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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on February 14, 2018, 09:13:41 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/963953876549427200/video/1
Does this go back to rondos comments on IT ?
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Pretty funny that they probably ejected all because of Celtics drama, related to ITs video tribute that continues to create drama even though it never happened
Edit: I was right. Thomas said Rondo hit him in the face three times and brought up the video tribute the Celtics had planned for Thomas earlier this season, which became a source of controversy because Boston had planned it on the same day as Paul Pierce's jersey retirement ceremony.
"Whatever reason, he's an upset guy about me," Thomas said after Wednesday's game. "I don't know what it is, but it's fine. He kept bringing the tribute up when I was the one that shut the tribute down. I'm far past that. ... For me to be ejected was uncalled for."
Asked if he has had any other history with Rondo, Thomas said he didn't know.
"I mean, my team beat his team in the playoffs last year," Thomas sadi, referring to the Celtics beating the Chicago Bulls 4-2 in the first round last postseason. "Maybe that is what's wrong. I don't know. There's nothing. Nothing should've made that escalate like it did. He already had his agenda written down right when I checked into the game. It was obvious. He picked me up full court, trying to be physical.
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Rondo is such an ass lol
I love him
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Didn't see what Rondo was doing wrong as his hands were up the whole time but I'm guessing there was a lot of barking going on. Always loved Rondo's attitude before he decided not to play defense anymore. Glad to see he still has it
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Rondo over IT all day!
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Didn't see what Rondo was doing wrong as his hands were up the whole time but I'm guessing there was a lot of barking going on. Always loved Rondo's attitude before he decided not to play defense anymore. Glad to see he still has it
yeah based on the video that's a really really soft double ejection, but I imagine it was more of an accumulation thing.
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Didn't see what Rondo was doing wrong as his hands were up the whole time but I'm guessing there was a lot of barking going on. Always loved Rondo's attitude before he decided not to play defense anymore. Glad to see he still has it
yeah based on the video that's a really really soft double ejection, but I imagine it was more of an accumulation thing.
Or things being said. With the whole thing I think there may be things being said that are escalating things more than anything else.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
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Rondo over IT all day!
Amen. I love Rondo, god bless his mischievous soul
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That's hilarious.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
Don’t forget Rondo was going to knock us out of the playoffs last year. He is a championship point guard, if you replace last years IT with Rondo and we do not win banner 17.
IT is going through a tough time, and he was fun to watch/root for but for a deep playoff/championship run I take an inspired Rondo all day.
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NBA refs have lost control of the games. No consistency!
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Rondo over IT all day!
THIS!
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
IT Can't carry rondo or pierces jock strap, let alone reach it
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
I don't see any reason to diss IT either, but it's not clear he surpassed Rondo in any way by having a big offensive season and reaching the ECF.
Rondo made 4 consecutive All-Star teams, 4 All-Defense teams, led the league in assists 3 times, won a championship as the starting PG, and was a monster in the playoffs even out-dueling LeBron at times. You don't think he could have put up even bigger stats if he wasn't deferring to the Big 3 all the time on those championships runs? If he played in a era where Westbrook actually averaged a triple double and wasn't even the best player in the league?
IT played 2 years and was a top-5 scorer on an ECF team once. Last year was great, but it takes a short memory to say IT > Rondo without hesitation.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
I don't see any reason to diss IT either, but it's not clear he surpassed Rondo in any way by having a big offensive season and reaching the ECF.
Rondo made 4 consecutive All-Star teams, 4 All-Defense teams, led the league in assists 3 times, won a championship as the starting PG, and was a monster in the playoffs even out-dueling LeBron at times. You don't think he could have put up even bigger stats if he wasn't deferring to the Big 3 all the time on those championships runs? If he played in a era where Westbrook actually averaged a triple double and wasn't even the best player in the league?
IT played 2 years and was a top-5 scorer on an ECF team once. Last year was great, but it takes a short memory to say IT > Rondo without hesitation.
To be fair to Phantom, his profile indicates he’s 19, so he was 9-13 during the height of Rondo’s magnificence, and thus might not legitimately remember or be able to have the correct perspective.
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Didn't see what Rondo was doing wrong as his hands were up the whole time but I'm guessing there was a lot of barking going on. Always loved Rondo's attitude before he decided not to play defense anymore. Glad to see he still has it
yeah based on the video that's a really really soft double ejection, but I imagine it was more of an accumulation thing.
Or things being said. With the whole thing I think there may be things being said that are escalating things more than anything else.
What about things, too? Or like, other things?
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My speculation was right, they fought over the IT tribute video. Once a Celtic always a Celtic
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22445251/rajon-rondo-isaiah-thomas-luke-walton-all-ejected-new-orleans-pelicans-los-angeles-lakers-game
Thomas said Rondo hit him in the face three times and brought up the video tribute the Celtics had planned for Thomas earlier this season, which became a source of controversy because Boston had planned it on the same day as Paul Pierce's jersey retirement ceremony.
"Whatever reason, he's an upset guy about me," Thomas said after Wednesday's game. "I don't know what it is, but it's fine. He kept bringing the tribute up when I was the one that shut the tribute down. I'm far past that. ... For me to be ejected was uncalled for."
Asked if he has had any other history with Rondo, Thomas said he didn't know.
"I mean, my team beat his team in the playoffs last year," Thomas sadi, referring to the Celtics beating the Chicago Bulls 4-2 in the first round last postseason. "Maybe that is what's wrong. I don't know. There's nothing. Nothing should've made that escalate like it did. He already had his agenda written down right when I checked into the game. It was obvious. He picked me up full court, trying to be physical.
"I don't know what was going on with him. I don't know why I got thrown out. I don't want to comment too much on it. ... It was obvious what was going on. He was being too aggressive for whatever reason, and he also hit me in the face three times. At some point, as a human, if no one is going to protect me, I got to protect myself, and that is when I spoke up and got upset. I hope the NBA figures something out with that, because it was wrong for me to be ejected."
Rondo, who did not talk to the media after the game, questioned last month why the Celtics were going to give Thomas a video tribute on the same night as Pierce's jersey ceremony. Rondo played in Boston for eight-plus seasons, winning an NBA title in 2008, and was traded shortly before Thomas was acquired in a trade later in the 2014-15 season. Thomas played three seasons for the Celtics before he was traded to Cleveland before this season.
"What has he done?" Rondo said to the Worcester Telegram and Gazette in January. When told that Thomas led the Celtics to the Eastern Conference finals last season, Rondo said, "Oh, that's what we celebrate around here?"
