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Title: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: CelticsElite on February 19, 2018, 01:18:39 AM
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Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: trickybilly on February 19, 2018, 01:29:02 AM
It would be a smart move if the Cavs don't win the chip this year. Lakers seem about 3 years away, and the Clips need to blow it up.

I actually think Detroit might be an option. If Detroit could get Reggie's contract off the books, maybe by pairing him with Stanley J, Kennard, expirings, picks for LeBron in a sign and trade?
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on February 19, 2018, 01:39:05 AM
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They're friends and LeBron James is his sudo mentor so it would be obvious that Simmons would want James on his team but they couldn't function together, both James and Simmons need the ball and Simmons at this stage of his career can't even function without the ball in his hands. What Philly needs is a bunch of high level 3 and D guys who can compliment Embiid, Simmons and Saric (Avery Bradley comes to mind).
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: MichaelJ on February 19, 2018, 05:47:35 AM
Let him go there and tear that locker room apart.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: hodgy03038 on February 19, 2018, 06:55:33 AM
It would be a smart move if the Cavs don't win the chip this year. Lakers seem about 3 years away, and the Clips need to blow it up.

I actually think Detroit might be an option. If Detroit could get Reggie's contract off the books, maybe by pairing him with Stanley J, Kennard, expirings, picks for LeBron in a sign and trade?

I would think Cleveland would rather just lose LeBron rather than take these guys in a sign and trade. Kennard would be okay but the other two?
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: PAOBoston on February 19, 2018, 07:58:28 AM
Not sure functionally how that would work. Simmons playing off ball with no semblance of a jump shot would be scary.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2018, 08:08:04 AM
Philly makes some sense. They’re in the East, they can easily give out a max contract plus sign another major free agent, Dr. J is Lebron’s idol.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 08:31:23 AM
Philly makes some sense. They’re in the East, they can easily give out a max contract plus sign another major free agent, Dr. J is Lebron’s idol.
How are they going to sign Lebron at 35% Max and sign another major free agent?  Embiid's new Max contract goes into effect.  They'll have to dump Bayless just to be able to fit a single major free agent and that assumes Embiid only gets 25% Max.  If he's voted as 1st team All NBA, he'll get 30% Max. 
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: gift on February 19, 2018, 08:55:43 AM
Lebron would make more sense in Philly if they traded Simmons.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2018, 09:21:20 AM
Philly makes some sense. They’re in the East, they can easily give out a max contract plus sign another major free agent, Dr. J is Lebron’s idol.
How are they going to sign Lebron at 35% Max and sign another major free agent?  Embiid's new Max contract goes into effect.  They'll have to dump Bayless just to be able to fit a single major free agent and that assumes Embiid only gets 25% Max.  If he's voted as 1st team All NBA, he'll get 30% Max.

I forgot about Embiid’s extension. Even so, they’ve got two all-star caliber players. Add them to Lebron and they still get out of the East.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 09:41:47 AM
Philly makes some sense. They’re in the East, they can easily give out a max contract plus sign another major free agent, Dr. J is Lebron’s idol.
How are they going to sign Lebron at 35% Max and sign another major free agent?  Embiid's new Max contract goes into effect.  They'll have to dump Bayless just to be able to fit a single major free agent and that assumes Embiid only gets 25% Max.  If he's voted as 1st team All NBA, he'll get 30% Max.

I forgot about Embiid’s extension. Even so, they’ve got two all-star caliber players. Add them to Lebron and they still get out of the East.
I agree that they'd get out of the East.  They'd have a good chance to win it all.  They're already one of the best defensive teams and that's with Saric and Redick starting.  Lebron would give them the go to scorer that they need.  The big problems with Lebron are his age and his baggage.  But if he wants to sign a 1+1 with the Sixers, there is no way they cannot do it. 
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: seancally on February 19, 2018, 09:45:06 AM
Wow. Rookie Ben Simmons already thinking of how to take the easy way to the top. If I were him I'd be thinking, hmmm... Lebron is probably out of the league in, say, 5 years, maybe fewer.... I'll be starting to hit my prime by then..... hmmmmm............
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
The notion that Lebron and Simmons wouldn't work together is silly.  Simmons and Saric work pretty well together.  Saric is a nice player but Lebron is better then him in every way except age.  Simmons, Redick, Covington, Lebron and Embiid would be a really tough matchup for GSW.  Curry would need to play exceptionally well. 
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: celticsclay on February 19, 2018, 12:26:43 PM
Are players allowed to do this? I get he isn't front office but crazy magic Johnson can't say Giannis is a great players but Simmons can do this.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: gift on February 19, 2018, 12:28:12 PM
The notion that Lebron and Simmons wouldn't work together is silly.  Simmons and Saric work pretty well together.  Saric is a nice player but Lebron is better then him in every way except age.  Simmons, Redick, Covington, Lebron and Embiid would be a really tough matchup for GSW.  Curry would need to play exceptionally well.

