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Title: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: aefgogreen on February 12, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
I read an article on ESPN.com about Pierce's jersey going up.  The writer seems to think that KG's will go in the near future.   I'm a big fan of his, but I don't think it will or should.  Maybe I'd feel differently if we won in 2010.  But I think he joins a list of great Celtic players that helped us win a ring but weren't with us quite long enough to get their number retired.  Plus I feel like the C's are going to start retiring fewer of them.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Roy H. on February 12, 2018, 03:00:59 PM
Wyc has already said it will happen, I believe.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: A Future of Stevens on February 12, 2018, 03:04:15 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: blink on February 12, 2018, 03:06:30 PM
I think KG is next.  Had to retire PP's first, then it will be KG's turn.  I guess they will wait until next year to spread it out a bit?

Bonus that the forums are working well enough for me to read them today!
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: mef730 on February 12, 2018, 03:16:01 PM
I think KG is next.  Had to retire PP's first, then it will be KG's turn.  I guess they will wait until next year to spread it out a bit?

Bonus that the forums are working well enough for me to read them today!

It's very exciting. I only got booted once!

And I'm in the crowd that thinks that he just didn't play with us long enough to be retired.

Mike
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Donoghus on February 12, 2018, 03:17:08 PM
You can best darn guarantee that it will be up there in the square next to 34.  Near future too.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: aefgogreen on February 12, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.

Couldn't you make the same argument about Ray Allen?
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: gift on February 12, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
It's not just the 2008 title that gets KG's number retired. He turned the franchise around and the team today is different just because of him. The Celtics quite frankly lost relevancy in terms of being a premier franchise in the league. That changed the moment he arrived.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: cltc5 on February 12, 2018, 03:38:49 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: bdm860 on February 12, 2018, 03:47:00 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is the perfect time to transition off of retired jerseys, using Pierce and KG as bookends for this whole process.

Pierce could be the last person to get his jersey retired, and KG could be the first in the new tradition of simply having players honored by putting their name and number and years played on the wall or on a banner, like the Dallas Cowboys and many colleges do.


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Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 12, 2018, 03:49:25 PM
Wyc has already said it will happen, I believe.
They flashed a light on the retired numbers banner the first time he came back to the Garden. Coincidentally, no-one has worn 5 since. It's happening.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: hodgy03038 on February 12, 2018, 03:52:34 PM
Sure. I think we should. Let's NOT do it after playing LeBron when he b**** slaps us and celebrates on the bench in front of all of our past great players and the world to watch on national TV.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Sketch5 on February 12, 2018, 03:55:22 PM
If they do, they better play the Geno video. I miss watching KG watching that video in total bliss. LOL
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: bknova on February 12, 2018, 04:05:44 PM
Yes. absolutely.  That guy bleeds green, and really did wear Celtic pride on his sleeve. Still does
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Moranis on February 12, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: hodgy03038 on February 12, 2018, 04:43:32 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

No on Allen because he dumped us for LeBron. He is OUT!
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 12, 2018, 04:46:19 PM
KG yes, Judas Allen, no....
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: CelticsElite on February 12, 2018, 04:49:15 PM
Can the bulls retire Rasheed wallace?

Most pts scores for the bulls by a Celtics player

https://youtu.be/gD4CLCwH0uA
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: celticsclay on February 12, 2018, 04:54:13 PM
I think Allen has frankly buried himself from being honored by the Celtics with a retirement ceremony. The fact that he was out golfing instead of attending the game with KG, Rondo and Doc shows even he isn't willing to bury the hatchet and embrace his celtics time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/11/ray-allen-goes-golfing-while-kevin-garnett-and-rajon-rondo-attend-paul-pierce-tribute/?utm_term=.6c371908018d

I just don't see how he gets honored. Some of it is on these celtics guys, but Allen isn't doing himself any favors.

Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: johnnygreen on February 12, 2018, 04:54:40 PM
Have there been two teams that have retired the same players number? I think the Celtics (and Timberwolves) should retire KG's number.

I can't remember a player having as significant of an impact on the Celtics as KG had, since Larry Bird. I still believe KG should have easily been name the MVP in the 2007/2008 season, over Kobe. I also believe that the Celtics win 3 titles in a row, if it wasn't for KG's knee injury that he suffered in Utah in the 2008/2009 season. Numbers alone couldn't define his impact. Naturally, Pierce and Allen also had significant impacts, but the addition of Garnett raised everyone's game/ability/expectation to the nth degree.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: MattyIce on February 12, 2018, 04:55:03 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

nope
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Donoghus on February 12, 2018, 04:57:58 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

No. 

There is a discernible difference btw the two.  It was there in the summer of '07 and it continued to be there during the years of contention.   KG & Ray never were equals.   That's before even getting into any of the MIA stuff (which actually doesn't move the needle for me one way or another).

The KG acquisition changed everything.  It put the Celtics back on the map for the casual fans in the area.  It's what got them plastered all over national tv.  KG is what created the buzz, changed the culture, & ultimately was the anchor on those teams. 

KG & Ray never were equals.   This isn't a basketball skill thing.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 12, 2018, 05:03:29 PM
It’s only fitting that there is one blank square left next to #34.

I think they may be waiting for Minnesota to do it first? He’s clearly so beloved here (got the loudest ovations every time is was shown/mentioned), so it’s only a matter of time. He changed not only the culture here, but how others view this city.

I will say it’s a true shame when Pierce (and Garnett) gets his number retired and Ray not only isn’t  there, but no video, letter, anything. Barely mentioned and nothing more. Never would I have imagined how bad the blood would be between Ray and the team.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 12, 2018, 05:15:35 PM
It’s only fitting that there is one blank square left next to #34.

I think they may be waiting for Minnesota to do it first? He’s clearly so beloved here (got the loudest ovations every time is was shown/mentioned), so it’s only a matter of time. He changed not only the culture here, but how others view this city.

I will say it’s a true shame when Pierce (and Garnett) gets his number retired and Ray not only isn’t  there, but no video, letter, anything. Barely mentioned and nothing more. Never would I have imagined how bad the blood would be between Ray and the team.
That. Also, I'm sure we wanted to retire Pierce's number first, and perhaps space the ceremonies a little bit. I wouldn't be at all surprised if 5 goes up next to 34 as early as next year.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Big333223 on February 12, 2018, 05:20:22 PM
I'm sure they will but I wouldn't. I wouldn't have retired Maxwell's or Don Nelson's numbers either.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: blink on February 12, 2018, 05:50:44 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

No. 

There is a discernible difference btw the two.  It was there in the summer of '07 and it continued to be there during the years of contention.   KG & Ray never were equals.   That's before even getting into any of the MIA stuff (which actually doesn't move the needle for me one way or another).

The KG acquisition changed everything.  It put the Celtics back on the map for the casual fans in the area.  It's what got them plastered all over national tv.  KG is what created the buzz, changed the culture, & ultimately was the anchor on those teams. 

KG & Ray never were equals.   This isn't a basketball skill thing.

Completely agree with your take.  When we traded for Ray, it was like, ohh cool, that is great, great player great shooter take some pressure off of Paul.  When we traded for KG, it was like an earthquake.  KG was way bigger in our culture change, and flip from worst to best.  Ray definitely contributed to that, but it wasn't happening without KG.

I doubt Ray should get his jersey retired, I kind of think not, but I can see why some feel he should.  I am sure the circumstances around his leaving the team probably contribute to the discussion. 
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: tyrone biggums on February 12, 2018, 05:54:55 PM
KG is definitely getting retired. He personifies everything it was to be a Celtic
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Snakehead on February 12, 2018, 06:10:05 PM
I am getting mixed signals from people on this and man I hope they retire his number.  Grande has seemed to suggest there is zero chance it doesn't happen, while in contrast I saw Paul Pierce say it will be a long time before they retire another number.

