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Title: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 26, 2018, 10:44:49 PM
I will keep you guys updated but it did not look good:

https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/957093898307887104

https://twitter.com/HoopBallFantasy/status/957093818662191104

It's such a shame, he was having a historically great season. 

Update:

Woj has confirmed that it is a left achilles injury. MRI will determine the severity but it "doesn't look good."

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/957099025332867073

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/957099809269342208

UPDATE:

It is a torn left achilles.  The talented big man is out for the season.  Very unfortunate. 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/957106960184340480


Title: Re: Looks like Demarcus Cousins hurt his achilles
Post by: azzenfrost on January 26, 2018, 10:53:37 PM
Dang. He was solid.
Title: Re: Looks like Demarcus Cousins hurt his achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 26, 2018, 11:08:17 PM
Happened when he tried to plant on the landing. Looks like a rupture, hopefully  somehow it's not.

EDIT: the fact that it's already leaking that the team is fearing the worst suggests they already know its torn and the MRI is just to show the severity. Sucks for Cousins.
Title: Re: Looks like Demarcus Cousins hurt his achilles
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 26, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
Ouch. Hopefully it’s not a rupture. That’s a devastating injury.

Let’s hope it’s just a strain but when they go down like that it’s usually more. The video I saw he wasn’t writhing around in pain like most athletes do, so I guess there’s hope for some optimism.
Title: Re: Looks like Demarcus Cousins hurt his achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 26, 2018, 11:23:02 PM
Ouch. Hopefully it’s not a rupture. That’s a devastating injury.

Let’s hope it’s just a strain but when they go down like that it’s usually more. The video I saw he wasn’t writhing around in pain like most athletes do, so I guess there’s hope for some optimism.

Saw some clearer footage on YouTube, you can see his ankle buckle a bit when he plants. I'd be really surprised if its not a rupture.
Title: Re: Looks like Demarcus Cousins hurt his achilles
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 26, 2018, 11:24:17 PM
:(

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DeMarcus Cousins has suffered a torn left Achilles tendon, league sources tell ESPN. He will miss the rest of the season. The MRI is coming soon, but diagnosis is clear.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/957106960184340480
Title: Re: Looks like Demarcus Cousins hurt his achilles
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 26, 2018, 11:43:23 PM
That's unfortunate. I hate seeing guys get injured, especially in such severe fashion. Quite a year he was having, too: 25 points, 13 rebounds, and 5 assists a game. And tonight he had a triple double.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 26, 2018, 11:52:56 PM
Sucks for New Orleans season and beyond. A player of his size, you have to wonder what he'll look like when he returns.

Just an unfortunate turn of events all around. Injuries suck, man.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 26, 2018, 11:54:39 PM
Unrelated but I think he was averaging around 39 minutes for the past 14 games, despite season average only being like 36 ish.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: mr. dee on January 27, 2018, 12:01:08 AM
Season ending injury for his contract year. Tough luck for the big guy.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: SparzWizard on January 27, 2018, 12:06:01 AM
Pelicans gonna fall out of the playoffs unfortunately for them.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 12:15:41 AM
Now Davis is officially on the market, but should we acquire him?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Atzar on January 27, 2018, 12:19:31 AM
Awful.  Hate it for the guy and hate it for the Pels.  They have been fun to watch as AD and Cousins gelled. 

Hoping for a full and swift recovery.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CelticsElite on January 27, 2018, 12:28:09 AM
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Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: gouki88 on January 27, 2018, 12:30:14 AM
Ugh, that sucks. Love DMC (despite his... issues). Hopefully he can make a complete and swift recovery. He should sign here for a multi-year minimum this offseason in the meantime
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: jpotter33 on January 27, 2018, 12:32:19 AM
Now Davis is officially on the market, but should we acquire him?

Yeah, I’m not sure that this automatically puts him on the market, but it certainly clouds their future significantly, especially given that this is Boogie’s contract year.

And with as big, heavy, and mobile Boogie is, it might be fair to assume he’ll have an even longer and tougher road back to his peak. We’ll know more tomorrow after his MRI, but you never know. Davis isn’t just going to want to toil around on a team with no chance at competing either, depending on how long recovery is expected to be.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CelticsElite on January 27, 2018, 12:34:13 AM
Now Davis is officially on the market, but should we acquire him?

Yeah, I’m not sure that this automatically puts him on the market, but it certainly clouds their future significantly, especially given that this is Boogie’s contract year.

And with as big, heavy, and mobile Boogie is, it might be fair to assume he’ll have an even longer and tougher road back to his peak. We’ll know more tomorrow after his MRI, but you never know. Davis isn’t just going to want to toil around on a team with no chance at competing either, depending on how long recovery is expected to be.
Davis could put himself on the market like Kyrie did. Remember what Davis said this off season?  This is the final season where the team has to be competitive or he will look for greener pastures


I agree with you, this might be it. Why would Davis want to wait and gamble with whether boogie will ever be the same in a year?

Plus, boogie is a free agent. Who knows if he will even be back
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: LilRip on January 27, 2018, 12:57:01 AM
Poor guy. You hate to see injuries happen, especially potentially career-changing ones. I hope he makes a swift recovery!

Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 27, 2018, 01:01:48 AM
Horford, Brown, Lakers/Kings, and Memphis is a decent package for Anthony Davis but I don't think New Orleans will trade him just yet.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 27, 2018, 01:16:26 AM
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Sources: MRI on Pelicans All-Star DeMarcus Cousins revealed a full rupture of his left Achilles tendon.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/957130414228955136
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: keevsnick on January 27, 2018, 02:01:18 AM
Now Davis is officially on the market, but should we acquire him?

I'm not sure he is. They are six games above five hundred so its not out of the realm of possibility they stay in the playoffs which means they aren't dealing Davis until this offseason at the earliest. From there this injury complicates things. If the  pelicans decide to stay with cousins it pushes back their decision window on Davis because they have to wait for cousins to get healthy. Really i doubt they trade him unless he demands a trade, and he hasn't shown any inclination to do that and doubt he will with his teammates injury. That would be really bad optics. Its one thing to demand a trade from a team that cant build around you. Its another to demand a trade after a teammate goes out with an injury.  This may actually make it less likely they trade Davis this offseason.

On an off note if Davis is available OF COURSE YOU AQUIRE HIM. 
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 27, 2018, 02:12:40 AM
Sucks to hear. Terrible injury.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 03:23:32 AM
Now Davis is officially on the market, but should we acquire him?

I'm not sure he is. They are six games above five hundred so its not out of the realm of possibility they stay in the playoffs which means they aren't dealing Davis until this offseason at the earliest. From there this injury complicates things. If the  pelicans decide to stay with cousins it pushes back their decision window on Davis because they have to wait for cousins to get healthy. Really i doubt they trade him unless he demands a trade, and he hasn't shown any inclination to do that and doubt he will with his teammates injury. That would be really bad optics. Its one thing to demand a trade from a team that cant build around you. Its another to demand a trade after a teammate goes out with an injury.  This may actually make it less likely they trade Davis this offseason.

On an off note if Davis is available OF COURSE YOU AQUIRE HIM.
sneak into playoff and get yourself embarassed from a sweep?
I am sure that's not what he is looking for
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: blink on January 27, 2018, 03:24:19 AM
wow, terrible injury.  Good luck to Boogie for his rehab.  I hope he comes back as good as ever.
ruptured achilles is a bad injury.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: keevsnick on January 27, 2018, 03:28:08 AM
Now Davis is officially on the market, but should we acquire him?

I'm not sure he is. They are six games above five hundred so its not out of the realm of possibility they stay in the playoffs which means they aren't dealing Davis until this offseason at the earliest. From there this injury complicates things. If the  pelicans decide to stay with cousins it pushes back their decision window on Davis because they have to wait for cousins to get healthy. Really i doubt they trade him unless he demands a trade, and he hasn't shown any inclination to do that and doubt he will with his teammates injury. That would be really bad optics. Its one thing to demand a trade from a team that cant build around you. Its another to demand a trade after a teammate goes out with an injury.  This may actually make it less likely they trade Davis this offseason.

On an off note if Davis is available OF COURSE YOU AQUIRE HIM.
sneak into playoff and get yourself embarassed from a sweep?
I am sure that's not what he is looking for

Playoffs would be a step in the right direction for them. That might be enough to placate him for another yyear. Remeber, not everybody is as eager to leave behind the only franchise they have ever known to come play for Boston as we would like them to be.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 03:44:17 AM
Now Davis is officially on the market, but should we acquire him?

I'm not sure he is. They are six games above five hundred so its not out of the realm of possibility they stay in the playoffs which means they aren't dealing Davis until this offseason at the earliest. From there this injury complicates things. If the  pelicans decide to stay with cousins it pushes back their decision window on Davis because they have to wait for cousins to get healthy. Really i doubt they trade him unless he demands a trade, and he hasn't shown any inclination to do that and doubt he will with his teammates injury. That would be really bad optics. Its one thing to demand a trade from a team that cant build around you. Its another to demand a trade after a teammate goes out with an injury.  This may actually make it less likely they trade Davis this offseason.