Are you thinking that Lebron just becomes the Saric upgrade? I don't see that happening. Saric usage rate is 20.4, Lebron's is 30.9. Hey, they'd still win the east, but in order to maximize Lebron in Philly it's ironic that the guy we're talking about "recruiting" him would be best to move for better fitting pieces. Lebron is a better Simmons upgrade than a Saric upgrade.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: gift on February 19, 2018, 12:30:03 PM
The notion that Lebron and Simmons wouldn't work together is silly.  Simmons and Saric work pretty well together.  Saric is a nice player but Lebron is better then him in every way except age.  Simmons, Redick, Covington, Lebron and Embiid would be a really tough matchup for GSW.  Curry would need to play exceptionally well.

Are you thinking that Lebron just becomes the Saric upgrade? I don't see that happening. Saric usage rate is 20.4, Lebron's is 30.9. Hey, they'd still win the east, but in order to maximize Lebron in Philly it's ironic that the guy we're talking about "recruiting" him would be best to move for better fitting pieces. Lebron is a better Simmons upgrade than a Saric upgrade.

For instance, sign Lebron and use Simmons in a package for Anthony Davis is better than keeping Simmons with Lebron.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 01:09:59 PM
Are players allowed to do this? I get he isn't front office but crazy magic Johnson can't say Giannis is a great players but Simmons can do this.
Of course they can.  It happens all the time.  The only way there would be an issue would be if it became public that it was being done at the direction of the Sixers organization. 
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: celticsclay on February 19, 2018, 01:29:52 PM
Are players allowed to do this? I get he isn't front office but crazy magic Johnson can't say Giannis is a great players but Simmons can do this.
Of course they can.  It happens all the time.  The only way there would be an issue would be if it became public that it was being done at the direction of the Sixers organization.

I'm pretty glad Tatum and brown don't do this stuff. Just seems like a distraction
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
The notion that Lebron and Simmons wouldn't work together is silly.  Simmons and Saric work pretty well together.  Saric is a nice player but Lebron is better then him in every way except age.  Simmons, Redick, Covington, Lebron and Embiid would be a really tough matchup for GSW.  Curry would need to play exceptionally well.

Are you thinking that Lebron just becomes the Saric upgrade? I don't see that happening. Saric usage rate is 20.4, Lebron's is 30.9. Hey, they'd still win the east, but in order to maximize Lebron in Philly it's ironic that the guy we're talking about "recruiting" him would be best to move for better fitting pieces. Lebron is a better Simmons upgrade than a Saric upgrade.

For instance, sign Lebron and use Simmons in a package for Anthony Davis is better than keeping Simmons with Lebron.
I thought about flipping Simmons for AD but that assumes that AD becomes available. Disagree that Lebron is a better Simmons upgrade than Saric.  Saric is a good role player.  Simmons is a young star.  When Lebron's play declines in 2 or 3 years, you want Simmons to be there to take over.  Of course, Fultz's situation is a big variable in the equation. 

Embiid's usage rate is third in the league at 33.8% and he is only getting assisted on 48.4% of his field goals.  That's too much offensive load considering the load he carries on defense.  It would be good to get him closer to AD's 28.8% usage and 70.1% assisted field goals. 
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: jambr380 on February 19, 2018, 01:46:23 PM
I sure hope Lebron crashes and burns soon enough. It is crazy how much noise there is over what team Lebron goes to and how that team will be the new favorites for a championship. Good GMs work for years building a team through the draft, trades, and FA; it's annoying that Lebron going to [enter team name here] and that team trading its best assets for Anthony Davis is a legit possibility.

The best things that can happen to this league are: GSW having to pay real maxes to its top players (and eventually losing one or two of them) and Lebron finally declining. We are all just in a stand and wait period until then.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 01:51:35 PM
Are players allowed to do this? I get he isn't front office but crazy magic Johnson can't say Giannis is a great players but Simmons can do this.
Of course they can.  It happens all the time.  The only way there would be an issue would be if it became public that it was being done at the direction of the Sixers organization.

I'm pretty glad Tatum and brown don't do this stuff. Just seems like a distraction
Half a minute to do an Instagram post is a distraction?  Players have a lot of downtime.  You don't know what Tatum and Brown are doing with theirs.   
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Ogaju on February 19, 2018, 02:06:36 PM
I sure hope Lebron crashes and burns soon enough. It is crazy how much noise there is over what team Lebron goes to and how that team will be the new favorites for a championship. Good GMs work for years building a team through the draft, trades, and FA; it's annoying that Lebron going to [enter team name here] and that team trading its best assets for Anthony Davis is a legit possibility.

