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Other Discussions => Other / General Sports => Bruins / Hockey => Topic started by: Roy H. on February 25, 2018, 09:49:56 AM
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The New York Rangers have traded six-time All-Star forward Rick Nash to the Boston Bruins, the Rangers announced Sunday.
The Rangers will receive forwards Ryan Spooner and Matt Beleskey, prospect defenseman Ryan Lindgren, the Bruins' 2018 first-round draft pick and a 2019 seventh-round pick.
I love that they’re going for it. He’s on the downside of his career, but he’ll help.
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This could be a really fun spring ahead with the Bruins & Celtics.
B’s are definitely going for it, huh?
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That is a honest move to go for it. Not sure it's enough though.
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Am I the only one who thinks this is a pretty big overpay?
5 assets including 1st rounder, Spooner and another solid prospect for a pure rental?
I mean yeah, it's nice to get rid of 50% Beleskey's salary, and maybe Nash does help in the playoffs, but it still seems risky.
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Am I the only one who thinks this is a pretty big overpay?
5 assets including 1st rounder, Spooner and another solid prospect for a pure rental?
I mean yeah, it's nice to get rid of 50% Beleskey's salary, and maybe Nash does help in the playoffs, but it still seems risky.
Spooner was a FA and they get out of at least part of Belesky’s awful contract. A bit of an overpay but in the scheme of things I don’t think it’s that bad.
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That's an awful lot to give up (quantity if not quality) for someone who's going to hit free agency end of season and is already 33 anyway.
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I don't know much about hockey. It seems he'll be one of the oldest on the team. Would it be likely for him to resign at reasonable money if the team does well?
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33 isn't terribly old for hockey
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This is a great go for it all trade. The Bruins have all their draft picks for the next few years, they are extremely young, they have the best playing line and best playing goalie in the league, and could be looking at home ice advantage throughout the playoffs by having a great ending stretch. Love this trade.
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Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.
I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the B's missed that in some instances)
Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...
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Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.
I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)
Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...
You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:
* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder
Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.
This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.
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33 isn't terribly old for hockey
Well if you're Jaromir Jagr it's, like, the start of your prime?
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Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.
I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)
Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...
You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:
* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder
Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.
This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.
A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.
That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.
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Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.
I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)
Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...
You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:
* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder
Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.
This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.
A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.
That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.
Those picks still aren’t worth very much:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/
A late first rounder apparently isn’t worth all much more than a 3rd rounder.
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Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.
I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)
Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...
You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:
* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder
Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.
This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.
A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.
That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.
Those picks still aren’t worth very much:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/
A late first rounder apparently isn’t worth all much more than a 3rd rounder.
I think that study isn't worth a whole lot when they immediately throw out two of the most important positions in the game as part of the study.
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Bruins also signed Brian Gionta for $700,000.
I like that move. Very low risk with potentially high reward. Good veteran presence too, and I think that does matter more than people think (not saying it guarantees a championship, but I think we saw last year how much the C's missed that in some instances)
Although it's unlike with Nash who we had to trade five assets away for, and I'm really not sure he's that kind of "difference maker" that warrants that kind of trade. Is he a solid player? Absolutely. But still...
You’ve got to look at the “assets”, though:
* An inferior wing who is a restricted free agent
* A mediocre prospect defenseman
* A wing with negative trade value
* A late 1st rounder
* A 7th rounder
Spooner is the only asset that is likely to add anything to a team, and Nash is an upgrade.
This is the Bruins’ equivalent of “Yabu + #1 for Tyreke”. I’d still do that deal.
A late 1st Rd pick in the NHL is still a very valuable asset. Sure, it's not as valuable as a higher pick, but the difference in value between the beginning and end of the 1st round in the NHL is far different than what that difference would be in the NBA.
That said, I still like this deal for the Bruins. Nash is a proven veteran (but not too old) that could very well give the B's that extra push they need to win the Cup this year.
Those picks still aren’t worth very much:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/
A late first rounder apparently isn’t worth all much more than a 3rd rounder.
I think that study isn't worth a whole lot when they immediately throw out two of the most important positions in the game as part of the study.
They’re measuring production. Judging defensemen and particularly goalies by the same standard wouldn’t make any sense.
And, if anything, goalies bring down the value of a 1st rounder:
https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/ranking-every-goalie-selected-in-the-first-round-since-2000/
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These moves aren't gonna mean much if the Bruins can't snap out of this funk they're suddenly in.
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Took that big L today.
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Meanwhile, there goes Spooner recording his first assist as a Ranger... :(
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These moves aren't gonna mean much if the Bruins can't snap out of this funk they're suddenly in.
We’re talking two losses in a row, for perspective.
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These moves aren't gonna mean much if the Bruins can't snap out of this funk they're suddenly in.
We’re talking two losses in a row, for perspective.
Yes, but they've lost 3 out of their last 4, and 2 of those losses were beatdowns to the woeful Canucks and Sabres. They also lost to the Sabres 2 weeks ago. They had been staying within a point of best record in the NHL, but this little slump has dropped them to third in the East. Not trending in the right direction.
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Nash was great tonight. He scored a goal and saved one, too.
Awesome win without Bergeron. The 3rd period felt like playoff hockey.
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Nash was great tonight. He scored a goal and saved one, too.
Awesome win without Bergeron. The 3rd period felt like playoff hockey.
He’s been good both games since he’s been here. The knock against him has always been his playoff performances. Hopefully he shines here!