On an off note if Davis is available OF COURSE YOU AQUIRE HIM.
sneak into playoff and get yourself embarassed from a sweep?
I am sure that's not what he is looking for

Playoffs would be a step in the right direction for them. That might be enough to placate him for another yyear. Remeber, not everybody is as eager to leave behind the only franchise they have ever known to come play for Boston as we would like them to be.
You have a point regarding people think different ways
But if i were him i will want to escape ASAP
Tendon torn from normal movement is a sign of overuse, i see Boogie and think i am the next
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: makaveli on January 27, 2018, 03:51:17 AM
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Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: makaveli on January 27, 2018, 03:56:12 AM
Obviously you hate to see anyone go down with a season ender. Now the Pelicants front office has to make some tough decisions.
If they trade Davis and tank the rest of the season, it might be a good thing for them. Say we give them Brown, Smart, our pick, LAL pick, and fillers , they would have their own lottery pick and that would be a good deal right? It jumpstarts a rebuild in an instant. Maybe they could trade Holiday as well for a youngsteror a lottery.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Somebody on January 27, 2018, 08:05:53 AM
If Ainge somehow gets AD without giving up Tatum/Brown he'll be in the 🐐 discussion for GMs.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
If Ainge somehow gets AD without giving up Tatum/Brown he'll be in the 🐐 discussion for GMs.

Yeah sure... Pelicans just gonna give up a top 7 player under conrract for 2 more years without at least getting one of our best young players.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Somebody on January 27, 2018, 08:35:13 AM
If Ainge somehow gets AD without giving up Tatum/Brown he'll be in the  discussion for GMs.

Yeah sure... Pelicans just gonna give up a top 7 player under conrract for 2 more years without at least getting one of our best young players.
Like how the Nets gave up 3 lotto picks for the corpses of stars. I trust in Danny
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: hodgy03038 on January 27, 2018, 08:39:55 AM
Very unfortunate for Cousins. Does this actually help the possibility of getting AD or does it hurt those chances? If they let him go it's a total rebuild and New Orleans is many years away from competing or will they now keep him and at least give their fans some hope of future. What about Cousins? Where and how much can he sign for with such a devastating injury? This means at best he can return at what the allstar break next year?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Csfan1984 on January 27, 2018, 08:59:15 AM
I feel there is now less of a chance they move Davis because now Pelicans have an advantage to retaining Couisns. Not many teams would sign Cousins after this type of injury to a max deal. Pelicans would.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: bopna on January 27, 2018, 09:18:28 AM
Anyone know of previously great athletes coming back from a rupture and still stay the same player as he was prior to injury?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 27, 2018, 09:23:46 AM
Get well, Big Fella.

Still young and he has a LOT of game left.

He needs to approach his rehab with the same vigor as he's approached the game. He does that and he'll be fine.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Who on January 27, 2018, 09:28:08 AM
Bummer on two fronts.

(1) The obvious one. The loss of a great player and to a career threatening injury at that. That will likely hurt his defense and quick drives / spin moves on offense. Cousins is so skilled that he will still be a 20+ppg threat after the injury but I worry about his defense and his efficiency will likely take a drop from the loss of some of those easy baskets off of drives.

(2) Now the NOP can fool themselves into thinking that the Davis-Cousins partnership can still be a success. They won't have the failure of a playoff run to show up their foolish ideas. So they will continue to believe and continue to keep Davis-Cousins together for another year or more. I cannot see them trading Davis this summer or next year's trade deadline. I think it will be summer 2019 or 2020 at the earliest that Davis is becomes available on the trade market.

On a side note, I don't think Cousins will be hurting for contract offers this summer. Heck, they gave Gilbert Arenas a max deal. They gave Elton Brand a max deal. Now the max deals are shorter and have less risk. Cousins will definitely be getting the max from someone. Probably more than one team. Likely NOP.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2018, 09:30:54 AM
Anyone know of previously great athletes coming back from a rupture and still stay the same player as he was prior to injury?

No, at least not NBA players. The closest comparison, in terms of talent, style, and age, was Brand and he was never the same post-injury.

Age - Brand 28 (Cousins is 27)
         
          Before    -     After

PPG   20.5              13.8
RPG   9.3                 8.8
APG   2.9                 1.3
BPG   2.2                 1.6
FG%  53.3               44.7


Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 09:35:26 AM
I feel there is now less of a chance they move Davis because now Pelicans have an advantage to retaining Couisns. Not many teams would sign Cousins after this type of injury to a max deal. Pelicans would.
If Cousins is healthy he will most likely stay with Davis since they seem to show some hope, and Davis will have a hard time finding reason to bolt, now he won't

And will Davis want to wait 1+ year for uncertainty of Cousins? they aren't even contending when he is beasting let alone post major injury, i see no hope whether Pilicans retains Couisns or not

For Pilicans if they give Couisns the full Max and Davis don't want to stay or Cousins can't return 100% (both major possibility) then they are doomed, instead trade Davis and get bunch of pick and suck, get 2~3 lottery talent and you can still sell tickets and have hope, definetly better than keep Davis alone
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 09:41:55 AM
Pelicans have Davis for 2 more years. Davis will be still highly valuable and he has shown he can be patient, and loyal to a certain extent. If you don't make any dumb mistakes, I can see AD willing to wait it out for Cousins for one more year.

I also don't think Cousins will lose that much. I'm very convinced that he might be a step slower, but generally with his array of post moves, skills, and body he can manage to generate fouls or score with similar stats as this year. Drop in production? Maybe a little bit to be honest.

But what can the Pelicans do if they do sign DMC for the max, and he isn't the same, plus AD wants out? Worst scenario to be in.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Roy H. on January 27, 2018, 09:53:07 AM
Anyone know of previously great athletes coming back from a rupture and still stay the same player as he was prior to injury?

No, at least not NBA players. The closest comparison, in terms of talent, style, and age, was Brand and he was never the same post-injury.

Age - Brand 28 (Cousins is 27)
         
          Before    -     After

PPG   20.5              13.8
RPG   9.3                 8.8
APG   2.9                 1.3
BPG   2.2                 1.6
FG%  53.3               44.7

Yeah, it’s not a pretty list. Dominique is about the only guy who came back with the same level of production?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: smokeablount on January 27, 2018, 10:03:06 AM
Anyone know of previously great athletes coming back from a rupture and still stay the same player as he was prior to injury?

No, at least not NBA players. The closest comparison, in terms of talent, style, and age, was Brand and he was never the same post-injury.

Age - Brand 28 (Cousins is 27)
         
          Before    -     After

PPG   20.5              13.8
RPG   9.3                 8.8
APG   2.9                 1.3
BPG   2.2                 1.6
FG%  53.3               44.7

Yeah, it’s not a pretty list. Dominique is about the only guy who came back with the same level of production?

I don't know what will happen with DMC, but I know medicine and surgical science have evolved dramatically since Elton Brand and light years since Dominique.

DMC hasn't had the easiest NBA life and I hope he comes back strong and gets to enjoy some moderate team success eventually.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2018, 10:10:34 AM
Anyone know of previously great athletes coming back from a rupture and still stay the same player as he was prior to injury?

No, at least not NBA players. The closest comparison, in terms of talent, style, and age, was Brand and he was never the same post-injury.

Age - Brand 28 (Cousins is 27)
         
          Before    -     After

PPG   20.5              13.8
RPG   9.3                 8.8
APG   2.9                 1.3
BPG   2.2                 1.6
FG%  53.3               44.7

Yeah, it’s not a pretty list. Dominique is about the only guy who came back with the same level of production?

I don't know what will happen with DMC, but I know medicine and surgical science have evolved dramatically since Elton Brand and light years since Dominique.

Sure, but recent examples like Kobe, Matthews, and Jennings haven't been positive either.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: smokeablount on January 27, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
Bummer on two fronts.

(1) The obvious one. The loss of a great player and to a career threatening injury at that. That will likely hurt his defense and quick drives / spin moves on offense. Cousins is so skilled that he will still be a 20+ppg threat after the injury but I worry about his defense and his efficiency will likely take a drop from the loss of some of those easy baskets off of drives.

(2) Now the NOP can fool themselves into thinking that the Davis-Cousins partnership can still be a success. They won't have the failure of a playoff run to show up their foolish ideas. So they will continue to believe and continue to keep Davis-Cousins together for another year or more. I cannot see them trading Davis this summer or next year's trade deadline. I think it will be summer 2019 or 2020 at the earliest that Davis is becomes available on the trade market.

On a side note, I don't think Cousins will be hurting for contract offers this summer. Heck, they gave Gilbert Arenas a max deal. They gave Elton Brand a max deal. Now the max deals are shorter and have less risk. Cousins will definitely be getting the max from someone. Probably more than one team. Likely NOP.

I'm thinking out loud here but can't you make a case that it's better if the Pels don't trade Davis for another year?  We can probably imagine the soonest we'd get him is after next season, presumably if the re-signed Cousins does not make an impact and they miss the playoffs.

Under those circumstances, the following would be true:

1) Al's 3rd year would be over and as an expiring, we would be 'free' to trade him if desired, which is big because we need a big salary to match Davis's.

2) We would know if Kyrie is re-signing.  Kyrie and AD are close and if Kyrie re-signs, it could help.