The best things that can happen to this league are: GSW having to pay real maxes to its top players (and eventually losing one or two of them) and Lebron finally declining. We are all just in a stand and wait period until then.

TP until real max players get max cap hits the NBA salary cap is a joke. I really dont care whether or not a player takes a discount, that is his problem. The cap hit MUST reflect reality otherwise the cap is a joke. What planet are you playing in when Durant is not a max contract hit for salary cap purposes?
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: footey on February 19, 2018, 02:28:42 PM
If Cleveland gets back into finals which is pretty likely, I highly doubt Lebron leaves Cleveland.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: ETNCeltics on February 19, 2018, 02:38:19 PM
I suspect LBJ's going to LA, and the decision will have little to do with winning a title.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2018, 02:54:52 PM
If Cleveland gets back into finals which is pretty likely, I highly doubt Lebron leaves Cleveland.

He left Miami in that situation.  I think Lebron wants a shot at another ring, and that’s very likely not happening in Cleveland.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: celticsclay on February 19, 2018, 02:55:40 PM
Are players allowed to do this? I get he isn't front office but crazy magic Johnson can't say Giannis is a great players but Simmons can do this.
Of course they can.  It happens all the time.  The only way there would be an issue would be if it became public that it was being done at the direction of the Sixers organization.


I'm pretty glad Tatum and brown don't do this stuff. Just seems like a distraction
Half a minute to do an Instagram post is a distraction?  Players have a lot of downtime.  You don't know what Tatum and Brown are doing with theirs.

It's not the time spent. Why on earth with you think I meant that? I meant worrying about luring free agents during the offseason in the middle of the playoff race. I didn't really love it when IT did this kind of Stuff either. If you don't care or find it tiresome good for you.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2018, 02:56:13 PM
I suspect LBJ's going to LA, and the decision will have little to do with winning a title.

What does losing with the Lakers offer him? He’s already got all the fame / celebrity he could ask for.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 03:21:44 PM
Are players allowed to do this? I get he isn't front office but crazy magic Johnson can't say Giannis is a great players but Simmons can do this.
Of course they can.  It happens all the time.  The only way there would be an issue would be if it became public that it was being done at the direction of the Sixers organization.


I'm pretty glad Tatum and brown don't do this stuff. Just seems like a distraction
Half a minute to do an Instagram post is a distraction?  Players have a lot of downtime.  You don't know what Tatum and Brown are doing with theirs.

It's not the time spent. Why on earth with you think I meant that? I meant worrying about luring free agents during the offseason in the middle of the playoff race. I didn't really love it when IT did this kind of Stuff either. If you don't care or find it tiresome good for you.
If IT hadn't done it we might not have gotten Hayward.  You can bet Pierce recruited KG. 

One Instagram post during the AllStar weekend doesn't mean that Simmons is worrying about recruiting Lebron.  He's just having fun.   
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 19, 2018, 03:26:48 PM
I suspect LBJ's going to LA, and the decision will have little to do with winning a title.

What does losing with the Lakers offer him? He’s already got all the fame / celebrity he could ask for.
Lebron clearly didn't handle the losing stint this year very well.  Can't see him going to the Lakers or anywhere else that won't be a competitive playoff teams. 
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Phantom255x on February 19, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
The Lakers traded Nance and Clarkson to the team Lebron is currently on, and they will likely lose Randle and maybe even Lopez, KCP and/or a few bench guys in the process to sign Lebron and George.

Yes, they have Ball, Ingram and Kuzma, but that still is quite a bit of inexperience and not a sure title contender for at least a few years. Playoff team? Absolutely. Contender? Well, unless they somehow add like 2 extremely good bench guys, I'm not seeing it in a loaded West.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: celticsclay on February 19, 2018, 03:39:25 PM
Are players allowed to do this? I get he isn't front office but crazy magic Johnson can't say Giannis is a great players but Simmons can do this.
Of course they can.  It happens all the time.  The only way there would be an issue would be if it became public that it was being done at the direction of the Sixers organization.


I'm pretty glad Tatum and brown don't do this stuff. Just seems like a distraction
Half a minute to do an Instagram post is a distraction?  Players have a lot of downtime.  You don't know what Tatum and Brown are doing with theirs.

It's not the time spent. Why on earth with you think I meant that? I meant worrying about luring free agents during the offseason in the middle of the playoff race. I didn't really love it when IT did this kind of Stuff either. If you don't care or find it tiresome good for you.
If IT hadn't done it we might not have gotten Hayward.  You can bet Pierce recruited KG. 

One Instagram post during the AllStar weekend doesn't mean that Simmons is worrying about recruiting Lebron.  He's just having fun.