 So deserved and an absolute all time great player of a very special level.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 12, 2018, 06:25:01 PM
I am getting mixed signals from people on this and man I hope they retire his number.  Grande has seemed to suggest there is zero chance it doesn't happen, while in contrast I saw Paul Pierce say it will be a long time before they retire another number.

 So deserved and an absolute all time great player of a very special level.

Paul insinuated on the Jump on ESPN that 5 is going next to him next season. Not sure if he is simply suggesting it or knows it.

I remember when they played his video tribute when Pierce and he returned with Brooklyn, it ended with a spotlight on an empty square.

It’ll happen, just a matter of when. Considering KG’s quirky personality, he may want to wait a bit.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Snakehead on February 12, 2018, 06:26:42 PM


Paul insinuated on the Jump on ESPN that 5 is going next to him next season. Not sure if he is simply suggesting it or knows it.


Ah that's good.  I just saw a headline by Himmelsbach that he said it would be a long time before another so maybe I was mistaken.

As I said, I really hope so.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: nickagneta on February 12, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
It's going to happen. No one has worn his number since. He constantly says he identifies as being a Celtic more than anything. And then we found out yesterday that he says behind the scenes that he wished he had come to Boston 5 years earlier. #5 will go to the rafters.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 12, 2018, 07:03:18 PM
It's going to happen. No one has worn his number since. He constantly says he identifies as being a Celtic more than anything. And then we found out yesterday that he says behind the scenes that he wished he had come to Boston 5 years earlier. #5 will go to the rafters.
5 years earlier he may not have liked it as much, though. 2003 wasn't a great to be a Celtics fan, much less a player.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Moranis on February 12, 2018, 07:05:03 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

No. 

There is a discernible difference btw the two.  It was there in the summer of '07 and it continued to be there during the years of contention.   KG & Ray never were equals.   That's before even getting into any of the MIA stuff (which actually doesn't move the needle for me one way or another).

The KG acquisition changed everything.  It put the Celtics back on the map for the casual fans in the area.  It's what got them plastered all over national tv.  KG is what created the buzz, changed the culture, & ultimately was the anchor on those teams. 

KG & Ray never were equals.   This isn't a basketball skill thing.
I was mostly playing devils advocate but I don't believe either should be in the rafters, but to continue the devils advocate theme, without Allen there is no KG and without both there is no title.  Additionally when Allen left the team fell off the map.  I really do think you can make a legit argument that Allen was the player that made those teams go.  Without his shooting the team just wasn't very good.  He made that offense go just as much as KG made the defense go and the reality is offense is and always has been more important then defense when looking at real contenders.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: nickagneta on February 12, 2018, 07:07:06 PM
It's going to happen. No one has worn his number since. He constantly says he identifies as being a Celtic more than anything. And then we found out yesterday that he says behind the scenes that he wished he had come to Boston 5 years earlier. #5 will go to the rafters.
5 years earlier he may not have liked it as much, though. 2003 wasn't a great to be a Celtics fan, much less a player.
You don't think KG would have made things very different? Never mind don't answer that, its irrelevent, much like your comment since I was just restating what was said yesterday.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 12, 2018, 07:30:54 PM
It's going to happen. No one has worn his number since. He constantly says he identifies as being a Celtic more than anything. And then we found out yesterday that he says behind the scenes that he wished he had come to Boston 5 years earlier. #5 will go to the rafters.
5 years earlier he may not have liked it as much, though. 2003 wasn't a great to be a Celtics fan, much less a player.

An in his prime KG, and an about to be in his prime Pierce would have run rough shod on the league at that time.

It would have been an amazing time to be a Celtics fan.  And players would have been lining up for the opportunity to play along side them.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 12, 2018, 07:35:40 PM
It's going to happen. No one has worn his number since. He constantly says he identifies as being a Celtic more than anything. And then we found out yesterday that he says behind the scenes that he wished he had come to Boston 5 years earlier. #5 will go to the rafters.
5 years earlier he may not have liked it as much, though. 2003 wasn't a great to be a Celtics fan, much less a player.

An in his prime KG, and an about to be in his prime Pierce would have run rough shod on the league at that time.

It would have been an amazing time to be a Celtics fan.  And players would have been lining up for the opportunity to play along side them.
Probably, but the middle of the O'Brien/Carroll transition season isn't a time when I would wish anyone to end up in Boston.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: bopna on February 12, 2018, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: A Future of Stevens link=topic=95404.msg2460430#msg2460430 date=151846585
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
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we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

No..because KG wasnt there in 2009 and we didnt win then. Ray Allen was and he didnt lead us to anything...argument is flawd...KG should be retired.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Eja117 on February 12, 2018, 08:47:00 PM
This is the list of Celtics players who's numbers I'd retire before Ray Allen......


Every single one.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 12, 2018, 09:06:33 PM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: alley oop on February 12, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
I think Allen has frankly buried himself from being honored by the Celtics with a retirement ceremony. The fact that he was out golfing instead of attending the game with KG, Rondo and Doc shows even he isn't willing to bury the hatchet and embrace his celtics time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/11/ray-allen-goes-golfing-while-kevin-garnett-and-rajon-rondo-attend-paul-pierce-tribute/?utm_term=.6c371908018d

I just don't see how he gets honored. Some of it is on these celtics guys, but Allen isn't doing himself any favors.

It seems passive aggressive. Publicizing what he was doing with a photo on Instagram.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Eja117 on February 12, 2018, 09:39:40 PM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.
Ray can get his number retired by the Heat
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: satch on February 12, 2018, 09:48:37 PM
Don't know about rafters but KG was the man that changed the culture of Celtics. Before KG Doc was just treading water. PP was traveling down the Antione Walker road. Always thought Walker was a bad influence. KG taught Doc and PP what it took to be a winner.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 13, 2018, 12:58:05 AM
It's going to happen. No one has worn his number since. He constantly says he identifies as being a Celtic more than anything. And then we found out yesterday that he says behind the scenes that he wished he had come to Boston 5 years earlier. #5 will go to the rafters.
5 years earlier he may not have liked it as much, though. 2003 wasn't a great to be a Celtics fan, much less a player.

An in his prime KG, and an about to be in his prime Pierce would have run rough shod on the league at that time.

It would have been an amazing time to be a Celtics fan.  And players would have been lining up for the opportunity to play along side them.
Probably, but the middle of the O'Brien/Carroll transition season isn't a time when I would wish anyone to end up in Boston.

Surely you don’t recall just how dominant KG was back then. The team he carried to what, 57 wins and first place in the tough West?

Surely KG and Pierce would have run through that weak East (sans Detroit) with ease. And Doc would’ve been not far behind and could have come sooner with those two.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 13, 2018, 01:01:47 AM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.
No way Ray's number should be up there.

Forget the way he left. Just didnt do enough when he was here. KG was the best player on the team and is credited for completely changing the team culture. Ray was the 3rd best player on the team and by the 2010 he was the 4th best player. He also had 1 less year than KG.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 13, 2018, 01:03:53 AM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

No. 

There is a discernible difference btw the two.  It was there in the summer of '07 and it continued to be there during the years of contention.   KG & Ray never were equals.   That's before even getting into any of the MIA stuff (which actually doesn't move the needle for me one way or another).

The KG acquisition changed everything.  It put the Celtics back on the map for the casual fans in the area.  It's what got them plastered all over national tv.  KG is what created the buzz, changed the culture, & ultimately was the anchor on those teams. 

KG & Ray never were equals.   This isn't a basketball skill thing.
I was mostly playing devils advocate but I don't believe either should be in the rafters, but to continue the devils advocate theme, without Allen there is no KG and without both there is no title.  Additionally when Allen left the team fell off the map.  I really do think you can make a legit argument that Allen was the player that made those teams go.  Without his shooting the team just wasn't very good.  He made that offense go just as much as KG made the defense go and the reality is offense is and always has been more important then defense when looking at real contenders.
Dont hide behind "devils advocate"

Do you really believe that Ray Allen and KG were of similar importance?
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 13, 2018, 05:04:34 AM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.
No way Ray's number should be up there.

