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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on February 12, 2018, 09:26:11 AM
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He truly plays destructive defense alongside Jaylen.
Marcus gets over the top or makes screener feel him.
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hugely
he always brings his heart if not his shot .
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
HOW?!?!?! Please explain how a healthy Marcus helps the Celtics beat GS.
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
HOW?!?!?! Please explain how a healthy Marcus helps the Celtics beat GS.
We almost beat GS the other day without Smart.
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I think they miss his vet experience. There is a significant lack of it on the team.
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They for sure miss Smart but more so their lack of another legit scorer (Hayward) is what's holding them back. We can't count on Tatum and Brown this early in their careers in a playoff run.
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
HOW?!?!?! Please explain how a healthy Marcus helps the Celtics beat GS.
We almost beat GS the other day without Smart.
That should tell you the odds would've better to actually beat GSW with Smart
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Celtics beat INDY, DET, WASH, etc, but lose to TOR in 7, CLE in 6, and GS in 5.
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Marcus Smart on defence helps everyone because of his intensity and his ability to switch..Rozier did a great job on the boards and has some quick hands but he gets hung up on screens.
Players cringe when knowing Marcus is barreling in.
We are missing our collision oriented Marcus.
Rip his fingers off,dislocate his knee,cripple him with a high ankle sprain that lasted well into the summer.He doesn't know how to play soft.I want Marcus in the 4th quarter
He is like Mike Tyson,Ray Nitchke or Dick Butkus,
From his rookie beginnings, he has been instrumental to Celtics success .Remember him hitting a screen by Cousins.Cousin wasn't happy Marcus a kid got thrown down but bounced right back up in Cousins face..No fear no intimidation.
He uses leverage and upper and lower body strength and knows every trick in the book
.Marcus does not crumple on loose balls he relishes contact like Dave Cowens
.He may have missed a shot but we have not been performing well since.
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There is no doubt that the Celtics have not been as good since Smart went down. There is no single tangible way to explain it but I don't think there is much doubt that it is real. I think one thing he does is take pressure off Brown and Tatum. When we have Smart, we don't have to rely so much on those two.
Smart doesn't change them enough when it comes to Toronto or Cleveland though. I think we have a tough time beating either in 7 unless Monroe really kicks in.
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There is no doubt that the Celtics have not been as good since Smart went down. There is no single tangible way to explain it but I don't think there is much doubt that it is real. I think one thing he does is take pressure off Brown and Tatum. When we have Smart, we don't have to rely so much on those two.
Smart doesn't change them enough when it comes to Toronto or Cleveland though. I think we have a tough time beating either in 7 unless Monroe really kicks in.
Definitely intangibles make up much of Smarts game. Effort plays and defensive denials, etc, etc.
I also hope Monroe helps us on the front line. Looks like he may have motivated Theis and Baynes a bit.
Trying to keep expectations low for both of these guys and Morris as well. They are after all just pieces.
The starting 5 and Hayward are the ones, when healthy, that are the real keys to success on this team. They need to perform well and help out the second unit bench guys to sustain a high level of play. If they don't, it well be obvious in the playoffs. Pray we are healthy at that point.
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Don't miss Smart, team just needs some rest. That 16 game win streak blew people expectations out of the window.
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
The lack of Gordon Hayward already cost the Celtics a championship this season just 5 minutes into opening night.
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We need help off the bench. The Cavs look ridiculously good now. CBS needs to get a set starting 5 and set bench unit
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There is no doubt that the Celtics have not been as good since Smart went down. There is no single tangible way to explain it but I don't think there is much doubt that it is real. I think one thing he does is take pressure off Brown and Tatum. When we have Smart, we don't have to rely so much on those two.
Smart doesn't change them enough when it comes to Toronto or Cleveland though. I think we have a tough time beating either in 7 unless Monroe really kicks in.
I think the biggest issue is that they are thin in the backcourt without him.
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Absolutely they miss him. He's our best competitor. He changes the intensity of the whole 5 man unit.
A lot of people don't want to hear it because Smart and Baynes are our two most unsexy rotation players (not counting Semi), but these guys have the toughness, competiteveness, and defense that we need to be a better team. That stat someone posted the other day about us being 15-0 when Baynes plays 23 minutes or more may be fluky but it's also pretty meaningful. Smart is the same kind of guy. These guys don't just want to play well, they want to win the games even more than they want to play well. Yeah, they can look like offensive stiffs at times, but these are the guys you want to go war with (to use a bad expression).
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They miss the depth he adds and his defense for sure. I personally don't miss him on the offensive side of the ball at all.
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
But... he's coming back....
Besides, maybe the punch realigned his hand and improved his shot.
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
But... he's coming back....
Besides, maybe the punch realigned his hand and improved his shot.
Yeah seriously. It's not like the picture tore his acl or something. If anything he's getting extended rest. Just hope he's staying in shape.
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Punching that picture may have cost us the championship.
Seriously.
But... he's coming back....
Besides, maybe the punch realigned his hand and improved his shot.
Yeah seriously. It's not like the picture tore his acl or something. If anything he's getting extended rest. Just hope he's staying in shape.
Can't make his shot any worse!
Regardless the C's aren't winning the championship and IMO if they aren't the #1 seed in the East, they wont make it to the ECF this year.
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How many 100+ points have the Celtics given up since Marcus injured his hands?
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When is he coming back????
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It is not just Marcus but having Larkin out makes them super thin in the backcourt with only 3 guards, and only 2 of which can handle the ball.
