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Let's go!!!! One more game for 6. This is absolute madness.
Looks like the Pats are favored by 5.5, but there's no way we can predict what's going to happen in a Patriots Super Bowl. We have seen so many wild plays- God it is good to be a New England fan.
My 3 Key Factors:
-Gronk
-O-line
-Ability to get Lewis/White/Burkhead in open space for 4+ yd gains.
Philly's defense is very good. I'm not sure that they're better than Jacksonville. If the Pats maintain control at the offensive line, I think we will have the result that many of us are looking for.
What are the big matchups in this one? Any hot takes?
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
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Sorry for the inevitable heartbreak, Philly. But it's not like we singled you out as the one team Tommy felt like devastating in the 4th quarter.
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I've learned never to doubt Brady and Bill.
That said, I don't like the matchup. A deep team with fast playmakers on offense and a diverse group of pass rushers is scary to me. I'm particularly concerned that the Pats defense is really bad against any kind of running or short pass plays that give backs room to run.
Mostly I'm hoping that the eagles had their best game of the season this past weekend and their inexperience will show in two weeks.
The Pats defense has trended up over the second half of the season, but it feels like they're lacking in true playmakers. They were good enough against the jags, but how will they handle Alshon, Ertz, Ajai, and Co?
I dunno, but I know that having the greatest QB and the greatest coach ever gives you a really good chance in any game.
I also know it's gonna be close and stressful, like every other SB game the Pats have been in during this run.
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
my 29 year old heart barely survived the JAX game, and i work in a 24/7 operations team, yea comfortable margin please, i don't want to die early lol
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You have to admit, they sure were exciting.
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
my 29 year old heart barely survived the JAX game, and i work in a 24/7 operations team, yea comfortable margin please, i don't want to die early lol
Dude if we have another last minute SB finish, I might actually have a heart attack... :P
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I've learned never to doubt Brady and Bill.
That said, I don't like the matchup. A deep team with fast playmakers on offense and a diverse group of pass rushers is scary to me. I'm particularly concerned that the Pats defense is really bad against any kind of running or short pass plays that give backs room to run.
Mostly I'm hoping that the eagles had their best game of the season this past weekend and their inexperience will show in two weeks.
The Pats defense has trended up over the second half of the season, but it feels like they're lacking in true playmakers. They were good enough against the jags, but how will they handle Alshon, Ertz, Ajai, and Co?
I dunno, but I know that having the greatest QB and the greatest coach ever gives you a really good chance in any game.
I also know it's gonna be close and stressful, like every other SB game the Pats have been in during this run.
The Pats run D was pretty good against Jax, allowing only 101 yards, and I think Fournette's better than any rusher on Philly's roster. But they do have some good receivers in Jeffrey and Ertz.
Did I hear correctly that this NE team is the biggest favorite EVER in a Super Bowl? Doesn't seem right, as Philly is pretty good. That said, Foles isn't exactly top-notch QB material, so hopefully the Pats D can really rattle him, and hopefully the big stage frightens a lot of the Eagles.
I thought the Pats were doomed in last year's SB, and I thought they were doomed against Jax. I guess I need to stop thinking that way—they do have Brady, after all. ;D
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Smart is crazy tonight
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I do not care if this game is good. A 42 pt win with zero intrigue and all Tom Brady praise would really hit the spot.
Tom must be thinking... wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to rely on a huge 4th quarter in a Super Bowl.
I'm basically saying a Patriots Super Bowl is too exciting and too entertaining.
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I do not care if this game is good. A 42 pt win with zero intrigue and all Tom Brady praise would really hit the spot.
Tom must be thinking... wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to rely on a huge 4th quarter in a Super Bowl.
I'm basically saying a Patriots Super Bowl is too exciting and too entertaining.
400 yards and 4 TD passes for Brady in an absolute blowout would be ideal. Just crush them please
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We might actually get some support from the home city here. Apparently VIkings fans were treated horribly at the NFC championship game and a lot of Vikes fans are pretty ticked. They were also throwing beer cans at fans and at the Vikings team bus.
https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-fans-didnt-best-experience-eagles-game-180137998.html
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/01/philadelphia-eagles-fans-minnesota-vikings-tailgate-video
https://www.twincities.com/2018/01/22/vikings-adam-thielen-eagles-fans-videos-philadelphia/
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The Pats run D was pretty good against Jax, allowing only 101 yards, and I think Fournette's better than any rusher on Philly's roster. But they do have some good receivers in Jeffrey and Ertz.
They did fine on runs up the middle from Fournette, but looked as bad as ever against short passes to quicker guys (Grant or whoever).
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WHO LET THE DOGS OUT???
Don't count PHI out.
But if the Celtics are still in a slump by the Superbowl, AND NE loses? This blog will SURELY implode.