Forget the way he left. Just didnt do enough when he was here. KG was the best player on the team and is credited for completely changing the team culture. Ray was the 3rd best player on the team and by the 2010 he was the 4th best player. He also had 1 less year than KG.

Huh?

Dude hit the clutch layup vs Sasha Vujacic in that epic Game 4 comeback from 2008 NBA finals.

RAY had the balls in his hands for that clutch shot.

Ray ALSO had 26 points in the clutching game 6.

Let's all put aside our irrational feelings about Ray and give the man credit. No he wasn't KG but  he was certainly a key piece and KG would NOT have come here if it weren't for Ray.

Paul wasn't drawing KG by himself.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: More Banners on February 13, 2018, 07:03:23 AM
KG represents everything Celtic as much as anybody.

He set the standard.

There will never be another #5.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: RockinRyA on February 13, 2018, 07:07:37 AM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.
No way Ray's number should be up there.

Forget the way he left. Just didnt do enough when he was here. KG was the best player on the team and is credited for completely changing the team culture. Ray was the 3rd best player on the team and by the 2010 he was the 4th best player. He also had 1 less year than KG.

Huh?

Dude hit the clutch layup vs Sasha Vujacic in that epic Game 4 comeback from 2008 NBA finals.

RAY had the balls in his hands for that clutch shot.

Ray ALSO had 26 points in the clutching game 6.

Let's all put aside our irrational feelings about Ray and give the man credit. No he wasn't KG but  he was certainly a key piece and KG would NOT have come here if it weren't for Ray.

Paul wasn't drawing KG by himself.

So what? Those are important performances in the championship year. But you don't hang a banner on that alone.

KG coming here because of Ray- Ainge deserves the credit for that, not Allen.

Its not Allen hatred, its just the reality. Heck even KG is debateable, and he meant more to the Celtics than Allen and played 1 more year.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: TA9 on February 13, 2018, 07:14:03 AM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.
No way Ray's number should be up there.

Forget the way he left. Just didnt do enough when he was here. KG was the best player on the team and is credited for completely changing the team culture. Ray was the 3rd best player on the team and by the 2010 he was the 4th best player. He also had 1 less year than KG.

Huh?

Dude hit the clutch layup vs Sasha Vujacic in that epic Game 4 comeback from 2008 NBA finals.

RAY had the balls in his hands for that clutch shot.

Ray ALSO had 26 points in the clutching game 6.

Let's all put aside our irrational feelings about Ray and give the man credit. No he wasn't KG but  he was certainly a key piece and KG would NOT have come here if it weren't for Ray.

Paul wasn't drawing KG by himself.
Even though I agree that Ray had a lot of important moments playing for the Celtics, I still don't believe that he's worthy of getting his jersey retired. Especially considering the way he left the team and - to some extent - bailed on his teammates.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Moranis on February 13, 2018, 08:43:46 AM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either.  Should he also go up?

No. 

There is a discernible difference btw the two.  It was there in the summer of '07 and it continued to be there during the years of contention.   KG & Ray never were equals.   That's before even getting into any of the MIA stuff (which actually doesn't move the needle for me one way or another).

The KG acquisition changed everything.  It put the Celtics back on the map for the casual fans in the area.  It's what got them plastered all over national tv.  KG is what created the buzz, changed the culture, & ultimately was the anchor on those teams. 

KG & Ray never were equals.   This isn't a basketball skill thing.
I was mostly playing devils advocate but I don't believe either should be in the rafters, but to continue the devils advocate theme, without Allen there is no KG and without both there is no title.  Additionally when Allen left the team fell off the map.  I really do think you can make a legit argument that Allen was the player that made those teams go.  Without his shooting the team just wasn't very good.  He made that offense go just as much as KG made the defense go and the reality is offense is and always has been more important then defense when looking at real contenders.
Dont hide behind "devils advocate"

Do you really believe that Ray Allen and KG were of similar importance?
No, KG was the better player (and thus more important), but KG wasn't so much greater and didn't play so much longer that I feel he should be in the rafters either. 
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: jbpats on February 13, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Not going to read through 4 pages so not sure it's been said, but Scal mentioned on his Sirius morning show that it is happening. So i guess that means the cat is out of the bag?
All I can say is I hope it's not as drawn out as Pierces was, that ceremony was a little over the top.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on February 13, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
People can talk about KG "only won one title in Boston" or wasn't here that long, but that is a very pretentious look at it in my opinion.  KG absolutely changed the culture in Boston more than any other player for that 2008 title run.  Pierce made changes to his game in order to make room for others, but it was KG who had his finger prints all over that title.

The way I look at it is, can I see any player ever wearing #5 again for the Celtics?  For me the answer is absolutely not.  I could most definitely see a player wearing #20 though (as Hayward is)

I'd even possibly consider Rondo's #9 but I don't think he had quite the impact KG did even though he was on the team longer.

Also, KG helped fetch the treasure trove of assets that landed us Tatum and Brown, so that counts for something in my opinion too. Haha
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 13, 2018, 06:34:51 PM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.
No way Ray's number should be up there.

Forget the way he left. Just didnt do enough when he was here. KG was the best player on the team and is credited for completely changing the team culture. Ray was the 3rd best player on the team and by the 2010 he was the 4th best player. He also had 1 less year than KG.

Huh?

Dude hit the clutch layup vs Sasha Vujacic in that epic Game 4 comeback from 2008 NBA finals.

RAY had the balls in his hands for that clutch shot.

Ray ALSO had 26 points in the clutching game 6.

Let's all put aside our irrational feelings about Ray and give the man credit. No he wasn't KG but  he was certainly a key piece and KG would NOT have come here if it weren't for Ray.

Paul wasn't drawing KG by himself.
Should we retire the jersey of every contributor on every single Celtics team?

Think of all the clutch shots and clutch D Posey played????? put his number in the rafters now!!!

What about Perk's interior defense. Rafters. Now.

Rondo's near triple double in the clinching game 6. No one else should ever wear 9. Who else is going up in the rafters? Scal? unmatched bench presensce?

It's not irrational. If Ray's number is retired he's have the 2nd fewest rings (behind Reggie Lewis) and the shortest tenure of any retired number. He was the 3rd best player on 1 championship team. He was here for 4 years. He just didn't do enough.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 13, 2018, 06:52:51 PM
Definitely
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 13, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.

Couldn't you make the same argument about Ray Allen?

No. KG bled green (but so did a lot of guys who won/didn't win here).

He brought a culture here that still resinates with this team even in 2018. Defense, toughness, and heart. You can have talent but it's the intangible that make him stand out.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: mgent on February 13, 2018, 08:18:51 PM
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Retire KG's jersey?

Is sky blue?
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: hpantazo on February 13, 2018, 08:19:24 PM
I think you absolutely have to retire KG's number. He transformed the franchise, his effect changed the league-wide and world-wide reputation of the Celtics and the city of Boston to the point that free agents want to come here. He embodied our defensive culture and what being a Celtic legend is all about. Its a crime if he doesn't get his number up in the rafters.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 13, 2018, 08:34:18 PM
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.

Couldn't you make the same argument about Ray Allen?

No. KG bled green (but so did a lot of guys who won/didn't win here).

He brought a culture here that still resinates with this team even in 2018. Defense, toughness, and heart. You can have talent but it's the intangible that make him stand out.

Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3N1YzhUMQqk/TnuwiLpXgXI/AAAAAAAAAGY/fFjjXyQQggI/s1600/blog%2Bray.jpg)

I'm certain that you won't find ANY pics of Paul Pierce around a Celtics jersey at that age - being that he was a diehard LAKERS fan growing up.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 13, 2018, 08:57:46 PM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: hpantazo on February 13, 2018, 09:19:04 PM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

If we take Ray at his word, he said he left to Miami for his family. If that's true, I get it. The wife and kids always win in these decisions, and sometimes its hard to explain that to your friends so you just don't talk about it.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 13, 2018, 10:02:58 PM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

If we take Ray at his word, he said he left to Miami for his family. If that's true, I get it. The wife and kids always win in these decisions, and sometimes its hard to explain that to your friends so you just don't talk about it.
No, not always. If they did, Tom Brady would have retired years ago.