3) Jaylen and Jayson should have even more trade value.  Jaylen made a leap from the start of last season to the end, and then another leap this offseason, and Jayson is probably already better and borderline untradeable.  After another offseason and full year of seasoning, Jaylen may improve to the point where Jaylen, Al and a pick gets it done, which it wouldn't now.

4) AD should be cheaper because he'd have 1 to 1.5 less years on his deal.

5) If we get the Lakers pick, they can't angle for that and we'd offer something else, and if we get the Kings pick we can offer that and even potentially know its spot in the draft order.

Aren't all but #2 and #5 pretty certain to be good things for the Celtics assuming AD isn't available this year but it becomes a possibility at the end of next season?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
Pelicans have Davis for 2 more years. Davis will be still highly valuable and he has shown he can be patient, and loyal to a certain extent. If you don't make any dumb mistakes, I can see AD willing to wait it out for Cousins for one more year.

I also don't think Cousins will lose that much. I'm very convinced that he might be a step slower, but generally with his array of post moves, skills, and body he can manage to generate fouls or score with similar stats as this year. Drop in production? Maybe a little bit to be honest.

But what can the Pelicans do if they do sign DMC for the max, and he isn't the same, plus AD wants out? Worst scenario to be in.
Pilicans can choose to drag, but our young wing will grow and Davis will become cheaper, there is sling chance they will get even closer value for AD versus right now, like if we really contend this or next year then we won't want to trade, by then who is gonna trade value for him?

And torn Achilis is no joke, like barely NO ONE can come back to their old self bad, especially for a big man, who also depend on agility and likes to drive from the 3 line, are Pilicans really gonna bet against THIS odds? is AD?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on January 27, 2018, 10:15:39 AM
Anyone know of previously great athletes coming back from a rupture and still stay the same player as he was prior to injury?

No, at least not NBA players. The closest comparison, in terms of talent, style, and age, was Brand and he was never the same post-injury.

Age - Brand 28 (Cousins is 27)
         
          Before    -     After

PPG   20.5              13.8
RPG   9.3                 8.8
APG   2.9                 1.3
BPG   2.2                 1.6
FG%  53.3               44.7

Yeah, it’s not a pretty list. Dominique is about the only guy who came back with the same level of production?

Rudy Gay has done well since to prove your point.  Cousins mayhaveto play a little more in the post when he first comes back. I watched the game Last night and they looked good together. I was going to pull for them in playoffs. I hope we get our big in the Draft.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 27, 2018, 10:24:45 AM
Pelicans aren't going to trade Davis unless he demands a trade and that is highly unlikely because he'd lose his chance for the designated veteran extension.  The Pelicans were in a good position to make the playoffs with Davis and Cousins, without a decent SF and overall misfit supporting cast. 
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: saltlover on January 27, 2018, 10:32:30 AM
What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 10:36:38 AM
Pelicans have Davis for 2 more years. Davis will be still highly valuable and he has shown he can be patient, and loyal to a certain extent. If you don't make any dumb mistakes, I can see AD willing to wait it out for Cousins for one more year.

I also don't think Cousins will lose that much. I'm very convinced that he might be a step slower, but generally with his array of post moves, skills, and body he can manage to generate fouls or score with similar stats as this year. Drop in production? Maybe a little bit to be honest.

But what can the Pelicans do if they do sign DMC for the max, and he isn't the same, plus AD wants out? Worst scenario to be in.
Pilicans can choose to drag, but our young wing will grow and Davis will become cheaper, there is sling chance they will get even closer value for AD versus right now, like if we really contend this or next year then we won't want to trade, by then who is gonna trade value for him?

And torn Achilis is no joke, like barely NO ONE can come back to their old self bad, especially for a big man, who also depend on agility and likes to drive from the 3 line, are Pilicans really gonna bet against THIS odds? is AD?

AD is going to fetch a hefty sum... Ainge is a great trader, but AD is an superstar... Nothing short of Lakers pick, (if it conveys) and Brown will start the conversation. I think Tatum is off limits, but Brown certainly seems like a perfect fit for the Pelicans. You guys have to be more realistic and stop thinking the Pelicans are in a position of no leverage... We are going to lose some prized assets... Just like we lost Crowder, (who at the time was the best bargain contract,) Thomas, (injured but well established Allstar,) and the Brooklyn Nets pick. And the Cavaliers were already far worse in leverage, because Kyrie wanted out.

Torn Achilles is definitely no joke, I certainly agree with that assessment.

Here is a list of previous injuries DMC has faced... With every lingering injury, which is relevant due to the 'injury prone,' flag or tag that people associate with DMC.

01/26/2018   Torn Achilles
04/06/2017   Sore Achilles
03/25/2017   Sprained Right Ankle
01/30/2016   Left Ankle Sprain
11/25/2015   Sore Back
11/01/2015   Strained Right Achilles
04/07/2015   Sore Right Foot
03/18/2015   Right Calf Strain
02/27/2015   Sprained Left Ankle
01/17/2015   Right Ankle Sprain
12/26/2014   Stomach Illness
11/30/2014   Viral Meningitis
02/18/2014   Strained Left Hip Flexor
01/22/2014   Ankle
12/03/2013   Ankle Injury

And yet... He still comes back every year dominating...

Boogie will come back maybe not exactly the same, but he'll still have the ability to score down low, shoot, and pass. We all know Boogie isn't the best defender, but with AD switching on everything, he doesn't have to focus as much.

What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

That is true, but Cousins probably won't agree to that. Wouldn't it be better to get paid now, versus waiting 2 more years?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Roy H. on January 27, 2018, 10:56:39 AM
What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

I don’t think that it’s the right time for Boogie to bet on himself. 
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: saltlover on January 27, 2018, 10:59:30 AM

What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

That is true, but Cousins probably won't agree to that. Wouldn't it be better to get paid now, versus waiting 2 more years?

I wasn’t suggesting the Pels pay him peanuts for two years.  I still think he’ll get at or near the max.  Just suggesting the Pels should try to use the 10-year max as a way to shorten the deal for him so they have an escape if he can’t come back.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 11:08:11 AM
Pelicans have Davis for 2 more years. Davis will be still highly valuable and he has shown he can be patient, and loyal to a certain extent. If you don't make any dumb mistakes, I can see AD willing to wait it out for Cousins for one more year.

I also don't think Cousins will lose that much. I'm very convinced that he might be a step slower, but generally with his array of post moves, skills, and body he can manage to generate fouls or score with similar stats as this year. Drop in production? Maybe a little bit to be honest.

But what can the Pelicans do if they do sign DMC for the max, and he isn't the same, plus AD wants out? Worst scenario to be in.
Pilicans can choose to drag, but our young wing will grow and Davis will become cheaper, there is sling chance they will get even closer value for AD versus right now, like if we really contend this or next year then we won't want to trade, by then who is gonna trade value for him?

And torn Achilis is no joke, like barely NO ONE can come back to their old self bad, especially for a big man, who also depend on agility and likes to drive from the 3 line, are Pilicans really gonna bet against THIS odds? is AD?

AD is going to fetch a hefty sum... Ainge is a great trader, but AD is an superstar... Nothing short of Lakers pick, (if it conveys) and Brown will start the conversation. I think Tatum is off limits, but Brown certainly seems like a perfect fit for the Pelicans. You guys have to be more realistic and stop thinking the Pelicans are in a position of no leverage... We are going to lose some prized assets... Just like we lost Crowder, (who at the time was the best bargain contract,) Thomas, (injured but well established Allstar,) and the Brooklyn Nets pick. And the Cavaliers were already far worse in leverage, because Kyrie wanted out.

Torn Achilles is definitely no joke, I certainly agree with that assessment.

Here is a list of previous injuries DMC has faced... With every lingering injury, which is relevant due to the 'injury prone,' flag or tag that people associate with DMC.

01/26/2018   Torn Achilles
04/06/2017   Sore Achilles
03/25/2017   Sprained Right Ankle
01/30/2016   Left Ankle Sprain
11/25/2015   Sore Back
11/01/2015   Strained Right Achilles
04/07/2015   Sore Right Foot
03/18/2015   Right Calf Strain
02/27/2015   Sprained Left Ankle
01/17/2015   Right Ankle Sprain
12/26/2014   Stomach Illness
11/30/2014   Viral Meningitis
02/18/2014   Strained Left Hip Flexor
01/22/2014   Ankle
12/03/2013   Ankle Injury

And yet... He still comes back every year dominating...

Boogie will come back maybe not exactly the same, but he'll still have the ability to score down low, shoot, and pass. We all know Boogie isn't the best defender, but with AD switching on everything, he doesn't have to focus as much.

What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

That is true, but Cousins probably won't agree to that. Wouldn't it be better to get paid now, versus waiting 2 more years?
1.AD torn anything
2.AD wants out
3.Brown break out / we are contending as a team
4.Cousins recovery went wrong
Any of those happen and Pilicans lose all the leverage
they will have no choice but to take the best package avalible and it won't be a hual
right now they can get Brown and laker pick for sure, possible 2 more first rounders, and do a quicker rebuild
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: GreenWarrior on January 27, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
this is horrible.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: hpantazo on January 27, 2018, 11:10:09 AM
That's terrible luck for Cousins, just as he's entering free agency. I wish him all the best in his recovery, but torn achilles, as others have said, is a tough injury to come back to full form.

