I think the Lakers will really have to pay if they want this to happen - especially if they want to get rid of Deng. Something along the lines of: Deng, Ball, Ingram, Kuzma for Kawhi and Mills.

I know it sounds like a lot, but would the Lakers really not do this deal if they had assurances of acquiring Lebron and George? Maybe Pop doesn't want Ball, but he can easily be re-routed to a 3rd team with the Spurs picking up another solid prospect/pick.

Also, Frye is a UFA after this season so I don't think he can be traded. I really wish Trade Machine would update the site to advance to the next year after the current year's trade deadline. Salaries and contract years are outdated and it is almost impossible to make legit trades.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 17, 2018, 02:32:06 PM
I just realized, but why not Milwaukee?

According to Woj, he doesn't want to be the alpha of a team that has to deal with a ton of pressure all around (media, in-game, etc.)

Well, he could get that with MIL, and a duo of Leonard/Giannis is a problem for a lot of folks (including the C's though the C's are deeper).

Couldn't something like Middleton + Brogdon/Maker + 2018 Bucks 1st + Future 1st get it done?

Even if he's a rental, MIL might be a bit desperate to add legitimate star-power to their team.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 17, 2018, 02:41:23 PM
I just realized, but why not Milwaukee?

According to Woj, he doesn't want to be the alpha of a team that has to deal with a ton of pressure all around (media, in-game, etc.)

Well, he could get that with MIL, and a duo of Leonard/Giannis is a problem for a lot of folks (including the C's though the C's are deeper).

Couldn't something like Middleton + Brogdon/Maker + 2018 Bucks 1st + Future 1st get it done?

Even if he's a rental, MIL might be a bit desperate to add legitimate star-power to their team.

Or you could do Middleton + Parker + Draft Pick. That's actually a pretty good haul.
Title: Re: Poll: Who Is Kawhi Leonard Playing For In 2019 & Beyond?
Post by: CelticsBR on June 17, 2018, 09:21:43 PM
Can't discount that Leonard and Lebron are talking....so once the trade is finalized (likely one of the LA teams),  Lebron will follow and join

It has to be close to 100% that LBJ is the one that got Kawhi to get this moving quick so he can line everything up in time for his next super team. I really couldn't care less if they become a team that battles with GSW & HOU. Kill each other off and we come in for the final battle. What I don't want is any of these guys going to Philly.

exactly

luckily 76ers have very little in terms of what Popovich wants

He doesn't want an unfocused , confused prospect like Fultz.   Simmons and Embiid are untouchables. 2018 10th pick is not good enough.   2019 1st belongs to us

76ers don't have much to offer

Is SImmons really untouchable if it means getting Lebron AND Kawhi?

They could trade Simmons, Fultz  and Covington (or whatever they get a 3rd team to give for those 3) for Kawhi and still sign Lebron