Plus, I don't believe him. That's the first time I hear the story anyway, and you'd think he'd have explained that to someone  in the organization on the way out (especially if he bled as green as our friend GF1819 here suggests).
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Kuberski33 on February 13, 2018, 10:47:07 PM
I'm going to take the contrarian view on this - there are too many retired numbers.  Personally I think the only numbers that should be out of circulation are Russell's, Tommy's, Cousy's and Bird's. Maybe Havlicek.  And then you do a ring of honor for the rest.

You could make an argument for Pierce's # being retired because he played so many years - just one title however.  KG was only here for a few years.  He to me would be a Ring of Honor guy.

Forget Ray Allen...one of my favorite players in recent memory but not good enough to have his number retired.  He might be a Ring of Honor guy - maybe.  He to me is in the Max, Parrish, DJ category - and not as good as DJ.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Atzar on February 13, 2018, 11:11:28 PM
I love KG, but IMHO no.  He had one great year here, an injury, and then a couple more very good ones before he declined. 

Just don’t think he did enough here.  Compare his Celtics achievements to those of other greats - guys who dominated for 10+ years in Boston.

Minnesota should hang his number, but not Boston.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: hpantazo on February 13, 2018, 11:18:41 PM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

If we take Ray at his word, he said he left to Miami for his family. If that's true, I get it. The wife and kids always win in these decisions, and sometimes its hard to explain that to your friends so you just don't talk about it.
No, not always. If they did, Tom Brady would have retired years ago.

Plus, I don't believe him. That's the first time I hear the story anyway, and you'd think he'd have explained that to someone  in the organization on the way out (especially if he bled as green as our friend GF1819 here suggests).

Well, there's only one Tom Brady. 99.99% of all NFL players would have retired well before his age. He's defying science.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 13, 2018, 11:45:26 PM
I love KG, but IMHO no.  He had one great year here, an injury, and then a couple more very good ones before he declined. 

Just don’t think he did enough here.  Compare his Celtics achievements to those of other greats - guys who dominated for 10+ years in Boston.

Minnesota should hang his number, but not Boston.
Interestingly enough, I think he might be have the greatest Celtics career of any player without a retired number.
Title: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: CelticsElite on February 14, 2018, 01:30:49 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22429293/paul-pierce-says-boston-celtics-retire-no-5-honor-kevin-garnett

Sounds like an opinion and not a matter of fact. Ainge says ownership will make final decision
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 14, 2018, 02:01:38 AM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

Or - he bolted for MIA as his CHOICE before Danny Ainge traded him to Timbuktu.

Come on now...this has been discussed on here Ad Infinitum.

Let's be real, here....at this rate Uncle Drew had BETTER be looking ahead at HIS "PREFERRED" destination in a few years....rather than Danny's.

LOOK - you / we can say the old tired adage - "The NBA is a Business". I get it. But i'm certain you're tearing away the threads of LOYALTY when you dangle players out there like that.

At least Ray got a warning.

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/isaiah-thomas.jpg)

You know...I so glad that Larry and Kevin got to ride off into the sunset in Celtic Green. But I realize these are different times now.

Ray made his choice and I respect him for it.

He'll ALWAYS be a Celtic, to me.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: bopna on February 14, 2018, 02:07:04 AM
IT should happen....period.

No KG no banner 17...cant say the same with Ray...because in 2009 ray was ther and PP was there had 60 wins and we still lost in round 2..KG is the ultimate catalyst and defensive anchor .
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: CelticsJG on February 14, 2018, 02:36:52 AM
Shouldn't happen IMO. Would ruin the prestige of the Celtics. Can't go retiring a jersey just because he help win a title. And if you retire KG jersey, you gotta retire Rays. There is no KG without Ray.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 14, 2018, 03:40:42 AM
Shouldn't happen IMO. Would ruin the prestige of the Celtics. Can't go retiring a jersey just because he help win a title. And if you retire KG jersey, you gotta retire Rays. There is no KG without Ray.

How does it ruin the prestige? We’ve has guys retired who have won less than multiple titles. We’ve had guys retired who didn’t play a decade with the franchise. You don’t have to retire Ray because you retire KG.

KG meant more to this team, always. On and off the court. Don’t compare them just because Ray was the third best player on the team. Fact is KG made the ASG five of his six seasons here, won DPOY, was All-NBA 1st once and All-Defense 4 times. Got MVP votes in two different seasons. Ray? Made three all-star teams. That’s it.




Slipped in at the end of the article was Paul saying KG won’t have his number retired in Minny until the team is sold.... what’s that about?
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 14, 2018, 03:50:27 AM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

If we take Ray at his word, he said he left to Miami for his family. If that's true, I get it. The wife and kids always win in these decisions, and sometimes its hard to explain that to your friends so you just don't talk about it.
No, not always. If they did, Tom Brady would have retired years ago.

Plus, I don't believe him. That's the first time I hear the story anyway, and you'd think he'd have explained that to someone  in the organization on the way out (especially if he bled as green as our friend GF1819 here suggests).

I just can’t wrap my head around why his wife and kids would want to be in Miami. MA seems to have much better towns to raise families and their healthcare is top notch for a family with a child like Ray’s.

I can’t see his wife wanting a professional basketball player hanging out in Miami Beach.

Maybe she wanted to move to Vegas after he retired. Great place to raise a family (and get catfished?).
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 14, 2018, 03:55:55 AM
Shouldn't happen IMO. Would ruin the prestige of the Celtics. Can't go retiring a jersey just because he help win a title. And if you retire KG jersey, you gotta retire Rays. There is no KG without Ray.

How does it ruin the prestige? We’ve has guys retired who have won less than multiple titles. We’ve had guys retired who didn’t play a decade with the franchise. You don’t have to retire Ray because you retire KG.

KG meant more to this team, always. On and off the court. Don’t compare them just because Ray was the third best player on the team. Fact is KG made the ASG five of his six seasons here, won DPOY, was All-NBA 1st once and All-Defense 4 times. Got MVP votes in two different seasons. Ray? Made three all-star teams. That’s it.




Slipped in at the end of the article was Paul saying KG won’t have his number retired in Minny until the team is sold.... what’s that about?
Current ownership and KG are at odds.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2017/04/18/retired-kg-still-has-itch-for-playing-beef-with-t-wolves-2/amp/
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 14, 2018, 03:57:36 AM
Shouldn't happen IMO. Would ruin the prestige of the Celtics. Can't go retiring a jersey just because he help win a title. And if you retire KG jersey, you gotta retire Rays. There is no KG without Ray.
I don't get why KG and Ray have to be equally deserving of a retired number.

KGs impact on and off the floor towers over Rays. They really weren't that similar level players here.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on February 14, 2018, 04:52:18 AM
I am sick of serial retiring of jersey's, in the rafters should be: 6 (Bill Russell), 14 (Bob Cousy), 15 (Tom Heinsohn), 33 (Larry Bird), 35 (Reggie Lewis) and that is it. To have your number retired you should be a transcendent player not only for the Celtics but for the sport. Tommy should have his retired because of the sheer longevity to services to the sport and Celtics and Reggie out of respect. It doesn't mean you can't honour your old players and recognise their greatness perhaps with a Celtics own Hall of Fame or a TD Garden Hall of Fame. KG was with Boston for 6 years only and really at an elite level for 3-4, if he got his Celtics number retired it would show how trivial the huge honour has become.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Androslav on February 14, 2018, 05:42:39 AM
I am sick of serial retiring of jersey's, in the rafters should be: 6 (Bill Russell), 14 (Bob Cousy), 15 (Tom Heinsohn), 33 (Larry Bird), 35 (Reggie Lewis) and that is it. To have your number retired you should be a transcendent player not only for the Celtics but for the sport. Tommy should have his retired because of the sheer longevity of services to the sport and Celtics and Reggie out of respect. It doesn't mean you can't honor your old players and recognize their greatness perhaps with a Celtics own Hall of Fame or a TD Garden Hall of Fame. KG was with Boston for 6 years only and really at an elite level for 3-4, if he got his Celtics number retired it would show how trivial the huge honor has become.
We are a special franchise.
Along with the Knicks longest existing, we won the most titles too.
We have many deserving guys. Hondo? Mchale, Parish?
It is not like we are the Heat that retired MJ's jersey.