And by the way - you COULD be a Redskins fan (me :'( ;D)
So count your blessings.
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We might actually get some support from the home city here. Apparently VIkings fans were treated horribly at the NFC championship game and a lot of Vikes fans are pretty ticked. They were also throwing beer cans at fans and at the Vikings team bus.
https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-fans-didnt-best-experience-eagles-game-180137998.html
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/01/philadelphia-eagles-fans-minnesota-vikings-tailgate-video
https://www.twincities.com/2018/01/22/vikings-adam-thielen-eagles-fans-videos-philadelphia/
I thought Vikings fans hated the Patriots, like the other 31 teams.
But I guess we'll get some unlikely supporters from Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, and the Vikings lol.
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Brother in law is a South Jersey native and diehard Eagles fan. They're bringing up my two nephews with mixed fandoms; Red Sox, Celtics, & Eagles.
Needless to say, the family dynamic is going to be quite interesting for the next few weeks.
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Last night, had a brief dream that the Super Bowl was being played, and Pats apparently started off well, but then the final score was Eagles 49, Patriots 20... :o
Had to wake up from that nightmare :laugh:
This past week felt kind of stress free since the SB isn't today, BUT now this upcoming week will feel nerve-wracking and tense. Can only imagine how the players feel in this time...
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The Eagles have an elite and deep defensive line. They get interior pressure better than probably any other team in the league which is absolutely crucial against the Patriots. That said, I feel strangely confident about this game.
Was more worried about the Jags. Pats in a laugher.
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Not Pats-Eagles related, but WOW.
Alex Smith traded to Washington Redskins for a player and picks. :o
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
They said this last year, it was finally the one we could breathe through. LOL lets just enjoy the game.
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
They said this last year, it was finally the one we could breathe through. LOL lets just enjoy the game.
Me that entire fourth quarter and OT:
(https://m.popkey.co/76b7ee/LmY5p.gif)
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Giants fan here, so you guys got my support for this one. I’d hate to see the Eagles win a ring.
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So this happened. Gotta love all these stories that come out of the woodwork during SB week.
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Tom Brady has a scar on his quad from being bitten by a dog after practice. Some military members were using Patriots facilities and Brady happened to raise his arms above his head which cued one of their dogs to go at him. The handler grabbed the dog but it still got his leg.
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So this happened. Gotta love all these stories that come out of the woodwork during SB week.
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Tom Brady has a scar on his quad from being bitten by a dog after practice. Some military members were using Patriots facilities and Brady happened to raise his arms above his head which cued one of their dogs to go at him. The handler grabbed the dog but it still got his leg.
#Poochgate
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So this happened. Gotta love all these stories that come out of the woodwork during SB week.
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Tom Brady has a scar on his quad from being bitten by a dog after practice. Some military members were using Patriots facilities and Brady happened to raise his arms above his head which cued one of their dogs to go at him. The handler grabbed the dog but it still got his leg.
#Poochgate
So the way I initially saw it on Twitter, it made it sound like it happened today but now it seems like it happened in training camp a few years ago. Either way, just a crazy story.
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Giants fan here, so you guys got my support for this one. I’d hate to see the Eagles win a ring.
Thanks for your support. Now if only we could somehow turn back time and erase those Tyree and Manningham catches ... ;D
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Not Pats-Eagles related, but WOW.
Alex Smith traded to Washington Redskins for a player and picks. :o
Kirk Cousins will make a lot of money somewhere, methinks.
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Not that there was much doubt, but Gronkowski has cleared the concussion protocol and will play in the Super Bowl.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Hopefully Brady and the Pats will be able to take advantage of this mismatch early in the game rather than falling behind by 25 points like last year!
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Not that there was much doubt, but Gronkowski has cleared the concussion protocol and will play in the Super Bowl.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Hopefully Brady and the Pats will be able to take advantage of this mismatch early in the game rather than falling behind by 25 points like last year!
I have a lot of hope they will take advantage of it. Philly is really good at taking wide receivers out of games but are not very good at slowing down TEs and running backs catching balls out of the backfield. Gronk, Lewis, and White should have big games. Also see a lot of WR screens happening. Hoping for a nice 10-14 point win.
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Not Pats-Eagles related, but WOW.
Alex Smith traded to Washington Redskins for a player and picks. :o
Kirk Cousins will make a lot of money somewhere, methinks.
He will be making 30+ mil a season
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Not that there was much doubt, but Gronkowski has cleared the concussion protocol and will play in the Super Bowl.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Hopefully Brady and the Pats will be able to take advantage of this mismatch early in the game rather than falling behind by 25 points like last year!
I have a lot of hope they will take advantage of it. Philly is really good at taking wide receivers out of games but are not very good at slowing down TEs and running backs catching balls out of the backfield. Gronk, Lewis, and White should have big games. Also see a lot of WR screens happening. Hoping for a nice 10-14 point win.