So who takes his all-star spot now, does Lou Williams finally get his recognition?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 27, 2018, 11:14:27 AM
What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

I don’t think that it’s the right time for Boogie to bet on himself.
He may not have another choice.  He wasn't a hot commodity before the injury.  Plenty of teams just don't want to deal with his baggage.  Now he'll probably miss a good chink of next season and it is far from certain that he'll be able to play at the same level again.   
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 27, 2018, 11:15:08 AM
That's terrible luck for Cousins, just as he's entering free agency. I wish him all the best in his recovery, but torn achilles, as others have said, is a tough injury to come back to full form.

So who takes his all-star spot now, does Lou Williams finally get his recognition?
I'd guess Chris Paul. 
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Roy H. on January 27, 2018, 11:15:48 AM
What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

I don’t think that it’s the right time for Boogie to bet on himself.
He may not have another choice.  He wasn't a hot commodity before the injury.  Plenty of teams just don't want to deal with his baggage.  Now he'll probably miss a good chink of next season and it is far from certain that he'll be able to play at the same level again.   

I think the Lakers would give him a four year max in a second.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

I don’t think that it’s the right time for Boogie to bet on himself.
He may not have another choice.  He wasn't a hot commodity before the injury.  Plenty of teams just don't want to deal with his baggage.  Now he'll probably miss a good chink of next season and it is far from certain that he'll be able to play at the same level again.   

Lakers and Mavs would give him the 4 year max contract faster than you can say, "Practice?"
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 27, 2018, 11:19:53 AM
Tendon ruptures of any sort are just about the worst injury in sports. Sports medicine has made strides, but strength and range of motion are going to be lost on some level. Look at guys like Victor Cruz (patella tendon rupture) and Wes Matthews (achilles rupture) - they came back, but not as the players they once were. Rudy Gay has shown promise, but he's been injured with an heel issue the past few months that may or may not be related. The real concern I have about Boogie is his size - not just the fact that he's a 7footer, but that he weights upwards of 270. He's sneakily athletic and nimble for a guy his size, but it's reasonable to assume that might never fully come back for him now.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eja117 on January 27, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
I feel bad for him. However from a selfish point of view I'm glad we're done with the Trade for DC threads for a while and yes I do think it brings us closer to A Davis
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 11:39:21 AM
Kevin Pelton says:

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Gay's example provides hope but, on average, players coming back from Achilles injuries see their production decline by about 8 percent compared to what we would project based on their past performance and age. The good news is Cousins is so dominant he can afford to decline by 8 percent and remain a very good player. Nonetheless, it's possible that this injury will rob us of the peak Boogie we saw this season in New Orleans. And that has huge ramifications for both him and the Pelicans.

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CONCLUSION:
An Achilles tendon rupture is a devastating injury that prevents RTP [return to play] for 30.6% of professional players. Athletes who do return play in fewer games, have less play time, and perform at a lower level than their preinjury status. However, these functional deficits are seen only at 1 year after surgery compared with matched controls, such that players who return to play can expect to perform at a level commensurate with uninjured controls 2 years postoperatively.

When individual sports were compared, NBA players were most significantly affected, experiencing significant decreases in games played, play time, and performance.

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So going by Pelton's 8% decline, Cousins would have numbers like.

20.16 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 4 APG, 1.28 SPG/BPG.

Yeah those are still Allstar numbers...

I still think if anyone can bounce back, it's Cousins... He has improved himself in every facet of his game, just like Lebron. If he can still manage to put up 18/9/2-3 APG, he's still arguably a top 5-6 Center.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2018, 11:53:22 AM
Kevin Pelton says:

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Gay's example provides hope but, on average, players coming back from Achilles injuries see their production decline by about 8 percent compared to what we would project based on their past performance and age. The good news is Cousins is so dominant he can afford to decline by 8 percent and remain a very good player. Nonetheless, it's possible that this injury will rob us of the peak Boogie we saw this season in New Orleans. And that has huge ramifications for both him and the Pelicans.

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CONCLUSION:
An Achilles tendon rupture is a devastating injury that prevents RTP [return to play] for 30.6% of professional players. Athletes who do return play in fewer games, have less play time, and perform at a lower level than their preinjury status. However, these functional deficits are seen only at 1 year after surgery compared with matched controls, such that players who return to play can expect to perform at a level commensurate with uninjured controls 2 years postoperatively.

When individual sports were compared, NBA players were most significantly affected, experiencing significant decreases in games played, play time, and performance.

__

So going by Pelton's 8% decline, Cousins would have numbers like.

20.16 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 4 APG, 1.28 SPG/BPG.

Yeah those are still Allstar numbers...

I still think if anyone can bounce back, it's Cousins... He has improved himself in every facet of his game, just like Lebron. If he can still manage to put up 18/9/2-3 APG, he's still arguably a top 5-6 Center.

I think those numbers are highly optimistic since the majority of examples are much smaller than Cousins . This quote is pretty accurate considering Cousins' size.


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@KeithSmithNBA
History has been very unkind to big men coming back from a torn Achilles'. Patrick Ewing, Elton Brand, Mehmet Okur, Christian Laettner, Stanley Roberts and Mo Taylor are examples I could find. None were the same after. Many were close to done. Just a sad situation all around.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 27, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

I don’t think that it’s the right time for Boogie to bet on himself.
He may not have another choice.  He wasn't a hot commodity before the injury.  Plenty of teams just don't want to deal with his baggage.  Now he'll probably miss a good chink of next season and it is far from certain that he'll be able to play at the same level again.   

Lakers and Mavs would give him the 4 year max contract faster than you can say, "Practice?"
Lakers might do that as a fallback if they can't get Lebron and/or George.  I'm not sure the Mavs would.  I don't recall any mention of them inquiring about Cousins when he was on the trading block.  I don't think Carlisle would want to deal with him at all. 
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: hpantazo on January 27, 2018, 11:58:37 AM
I could see the Nets giving him a full max contract. At least we don't have to worry about him going back to the Kings and ruining our potential pick next year. I believe that bridge is burned.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Who on January 27, 2018, 12:06:40 PM
Bummer on two fronts.

(1) The obvious one. The loss of a great player and to a career threatening injury at that. That will likely hurt his defense and quick drives / spin moves on offense. Cousins is so skilled that he will still be a 20+ppg threat after the injury but I worry about his defense and his efficiency will likely take a drop from the loss of some of those easy baskets off of drives.

(2) Now the NOP can fool themselves into thinking that the Davis-Cousins partnership can still be a success. They won't have the failure of a playoff run to show up their foolish ideas. So they will continue to believe and continue to keep Davis-Cousins together for another year or more. I cannot see them trading Davis this summer or next year's trade deadline. I think it will be summer 2019 or 2020 at the earliest that Davis is becomes available on the trade market.

On a side note, I don't think Cousins will be hurting for contract offers this summer. Heck, they gave Gilbert Arenas a max deal. They gave Elton Brand a max deal. Now the max deals are shorter and have less risk. Cousins will definitely be getting the max from someone. Probably more than one team. Likely NOP.

I'm thinking out loud here but can't you make a case that it's better if the Pels don't trade Davis for another year?  We can probably imagine the soonest we'd get him is after next season, presumably if the re-signed Cousins does not make an impact and they miss the playoffs.

Under those circumstances, the following would be true:

1) Al's 3rd year would be over and as an expiring, we would be 'free' to trade him if desired, which is big because we need a big salary to match Davis's.

2) We would know if Kyrie is re-signing.  Kyrie and AD are close and if Kyrie re-signs, it could help.

3) Jaylen and Jayson should have even more trade value.  Jaylen made a leap from the start of last season to the end, and then another leap this offseason, and Jayson is probably already better and borderline untradeable.  After another offseason and full year of seasoning, Jaylen may improve to the point where Jaylen, Al and a pick gets it done, which it wouldn't now.

4) AD should be cheaper because he'd have 1 to 1.5 less years on his deal.

5) If we get the Lakers pick, they can't angle for that and we'd offer something else, and if we get the Kings pick we can offer that and even potentially know its spot in the draft order.

Aren't all but #2 and #5 pretty certain to be good things for the Celtics assuming AD isn't available this year but it becomes a possibility at the end of next season?

Yeah, that could work. Youth develops and is more valuable. Al expiring. That could work out well for the C's trade assets.

I was hoping to see AD leave NOP sooner. He is my favourite player in the league.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
Kevin Pelton says:

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Gay's example provides hope but, on average, players coming back from Achilles injuries see their production decline by about 8 percent compared to what we would project based on their past performance and age. The good news is Cousins is so dominant he can afford to decline by 8 percent and remain a very good player. Nonetheless, it's possible that this injury will rob us of the peak Boogie we saw this season in New Orleans. And that has huge ramifications for both him and the Pelicans.

Quote
CONCLUSION:
An Achilles tendon rupture is a devastating injury that prevents RTP [return to play] for 30.6% of professional players. Athletes who do return play in fewer games, have less play time, and perform at a lower level than their preinjury status. However, these functional deficits are seen only at 1 year after surgery compared with matched controls, such that players who return to play can expect to perform at a level commensurate with uninjured controls 2 years postoperatively.