"This is the Boston Celtics," Rondo said. "This isn't the Phoenix Suns. No disrespect to any other organization, but you don't hang conference titles. Do we hang going to the conference finals? What do we hang here?"
The two point guards got tangled up twice Wednesday, and officials had to separate them the second time. The two exchanged words, and Rondo got heated when the pair were ejected with 33.3 seconds left.
Thomas said he was surprised by Rondo's comments last month about the video tribute.
"I think a lot of people were [surprised]," Thomas said. "I think the world made it bigger than what it was. Everybody who's been on a team for a while has gotten a video tribute. Patrick Beverley got one in Houston. Chris Paul got one with the Clippers. It's like, they didn't win no championship but it's just the respect thing.
"[Rondo] said what he said, I laughed it off," Thomas continued. "It was what it was. I'm the one that stopped the video tribute from happening because I wanted Paul Pierce to have his full night. I didn't want to take nothing from him. I know he played on Paul Pierce's team. He's gonna always have Paul Pierce's back, which is fine. I didn't lose sleep over it. It was obvious [that it] continued to be brought up with what happened tonight."
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My speculation was right, they fought over the IT tribute video. Once a Celtic always a Celtic
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22445251/rajon-rondo-isaiah-thomas-luke-walton-all-ejected-new-orleans-pelicans-los-angeles-lakers-game
Thomas said Rondo hit him in the face three times and brought up the video tribute the Celtics had planned for Thomas earlier this season, which became a source of controversy because Boston had planned it on the same day as Paul Pierce's jersey retirement ceremony.
"Whatever reason, he's an upset guy about me," Thomas said after Wednesday's game. "I don't know what it is, but it's fine. He kept bringing the tribute up when I was the one that shut the tribute down. I'm far past that. ... For me to be ejected was uncalled for."
Asked if he has had any other history with Rondo, Thomas said he didn't know.
"I mean, my team beat his team in the playoffs last year," Thomas sadi, referring to the Celtics beating the Chicago Bulls 4-2 in the first round last postseason. "Maybe that is what's wrong. I don't know. There's nothing. Nothing should've made that escalate like it did. He already had his agenda written down right when I checked into the game. It was obvious. He picked me up full court, trying to be physical.
"I don't know what was going on with him. I don't know why I got thrown out. I don't want to comment too much on it. ... It was obvious what was going on. He was being too aggressive for whatever reason, and he also hit me in the face three times. At some point, as a human, if no one is going to protect me, I got to protect myself, and that is when I spoke up and got upset. I hope the NBA figures something out with that, because it was wrong for me to be ejected."
Rondo, who did not talk to the media after the game, questioned last month why the Celtics were going to give Thomas a video tribute on the same night as Pierce's jersey ceremony. Rondo played in Boston for eight-plus seasons, winning an NBA title in 2008, and was traded shortly before Thomas was acquired in a trade later in the 2014-15 season. Thomas played three seasons for the Celtics before he was traded to Cleveland before this season.
"What has he done?" Rondo said to the Worcester Telegram and Gazette in January. When told that Thomas led the Celtics to the Eastern Conference finals last season, Rondo said, "Oh, that's what we celebrate around here?"
"This is the Boston Celtics," Rondo said. "This isn't the Phoenix Suns. No disrespect to any other organization, but you don't hang conference titles. Do we hang going to the conference finals? What do we hang here?"
The two point guards got tangled up twice Wednesday, and officials had to separate them the second time. The two exchanged words, and Rondo got heated when the pair were ejected with 33.3 seconds left.
Thomas said he was surprised by Rondo's comments last month about the video tribute.
"I think a lot of people were [surprised]," Thomas said. "I think the world made it bigger than what it was. Everybody who's been on a team for a while has gotten a video tribute. Patrick Beverley got one in Houston. Chris Paul got one with the Clippers. It's like, they didn't win no championship but it's just the respect thing.
"[Rondo] said what he said, I laughed it off," Thomas continued. "It was what it was. I'm the one that stopped the video tribute from happening because I wanted Paul Pierce to have his full night. I didn't want to take nothing from him. I know he played on Paul Pierce's team. He's gonna always have Paul Pierce's back, which is fine. I didn't lose sleep over it. It was obvious [that it] continued to be brought up with what happened tonight."
“Hit me in the face three times” that is so untrue lol, what is he on about.
IT is coming off as pretty ridiculous. Rondo led Chicago to beating us twice, and then went down. You think he’d realise that.
Rondo clearly got under IT’s skin with the comments, and it’s beautiful
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I don't know who to side with...IT7 and his annoying brags about brinks trucks and video tributes and stuff, or Rondo who clearly has a good history of disliking players who formerly played for the Celtics (Ray Allen, and now IT7 although two completely different squads).
This is pretty funny.
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I don't know who to side with...IT7 and his annoying brags about brinks trucks and video tributes and stuff, or Rondo who clearly has a good history of disliking players who formerly played for the Celtics (Ray Allen, and now IT7 although two completely different squads).
This is pretty funny.
I’m siding with Rondo on this one. He’s still a Celtic:
"What has he done?" Rondo said to the Worcester Telegram and Gazette in January. When told that Thomas led the Celtics to the Eastern Conference finals last season, Rondo said, "Oh, that's what we celebrate around here?"
"This is the Boston Celtics," Rondo said. "This isn't the Phoenix Suns. No disrespect to any other organization, but you don't hang conference titles. Do we hang going to the conference finals? What do we hang here?"
I hope he comes back someday soon.
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I don't know who to side with...IT7 and his annoying brags about brinks trucks and video tributes and stuff, or Rondo who clearly has a good history of disliking players who formerly played for the Celtics (Ray Allen, and now IT7 although two completely different squads).
This is pretty funny.
I’m siding with Rondo on this one. He’s still a Celtic:
"What has he done?" Rondo said to the Worcester Telegram and Gazette in January. When told that Thomas led the Celtics to the Eastern Conference finals last season, Rondo said, "Oh, that's what we celebrate around here?"
"This is the Boston Celtics," Rondo said. "This isn't the Phoenix Suns. No disrespect to any other organization, but you don't hang conference titles. Do we hang going to the conference finals? What do we hang here?"
I hope he comes back someday soon.
Yeah, I gotta side with Rondo as well. He was traded away years ago (not the greatest years for him as well), and he still uses the 'we' pronoun when talking about the celtics. Well that is all you need to know...it didn't look like form the video that anyone hit anyone else in the head.