However, with time, I would consider the availability of the numbers that are in the rafters.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Green-18 on February 14, 2018, 06:28:23 AM
I have a slightly different viewpoint regarding jersey retirements than most.  The idea that you must be a transcendent Hall of Fame player for a LONG time is too restrictive. 

Currently I am 28 years old, which means my viewership as Celtics fan began in 1996.  The numbers hanging in the rafters only added to the mystique of the Franchise when I was a kid.  I remember the Parrish and Maxwell ceremonies.  These types of events enhance the memory of prior greats.  If makes true fans of the game want to learn more about the history of the franchise.  I can only imagine what it was like to be a fan during their initial run of dominance throughout the 60's.  It would mean something as a fan today to see memories of those teams in the Garden.

As for KG, his jersey retirement would be the perfect bookend to a VERY important era for a younger generation of Celtics fans.  The sheer crowd response he receives is amazing.  We had some bad luck with injuries but can anyone argue that KG wasn't the embodiment of Celtic pride?  It matters to me that he wore his appreciation for Boston on his sleeve.  The intensity, grit, determination, and will to win have created a lasting memory.  Personally I want to see #5 next to #34 when I attend games in the future as an older fan.  It just feels right.

With that said, I draw the line at KG.  No Rondo or Ray.  The lasting memory of the fan base is extremely important.  They were both instrumental in our success but do we really care to see them celebrated in the same context as Pierce? Absolutely not.     
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 14, 2018, 06:40:50 AM
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Tommy should have his retired because of the sheer longevity to services to the sport and Celtics and Reggie out of respect.

Tommy Gun was a heck of the player back in the day, too.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Surferdad on February 14, 2018, 06:49:46 AM
I love KG and what he did to help bring a championship and CELTIC PRIDE back to Boston.

However, after watching the entire number-raising celebration of Paul Pierce, I don't see how KG rises to that level.  The last number before #34 to be retired was #33, I believe.  It happens LESS OFTEN than championships for Boston.  It is a very special honor and goes way, way beyond being a great player.

Again, I love KG.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: bopna on February 14, 2018, 06:53:36 AM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

Or - he bolted for MIA as his CHOICE before Danny Ainge traded him to Timbuktu.

Come on now...this has been discussed on here Ad Infinitum.

Let's be real, here....at this rate Uncle Drew had BETTER be looking ahead at HIS "PREFERRED" destination in a few years....rather than Danny's.

LOOK - you / we can say the old tired adage - "The NBA is a Business". I get it. But i'm certain you're tearing away the threads of LOYALTY when you dangle players out there like that.

At least Ray got a warning.

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/isaiah-thomas.jpg)

You know...I so glad that Larry and Kevin got to ride off into the sunset in Celtic Green. But I realize these are different times now.

Ray made his choice and I respect him for it.

He'll ALWAYS be a Celtic, to me.

No waaay..Ray played for the Celtics but he is no way always will be a Celtic...

Say whatever you want but at the end of the day KGs number is goin up and Ray's isn't..and im so glad for that. Ray can can have his retirement ceremony in Miami for all I care.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Surferdad on February 14, 2018, 06:54:38 AM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

Or - he bolted for MIA as his CHOICE before Danny Ainge traded him to Timbuktu.

Come on now...this has been discussed on here Ad Infinitum.

Let's be real, here....at this rate Uncle Drew had BETTER be looking ahead at HIS "PREFERRED" destination in a few years....rather than Danny's.

LOOK - you / we can say the old tired adage - "The NBA is a Business". I get it. But i'm certain you're tearing away the threads of LOYALTY when you dangle players out there like that.

At least Ray got a warning.

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/isaiah-thomas.jpg)

You know...I so glad that Larry and Kevin got to ride off into the sunset in Celtic Green. But I realize these are different times now.

Ray made his choice and I respect him for it.

He'll ALWAYS be a Celtic, to me.
Really?  That's not the way I remember it.  IIRC, Danny offered him more money than Miami (which they were able to do), and he turned it down to take less, money, farther from family and specialist doctors for his kid, to go chase a ring.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: freshinthehouse on February 14, 2018, 07:07:26 AM
I love KG and what he did to help bring a championship and CELTIC PRIDE back to Boston.

However, after watching the entire number-raising celebration of Paul Pierce, I don't see how KG rises to that level.  The last number before #34 to be retired was #33, I believe.  It happens LESS OFTEN than championships for Boston.  It is a very special honor and goes way, way beyond being a great player.

Again, I love KG.

I hate (love) to nit pick, but #32, #35, #00 and #31 have all been retired since Bird's #33 was retired. 

IMO the Celtics need to stop retiring numbers.  Let that be a 20th century thing.  Since Pierce debuted in the 90s, let him be the last player to have this honor.  Start a ring of honor for 21st century stars.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: JBcat on February 14, 2018, 07:58:48 AM
I see both sides of the fence.  Look at the Red Sox who have really high standards whose number is retired.  But who am I to say the likes of Bill Sharman, Frank Ramsey, Don Nelson, Satch Sanders, both Jones ect shouldn’t have had their number retired as I’ve never seen them play.  We did go on a historical run during that era with 11 championships in 13 years.  So hearing their name and seeing their number helps remind us how important they were to all those championships, and how good they were.  It kind of puts the Celtics dominant history in perspective.  I’ll use 2 of the latest retired numbers as examples why KG probably should have his retired, Max who played 8 season as a Celtic and DJ who played 7. 

This is a little off topic but we might have the beginning of guys getting their numbers retired way into the future in Irving, Brown, and Tatum.  Hayward and Horford are longer shots as they are older, but say they play 8 years in green with 2 championships they will have a shot.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: dreamgreen on February 14, 2018, 08:33:50 AM
No. Wasn't here long enough and the Celtic's are out of control with that.
Title: Pierce says KG will be next
Post by: Phil125 on February 14, 2018, 10:09:07 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22429293/paul-pierce-says-boston-celtics-retire-no-5-honor-kevin-garnett (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22429293/paul-pierce-says-boston-celtics-retire-no-5-honor-kevin-garnett)

I loved KG's time in Boston, but I'm not sure we should be retiring his number.  One Ring and he only spent 6 of his 21 seasons in Boston.  Not exactly retirement numbers.  Is he the reason he got the ring yes, but no matter how much I wanted him to he never really felt like a true Celtic to me. 

He'd be the only one that did not spend the vast majority of his career in Boston.  The closest one would be DJ with a 50/50 split between his time in Boston and other teams.  He did have 2 rings going for him though.
Title: Re: Pierce says KG will be next
Post by: Chris22 on February 14, 2018, 10:11:33 AM
No KG, no ring.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Surferdad on February 14, 2018, 10:47:05 AM
I love KG and what he did to help bring a championship and CELTIC PRIDE back to Boston.

However, after watching the entire number-raising celebration of Paul Pierce, I don't see how KG rises to that level.  The last number before #34 to be retired was #33, I believe.  It happens LESS OFTEN than championships for Boston.  It is a very special honor and goes way, way beyond being a great player.

Again, I love KG.

I hate (love) to nit pick, but #32, #35, #00 and #31 have all been retired since Bird's #33 was retired. 