When individual sports were compared, NBA players were most significantly affected, experiencing significant decreases in games played, play time, and performance.

__

So going by Pelton's 8% decline, Cousins would have numbers like.

20.16 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 4 APG, 1.28 SPG/BPG.

Yeah those are still Allstar numbers...

I still think if anyone can bounce back, it's Cousins... He has improved himself in every facet of his game, just like Lebron. If he can still manage to put up 18/9/2-3 APG, he's still arguably a top 5-6 Center.

I think those numbers are highly optimistic since the majority of examples are much smaller than Cousins . This quote is pretty accurate considering Cousins' size.


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@KeithSmithNBA
History has been very unkind to big men coming back from a torn Achilles'. Patrick Ewing, Elton Brand, Mehmet Okur, Christian Laettner, Stanley Roberts and Mo Taylor are examples I could find. None were the same after. Many were close to done. Just a sad situation all around.

I think the evolution of Cousins game. Shooting the 3 ball, being able to pass, and handling for a man of his size will still allow him to have more success.
 
What the Pels should try to do is convince Cousins to sign a 2-year deal.  At the end of it he’ll be eligible for the 10 year max, so if he recovers he’ll be eligible for a top max deal with Bird rights.  If he doesn’t, then they’re not on the hook for an extra 2-3 years, and two year from now will be a trade deadline for them to still move Davis if it’s clear Cousins isn’t ever going to recover enough.

I don’t think that it’s the right time for Boogie to bet on himself.
He may not have another choice.  He wasn't a hot commodity before the injury.  Plenty of teams just don't want to deal with his baggage.  Now he'll probably miss a good chink of next season and it is far from certain that he'll be able to play at the same level again.   

Lakers and Mavs would give him the 4 year max contract faster than you can say, "Practice?"
Lakers might do that as a fallback if they can't get Lebron and/or George.  I'm not sure the Mavs would.  I don't recall any mention of them inquiring about Cousins when he was on the trading block.  I don't think Carlisle would want to deal with him at all. 

Mavs have always been linked to Cousins, though. Where there's smoke there's fire.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 12:41:24 PM
Kevin Pelton says:

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Gay's example provides hope but, on average, players coming back from Achilles injuries see their production decline by about 8 percent compared to what we would project based on their past performance and age. The good news is Cousins is so dominant he can afford to decline by 8 percent and remain a very good player. Nonetheless, it's possible that this injury will rob us of the peak Boogie we saw this season in New Orleans. And that has huge ramifications for both him and the Pelicans.

Quote
CONCLUSION:
An Achilles tendon rupture is a devastating injury that prevents RTP [return to play] for 30.6% of professional players. Athletes who do return play in fewer games, have less play time, and perform at a lower level than their preinjury status. However, these functional deficits are seen only at 1 year after surgery compared with matched controls, such that players who return to play can expect to perform at a level commensurate with uninjured controls 2 years postoperatively.

When individual sports were compared, NBA players were most significantly affected, experiencing significant decreases in games played, play time, and performance.

__

So going by Pelton's 8% decline, Cousins would have numbers like.

20.16 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 4 APG, 1.28 SPG/BPG.

Yeah those are still Allstar numbers...

I still think if anyone can bounce back, it's Cousins... He has improved himself in every facet of his game, just like Lebron. If he can still manage to put up 18/9/2-3 APG, he's still arguably a top 5-6 Center.

I think those numbers are highly optimistic since the majority of examples are much smaller than Cousins . This quote is pretty accurate considering Cousins' size.


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@KeithSmithNBA
History has been very unkind to big men coming back from a torn Achilles'. Patrick Ewing, Elton Brand, Mehmet Okur, Christian Laettner, Stanley Roberts and Mo Taylor are examples I could find. None were the same after. Many were close to done. Just a sad situation all around.

I think the evolution of Cousins game. Shooting the 3 ball, being able to pass, and handling for a man of his size will still allow him to have more success.

I think you underestimate the injury, we aren't talking about sprains/fractures here, it's a tendon
that even "Achilis" can't afford to tear

Kobe was what? 27/5/5? before the injury, as skilled/competitive as he is, he is basically done after that.
Granted Kobe was older, but Cousins was much bigger and also will need to take much more pressure playing his position
On top of that just image how he will handle the frustration noticing he no longer can dominate like before, i will bet money it isn't gonna go well
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CelticsElite on January 27, 2018, 12:44:55 PM
I picture it being a long recovery process.. And he wont be the same


I wonder if it was the years of harsh wear and tear that caused this
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 27, 2018, 12:52:42 PM
Don't forget, old friend Nate Archibald came back from 2 Achilles' tendon injuries.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/4492886-kobe-bryant-achilles-injury-status-return-lakers-nba-playoffs-2013-tiny-archibal
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 27, 2018, 01:12:19 PM
Even if he comes back well, the next two pelican seasons are shot. There aren’t many prime years of superstars — can Davis afford to waste his?

I do think cousins will be back. He has always been a player about strength and will, not quickness.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 27, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 27, 2018, 01:55:24 PM
Worst injury in sports.

Awful for Demarcus and for Nola.

2 more years of AD down the drain.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2018, 01:57:10 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Birdman on January 27, 2018, 02:00:36 PM
Feel very sorry for Boogie or anyone who suffer this horrific injury..and with his size and playing basketball, its going to be  a rough road for him  also hate it for Pelicans fans who team is starting to win games
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 27, 2018, 02:01:55 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?

Because someone has spent decades of their lives trying to get to this level of play and has sustained an injury that has proven to be detrimental to careers. Might not be a literal death, but it's the death of a dream.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CelticsElite on January 27, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?
apparently we're supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya for 24 hrs for cousins before we can discuss basketball
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 27, 2018, 02:04:18 PM
One major factor is how massive and heavy DeMarcus Cousins is.  At about 290, you’d think that he’d have a harder time returning to his previous form than smaller players who sustained the same injury.  Wouldn’t be surprised if his rehab involved a weight loss regiment to alleviate the weight on his lower body.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: mctyson on January 27, 2018, 02:07:14 PM
wow, terrible injury.  Good luck to Boogie for his rehab.  I hope he comes back as good as ever.
ruptured achilles is a bad injury.

This will not happen after an achilles tear.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 02:08:04 PM
Really don't understand why you guys think Cousins is finished...

Kevin Pelton says:

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Gay's example provides hope but, on average, players coming back from Achilles injuries see their production decline by about 8 percent compared to what we would project based on their past performance and age. The good news is Cousins is so dominant he can afford to decline by 8 percent and remain a very good player. Nonetheless, it's possible that this injury will rob us of the peak Boogie we saw this season in New Orleans. And that has huge ramifications for both him and the Pelicans.

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CONCLUSION:
An Achilles tendon rupture is a devastating injury that prevents RTP [return to play] for 30.6% of professional players. Athletes who do return play in fewer games, have less play time, and perform at a lower level than their preinjury status. However, these functional deficits are seen only at 1 year after surgery compared with matched controls, such that players who return to play can expect to perform at a level commensurate with uninjured controls 2 years postoperatively.

When individual sports were compared, NBA players were most significantly affected, experiencing significant decreases in games played, play time, and performance.

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So going by Pelton's 8% decline, Cousins would have numbers like.

20.16 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 4 APG, 1.28 SPG/BPG.

Yeah those are still Allstar numbers...

I still think if anyone can bounce back, it's Cousins... He has improved himself in every facet of his game, just like Lebron. If he can still manage to put up 18/9/2-3 APG, he's still arguably a top 5-6 Center.

I think those numbers are highly optimistic since the majority of examples are much smaller than Cousins . This quote is pretty accurate considering Cousins' size.


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@KeithSmithNBA
History has been very unkind to big men coming back from a torn Achilles'. Patrick Ewing, Elton Brand, Mehmet Okur, Christian Laettner, Stanley Roberts and Mo Taylor are examples I could find. None were the same after. Many were close to done. Just a sad situation all around.

That is true, but none of the players you listed have any of the offensive skillsets that Cousins possess...

With Cousins being able to spread the floor, wide body, and smart passer... I think while he won't be as dominant, he's still gonna put up nice numbers. His game doesn't rely on his speed or athleticism, although it has helped him greatly.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2018, 02:08:22 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?

Because someone has spent decades of their lives trying to get to this level of play and has sustained an injury that has proven to be detrimental to careers. Might not be a literal death, but it's the death of a dream.

You're right, poor Cousins. Such an unfortunate soul, hopefully he's saved some of the few dollars he earned for playing a sport and doesn't end up homeless.

Talk about first world concerns of first world problems.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 27, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?
apparently we're supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya for 24 hrs for cousins before we can discuss basketball

Don't have to sing Kumbaya , just have some respect for the work these athletes put in to get here and compassion when that hard work is threatened. Perhaps because I work with athletes and see how these injuries impact them, I've developed a heart.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: hodgy03038 on January 27, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
I know that we all feel bad for Demarcus and this injury but we don't need to grieve over it. We can still discuss things related to his injury. I mean worst case scenario is that it is career ending and I would take my chances living from this day forward with what he has rather than living with my retirement. He is going to get signed by someone even though he has this horrific injury and whatever he gets signed for will probably more than many of us will make in a lifetime. Yes it probably won't be the max contract he could have gotten but I am sure he will be able to live comfortably with whatever it is.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 27, 2018, 02:12:56 PM
Worst injury in sports.