That would be a nice refreshing change. A comfortable win please Bill
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Not that there was much doubt, but Gronkowski has cleared the concussion protocol and will play in the Super Bowl.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/959168518137802753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Hopefully Brady and the Pats will be able to take advantage of this mismatch early in the game rather than falling behind by 25 points like last year!
I have a lot of hope they will take advantage of it. Philly is really good at taking wide receivers out of games but are not very good at slowing down TEs and running backs catching balls out of the backfield. Gronk, Lewis, and White should have big games. Also see a lot of WR screens happening. Hoping for a nice 10-14 point win.
That would be a nice refreshing change. A comfortable win please Bill
I'd be on board with that. I don't think my heart and emotional well being can take another eke- it- out- from- behind- or- fall- just- short.
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
Come on Pats. Try to win this by like a 20+ margin and make it easy ;D
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The two Bills was flipping awesome.
Tom v Time has been really good too.
The more I think Sundayl, the more I think that this is going to be the one relaxing SB where the broadcast takes a trip down memory lane with the Patriots through the years and rings as they enjoy a convincing victory.
Prediction: NE 31 PHI 17
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I'm just hoping for some entertaining, non-SJW style commercials and for Justin Timberlake to tear it up at halftime. I hate both teams so no matter who wins I'm in football hell.
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A competitive game is all I want.
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Sounds like several Eagles players are coming down with the flu at the worst possible time:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757534-pinks-super-bowl-national-anthem-reportedly-jeopardized-by-flu?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
"According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Nelson Agholor received an IV Saturday morning after he told the team's training staff he was "feeling sick and weak."
Eagles defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan, linebacker Mychal Kendricks and cornerback Ronald Darby were also feeling ill earlier in the week, per ESPN.com's Tim McManus. "
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Sounds like several Eagles players are coming down with the flu at the worst possible time:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757534-pinks-super-bowl-national-anthem-reportedly-jeopardized-by-flu?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
"According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Nelson Agholor received an IV Saturday morning after he told the team's training staff he was "feeling sick and weak."
Eagles defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan, linebacker Mychal Kendricks and cornerback Ronald Darby were also feeling ill earlier in the week, per ESPN.com's Tim McManus. "
Jordan & Kobe both had their best performances when they had the flu.
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Sounds like several Eagles players are coming down with the flu at the worst possible time:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757534-pinks-super-bowl-national-anthem-reportedly-jeopardized-by-flu?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
"According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Nelson Agholor received an IV Saturday morning after he told the team's training staff he was "feeling sick and weak."
Eagles defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan, linebacker Mychal Kendricks and cornerback Ronald Darby were also feeling ill earlier in the week, per ESPN.com's Tim McManus. "
Jordan & Kobe both had their best performances when they had the flu.
Brady was sick at last years superbowl too.
Or was it SB49.
He also had a famous flu game way back in like 2003.
That said, I'd love to see Timmy Jernigan looking a little lethargic out there.
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The problem with the flu is the second half of the game as we saw in the 2006/2007 AFC Championship game. After that long half time break, guys are likely to cramp up.
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Sounds like several Eagles players are coming down with the flu at the worst possible time:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757534-pinks-super-bowl-national-anthem-reportedly-jeopardized-by-flu?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
"According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Nelson Agholor received an IV Saturday morning after he told the team's training staff he was "feeling sick and weak."
Eagles defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan, linebacker Mychal Kendricks and cornerback Ronald Darby were also feeling ill earlier in the week, per ESPN.com's Tim McManus. "
Jordan & Kobe both had their best performances when they had the flu.
Those guys are no Jordan, Kobe, or Brady though. Not even close.
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The paralymic champion commercial is probably the first Super Bowl commercial to maybe make me almost cry
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extra point miss!!
could be the difference
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Sounds like several Eagles players are coming down with the flu at the worst possible time:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757534-pinks-super-bowl-national-anthem-reportedly-jeopardized-by-flu?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
"According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Nelson Agholor received an IV Saturday morning after he told the team's training staff he was "feeling sick and weak."
Eagles defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan, linebacker Mychal Kendricks and cornerback Ronald Darby were also feeling ill earlier in the week, per ESPN.com's Tim McManus. "
Jordan & Kobe both had their best performances when they had the flu.
Those guys are no Jordan, Kobe, or Brady though. Not even close.
Good point I didnt think my thought through enough.
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Dear NBC. We get it. The Olympics are coming. We get it
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Wicked hit. Cooks never saw him coming.
Sometimes there’s value in just taking what’s there. Not every play has to be a highlight... Cooks set himself up for that by trying to do too much.
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No-one will take football "safety" seriously while they let hits like this one go without a flag.