IMO the Celtics need to stop retiring numbers.  Let that be a 20th century thing.  Since Pierce debuted in the 90s, let him be the last player to have this honor.  Start a ring of honor for 21st century stars.
OK fair enough, but my point is that Bird was the last active player to have his number retired.  Is that correct?  If so, then retiring numbers doesn't happen too often.  It should be for very very special people.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Donoghus on February 14, 2018, 10:52:30 AM
I love KG and what he did to help bring a championship and CELTIC PRIDE back to Boston.

However, after watching the entire number-raising celebration of Paul Pierce, I don't see how KG rises to that level.  The last number before #34 to be retired was #33, I believe.  It happens LESS OFTEN than championships for Boston.  It is a very special honor and goes way, way beyond being a great player.

Again, I love KG.

I hate (love) to nit pick, but #32, #35, #00 and #31 have all been retired since Bird's #33 was retired. 

IMO the Celtics need to stop retiring numbers.  Let that be a 20th century thing.  Since Pierce debuted in the 90s, let him be the last player to have this honor.  Start a ring of honor for 21st century stars.
OK fair enough, but my point is that Bird was the last active player to have his number retired.  Is that correct?  If so, then retiring numbers doesn't happen too often.  It should be for very very special people.

He wasn't active.  He retired in summer '92.  Larry Bird night was Feb '93.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: OHCeltic on February 14, 2018, 10:55:36 AM
KG is a great player his number will be retired in Minnesota. Not in Boston.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: JHTruth on February 14, 2018, 11:05:52 AM
Certainly.

And I'm hoping that things thaw over time to where we can retire Ray's here as well.

The BIG THREE won Banner 17, not the BIG TWO. Things didn't reportedly go south between Ray and Co. until sometime after Banner 17 - and TBH it's petty in the larger scheme of things.

The Boston Celtics are a class organization and I'd hope that they'd consider putting Ray's up there as well.

Ray Allen was one of the most clutchest, cold-blooded shooters that BOS has EVER had - just ask Sasha Vujacic.

He's going to be a first ballot HOFer I'm certain.

Hayward has Ray's # now. I think that was a pretty large signal that Ray is not getting his # retired here. I think he should if we're going to retire KG, but for some reason the Celtics don't see it the same way. That Miami move really hurt his cause I think..
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: moiso on February 14, 2018, 11:52:11 AM
KG deserves it because as it has been mentioned, he changed the whole culture and gave us the championship mindset.  The whole organization is still reaping that benefit many years later.

Ray was a good piece for a few years and contributed to a championship team.  I would argue that Antoine should get his number retired before even thinking of retiring Ray's number.  I couldn't stand him, but Antoine was a true Celtic and the face of the franchise for many years.  Ray had a great career but retiring his Celtic number would be ridiculous.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: PAOBoston on February 14, 2018, 11:57:05 AM
Realistically? No he shouldnt.

But since the Cs retire pretty much everyone's number, he probably will.

I am a firm believer the Cs have made a jersey being retired less meaningful. It should be for the best of the best that had tenure here in Boston.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2018, 01:21:50 PM
Having read a ton of about the early Celtics and been a fan since the early 70's Celtics, I gotta say, I have no problem with all the retired numbers. You can't unretire 1 and 2. Walter Brown and Red Auerbach are why the Celtics are here and are great. Ramsay, Sharman, and Sam Jones were transformative players, much like Cousy. Havlicek, Cowens and Jojo were as important to the 70's titles as the Big 3 were to the 80's. The 80's Big 3, Russell and Pierce are no brainers. Reggie you have to as he gave his life for this team and out of respect.

Are yhere some in there I might not have retired, sure. But stars of the 60's that put on the greatest championship streak in all of sports, need to be recognized. Never understood Dennis Johnson or Cedric Maxwell being retired but it is what it is.

We have tons of numbers that can still be used. No sense unretiring numbers. Every number up there has a story and a reason to be there. Let's respect that.
Title: Re: Pierce: "KGs number is next to be retired. Its going to happen."
Post by: Kuberski33 on February 14, 2018, 02:34:58 PM
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Tommy should have his retired because of the sheer longevity to services to the sport and Celtics and Reggie out of respect.

Tommy Gun was a heck of the player back in the day, too.
Heinsohn played 10 seasons and won 8 titles - think about that for a second.  He was a 6x NBA All Star. He also won 2 as a coach after the team bottomed out and needed to be rebuilt - and that's before you get to what he's done as a broadcaster and ambassador for the team.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: tonydelk on February 14, 2018, 02:37:55 PM
KG Absolutely deserves to have his number retired.  No doubt about it.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Smartacus on February 14, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
KG is the man who got me into Basketball, I say retire that number!

I think it's very easy to argue that along with the title The Kevin Garnett acquisition really brought basketball back to Boston. Looking at guys like Horford and Hayward who chose to come here, I don't see them necessarily having made the choice without KG bringing the Boston pride back into the limelight.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Snakehead on February 14, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
The thing some people miss on this is that the man is an absolutely all time great and wants to be a Celtic and remembered as one.  He is a close to the chest, quiet, and very loyal guy as far as things about his career and basketball go and he has said openly he wishes he came to Boston 4 or 5 years earlier.  That says a lot that he says that.

To me it is an honor both ways and to look at it purely as a time thing is really shallow.  I was a huge KG fan before he came to Boston and it was an honor to see him play for the Celtics and it honestly can make me emotional with him how much he bought into that and how hard he fought.  I think he is especially glossed over with how unfortunate his injury was and how hard he still fought to be very effective player in seasons like '12, if not as good as his absolutely dominant prime.

When he broke down in 08 after they won I did as well.

Like others have said, he changed the culture of this team and even the fanbase in a way that can't be measured.  I am biased I guess because KG is my all time favorite and my username here is even a reference to him, but all that is the case for a reason.  It's an honor to have been able to watch him play for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2018, 02:42:17 PM
We had a ton of retired jerseys for the 11 titles in the 50s and 60s. We had 3 numbers retired for the 2 championships in the 70's. We had 5 numbers retired for the 3 titles in the 80s. 2 numbers retired for the 2008 title is good for me so KG is a no brainer IMO.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 14, 2018, 03:02:01 PM
Realistically? No he shouldnt.

But since the Cs retire pretty much everyone's number, he probably will.

I am a firm believer the Cs have made a jersey being retired less meaningful. It should be for the best of the best that had tenure here in Boston.

I don’t get this mindset. How is KG not the best of the best? Other than Pierce, no other retired-number has played for Boston since 1994. So in 19 years (and we won’t see another number retired for at least a decade at the very minimum) we would have two players numbers retired and people view that as excessive? Do you not think he had the second best Celtics career in a 20-year span?

Or is it only because of our history? The only player that stands out as “unworthy” is Cornbread, but his service to the team in other capacities and overall relationships in sure had much to do with his number being retired as his playing career. Reggie Lewis? The guy was an all-star who died under contract. I don’t mind them honoring him by not letting anyone else wear his number.

Very perplexing stance by many of you. I’m sure Celtics brass disagrees with you guys.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Moranis on February 14, 2018, 03:33:05 PM
Ray Allen played in 91 playoff games for the Celtics.  Kevin Garnett played in 84 playoff games for the Celtics.  Garnett played in 38 more regular season games than Allen did, however Allen actually played more regular season minutes than Garnett despite playing in less games. 

If you look at advanced metrics like GmSc, Allen was the best player on the floor during the 08 NBA Finals (Allen was 16.7, Kobe was 16.4, and Pierce was 15.6).  Allen led the team in minutes and had an absolutely insane TS% of 70.8.  His ORtg was 129 and he had the same DRtg as Pierce at 106 (Pierce's ORtg was 112).  KG was 99 for both.  I think people forget just how good Allen was in that series.  Pierce won the Finals MVP with that epic game 5 performance (as well as being Mr. Celtic), but Allen just as easily could have won it as he didn't have any god awful games like Pierce did in game 3. 