IT gotta be mentally tougher than that though, cmon you can't let a few comments like that get under your skin.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
I don't see any reason to diss IT either, but it's not clear he surpassed Rondo in any way by having a big offensive season and reaching the ECF.
Rondo made 4 consecutive All-Star teams, 4 All-Defense teams, led the league in assists 3 times, won a championship as the starting PG, and was a monster in the playoffs even out-dueling LeBron at times. You don't think he could have put up even bigger stats if he wasn't deferring to the Big 3 all the time on those championships runs? If he played in a era where Westbrook actually averaged a triple double and wasn't even the best player in the league?
IT played 2 years and was a top-5 scorer on an ECF team once. Last year was great, but it takes a short memory to say IT > Rondo without hesitation.
To be fair to Phantom, his profile indicates he’s 19, so he was 9-13 during the height of Rondo’s magnificence, and thus might not legitimately remember or be able to have the correct perspective.
I'm in my mid teens and I think Rondo had a better career than IT so go figure, it's not all about age.
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I don't know who to side with...IT7 and his annoying brags about brinks trucks and video tributes and stuff, or Rondo who clearly has a good history of disliking players who formerly played for the Celtics (Ray Allen, and now IT7 although two completely different squads).
This is pretty funny.
I’m siding with Rondo on this one. He’s still a Celtic:
"What has he done?" Rondo said to the Worcester Telegram and Gazette in January. When told that Thomas led the Celtics to the Eastern Conference finals last season, Rondo said, "Oh, that's what we celebrate around here?"
"This is the Boston Celtics," Rondo said. "This isn't the Phoenix Suns. No disrespect to any other organization, but you don't hang conference titles. Do we hang going to the conference finals? What do we hang here?"
I hope he comes back someday soon.
Yeah, I gotta side with Rondo as well. He was traded away years ago (not the greatest years for him as well), and he still uses the 'we' pronoun when talking about the celtics. Well that is all you need to know...it didn't look like form the video that anyone hit anyone else in the head.
IT gotta be mentally tougher than that though, cmon you can't let a few comments like that get under your skin.
That's true. The brotherhood is strong within Rondo, KG, and PP34. Always got their backs. IT7 did not deserve a video tribute IMO, and him being traded to the Lakers just made him look like a journeyman lol.
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As an avid Rondo supporter he needs to check himself, here.
Last time I checked I was vehemently defending his "Lack of Defense" comments right before Danny shipped him out of here to DAL.
I was defending his behavior in DAL - that gave Rick Carlylse headaches.
Rondo had every opportunity - with his talent level - to lead this BOS Celtics team to "An Eastern Conference Title". He didn't.
For him to riff on IT like this is childish and petty.
As much as I love Rajon Rondo he needs to be better than this.
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Even MORE hypocritical is some of the folks on here HATING Rondo but NOW loving him because he's going after IT.
It IS true - Sports Fandom is RARELY rational. So true.
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His season was arguably the best of any Celtic since Bird. Not Rondo, not KG, maybe not even Pierce put up that type of season in green. He didn’t have a better Celtics career than any of those guys, but he was stellar last season.
They led the EC, winning 53 games and had no second scoring option. Clearly the second best team in the East.
You think Rondo could do that? I appreciate Rondo, having watched about 98% of his games in a Celtics uniform. He still bleeds green (despite not looking that way his last season and a half with us). But what’s his issue here? Was he worried IT would get a better reception/tribute than he did? IT gave us everything he had, physically and emotionally. Nobody can ever say that about Rondo. He dogged it more often than not. This literally has nothing to do with him and he went in for no apparent reason.
I get Pierce’s stance, it really didn’t feel personal. He just wanted his day to himself. And I can say I definitely preferred seeing all the Pierce tributes during timeouts than I would IT’s video. Wrong day for it, plain and simple.
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It's amazing how fans are still rooting for IT to fail on here. Talk about beating a man while he is down. We can all agree that he has been immature since the trade but Rondo was the clear instigator with all of the comments about the tribute. All of a sudden Rondo is the "hero" because fans are enjoying IT's struggles. Did Rondo "bleed green" when he refused to play defense after the big three era? The more likely answer is that hindsight is making him finally appreciate his time in Boston.
The irony is that IT made much more of an effort to express appreciation to the fan base than Rondo ever did. For the record I do not dislike Rondo. Everyone is different. I don't even really care about the trash talk from last night. It's just funny how his flaws get thrown out the window when he targets IT.
I've always maintained the position that IT's contributions during last season far outweigh any of the bickering that has happened since the trade. No doubt he's sensitive but I can appreciate the fact that he truly cared about being a Celtic. People completely disregard the human element of this. The guy lost his sister, played through an injury that cost him a ton of money, and got traded away from the one organization that felt like home.
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Rondo: You little...how dare you dare you think you can invade Paul Pierce night
IT: I backed down...it never happened! Stop hitting my face
Rondo: how dare you...
;D ;D
Honestly what the heck is going on... Two former Celts fighting like this
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It's amazing how fans are still rooting for IT to fail on here
I am not rooting for IT to fail but there are few teams I despise, the Cavs are one and the Lakers are yet another. I don't think I could ever root for either of these teams.
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It's amazing how fans are still rooting for IT to fail on here
I am not rooting for IT to fail but there are few teams I despise, the Cavs are one and the Lakers are yet another. I don't think I could ever root for either of these teams.
I don't mean wins and losses. There's a general vibe that people seem to enjoy watching IT struggle. I'm not including you in this group lol.
I appreciate IT's contributions during his tenure and I want him to figure things in the long run.
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His season was arguably the best of any Celtic since Bird. Not Rondo, not KG, maybe not even Pierce put up that type of season in green. He didn’t have a better Celtics career than any of those guys, but he was stellar last season.
They led the EC, winning 53 games and had no second scoring option. Clearly the second best team in the East.
You think Rondo could do that? I appreciate Rondo, having watched about 98% of his games in a Celtics uniform. He still bleeds green (despite not looking that way his last season and a half with us). But what’s his issue here? Was he worried IT would get a better reception/tribute than he did? IT gave us everything he had, physically and emotionally. Nobody can ever say that about Rondo. He dogged it more often than not. This literally has nothing to do with him and he went in for no apparent reason.
I get Pierce’s stance, it really didn’t feel personal. He just wanted his day to himself. And I can say I definitely preferred seeing all the Pierce tributes during timeouts than I would IT’s video. Wrong day for it, plain and simple.