You have evidence that social media posts made by IT helped get hawyward? Definitely the first I have heard of this
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: celticsclay on February 19, 2018, 03:41:37 PM
The Lakers traded Nance and Clarkson to the team Lebron is currently on, and they will likely lose Randle and maybe even Lopez, KCP and/or a few bench guys in the process to sign Lebron and George.

Yes, they have Ball, Ingram and Kuzma, but that still is quite a bit of inexperience and not a sure title contender for at least a few years. Playoff team? Absolutely. Contender? Well, unless they somehow add like 2 extremely good bench guys, I'm not seeing it in a loaded West.

Could add Wade and Carmelo with minimums and exceptions. Then you got buyouts and stretched guys. Not saying it will happen, but it could be done
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2018, 03:45:07 PM
The Lakers traded Nance and Clarkson to the team Lebron is currently on, and they will likely lose Randle and maybe even Lopez, KCP and/or a few bench guys in the process to sign Lebron and George.

Yes, they have Ball, Ingram and Kuzma, but that still is quite a bit of inexperience and not a sure title contender for at least a few years. Playoff team? Absolutely. Contender? Well, unless they somehow add like 2 extremely good bench guys, I'm not seeing it in a loaded West.

Could add Wade and Carmelo with minimums and exceptions. Then you got buyouts and stretched guys. Not saying it will happen, but it could be done

Is adding Wade to a young team a positive? He caused problems in both Chicago and Cleveland.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Moranis on February 19, 2018, 03:54:08 PM
The Lakers traded Nance and Clarkson to the team Lebron is currently on, and they will likely lose Randle and maybe even Lopez, KCP and/or a few bench guys in the process to sign Lebron and George.

Yes, they have Ball, Ingram and Kuzma, but that still is quite a bit of inexperience and not a sure title contender for at least a few years. Playoff team? Absolutely. Contender? Well, unless they somehow add like 2 extremely good bench guys, I'm not seeing it in a loaded West.

Could add Wade and Carmelo with minimums and exceptions. Then you got buyouts and stretched guys. Not saying it will happen, but it could be done
I'm pretty sure Anthony picks up his option and Wade either retires or signs a 1 year non minimum contract in Miami
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: Phantom255x on February 19, 2018, 04:03:14 PM
The Lakers traded Nance and Clarkson to the team Lebron is currently on, and they will likely lose Randle and maybe even Lopez, KCP and/or a few bench guys in the process to sign Lebron and George.

Yes, they have Ball, Ingram and Kuzma, but that still is quite a bit of inexperience and not a sure title contender for at least a few years. Playoff team? Absolutely. Contender? Well, unless they somehow add like 2 extremely good bench guys, I'm not seeing it in a loaded West.

Could add Wade and Carmelo with minimums and exceptions. Then you got buyouts and stretched guys. Not saying it will happen, but it could be done

Is adding Wade to a young team a positive? He caused problems in both Chicago and Cleveland.

Yeah, and I think Wade is pretty much set at this point in staying in Miami. I mean, he went to CLE to play w/James again and it didn't seem to work. If he said what he did about staying in Miami and then goes to play for LAL less than a year later, it would also look bad for him.

And frankly, I don't see Carmelo playing in LAL for an exception (or less than 10M).

My main point in what I said was, that's a great team, but in terms of being a contender in the loaded West, they still are some years away. And having a deep bench can really help, as Houston, San Antonio, Toronto are showing us, but LAL wouldn't have any with all they may lose to even bring in Lebron + George.

It would be one thing if Kuzma, Ingram and Ball were maybe a few years older and grew into legitimate all-stars.
Title: Re: Ben Simmons alludes to recruiting lebron to 76ers
Post by: celticsclay on February 19, 2018, 04:09:46 PM
The Lakers traded Nance and Clarkson to the team Lebron is currently on, and they will likely lose Randle and maybe even Lopez, KCP and/or a few bench guys in the process to sign Lebron and George.

Yes, they have Ball, Ingram and Kuzma, but that still is quite a bit of inexperience and not a sure title contender for at least a few years. Playoff team? Absolutely. Contender? Well, unless they somehow add like 2 extremely good bench guys, I'm not seeing it in a loaded West.

Could add Wade and Carmelo with minimums and exceptions. Then you got buyouts and stretched guys. Not saying it will happen, but it could be done

Is adding Wade to a young team a positive? He caused problems in both Chicago and Cleveland.

Whether it is wade or Anthony or some other guys similar to David west, there are always players that come in for cheap for a chance to compete for a title/and play with Lebron. Maybe Lopez goes for the minimum. We saw young and casspi do this this offseason as ok bench player, rockets now have  nene, Gerald green, Joe Johnson and mbah a Moute in their rotation on cheap deals. With money especially tight this offseason their may be even more players signing for cheap short deals.