I just don't see how you can realistically separate Garnett from Allen in this debate.  Either they should both go up or neither should.  I'm of the belief neither should as I don't think either played long enough in Boston to have earned the highest honor a team can give a player. 

That said I fully expect to see KG's number in the rafters and not Allen's, that just isn't what I would do.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Eja117 on February 14, 2018, 03:55:01 PM
If Ray's # went to the rafters do you think KG, Rondo, and Paul would show up? I don't. I think they'd instagram whatever they were doing that day.  KG would probably instagram a pic of himself eating cheerios. Paul would instagram golfing. Rondo would instagram himself playing Connect 4
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 14, 2018, 03:57:03 PM
If you look at advanced metrics like GmSc, Allen was the best player on the floor during the 08 NBA Finals (Allen was 16.7, Kobe was 16.4, and Pierce was 15.6).  Allen led the team in minutes and had an absolutely insane TS% of 70.8.  His ORtg was 129 and he had the same DRtg as Pierce at 106 (Pierce's ORtg was 112).  KG was 99 for both.  I think people forget just how good Allen was in that series.  Pierce won the Finals MVP with that epic game 5 performance (as well as being Mr. Celtic), but Allen just as easily could have won it as he didn't have any god awful games like Pierce did in game 3. 

I just don't see how you can realistically separate Garnett from Allen in this debate.  Either they should both go up or neither should.  I'm of the belief neither should as I don't think either played long enough in Boston to have earned the highest honor a team can give a player.
*yawn* Allen left and Garnett didn't. End of story.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 14, 2018, 03:59:38 PM
Ray Allen played in 91 playoff games for the Celtics.  Kevin Garnett played in 84 playoff games for the Celtics.  Garnett played in 38 more regular season games than Allen did, however Allen actually played more regular season minutes than Garnett despite playing in less games. 

If you look at advanced metrics like GmSc, Allen was the best player on the floor during the 08 NBA Finals (Allen was 16.7, Kobe was 16.4, and Pierce was 15.6).  Allen led the team in minutes and had an absolutely insane TS% of 70.8.  His ORtg was 129 and he had the same DRtg as Pierce at 106 (Pierce's ORtg was 112).  KG was 99 for both.  I think people forget just how good Allen was in that series.  Pierce won the Finals MVP with that epic game 5 performance (as well as being Mr. Celtic), but Allen just as easily could have won it as he didn't have any god awful games like Pierce did in game 3. 

I just don't see how you can realistically separate Garnett from Allen in this debate.  Either they should both go up or neither should.  I'm of the belief neither should as I don't think either played long enough in Boston to have earned the highest honor a team can give a player.

Are you serious with this?

If you really want to delve into advanced statistics, we can do that. But those generally don’t provide much over a 6-game stretch. Want to use the entire 2008 playoffs? You can pick and choose which stat(s) and narrow it down to just the Finals, but Ray had a number of duds (scoreless in game 1 and 4 point stinker in game 7 of ECSF). We probably beat Cleveland and Detroit despite Ray.

Let’s not even talk about the 2010 Finals, the one where he couldn’t hit a three in 4 of the 7 games and shot 3-14 in the decisive game 7.

I don’t think even you believe Allen was nearly as good as KG was. Not in 2008, actually not ever in their careers anywhere. BUT, even if you did, that doesn’t mean they have to retire his number if they retire Kevin’s. They don’t HAVE to retire anyone’s. They get to choose. And relationships matter. He walked away. He was offered more money and a NTC for a lesser role with our rival. He burned this bridge, not Danny.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Moranis on February 14, 2018, 04:11:46 PM
Ray Allen played in 91 playoff games for the Celtics.  Kevin Garnett played in 84 playoff games for the Celtics.  Garnett played in 38 more regular season games than Allen did, however Allen actually played more regular season minutes than Garnett despite playing in less games. 

If you look at advanced metrics like GmSc, Allen was the best player on the floor during the 08 NBA Finals (Allen was 16.7, Kobe was 16.4, and Pierce was 15.6).  Allen led the team in minutes and had an absolutely insane TS% of 70.8.  His ORtg was 129 and he had the same DRtg as Pierce at 106 (Pierce's ORtg was 112).  KG was 99 for both.  I think people forget just how good Allen was in that series.  Pierce won the Finals MVP with that epic game 5 performance (as well as being Mr. Celtic), but Allen just as easily could have won it as he didn't have any god awful games like Pierce did in game 3. 

I just don't see how you can realistically separate Garnett from Allen in this debate.  Either they should both go up or neither should.  I'm of the belief neither should as I don't think either played long enough in Boston to have earned the highest honor a team can give a player.

Are you serious with this?

If you really want to delve into advanced statistics, we can do that. But those generally don’t provide much over a 6-game stretch. Want to use the entire 2008 playoffs? You can pick and choose which stat(s) and narrow it down to just the Finals, but Ray had a number of duds (scoreless in game 1 and 4 point stinker in game 7 of ECSF). We probably beat Cleveland and Detroit despite Ray.

Let’s not even talk about the 2010 Finals, the one where he couldn’t hit a three in 4 of the 7 games and shot 3-14 in the decisive game 7.

I don’t think even you believe Allen was nearly as good as KG was. Not in 2008, actually not ever in their careers anywhere. BUT, even if you did, that doesn’t mean they have to retire his number if they retire Kevin’s. They don’t HAVE to retire anyone’s. They get to choose. And relationships matter. He walked away. He was offered more money and a NTC for a lesser role with our rival. He burned this bridge, not Danny.
Danny traded Ray Allen.  Let's not conveniently forget that small fact.  Memphis backed out after Danny had already told Allen the trade was done.  A lesser role?  Doc had already sent Allen to the bench.  He was going to have the exact same role on each team i.e. first guard off the bench, only difference is, one team was a contender that hadn't stabbed him in the back, the other one was not a contender that betrayed him the season before.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 14, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
Danny traded Ray Allen.  Let's not conveniently forget that small fact.  Memphis backed out after Danny had already told Allen the trade was done.  A lesser role?  Doc had already sent Allen to the bench.  He was going to have the exact same role on each team i.e. first guard off the bench, only difference is, one team was a contender that hadn't stabbed him in the back, the other one was not a contender that betrayed him the season before.
So? That doesn't matter. The NTC was on the table when he left for Miami. He wouldn't have had to worry about that again. He wasn't leaving Danny Ainge when he walked away, because Danny Ainge doesn't suit up for the Celtics. He walked out on Garnett, Pierce, Doc, and the rest of his teammates. If he wanted to stay, he would have stayed -- regardless of the manager and regardless of his role. He chose differently. That's fine, he's not a serf and free to choose his own destiny -- but that will ultimately cost him the spot in the rafters.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: Moranis on February 14, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Danny traded Ray Allen.  Let's not conveniently forget that small fact.  Memphis backed out after Danny had already told Allen the trade was done.  A lesser role?  Doc had already sent Allen to the bench.  He was going to have the exact same role on each team i.e. first guard off the bench, only difference is, one team was a contender that hadn't stabbed him in the back, the other one was not a contender that betrayed him the season before.
So? That doesn't matter. The NTC was on the table when he left for Miami. He wouldn't have had to worry about that again. He wasn't leaving Danny Ainge when he walked away, because Danny Ainge doesn't suit up for the Celtics. He walked out on Garnett, Pierce, Doc, and the rest of his teammates. If he wanted to stay, he would have stayed -- regardless of the manager and regardless of his role. He chose differently. That's fine, he's not a serf and free to choose his own destiny -- but that will ultimately cost him the spot in the rafters.
KG had a no trade clause, it didn't stop him from being traded.  Frankly, I think Doc and Rondo drove Allen away.  Doc, especially, wasn't very kind to Allen at the end, though I don't know why anyone would expect anything different from Doc.  Doc has always been a 2 faced ****.  Rondo just grinds certain people and him and Allen never really got along and as Rondo became more of a star, those two just clashed more and more. 
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 14, 2018, 04:53:53 PM
Ray Allen played in 91 playoff games for the Celtics.  Kevin Garnett played in 84 playoff games for the Celtics.  Garnett played in 38 more regular season games than Allen did, however Allen actually played more regular season minutes than Garnett despite playing in less games. 