I'm no psychologist but I would guess that this goes back to Rondo's loyalty to Pierce and the fact that he got hurt last year during the playoffs. He's known as a headstrong, fierce competitor who is extremely loyal. You can look up his Instagram post about "his veterans" from last year, and point to his showing up for Pierce's jersey ceremony if you have any questions about how he feels about Paul.
Hearing his comments about Isaiah's video tribute, it was clear he was personally offended that IT would request the video be played on Pierce's night. Combined with some lingering distaste over the way that the playoffs ended last year, he was ready to blow.
He definitely took it too far, because he's Rondo, and that's his fatal flaw, but I'll be darned if that wasn't really funny to watch (only because no one was actually hurt).
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I don't know who to side with...IT7 and his annoying brags about brinks trucks and video tributes and stuff, or Rondo who clearly has a good history of disliking players who formerly played for the Celtics (Ray Allen, and now IT7 although two completely different squads).
This is pretty funny.
I’m siding with Rondo on this one. He’s still a Celtic:
"What has he done?" Rondo said to the Worcester Telegram and Gazette in January. When told that Thomas led the Celtics to the Eastern Conference finals last season, Rondo said, "Oh, that's what we celebrate around here?"
"This is the Boston Celtics," Rondo said. "This isn't the Phoenix Suns. No disrespect to any other organization, but you don't hang conference titles. Do we hang going to the conference finals? What do we hang here?"
I hope he comes back someday soon.
We miss the lazy effort, skipping games, stats chasing and underminining coaches that much?
Rondo quit on the Celtics.
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Rondo acts like he didn't ride the coat tails of 3 hall of famers to get his ring...IT4 lead the celtics to the conference finals with Avery Bradley as the 3rd best player on his team..something Rondo could never do.
I'm sorry but IT4 is a celtics legend and what he did to help this franchise will not soon be forgotten. Don't know why Rondo feels the need to be a pompous turd and try to minimize IT4's accomplishments.
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It says a lot about the Celtics franchise that two recent ex-point guards have beef over who had a better Celtics career. They are both more than one team removed from the Celtics now, but are still fighting over that one special team they played for at different times. Doesn't seem like either cares which one endeared themselves more to Kings fans.
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I’m just happy the Lakers are losing again.
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Somewhere BBallTim is smiling....
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Kind of a high school girl hallway dustup.
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Didn't see what Rondo was doing wrong as his hands were up the whole time but I'm guessing there was a lot of barking going on. Always loved Rondo's attitude before he decided not to play defense anymore. Glad to see he still has it
Agreed. In the video I did not see him hit IT in the face and it seemed he was playing very aggressive D. Thomas initiated some of the contact by going into Rondo but I did not see anything dirty there. I love how Rondo is so loyal to KG, Pierce etc. Rondo still can play lock down D when he feels like it. If he has motivation look out. The playoffs showed that.
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We miss the lazy effort, skipping games, stats chasing and underminining coaches that much?
Nah, we still have tons of that on our current roster as is.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
I don't see any reason to diss IT either, but it's not clear he surpassed Rondo in any way by having a big offensive season and reaching the ECF.
Rondo made 4 consecutive All-Star teams, 4 All-Defense teams, led the league in assists 3 times, won a championship as the starting PG, and was a monster in the playoffs even out-dueling LeBron at times. You don't think he could have put up even bigger stats if he wasn't deferring to the Big 3 all the time on those championships runs? If he played in a era where Westbrook actually averaged a triple double and wasn't even the best player in the league?
IT played 2 years and was a top-5 scorer on an ECF team once. Last year was great, but it takes a short memory to say IT > Rondo without hesitation.
To be fair to Phantom, his profile indicates he’s 19, so he was 9-13 during the height of Rondo’s magnificence, and thus might not legitimately remember or be able to have the correct perspective.
Lol maybe that could be it :P
But I wonder what could have been for Isaiah if he had a Big 3-like nucleus around him as well. I mean last year he had to do it alone with no other true scoring threats.
Kyrie is slightly better but you see now we're still losing games despite big games from him because of that lack of another consistent scoring threat (like Hayward).
As for Rondo, I loved him, and still have his jersey to this day haha. In my entire life I've gotten four jerseys/shirts (Rondo, Pierce, Turner, Isaiah). The last two got traded or signed elsewhere Less than 6 months later :P
Rondo I got in 2009 and he stayed for a while. Same with Pierce (got his in 2007) 8)
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We miss the lazy effort, skipping games, stats chasing and underminining coaches that much?
Rondo quit on the Celtics.
I like to view it differently, though I certainly see how you might have this perspective. The notable events that precipitated Rondo's less than stellar performance:
Rondo tore his ACL
Billy King threw the kitchen sink at Danny at the draft
The 50 or so games Rondo played for us, post big-3 era, aren't his finest. No question about that. I don't think it's fair to say he quit though. He was rehabbing and playing on a rebuilding team after having pretty much constant success for his whole career before that. All the while a new coach, new system, and new players were ushering in a rebuild. Even during that he played the part of a good veteran presence and leader until we moved him to Dallas.
He definitely wasn't the same guy post-injury, but I don't think 'quit' really applies to him. He just knew the score, post-trade. Rondo is a smart dude.
I love that he called out the Suns specifically. They weren't the team that traded his draft rights or anything :)
I hope he comes back someday soon.
This is my stance on Rondo exactly.
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They're both upset they're not still Celtics. 8)
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It says a lot about the Celtics franchise that two recent ex-point guards have beef over who had a better Celtics career. They are both more than one team removed from the Celtics now, but are still fighting over that one special team they played for at different times. Doesn't seem like either cares which one endeared themselves more to Kings fans.
Could not have said it better myself. This is why we love the Green and White.
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His season was arguably the best of any Celtic since Bird. Not Rondo, not KG, maybe not even Pierce put up that type of season in green. He didn’t have a better Celtics career than any of those guys, but he was stellar last season.
They led the EC, winning 53 games and had no second scoring option. Clearly the second best team in the East.
You think Rondo could do that? I appreciate Rondo, having watched about 98% of his games in a Celtics uniform. He still bleeds green (despite not looking that way his last season and a half with us). But what’s his issue here? Was he worried IT would get a better reception/tribute than he did? IT gave us everything he had, physically and emotionally. Nobody can ever say that about Rondo. He dogged it more often than not. This literally has nothing to do with him and he went in for no apparent reason.