Awful for Demarcus and for Nola.

2 more years of AD down the drain.
Definitely not the worst injury in sports.  People have died and been paralyzed for life from sports injuries.  Cousins will most likely be back around mid season next year.   
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 02:14:05 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?

Because someone has spent decades of their lives trying to get to this level of play and has sustained an injury that has proven to be detrimental to careers. Might not be a literal death, but it's the death of a dream.
Well i had a sickness that literally almost killed me and also make me seriously thinking about suicide for it's mental/physical limitation and frustration but i made it through, so a Achilis tendon rupture from a millionare and also one i don't specially like just don't cause my grief that much
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: GratefulCs on January 27, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
Worst injury in sports.

Awful for Demarcus and for Nola.

2 more years of AD down the drain.
Definitely not the worst injury in sports.  People have died and been paralyzed for life from sports injuries.  Cousins will most likely be back around mid season next year.
i think he means worst realistic injury. of course someone could die
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Birdman on January 27, 2018, 02:15:32 PM
Dominique Wilkins had it and played 7 more seasons..Wes Matthews and Elton Brand also suffer same injury..Isaiah Thomas had it and retire soon after
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2018, 02:19:43 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?
apparently we're supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya for 24 hrs for cousins before we can discuss basketball

Don't have to sing Kumbaya , just have some respect for the work these athletes put in to get here and compassion when that hard work is threatened. Perhaps because I work with athletes and see how these injuries impact them, I've developed a heart.

Nobody here posted that they were glad that Cousins was injured. In fact, I would reason that most feel it's unfortunate. However, you come off as really self righteous when you start calling people on this thread "tactless vultures" that have to adhere to some mythical 24 hour grace period.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 02:20:38 PM
Dominique Wilkins had it and played 7 more seasons..Wes Matthews and Elton Brand also suffer same injury..Isaiah Thomas had it and retire soon after

You should fix the Isiah Thomas or people might take it seriously...

Isiah Thomas's Q/A after the injury with SoCal Sports.

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I imagine your recovery was different simply because you weren’t rehabbing to return to the court. But just to get a sense of what that recovery entailed, can you take me through what you had to do to get the Achilles fully healed?

Well, the decision that I made was that if I was going to rehab and go into therapy, which I didn’t, to try to get back and play and everything, I didn’t want to have a cast on after surgery. Most doctors when they hear that will think that’s not a good idea. The atrophy that would have occurred around your cast and quads and the loss of strength, I didn’t think if I was going to play in the World Games that I would have enough time to still build those muscles back up.

I was under a pretty strict workout program. I couldn’t put any weight on my right Achilles because any weight on it would totally ruin the surgery and everything else. I was careful not to do any weight-bearing exercises and so forth and so on. The thing I didn’t want to deal with was the atrophy. I don’t know what Kobe’s situation was. But again, the casting and everything else is so different than it was back then. The use of plastics and everything else and air pressure casts. It’s not the concrete mold we used to get.

What do you think Kobe can take away from how Dominique Wilkens recovered from his injury?

Dominique, his game changed. He wasn’t a high flyer anymore, but he knew how to score in the post. He knew how to get to the foul line. His jump shot became better. Kobe has all those things anyway. He’s going to be able to score because he’s going to be able to still post. He’ll be able to get to the foul line. His jump shot is always going to be money. That’s like riding a bike. People will still be saying when he’s 55, don’t leave Kobe open. Don’t leave him open. Will he be as explosive as a dunker as he was last year? That I don’t know. But will he be able to score? Absolutely. He’ll be able to score. The question I think for him will always be, ‘Can I dominate?’ Most people who have played at his level, yeah you can get 20 or 25. But if the other guy is getting 40, it doesn’t sit well.

If you look at the stat sheet at the end of the day and you got 20 and 12, and the other guy has 20 and 12, you’re thinking that’s not good. If you got 20 and 12, and the other guy has 8 and 10 and struggles that night, you want to be able to dominate your opponent at his level. I think the thing that he, like most of the great ones, you really pride yourself on stopping the other guy. Most people don’t really talk about that. But when you look at Kobe, the thing I’ve seen over the years that he has really taken pride in was shut that other person down. Scoring on the other guy, you can still do that. He’ll always be able to do that when he’s 60. Would he be able to stop that other guy. That’s the thing. That’s where the dominant mindset comes in.


Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 27, 2018, 02:21:17 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?

Because someone has spent decades of their lives trying to get to this level of play and has sustained an injury that has proven to be detrimental to careers. Might not be a literal death, but it's the death of a dream.

You're right, poor Cousins. Such an unfortunate soul, hopefully he's saved some of the few dollars he earned for playing a sport and doesn't end up homeless.

Talk about first world concerns of first world problems.

Would you feel the same way if Gordon came back this season and reinjured himself?  Or if Al takes another hit to the head and develops post concussion syndrome?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 02:22:37 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?

Because someone has spent decades of their lives trying to get to this level of play and has sustained an injury that has proven to be detrimental to careers. Might not be a literal death, but it's the death of a dream.

You're right, poor Cousins. Such an unfortunate soul, hopefully he's saved some of the few dollars he earned for playing a sport and doesn't end up homeless.

Talk about first world concerns of first world problems.

Would you feel the same way if Gordon came back this season and reijured himself?  Or if Al takes another hit to the head and develops post concussion syndrome?

Well... I mean... That's the horrible part of playing professional sports that comes with it... These athletes aren't little men... They are grown men, and they know the risks they take participating in this high level of intensity.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2018, 02:25:09 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?

Because someone has spent decades of their lives trying to get to this level of play and has sustained an injury that has proven to be detrimental to careers. Might not be a literal death, but it's the death of a dream.

You're right, poor Cousins. Such an unfortunate soul, hopefully he's saved some of the few dollars he earned for playing a sport and doesn't end up homeless.

Talk about first world concerns of first world problems.

Would you feel the same way if Gordon came back this season and reinjured himself?  Or if Al takes another hit to the head and develops post concussion syndrome?

Yes, obviously. It's a sport and injuries happen. I'm a fan of the C's, so I wish them to be healthy, but let's keep things in perspective. This isn't a tragic incident and if you think it is then you might lack real life experiences. Again, real tragedy puts the difference between sports and life in perspective.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: RJ87 on January 27, 2018, 02:30:39 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?
apparently we're supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya for 24 hrs for cousins before we can discuss basketball

Don't have to sing Kumbaya , just have some respect for the work these athletes put in to get here and compassion when that hard work is threatened. Perhaps because I work with athletes and see how these injuries impact them, I've developed a heart.

Nobody here posted that they were glad that Cousins was injured. In fact, I would reason that most feel it's unfortunate. However, you come off as really self righteous when you start calling people on this thread "tactless vultures" that have to adhere to some mythical 24 hour grace period.

Tbe 24 hour part was sarcasm. Should've used sarcasm font. I do think it's vulture like to immediately try to think of ways to benenfit from someone else's misfortune, but apologies if you find that to be self-righteous.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: MichaelJ on January 27, 2018, 03:03:46 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

Why? Are sport related/non-life threatening injuries part of the grieving process?
apparently we're supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya for 24 hrs for cousins before we can discuss basketball

Don't have to sing Kumbaya , just have some respect for the work these athletes put in to get here and compassion when that hard work is threatened. Perhaps because I work with athletes and see how these injuries impact them, I've developed a heart.

Do you know him?  Neither do I.  His financial needs are met for life, that’s more than you can say for the vast majority of people on the planet.  Dreams are for children and wringing our hands over the ‘dreams’ of a wealthy athlete is pathetic.  I’m not happy he’s hurt, but I do hope that this makes Davis to Boston a possibility.
Fans need to stop acting like pro athletes are members of their own families.  Grow up.  Mickey Mantle doesn’t care about you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kFHO18vFc8o
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: nickagneta on January 27, 2018, 03:19:39 PM
Cousins was one of the slowest players up the court getting back on defense before the injury. Can only imagine how slow he will be post injury.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: PAOBoston on January 27, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
Sad b/c he was having a great season.

Over/under: Ainge called the Pels already after the injury to inquire about Davis?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 03:43:37 PM
Sad b/c he was having a great season.

Over/under: Ainge called the Pels already after the injury to inquire about Davis?

99.99% positive Ainge called Demps, to which Demps resoundingly screamed, "You think you're SPECIAL!??!"

Slams the phone with spittle cascading all throughout the room like a lost blizzard, to which Jeanne Brown waits patiently and then reponses softly, "I think he was gonna say something else."

Demps snorts in a retort conscendingly, "When you get the answer you're looking for, hang up."

Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: rondohondo on January 27, 2018, 04:00:25 PM
Would you trade Horford, Tatum and LA/ kings pick for Davis? That likely what it would take

Kyrie.      Rozier
Jaylen.     Smart
Hayward.  ?
Morris.       Semi
Davis.         Theis

Not sure that makes us favorites and wouldn't have much else to move for upgrade at PF....
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 04:09:40 PM
Would you trade Horford, Tatum and LA/ kings pick for Davis? That likely what it would take

Kyrie.      Rozier
Jaylen.     Smart
Hayward.  ?
Morris.       Semi
Davis.         Theis

Not sure that makes us favorites and wouldn't have much else to move for upgrade at PF....