If you look at advanced metrics like GmSc, Allen was the best player on the floor during the 08 NBA Finals (Allen was 16.7, Kobe was 16.4, and Pierce was 15.6).  Allen led the team in minutes and had an absolutely insane TS% of 70.8.  His ORtg was 129 and he had the same DRtg as Pierce at 106 (Pierce's ORtg was 112).  KG was 99 for both.  I think people forget just how good Allen was in that series.  Pierce won the Finals MVP with that epic game 5 performance (as well as being Mr. Celtic), but Allen just as easily could have won it as he didn't have any god awful games like Pierce did in game 3. 

I just don't see how you can realistically separate Garnett from Allen in this debate.  Either they should both go up or neither should.  I'm of the belief neither should as I don't think either played long enough in Boston to have earned the highest honor a team can give a player.

Are you serious with this?

If you really want to delve into advanced statistics, we can do that. But those generally don’t provide much over a 6-game stretch. Want to use the entire 2008 playoffs? You can pick and choose which stat(s) and narrow it down to just the Finals, but Ray had a number of duds (scoreless in game 1 and 4 point stinker in game 7 of ECSF). We probably beat Cleveland and Detroit despite Ray.

Let’s not even talk about the 2010 Finals, the one where he couldn’t hit a three in 4 of the 7 games and shot 3-14 in the decisive game 7.

I don’t think even you believe Allen was nearly as good as KG was. Not in 2008, actually not ever in their careers anywhere. BUT, even if you did, that doesn’t mean they have to retire his number if they retire Kevin’s. They don’t HAVE to retire anyone’s. They get to choose. And relationships matter. He walked away. He was offered more money and a NTC for a lesser role with our rival. He burned this bridge, not Danny.
Danny traded Ray Allen.  Let's not conveniently forget that small fact.  Memphis backed out after Danny had already told Allen the trade was done.  A lesser role?  Doc had already sent Allen to the bench.  He was going to have the exact same role on each team i.e. first guard off the bench, only difference is, one team was a contender that hadn't stabbed him in the back, the other one was not a contender that betrayed him the season before.

Backing up a young guard like Bradley is the same role as backing up perennial All-Star Wade? As long as he was in Boston, he would always be part of the Big Three, even if his role diminished more than the other two.

In Miami, he was nothing more than a hired (cheap) gun to spread the floor. Nobody really cared about him there, he was an afterthought.

Danny traded everybody. He’s the only one (and I guess now IT) that got so butthurt about it. Yet every one of them, Isaiah included, talks glowingly about the organization. Every time Ray brings up the Celtics, he’s defending himself. He lives with guilt, not Danny, not Wyc and co., and not us fans.

He could have built a lasting legacy here, not a 5 year one (everyone hated him the second he left, the ill will didn’t fester over time). Now he’s a guy who played for four different teams and nobody cares about him anywhere. He ruined that, not Danny.

I hope that extra ring was worth it.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 14, 2018, 05:00:30 PM
Danny traded Ray Allen.  Let's not conveniently forget that small fact.  Memphis backed out after Danny had already told Allen the trade was done.  A lesser role?  Doc had already sent Allen to the bench.  He was going to have the exact same role on each team i.e. first guard off the bench, only difference is, one team was a contender that hadn't stabbed him in the back, the other one was not a contender that betrayed him the season before.
So? That doesn't matter. The NTC was on the table when he left for Miami. He wouldn't have had to worry about that again. He wasn't leaving Danny Ainge when he walked away, because Danny Ainge doesn't suit up for the Celtics. He walked out on Garnett, Pierce, Doc, and the rest of his teammates. If he wanted to stay, he would have stayed -- regardless of the manager and regardless of his role. He chose differently. That's fine, he's not a serf and free to choose his own destiny -- but that will ultimately cost him the spot in the rafters.
KG had a no trade clause, it didn't stop him from being traded.  Frankly, I think Doc and Rondo drove Allen away.  Doc, especially, wasn't very kind to Allen at the end, though I don't know why anyone would expect anything different from Doc.  Doc has always been a 2 faced ****.  Rondo just grinds certain people and him and Allen never really got along and as Rondo became more of a star, those two just clashed more and more.
The NTC came up because the narrative suddenly switched to, "Oh, Ray Allen didn't want to be worried about being  traded to Cleveland/Memphis/<insert place RA wouldn't want to be in>". The NTC is a guarantee against that. It doesn't mean you won't get traded, it means you have control over the process. That has nothing to do with Garnett (and Garnett agreed to go to NJ either way).
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: celticsclay on February 14, 2018, 05:05:58 PM
I am a bit confused by this raging debate. Hasn't ownership already said they would retire KG's number? Also isn't hayward already wearing Ray's number? I don't see the debate.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 14, 2018, 05:39:20 PM
I am a bit confused by this raging debate. Hasn't ownership already said they would retire KG's number? Also isn't hayward already wearing Ray's number? I don't see the debate.
It's not a debate, per se. We already knew this ownership had made up their mind the second that KG set foot in the Garden with the Nets for the first time. There's some sort of misguided effort going on to convince everyone that Ray Allen is as worthy (or as unworthy, I guess) to get his number retired.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: celticsclay on February 14, 2018, 05:52:09 PM
I am a bit confused by this raging debate. Hasn't ownership already said they would retire KG's number? Also isn't hayward already wearing Ray's number? I don't see the debate.
It's not a debate, per se. We already knew this ownership had made up their mind the second that KG set foot in the Garden with the Nets for the first time. There's some sort of misguided effort going on to convince everyone that Ray Allen is as worthy (or as unworthy, I guess) to get his number retired.

Hmm but do people not realize Hayward, is wearing his number is expected to make multiple all-star games for the Celtics?
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 14, 2018, 07:01:12 PM
Yeah, Ray bled Green, too -
Why, because he wore a JoJo jersey when he was in middle school? Come on now. He bolted this team the moment the grind got hard. His jersey isn't going in the rafters. KG's is. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

Or - he bolted for MIA as his CHOICE before Danny Ainge traded him to Timbuktu.

Come on now...this has been discussed on here Ad Infinitum.

Let's be real, here....at this rate Uncle Drew had BETTER be looking ahead at HIS "PREFERRED" destination in a few years....rather than Danny's.

LOOK - you / we can say the old tired adage - "The NBA is a Business". I get it. But i'm certain you're tearing away the threads of LOYALTY when you dangle players out there like that.

At least Ray got a warning.

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/isaiah-thomas.jpg)

You know...I so glad that Larry and Kevin got to ride off into the sunset in Celtic Green. But I realize these are different times now.

Ray made his choice and I respect him for it.

He'll ALWAYS be a Celtic, to me.

Excellent post.  You've made great contributions lately -- please post more! Several TPs coming your way.
Title: Re: Retire KG's jersey?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2018, 08:59:25 PM
I am a bit confused by this raging debate. Hasn't ownership already said they would retire KG's number? Also isn't hayward already wearing Ray's number? I don't see the debate.
It's not a debate, per se. We already knew this ownership had made up their mind the second that KG set foot in the Garden with the Nets for the first time. There's some sort of misguided effort going on to convince everyone that Ray Allen is as worthy (or as unworthy, I guess) to get his number retired.

I mean, that's fine if that's what people want to do.  But I don't have to care what these people think.

The bottom line is Garnett is getting his #5 retired and Allen is not getting his #20 retired.  That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

If anyone doesn't like that, well too bad.  They'll just have to settle for crying me a river.  Heck, I'll even buy the tissues.