I get Pierce’s stance, it really didn’t feel personal. He just wanted his day to himself. And I can say I definitely preferred seeing all the Pierce tributes during timeouts than I would IT’s video. Wrong day for it, plain and simple.
Best half season. The offensive half.
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I cannot believe people are seriously undermining Rondo or Isaiah. I love what both players brought to our team respectively. Rondo was the conventional last piece of our Big 3, (aside from AB,) and Isaiah put his whole heart and soul into this team.
Since when did we have to take sides on who is wrong, and who is right in situations like this?
Also I wouldn't mind taking both back, although I know it would never happen. I think both players have similar interests at heart, or perceived notions that delegate what their true intentions are during that scuffle. You see Rondo butting heads because he believes Isaiah purposely had an hidden agenda against Pierce. Isaiah believes Rondo is being childish or overreacting by getting some quick ones in Isaiah. (Note the few elbows that Rondo threw during the Pelicans vs Lakers game.) But regardless, I love that they both weren't willing to roll over, and were both perfectly content with getting back at each other. It's the moxy that we as Celtic fans fell in love with. I think Rondo must've at least been initiating at least partially most of it. Isaiah chose to respond instead of ignoring it, and that resulted in the ensuing ejections for both parties.
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IT was a punk for trying to upstage PP, then he said he's the one that shut it down. Rondo put him in his place. End of story
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I have to say I have never gone from just liking a former Celtic to absolutely disliking the guy the way I have IT. I am so tired of the [dang] videos. Im so tired of him bringing up stuff and then saying its the press bringing it up. Im tired of him Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing about the Celtics or Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing about how other teams need to play in relation to how he played here.
Im so glad the Cavs traded him so that he wouldnt even be in the house on Sunday.
He milks the Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. out of the stuff that happened in the playoffs. I get so [dang] tired of it. Last years team was like the 01-02 team except that team at least had a guy who I thought could lead you somewhere unlike IT.
I dont care how petty it might have been on Rondo's part because Im so tired of IT talking all the time like he was great for more than a cup of coffee.
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I like both Rondo and IT, Rondo more. Just loved his game when he was engaged for those 6 years or so. He effected a game without scoring more than any player I had ever seen.
IT was just amazing and had a heart bigger than his body. Last year was a thing to behold. Would have had no problem with Danny backing up the Brink's truck for him if he remained healthy. A healthy IT with a healthy Hayward, Horford, Brown and Tatum would have been awesome.
But they aren't Celtics anymore so I really don't care what they do anymore. But in this instance, Rondo didn't look like he was doing anything physically wrong and was just talking trash. IT should have just talked crap back and gone on with the game. Their both idiots for letting this get to them and hurt their teams by getting tossed.
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To me the main story here is how the ref made it about himself. There is NOTHING that went on that merited double ejections. That's going to cost me big-time in my fantasy league playoffs. I needed ITs FTs.
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I like both Rondo and IT, Rondo more. Just loved his game when he was engaged for those 6 years or so. He effected a game without scoring more than any player I had ever seen.
IT was just amazing and had a heart bigger than his body. Last year was a thing to behold. Would have had no problem with Danny backing up the Brink's truck for him if he remained healthy. A healthy IT with a healthy Hayward, Horford, Brown and Tatum would have been awesome.
But they aren't Celtics anymore so I really don't care what they do anymore. But in this instance, Rondo didn't look like he was doing anything physically wrong and was just talking trash. IT should have just talked crap back and gone on with the game. Their both idiots for letting this get to them and hurt their teams by getting tossed.
Rondo definitely took some cheap shots at Isaiah, and elbowed him a few times in the face after he put his hands up. There was one instance where Isaiah was headed to the half court, and Rondo sort of side swiped him in the face, and Isaiah was looking at the ref who was several feet away, but didn't get a single call.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
I don't see any reason to diss IT either, but it's not clear he surpassed Rondo in any way by having a big offensive season and reaching the ECF.
Rondo made 4 consecutive All-Star teams, 4 All-Defense teams, led the league in assists 3 times, won a championship as the starting PG, and was a monster in the playoffs even out-dueling LeBron at times. You don't think he could have put up even bigger stats if he wasn't deferring to the Big 3 all the time on those championships runs? If he played in a era where Westbrook actually averaged a triple double and wasn't even the best player in the league?
IT played 2 years and was a top-5 scorer on an ECF team once. Last year was great, but it takes a short memory to say IT > Rondo without hesitation.
To be fair to Phantom, his profile indicates he’s 19, so he was 9-13 during the height of Rondo’s magnificence, and thus might not legitimately remember or be able to have the correct perspective.
I'm in my mid teens and I think Rondo had a better career than IT so go figure, it's not all about age.
Some guys use age as if its a trophy or evidence of some battle won. Bias is prevalent regardless of age. Just ask my uncle who thinks Larry Bird is the best basketball player ever. Everyone who types here has access to google, and the ability to research/formulate opinions on players that they never watched. There's enough youtube material out there on IT and Rondo.
To compare the two, I think you start with time spent in Boston: Rondo was here for ~6 years of basketball (he missed a ton of games near the end), while IT was only here for 2 years. I think it is fair to say that the Boston fans liked IT more than any player who only was here for 2 years.
Rondo never scored like Thomas. Thomas never made passes or played D like Rondo. Completely different point guards. If it weren't for massive egos, they may have been pretty good on the same team (just don't tell IT that he has to come off the bench).
I will remember both as top 5 Celtics point guards with Cousy, Tiny, and DJ. I think IT likely gets pushed out with a couple of solid years from Kyrie.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
I don't see any reason to diss IT either, but it's not clear he surpassed Rondo in any way by having a big offensive season and reaching the ECF.
Rondo made 4 consecutive All-Star teams, 4 All-Defense teams, led the league in assists 3 times, won a championship as the starting PG, and was a monster in the playoffs even out-dueling LeBron at times. You don't think he could have put up even bigger stats if he wasn't deferring to the Big 3 all the time on those championships runs? If he played in a era where Westbrook actually averaged a triple double and wasn't even the best player in the league?
IT played 2 years and was a top-5 scorer on an ECF team once. Last year was great, but it takes a short memory to say IT > Rondo without hesitation.
To be fair to Phantom, his profile indicates he’s 19, so he was 9-13 during the height of Rondo’s magnificence, and thus might not legitimately remember or be able to have the correct perspective.
I'm in my mid teens and I think Rondo had a better career than IT so go figure, it's not all about age.