I don't blink.

Would you?

I would try to target someone like Noel, but I don't know what his intentions are in the FA, to put next to Davis so he can stay at the 4.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: hodgy03038 on January 27, 2018, 04:20:28 PM
Would you trade Horford, Tatum and LA/ kings pick for Davis? That likely what it would take

Kyrie.      Rozier
Jaylen.     Smart
Hayward.  ?
Morris.       Semi
Davis.         Theis

Not sure that makes us favorites and wouldn't have much else to move for upgrade at PF....

Replace Tatum with Jaylen and I would do it.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: playdream on January 27, 2018, 04:58:26 PM
Would you trade Horford, Tatum and LA/ kings pick for Davis? That likely what it would take

Kyrie.      Rozier
Jaylen.     Smart
Hayward.  ?
Morris.       Semi
Davis.         Theis

Not sure that makes us favorites and wouldn't have much else to move for upgrade at PF....

Replace Tatum with Jaylen and I would do it.
This
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 27, 2018, 05:39:12 PM
Jesus guys, Demarcus just suffered a season ending injury that very well could be career altering, can we at least give it 24 hours before we start salivating over Anthony Davis like tactless vultures?

TP for empathy
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on January 28, 2018, 04:58:53 PM
Cousins will not be the same. It is sad. Hopefully he had a good insurance policy. He is already slow and the NBA is going Small. If I was the Pels. I would give him good money for 2 years and a Team option for Year Three. He is not going to play until January next year anyway and it will take a year to see. I would make sure he had the best Achillis people around him. I would see Gay's Doctor for sure and not Jennings. 
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CelticsElite on January 29, 2018, 06:54:51 AM
A good post

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The marathon outing may have been particularly grueling because Cousins had been pushing his body into uncharted territory. Heading into that game, Cousins had been averaging a whopping 39.8 minutes per game in his previous 10 contests. He played in four overtimes in a nine-day span.

In sum, January was Cousins’ most taxing month of his career (in months with at least five games played)—he registered a career-high 38.3 minutes per game. Friday’s game was Cousins’ fourth in seven days.

Cousins this month? He was playing approximately 80.2 possessions a night when you factor in that the Pelicans have averaged 101.5 possessions, one of the speediest in the league. More possession than other big men similar to Cousins body have played in the modern era.

After a recent Pelicans game this occurred:

"My strength coach had the nerve to ask me, do I want to lift after this game? I almost lost it,” Cousins told the Associated Press’ Brett Martel after the game. “If I had some energy, we would have fought.”

I was discussing this with my friend whom his a doctor of physical therapy from USC. He told me:

The human body has an amazing potential to bounce back. But it needs time to repair itself. If you don’t allow the body time for minor healing to occur, then major injuries will occur. That’s what happened to Kobe. That’s what happened to Cousins.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: PAOBoston on January 29, 2018, 07:54:48 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Androslav on January 29, 2018, 08:34:20 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
TP.
Years, not minutes.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: moiso on January 29, 2018, 08:51:20 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Roy H. on January 29, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: azzenfrost on January 29, 2018, 11:46:20 AM
Style of play?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CelticsElite on January 29, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.
This is the first time I've ever heard cousins doesn't play intense.

He bangs down low for offensive and defensive rebounds, he runs around all over the place To defend the perimeter on switches, and his height and weight alone means when he's playing 40 mpg no matter what play style it will be intense
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: saltlover on January 29, 2018, 12:38:17 PM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.
This is the first time I've ever heard cousins doesn't play intense.

He bangs down low for offensive and defensive rebounds, he runs around all over the place To defend the perimeter on switches, and his height and weight alone means when he's playing 40 mpg no matter what play style it will be intense

Really? You’ve never heard that before?  Is this the first thread on Cousins that you’ve ever read on Celticsblog?  Without taking a stance on whether or not it’s accurate, it’s certisnly not an uncommon opinion.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: CelticsElite on January 29, 2018, 02:20:21 PM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.
This is the first time I've ever heard cousins doesn't play intense.

He bangs down low for offensive and defensive rebounds, he runs around all over the place To defend the perimeter on switches, and his height and weight alone means when he's playing 40 mpg no matter what play style it will be intense

Really? You’ve never heard that before?  Is this the first thread on Cousins that you’ve ever read on Celticsblog?  Without taking a stance on whether or not it’s accurate, it’s certisnly not an uncommon opinion.
haha you're right. Tp. The funny thing is I made the thread the other day showing how he gave up playing for a few minutes cuz he didn't get a foul call

 idk how but I forgot he does these things
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: PAOBoston on January 29, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.
How is it not relevant? The article posted a few posts ago mentioned he was almost averaging 40 minutes per game in his last 10 games. It's pretty excessive,  especially for a big man.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: celticsclay on January 29, 2018, 04:54:54 PM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.
How is it not relevant? The article posted a few posts ago mentioned he was almost averaging 40 minutes per game in his last 10 games. It's pretty excessive,  especially for a big man.

I was surprised to see those numbers. Definitely was not a good situation
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2018, 06:37:44 PM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Well there's running back on defense and then there's what Cousins does. He kinda of saunters back on defense and that's when he isn't taking forever to get back up off the floor or isn't still complaining to the refs while standing there or walking slowly back.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Androslav on April 06, 2018, 06:50:30 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Well there's running back on defense and then there's what Cousins does. He kinda of saunters back on defense and that's when he isn't taking forever to get back up off the floor or isn't still complaining to the refs while standing there or walking slowly back.
Cousins fans (me included) and lovers (me excluded) - please note that the Pels are no worse without his contributions.
27-25 before the injury, 17-11 since he went down.
Sure, he can score 26 PPG, grab 12 RPG and still it is all worthless if it doesn't change your team's performance in a positive manner.
Empty counting stats.
I am sure that many believe that Mirotić is an inferior player (talent-wise I agree), but the on-court product is no worse.

Give the ball more to Jrue, (7 APG since February, 5,2 before)
Let AD score more, (30.8 PPG since February, 26,4 before)
Niko will space
And Gentry will know what to expect each game (no early 2 PF foul trouble, no 2 technicals, no sleeping in transition D, no getting out of shape after 2 months, no weak body language)

And you get to that 17-11

So is Cousins worth 25-30 mils yearly?
Even before this tough injury, I'd say a resounding - No.
Will he get it?
We will see, but that is a different pair of trousers.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: gouki88 on April 06, 2018, 08:40:00 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Well there's running back on defense and then there's what Cousins does. He kinda of saunters back on defense and that's when he isn't taking forever to get back up off the floor or isn't still complaining to the refs while standing there or walking slowly back.
Cousins fans (me included) and lovers (me excluded) - please note that the Pels are no worse without his contributions.
27-25 before the injury, 17-11 since he went down.
Sure, he can score 26 PPG, grab 12 RPG and still it is all worthless if it doesn't change your team's performance in a positive manner.
Empty counting stats.
I am sure that many believe that Mirotić is an inferior player (talent-wise I agree), but the on-court product is no worse.

Give the ball more to Jrue, (7 APG since February, 5,2 before)
Let AD score more, (30.8 PPG since February, 26,4 before)
Niko will space
And Gentry will know what to expect each game (no early 2 PF foul trouble, no 2 technicals, no sleeping in transition D, no getting out of shape after 2 months, no weak body language)

And you get to that 17-11

So is Cousins worth 25-30 mils yearly?
Even before this tough injury, I'd say a resounding - No.
Will he get it?
We will see, but that is a different pair of trousers.
Lol, what a ridiculous way to represent the Pels season. So much of this isn’t even based in reality.

In a world where Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley and Al Horford are worth $25m+ then Cousins is without a doubt.
To disagree with that is straight up foolish, just like the post
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: tazzmaniac on April 06, 2018, 08:58:06 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Well there's running back on defense and then there's what Cousins does. He kinda of saunters back on defense and that's when he isn't taking forever to get back up off the floor or isn't still complaining to the refs while standing there or walking slowly back.
Cousins fans (me included) and lovers (me excluded) - please note that the Pels are no worse without his contributions.
27-25 before the injury, 17-11 since he went down.
Sure, he can score 26 PPG, grab 12 RPG and still it is all worthless if it doesn't change your team's performance in a positive manner.
Empty counting stats.
I am sure that many believe that Mirotić is an inferior player (talent-wise I agree), but the on-court product is no worse.

Give the ball more to Jrue, (7 APG since February, 5,2 before)
Let AD score more, (30.8 PPG since February, 26,4 before)
Niko will space
And Gentry will know what to expect each game (no early 2 PF foul trouble, no 2 technicals, no sleeping in transition D, no getting out of shape after 2 months, no weak body language)

And you get to that 17-11

So is Cousins worth 25-30 mils yearly?
Even before this tough injury, I'd say a resounding - No.
Will he get it?
We will see, but that is a different pair of trousers.
The Pels were 27-21 in games Cousins played and 17-13 so far in the games he didn't.  They were 18-18 at the beginning of this year.  In January they went 9-3 before Cousins got hurt.  Mirotic has performed worse for the Pels than the Bulls (3pt% dropped from 42.9 to 30.8).  Might they be locked into the playoffs already if they hadn't lost Cousins? 