That takes a toll.
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How many 100+ points have the Celtics given up since Marcus injured his hands?
We've given up 100+ in 7 of the 10 games Marcus has missed.
We gave up 100+ 21 times in the previous 49 games.
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Despite his gaudy numbers, Kyrie was -14 tonight, 2nd worst only to TRo (-15). Against CLE, he was a game low -19. Like a lot of the one-way scoring PGs, Kyrie needs to be covered for. I'd say the Celtics are definitely missing Smart. For now, I'll punt and say all these guys are just limping to the ASB. Not going to cut it come playoffs, though.
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Marcus Smart on defence helps everyone because of his intensity and his ability to switch..Rozier did a great job on the boards and has some quick hands but he gets hung up on screens.
Players cringe when knowing Marcus is barreling in.
We are missing our collision oriented Marcus.
Rip his fingers off,dislocate his knee,cripple him with a high ankle sprain that lasted well into the summer.He doesn't know how to play soft.I want Marcus in the 4th quarter
He is like Mike Tyson,Ray Nitchke or Dick Butkus,
From his rookie beginnings, he has been instrumental to Celtics success .Remember him hitting a screen by Cousins.Cousin wasn't happy Marcus a kid got thrown down but bounced right back up in Cousins face..No fear no intimidation.
He uses leverage and upper and lower body strength and knows every trick in the book
.Marcus does not crumple on loose balls he relishes contact like Dave Cowens
.He may have missed a shot but we have not been performing well since.
Last night it was Gorman that answered whats different?-Marcus and his bulldog defense.
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Another game of the guards (Rozier, Kyrie) dying on 1-5 screens.
Another game of the guards (Rozier, Kyrie) doing nothing to slow down the rolling big.
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It's a team sport where we use stats to analyze success.
Intangibles don't have a number next to them that sticks.
When he is on the floor Smart is the player his team mates defer to on defense. He plays hard for them and they play hard for him.
Team should be ok without him on paper, but, they aren't. Current slump relates to not much offense, but, everything on a team is connected. Sitting back and waiting for Irving to hit 40 isn't going to do it.
I think most here will agree when Smart returns? The Celtics will be a better team.
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It's disgusting how much they are missing him but it would be nice for the other players to, you know, give a little effort instead of jogging around and getting a bit sweaty.
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If he comes back and they start winning ...especially if they start winning big....I'll have to admit to being wrong. Especially if the fancy metrics (waaayyyyy fancier than the metric of wins) tell a tale
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All these articles that have come calling him heart and soul -if anything when he gets in that place he is heartless and soulless with violent strength that feels no pain.He gets to a place few in the NBA can navigate-he is allowed because he is a guard to use his strength and mass in a ferocious manner against bigger opponents
.Dave Cowens was allowed to release his furies with no concerns for anybodies physical harm because he was a small center
,Charles Barkley went to those places of carnage.
A few games ago Kyrie went on a long slide for a loose ball going out of bounds-it was long and artistic like he skimmed friction less-i applauded the performance
But Marcus ripping balls away just,so quick and with such kenetic force that it stuns the larger opponents,Pouncing or head first dives with no concern of physical harm
Time after time putting his body in front of larger players pounding, hell bent on getting to hoop
and Marcus takes it full force drawing charges.THE GUY AIN'T HUMAN it's some primal instinct.
Fourth quarter offensive rebounds surrounded by bigs,he ferociously carves space and attacks almost primordial coming away with the ball or a big put back.
He can switch onto anyone and his combination of strength and length gets him in passing lanes or for steal of a crossover.
Marcus is a defensive beast ,a smaller version of Draymond
He throws up end of quarter half court shots with no regard to stats or gets lumbered with no time on clock for rushed threes.Or sometimes in the heat, he throws up a shot too early in the shot clock -That's Marcus-so what
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If he comes back and they start winning ...especially if they start winning big....I'll have to admit to being wrong. Especially if the fancy metrics (waaayyyyy fancier than the metric of wins) tell a tale
It will be impossible to tell if it’s due to his return or due to much needed practice and rest for the whole team over the all- star break though.
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If he comes back and they start winning ...especially if they start winning big....I'll have to admit to being wrong. Especially if the fancy metrics (waaayyyyy fancier than the metric of wins) tell a tale
It will be impossible to tell if it’s due to his return or due to much needed practice and rest for the whole team over the all- star break though.
I don't think it is impossible to tell. It won't be simple black and white but if you watch the games and he is making a difference, you can tell, certainly the coaches should be able to tell.
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We just gave up 129 points to the Clippers.
Yes, we need Marcus back. He wears people down.
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I thought this blog hated smart? Make up your minds!
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I thought this blog hated smart? Make up your minds!
What if I told you this blog is made up of a bunch of different individuals with different opinions?
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I thought this blog hated smart? Make up your minds!
What if I told you this blog is made up of a bunch of different individuals with different opinions?
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I sure as heck miss someone who gave a dang on perimeter defense, that's for sure.. our guards and swing men just do the matador defense and let them right into the paint. Which causes our bigs to step up and give up the wide open buckets to their bigs or let their guards in for an easy layup. We have to have one of the worst paint defense in the league because of that, paired with our dreadful paint offense lately and it's just been brutal.
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I guess if he is perceived to turn the team around defensively when he returns we will wonder if this gives him leverage for next year's contract. Or rather how much Danny thinks it is worth if we win a few more games when he returns? It will be interesting to watch these boards then when we realize his value is even more difficult to quantify.