Some guys use age as if its a trophy or evidence of some battle won. Bias is prevalent regardless of age. Just ask my uncle who thinks Larry Bird is the best basketball player ever. Everyone who types here has access to google, and the ability to research/formulate opinions on players that they never watched. There's enough youtube material out there on IT and Rondo.
To compare the two, I think you start with time spent in Boston: Rondo was here for ~6 years of basketball (he missed a ton of games near the end), while IT was only here for 2 years. I think it is fair to say that the Boston fans liked IT more than any player who only was here for 2 years.
Rondo never scored like Thomas. Thomas never made passes or played D like Rondo. Completely different point guards. If it weren't for massive egos, they may have been pretty good on the same team (just don't tell IT that he has to come off the bench).
I will remember both as top 5 Celtics point guards with Cousy, Tiny, and DJ. I think IT likely gets pushed out with a couple of solid years from Kyrie.
lets not forget jojo
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I have to say I have never gone from just liking a former Celtic to absolutely disliking the guy the way I have IT. I am so tired of the [dang] videos. Im so tired of him bringing up stuff and then saying its the press bringing it up. Im tired of him ****ing about the Celtics or ****ing about how other teams need to play in relation to how he played here.
Im so glad the Cavs traded him so that he wouldnt even be in the house on Sunday.
He milks the **** out of the stuff that happened in the playoffs. I get so [dang] tired of it. Last years team was like the 01-02 team except that team at least had a guy who I thought could lead you somewhere unlike IT.
I dont care how petty it might have been on Rondo's part because Im so tired of IT talking all the time like he was great for more than a cup of coffee.
You're entitled to your (very inaccurate) opinion. But this 1 post has 5 violations in it, and I'm routinely banned for a lot less.
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I just dont feel the IT love. If he wouldnt have cried every other week about the trade I would have been fine but this guy acted like he was the Greatest thing to ever happen to the Cs since Bird and Im so tired of that crap.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
I don't see any reason to diss IT either, but it's not clear he surpassed Rondo in any way by having a big offensive season and reaching the ECF.
Rondo made 4 consecutive All-Star teams, 4 All-Defense teams, led the league in assists 3 times, won a championship as the starting PG, and was a monster in the playoffs even out-dueling LeBron at times. You don't think he could have put up even bigger stats if he wasn't deferring to the Big 3 all the time on those championships runs? If he played in a era where Westbrook actually averaged a triple double and wasn't even the best player in the league?
IT played 2 years and was a top-5 scorer on an ECF team once. Last year was great, but it takes a short memory to say IT > Rondo without hesitation.
To be fair to Phantom, his profile indicates he’s 19, so he was 9-13 during the height of Rondo’s magnificence, and thus might not legitimately remember or be able to have the correct perspective.
I'm in my mid teens and I think Rondo had a better career than IT so go figure, it's not all about age.
Some guys use age as if its a trophy or evidence of some battle won. Bias is prevalent regardless of age. Just ask my uncle who thinks Larry Bird is the best basketball player ever. Everyone who types here has access to google, and the ability to research/formulate opinions on players that they never watched. There's enough youtube material out there on IT and Rondo.
To compare the two, I think you start with time spent in Boston: Rondo was here for ~6 years of basketball (he missed a ton of games near the end), while IT was only here for 2 years. I think it is fair to say that the Boston fans liked IT more than any player who only was here for 2 years.
Rondo never scored like Thomas. Thomas never made passes or played D like Rondo. Completely different point guards. If it weren't for massive egos, they may have been pretty good on the same team (just don't tell IT that he has to come off the bench).
I will remember both as top 5 Celtics point guards with Cousy, Tiny, and DJ. I think IT likely gets pushed out with a couple of solid years from Kyrie.
Watching some youtubes on a player is completely different than watching that player for 100 games a year for 6 years. I watched whole seasons of Hondo in the 70's and think he is definitely the 3rd best Celtic of all time. I highly doubt most teenagers have the depth of knowledge about just how good Hondo was from seeing a youtube or two so would never come to that conclusion.
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I have to say I have never gone from just liking a former Celtic to absolutely disliking the guy the way I have IT. I am so tired of the [dang] videos. Im so tired of him bringing up stuff and then saying its the press bringing it up. Im tired of him ****ing about the Celtics or ****ing about how other teams need to play in relation to how he played here.
Im so glad the Cavs traded him so that he wouldnt even be in the house on Sunday.
He milks the **** out of the stuff that happened in the playoffs. I get so [dang] tired of it. Last years team was like the 01-02 team except that team at least had a guy who I thought could lead you somewhere unlike IT.
I dont care how petty it might have been on Rondo's part because Im so tired of IT talking all the time like he was great for more than a cup of coffee.
You're entitled to your (very inaccurate) opinion. But this 1 post has 5 violations in it, and I'm routinely banned for a lot less.
So what is inaccurate. Point it out. Have he produced videos about the trade on multiple occasions? Did he blast the organization? Yes. Did those videos prompt more questions from the media? Yes. Did he talk about the Celtics on a few occasions when he was with the Cavs? Yes. Half the crap that is said in his defense is about stuff that happened in the playoffs.
Lastly, what was different from last years team and the 01-02 team. They both went to the Conference Finals with not great teams. Are you claiming IT is close to Pierce? There is no way I would even consider IT in the same league as Pierce in terms of carrying a team.
So PLEASE point out where Im wrong.
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IT is going to down as a fluke in the history of the team. Like Blount having 20/20 games.
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I like both Rondo and IT, Rondo more. Just loved his game when he was engaged for those 6 years or so. He effected a game without scoring more than any player I had ever seen.
IT was just amazing and had a heart bigger than his body. Last year was a thing to behold. Would have had no problem with Danny backing up the Brink's truck for him if he remained healthy. A healthy IT with a healthy Hayward, Horford, Brown and Tatum would have been awesome.
But they aren't Celtics anymore so I really don't care what they do anymore. But in this instance, Rondo didn't look like he was doing anything physically wrong and was just talking trash. IT should have just talked crap back and gone on with the game. Their both idiots for letting this get to them and hurt their teams by getting tossed.
Rondo definitely took some cheap shots at Isaiah, and elbowed him a few times in the face after he put his hands up. There was one instance where Isaiah was headed to the half court, and Rondo sort of side swiped him in the face, and Isaiah was looking at the ref who was several feet away, but didn't get a single call.