Before the injury depending on the team, I think he would have been worth 25M.  Especially for the Pels who don't have any cap room even if they let him go.  With the Achilles injury, I don't see how any team pays him much at all.  He's going to miss a lot of next season even if his recovery goes well which is far from certain. 
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Somebody on April 06, 2018, 09:18:15 AM
LET'S TRADE FOR COUSINS 🤣
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: kozlodoev on April 06, 2018, 09:49:16 AM
LET'S TRADE FOR COUSINS 🤣
Sure, how about Irving and Tatum?
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: PAOBoston on April 06, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
LET'S TRADE FOR COUSINS 🤣
Sure, how about Irving and Tatum?
Should thrown in Brown too as filler.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Androslav on April 20, 2018, 03:18:57 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Well there's running back on defense and then there's what Cousins does. He kinda of saunters back on defense and that's when he isn't taking forever to get back up off the floor or isn't still complaining to the refs while standing there or walking slowly back.
Cousins fans (me included) and lovers (me excluded) - please note that the Pels are no worse without his contributions.
27-25 before the injury, 17-11 since he went down.
Sure, he can score 26 PPG, grab 12 RPG and still it is all worthless if it doesn't change your team's performance in a positive manner.
Empty counting stats.
I am sure that many believe that Mirotić is an inferior player (talent-wise I agree), but the on-court product is no worse.

Give the ball more to Jrue, (7 APG since February, 5,2 before)
Let AD score more, (30.8 PPG since February, 26,4 before)
Niko will space
And Gentry will know what to expect each game (no early 2 PF foul trouble, no 2 technicals, no sleeping in transition D, no getting out of shape after 2 months, no weak body language)

And you get to that 17-11

So is Cousins worth 25-30 mils yearly?
Even before this tough injury, I'd say a resounding - No.
Will he get it?
We will see, but that is a different pair of trousers.
Lol, what a ridiculous way to represent the Pels season. So much of this isn’t even based in reality.

In a world where Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley and Al Horford are worth $25m+ then Cousins is without a doubt.
To disagree with that is straight up foolish, just like the post

I might have mixed up their record, at the time, by a game or two,
but my points, especially Mirotić one sticks.
He does impact winning more than DMC.
Jrue looks like a free-man with the ball in his hands more.
AD is AD of course as always, no player can diminish him.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: gouki88 on April 20, 2018, 06:16:41 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Well there's running back on defense and then there's what Cousins does. He kinda of saunters back on defense and that's when he isn't taking forever to get back up off the floor or isn't still complaining to the refs while standing there or walking slowly back.
Cousins fans (me included) and lovers (me excluded) - please note that the Pels are no worse without his contributions.
27-25 before the injury, 17-11 since he went down.
Sure, he can score 26 PPG, grab 12 RPG and still it is all worthless if it doesn't change your team's performance in a positive manner.
Empty counting stats.
I am sure that many believe that Mirotić is an inferior player (talent-wise I agree), but the on-court product is no worse.

Give the ball more to Jrue, (7 APG since February, 5,2 before)
Let AD score more, (30.8 PPG since February, 26,4 before)
Niko will space
And Gentry will know what to expect each game (no early 2 PF foul trouble, no 2 technicals, no sleeping in transition D, no getting out of shape after 2 months, no weak body language)

And you get to that 17-11

So is Cousins worth 25-30 mils yearly?
Even before this tough injury, I'd say a resounding - No.
Will he get it?
We will see, but that is a different pair of trousers.
Lol, what a ridiculous way to represent the Pels season. So much of this isn’t even based in reality.

In a world where Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley and Al Horford are worth $25m+ then Cousins is without a doubt.
To disagree with that is straight up foolish, just like the post

I might have mixed up their record, at the time, by a game or two,
but my points, especially Mirotić one sticks.
He does impact winning more than DMC.
Jrue looks like a free-man with the ball in his hands more.
AD is AD of course as always, no player can diminish him.
I have to disagree. Their winning has far more to do with Anthony Davis elevating his game to unforeseen levels. If he can maintain this play for a few seasons he’ll be up there with the all-time greats.

I also think part of it is due to Gentry not knowing how to work the 2 bigs.

I could not disagree more with Mirotic impacting winning more than a top 2 centre in the league. Mirotic had his best offensive game of the year and you bring this up lol. He’s a 14/7 stretch 4 with average at best defence
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Moranis on April 20, 2018, 08:43:50 AM
Mirotic is a better fit next to Davis.  Cousins and Davis are very similar offensive players, they want the ball in the same spots and do the same sort of things.  Mirotic is much more perimeter oriented and allows Davis more room to do his thing.  If the Pelicans can somehow keep Davis, Cousins, and Mirotic and make that rotation work, though, they could be epically good down low.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Green-18 on April 20, 2018, 09:58:17 AM
I know we get on Stevens a lot for his love of rotations but limiting players minutes is important. Fatigue and overuse is a problem over the course of a long season.
I don’t really see how this is relevant to Cousins though.  He plays with the intensity of a walk through.  The amazing thing is that he can get you 30 and 15 with such little effort.


I think this is a false conclusion.  Boogie ran the 7th most miles of any center this year, just barely behind Horford and Steven Adams. He was 5th in miles run on defense.

He’s still putting a ton of wear and tear on his body.
Well there's running back on defense and then there's what Cousins does. He kinda of saunters back on defense and that's when he isn't taking forever to get back up off the floor or isn't still complaining to the refs while standing there or walking slowly back.
Cousins fans (me included) and lovers (me excluded) - please note that the Pels are no worse without his contributions.
27-25 before the injury, 17-11 since he went down.
Sure, he can score 26 PPG, grab 12 RPG and still it is all worthless if it doesn't change your team's performance in a positive manner.
Empty counting stats.
I am sure that many believe that Mirotić is an inferior player (talent-wise I agree), but the on-court product is no worse.

Give the ball more to Jrue, (7 APG since February, 5,2 before)
Let AD score more, (30.8 PPG since February, 26,4 before)
Niko will space
And Gentry will know what to expect each game (no early 2 PF foul trouble, no 2 technicals, no sleeping in transition D, no getting out of shape after 2 months, no weak body language)

And you get to that 17-11

So is Cousins worth 25-30 mils yearly?
Even before this tough injury, I'd say a resounding - No.
Will he get it?
We will see, but that is a different pair of trousers.
Lol, what a ridiculous way to represent the Pels season. So much of this isn’t even based in reality.

In a world where Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley and Al Horford are worth $25m+ then Cousins is without a doubt.
To disagree with that is straight up foolish, just like the post

I might have mixed up their record, at the time, by a game or two,
but my points, especially Mirotić one sticks.
He does impact winning more than DMC.
Jrue looks like a free-man with the ball in his hands more.
AD is AD of course as always, no player can diminish him.
I have to disagree. Their winning has far more to do with Anthony Davis elevating his game to unforeseen levels. If he can maintain this play for a few seasons he’ll be up there with the all-time greats.

I also think part of it is due to Gentry not knowing how to work the 2 bigs.

I could not disagree more with Mirotic impacting winning more than a top 2 centre in the league. Mirotic had his best offensive game of the year and you bring this up lol. He’s a 14/7 stretch 4 with average at best defence

My two cents on the argument between Mirotic and Cousins.  Mirotic himself doesn't have a major positive impact on winning.  He just isn't a liability for 2-5 minute stretches like Cousins.  Cousins is out of shape and routinely has a poor attitude.  Let's pretend Cousins drops 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists on 50% shooting.  If he plays 35 minutes you could assume that his impact is extremely positive for 25+ minutes.  What doesn't show in this stat line is 2 minute stretches in nearly each quarter where he walks back on defense, misses rotations, and doesn't contest shots.  This always happens when he is frustrated and/or tired.  There are multiple videos that have been put together to show this.  It's not uncommon for the Pelicans to surrender an 8-10 point run during these brief stretches.  I would hate watching Cousins because his positive impact is frequently negated in a matter of a few minutes.

If Cousins dedicated an entire off-season towards getting into top shape then it would be a game changer when it comes to impacting winning.  His body would feel better and I bet his overall attitude would improve with proper conditioning.
Title: Re: DeMarcus Cousins is out for the rest of the season with torn left achilles
Post by: Green-18 on April 20, 2018, 10:13:44 AM
To further this argument I looked at the 5 man lineup stats for the Pelicans this season.  The most common lineup was Rondo, Moore, Holiday, Davis, and Cousins.  This lineup had a net rating of -2.9 and a defensive rating of 109.  The second most common lineup was Mirotic as a replacement for Cousins.  This lineup has a net rating of 16.8 and a defensive rating of 97.4.

Does this mean Mirotic has an extremely high impact on winning?  Absolutely not.  I would argue that he isn't a major asset or liability.  The statistics and eyeball test indicate that Cousins' attitude and poor conditioning was dragging the rest of his teammates down.  Cousins is like the anti-Horford.  He puts together monster stat lines but doesn't make his teammates better, puts forth inconsistent effort, and routinely checks out of games.