Yes, Rondo hit Thomas rather blatantly in the head early on. Then twice again right before the ejection, he hit him "passively" by having his arms up and his elbows forward as he kept moving aggressively into Thomas in order to 'defend' him.
Rondo was flagged for a flagrant one and then a technical, at which point he was ejected.
Thomas was flagged for a technical -- which probably will get rescinded -- and ejected.
Luke Walton was right to be p---ed off that Thomas got ejected as well. Very poorly handled by the officials. As per usual.
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I love Rondo and miss him, but come on, IT last year single handedly led the team to the ECF and had MVP numbers (29/6). Rondo couldn't do that and ultimately stopped playing defense post the Big 3-Era, when it was essentially his team.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't think Isaiah deserves all the "dissing" he's getting from former Celtics players and the media.
And yeah, it's old news, but I still can't believe Pierce acted so insecure about Isaiah potentially having some 2-3 minute tribute video on his retirement day.
Wow, can't disagree with this post more than I could express.
So I'll keep it short.
Rondo destroyed IT in the Bulls-Celtics Matchup. In fact, Rondo destroyed Brad Stevens gameplan and the rest of the Celtics. We avoided being swept soley due to his injury.
When in the history in the NBA has a player who played for 3 seasons for a team, been traded get to call his video tribute date? And on the same day as a player who is having a number hoisted to the banners.
Pierce should have called IT and spoken to him behind the scenes. That's all.
Rondo and IT both contribute wherever they are.
Let players scrap a bit. Love the fact that they are competitive.
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IT is going to down as a fluke in the history of the team. Like Blount having 20/20 games.
Yeah played two full seasons, made all-star team both times, made playoffs both times is definitely on par with a couple 20/20 games.
The unbridled (and unwarranted) hate for IT has really caused people to stop using their brain here.
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IT is going to down as a fluke in the history of the team. Like Blount having 20/20 games.
Yeah played two full seasons, made all-star team both times, made playoffs both times is definitely on par with a couple 20/20 games.
The unbridled (and unwarranted) hate for IT has really caused people to stop using their brain here.
His elite season last year, in all likelihood WAS a fluke. It was a great season, and IT is a really really good scorer, but I dont think what he did last year was repeatable.
Unfortunately for IT, he neither won enough nor played here long enough to have his name really stick.
Time will tell.
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I have to say I have never gone from just liking a former Celtic to absolutely disliking the guy the way I have IT. I am so tired of the [dang] videos. Im so tired of him bringing up stuff and then saying its the press bringing it up. Im tired of him ****ing about the Celtics or ****ing about how other teams need to play in relation to how he played here.
Im so glad the Cavs traded him so that he wouldnt even be in the house on Sunday.
He milks the **** out of the stuff that happened in the playoffs. I get so [dang] tired of it. Last years team was like the 01-02 team except that team at least had a guy who I thought could lead you somewhere unlike IT.
I dont care how petty it might have been on Rondo's part because Im so tired of IT talking all the time like he was great for more than a cup of coffee.
You're entitled to your (very inaccurate) opinion. But this 1 post has 5 violations in it, and I'm routinely banned for a lot less.
So what is inaccurate. Point it out. Have he produced videos about the trade on multiple occasions? Did he blast the organization? Yes. Did those videos prompt more questions from the media? Yes. Did he talk about the Celtics on a few occasions when he was with the Cavs? Yes. Half the crap that is said in his defense is about stuff that happened in the playoffs.
Lastly, what was different from last years team and the 01-02 team. They both went to the Conference Finals with not great teams. Are you claiming IT is close to Pierce? There is no way I would even consider IT in the same league as Pierce in terms of carrying a team.
So PLEASE point out where Im wrong.
When you say he milks the stuff that happened in the playoffs, what are you referring to?
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I have to say I have never gone from just liking a former Celtic to absolutely disliking the guy the way I have IT. I am so tired of the [dang] videos. Im so tired of him bringing up stuff and then saying its the press bringing it up. Im tired of him ****ing about the Celtics or ****ing about how other teams need to play in relation to how he played here.
Im so glad the Cavs traded him so that he wouldnt even be in the house on Sunday.
He milks the **** out of the stuff that happened in the playoffs. I get so [dang] tired of it. Last years team was like the 01-02 team except that team at least had a guy who I thought could lead you somewhere unlike IT.
I dont care how petty it might have been on Rondo's part because Im so tired of IT talking all the time like he was great for more than a cup of coffee.
You're entitled to your (very inaccurate) opinion. But this 1 post has 5 violations in it, and I'm routinely banned for a lot less.
So what is inaccurate. Point it out. Have he produced videos about the trade on multiple occasions? Did he blast the organization? Yes. Did those videos prompt more questions from the media? Yes. Did he talk about the Celtics on a few occasions when he was with the Cavs? Yes. Half the crap that is said in his defense is about stuff that happened in the playoffs.
Lastly, what was different from last years team and the 01-02 team. They both went to the Conference Finals with not great teams. Are you claiming IT is close to Pierce? There is no way I would even consider IT in the same league as Pierce in terms of carrying a team.
So PLEASE point out where Im wrong.
One thing he’s right about is the quality of the post. Please clean it up going forward. There’s no need for profanity.
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I have to say I have never gone from just liking a former Celtic to absolutely disliking the guy the way I have IT. I am so tired of the [dang] videos. Im so tired of him bringing up stuff and then saying its the press bringing it up. Im tired of him ****ing about the Celtics or ****ing about how other teams need to play in relation to how he played here.
Im so glad the Cavs traded him so that he wouldnt even be in the house on Sunday.
He milks the **** out of the stuff that happened in the playoffs. I get so [dang] tired of it. Last years team was like the 01-02 team except that team at least had a guy who I thought could lead you somewhere unlike IT.
I dont care how petty it might have been on Rondo's part because Im so tired of IT talking all the time like he was great for more than a cup of coffee.
You're entitled to your (very inaccurate) opinion. But this 1 post has 5 violations in it, and I'm routinely banned for a lot less.
So what is inaccurate. Point it out. Have he produced videos about the trade on multiple occasions? Did he blast the organization? Yes. Did those videos prompt more questions from the media? Yes. Did he talk about the Celtics on a few occasions when he was with the Cavs? Yes. Half the crap that is said in his defense is about stuff that happened in the playoffs.
Lastly, what was different from last years team and the 01-02 team. They both went to the Conference Finals with not great teams. Are you claiming IT is close to Pierce? There is no way I would even consider IT in the same league as Pierce in terms of carrying a team.
So PLEASE point out where Im wrong.
When you say he milks the stuff that happened in the playoffs, what are you referring to?
Things I like:
Ok first let me say IT was good his 1st season and a half and great this past season. He along with Horford carried that team last year. He was one of the top scorers in the league in the 4th quarter. Had one of the best scoring seasons ever by a Celtic. Came through in the clutch. Played with an attitude of guy much bigger than he was. Great with the media.
Things that never get talked about:
Horford gets no credit for making IT better. IT doesnt have the impact without Horford on the team. HIs teammates get very little credit for covering for his deficiencies. He was extremely difficult to build around as your main guy.
Now to answer your question. Most of the myth of IT is about his playoff story. Yes he had a great regular season but lets be real its the playoff story that keeps people on his side. If its a 4 game flame out like we had seen in the past and had a chance to be even last year the story would be about him losing his sister. Now I am by no means thats a small thing Im saying its a big part of his lore as is his hip. People make out the hip like he is the 1st player to ever get hurt.
Now how does IT milk this:
IT is great with the media and fans where a guy like Rondo wasnt and since he wasnt standoffish he makes for a great story and interview. This plays great when A) the other star on the team is not a guy who seeks the glory B) Is more of a 3rd option. So with that all the shine is on you. Your teammates cant raise much of a beef because they are role players. The media loves you because you are a great interview. That means you are always painted in a great light. And the media will never attack you because they want stories and dont want to seem like the villains especially after the playoff story. So with all that behind you start yelling about BRINKS TRUCKS. No fan is going to get mad at you for wanting to get paid. So he uses the media to create this love affair to help him get paid. I have no issue with him using the tactic but it blinds people to what he really was as a player a good but not great player whom you would have a hard time building around.
So now lets get to the real part of the story. As news of trade began to break people began to feel sorry for him not for being traded but for what happened during the playoffs. Poor IT he got traded after all that he went through in the playoffs. So when IT comes out to talk about it because he NEVER lets things go, he starts talking about it the story is about how much he gave as if other players didnt give alot but his give is all about the playoffs. Most specifically the passing of his sister gives him a free pass to then trash the organization the entire summer. Press conferences, videos the whole bit. People buy it because they feel sorry for his story. This just pumps up his ego 100 fold. He goes to Cleveland and is an immediate problem. He was gassed up as some leader but his true colors bleed through in Cleveland. He was toxic. Now why is it that the media, fans, sports radio, players and the team wanted him out so fast? Maybe its because he hadnt built the currency in terms of relationships. Yes his play wasnt the same but he was traded as an expiring contract and nothing more. He couldnt use the Playoff currency with anyone anymore because he was so toxic in his new place.
Sorry about the long answer but I think the question was a little complicated.
Btw, would you or anyone been as upset or cared that they traded IT for Kyrie if they did it before last season?
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It's amazing how fans are still rooting for IT to fail on here. Talk about beating a man while he is down. We can all agree that he has been immature since the trade but Rondo was the clear instigator with all of the comments about the tribute. All of a sudden Rondo is the "hero" because fans are enjoying IT's struggles. Did Rondo "bleed green" when he refused to play defense after the big three era? The more likely answer is that hindsight is making him finally appreciate his time in Boston.
The irony is that IT made much more of an effort to express appreciation to the fan base than Rondo ever did. For the record I do not dislike Rondo. Everyone is different. I don't even really care about the trash talk from last night. It's just funny how his flaws get thrown out the window when he targets IT.
I've always maintained the position that IT's contributions during last season far outweigh any of the bickering that has happened since the trade. No doubt he's sensitive but I can appreciate the fact that he truly cared about being a Celtic. People completely disregard the human element of this. The guy lost his sister, played through an injury that cost him a ton of money, and got traded away from the one organization that felt like home.
Rarely has any Celtic, or team, hero fallen from grace with fans as quickly as IT has. From go-to guy, 5th in MVP voting, 50 point game a few days after his sister died, to a midget, cancer and a troublemaker, hated by all the fans of teams he played for. It's kinda sad in a way. I suspect it all started with his Brinks truck comments. People started hating on him after that. Personally I think you can appreciate someone for what they did for a team while recognizing that it is time for the player to move on.
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It's amazing how fans are still rooting for IT to fail on here. Talk about beating a man while he is down. We can all agree that he has been immature since the trade but Rondo was the clear instigator with all of the comments about the tribute. All of a sudden Rondo is the "hero" because fans are enjoying IT's struggles. Did Rondo "bleed green" when he refused to play defense after the big three era? The more likely answer is that hindsight is making him finally appreciate his time in Boston.
The irony is that IT made much more of an effort to express appreciation to the fan base than Rondo ever did. For the record I do not dislike Rondo. Everyone is different. I don't even really care about the trash talk from last night. It's just funny how his flaws get thrown out the window when he targets IT.
I've always maintained the position that IT's contributions during last season far outweigh any of the bickering that has happened since the trade. No doubt he's sensitive but I can appreciate the fact that he truly cared about being a Celtic. People completely disregard the human element of this. The guy lost his sister, played through an injury that cost him a ton of money, and got traded away from the one organization that felt like home.
Rarely has any Celtic, or team, hero fallen from grace with fans as quickly as IT has. From go-to guy, 5th in MVP voting, 50 point game a few days after his sister died, to a midget, cancer and a troublemaker, hated by all the fans of teams he played for. It's kinda sad in a way. I suspect it all started with his Brinks truck comments. People started hating on him after that. Personally I think you can appreciate someone for what they did for a team while recognizing that it is time for the player to move on.
I dont know when it started for other people but for me it was after the trade with the videos. As you said there is a time when you recognize its time for a player to move on but that thought seems to never have been a part of ITs MO and thats why Im frustrated with him. He refuses to move on. Month after month after month he just doesnt want to let it go and just wants to keep throwing it in fans and the organizations face one way or another. i mean even in this Rondo deal all he had to say was Rondo seemed to have it out for me. iM not sure why but I want to move forward helping the Lakers but no hehasto talk about what was said about the video because he knows it will win him points. Just move on but no he brings it up once again in public. Im just really tired of his antics and need to constantly talk about how he was wronged.
Just think if Ray Allen bad mouthed the team as much as IT howmuch heat he would have gotten.
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It's amazing how fans are still rooting for IT to fail on here
I am not rooting for IT to fail but there are few teams I despise, the Cavs are one and the Lakers are yet another. I don't think I could ever root for either of these teams.
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