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Wide open Brady. Would have loved to see him get receiving stats in the Super Bowl
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interception!
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Don't understand move to attempt FG on 4th and less than 1 from 5 but decide to go for it on 4th and 5 from the 35 while playing indoors. Thats bad coaching.
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RAM using the words of MLK to sell trucks....not sure how I feel about that at all. I'd need to know the facts
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Dear God. Thank you for Brady and Belichick and Bob Kraft and James White
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wow
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Teams have fiiiinnnnaallllllyyyy learned.
You need every possible conceivable point against the Pats. That's how scared teams are of the Pats. They're finally respecting us
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For all the things that went wrong for the Pats in that first half, being down 10 points feels manageable.
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What an average first half
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Ton of mistakes costing the Pats
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Ton of mistakes costing the Pats
Just an awful first half. They’re so lucky to only be down 10. Unfortunately playing from behind with his d is torture
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I'm pretty nervous for the Pats because this is clearly the most aggressive team they've played. They're going to have to suddenly be better than the Eagles.
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Moving the ball. Need 6 to start this next half. Hopefully they can clean up the defense.
Obviously not an ideal situation but I feel decent about our chances.
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If you're the Pats do you go for two the rest of the night or trust your kicker?
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Moving the ball. Need 6 to start this next half. Hopefully they can clean up the defense.
Obviously not an ideal situation but I feel decent about our chances.
I'd prefer 7, but this is still better than 3 or 0.
The poor play is rather disappointing.
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Worst half time show in the good half time show era?
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Worst half time show in the good half time show era?
Yeah I like JT but this show absolutely sucks
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14 unanswered would be much appreciated
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Worst half time show in the good half time show era?
Yeah I like JT but this show absolutely sucks
There were some ok things, but generally awful
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Welp this does not look good for NE.
They NEED to come out and score.
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Haven't really caught too much of the game, but I did see a bit of the 2nd quarter there.
The Eagles look like they're not going to back down. I'm kind of getting a "Giants vs Pats" vibe from this game. That 4th and goal trick play was ballsy as heck.
Worst half time show in the good half time show era?
Wait, there's such a thing as "good halftime show era"? Since when?
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If you're the Pats do you go for two the rest of the night or trust your kicker?
Trust your ST unit. It was a strength all year ride with it.
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Welp this does not look good for NE.
They NEED to come out and score.
Pretty much the offense has to bring it, because the defense is getting shredded right now. I mean they forced some stops, but it seems they're on the wrong end of just about every clutch play.
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bye the way
who's playing in this Super Bowl ?
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Haven't really caught too much of the game, but I did see a bit of the 2nd quarter there.
The Eagles look like they're not going to back down. I'm kind of getting a "Giants vs Pats" vibe from this game. That 4th and goal trick play was ballsy as heck.
Worst half time show in the good half time show era?
Wait, there's such a thing as "good halftime show era"? Since when?
It started with U2
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Brady is awful tonight
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Rob Gronkowski is my new God.
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Rob Gronkowski is my new God.
I’m erecting a shrine to him as we speak
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Well, that's how you get yourself back in the game.
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Brady is awful tonight
He's been good lol.
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Brady is awful tonight
He's been good lol.
Not as good as Foles
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Haven't really caught too much of the game, but I did see a bit of the 2nd quarter there.
The Eagles look like they're not going to back down. I'm kind of getting a "Giants vs Pats" vibe from this game. That 4th and goal trick play was ballsy as heck.
Worst half time show in the good half time show era?
Wait, there's such a thing as "good halftime show era"? Since when?
It started with U2
Truth be told, I wouldn't know. I haven't watched a halftime show in a long time. Based on what I remember them to be I've found twiddling my thumbs more interesting.
Now, if they ever decide to hold a demolition derby, that would be interesting.
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Come on, get off the field on 3rd down :-/
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Defense can't get off the field.
Thoroughly outplayed on that end.
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Game feels familiar.
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Defense can't get off the field.
Thoroughly outplayed on that end.
Yeah, defense is going to cost us this game.
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Have these broadcasters lost their minds?
That's a catch if I ever saw one. Two feet in bounds and the ball in his hands.
The NFL really needs to get their act together with all this "is it a catch or not" nonsense.
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They're going to run out of bodies.
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Brady looking unstoppable now.
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will the defense just get a stop !!!!
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Have these broadcasters lost their minds?
That's a catch if I ever saw one. Two feet in bounds and the ball in his hands.
The NFL really needs to get their act together with all this "is it a catch or not" nonsense.
Considering it seems like the majority of the time catches bobble like that they’re called incomplete, I can see where the commentators are coming from.
Was a catch to me all day, but the rules are ridiculous.
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Lol, this game. Jeez.
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Have these broadcasters lost their minds?
That's a catch if I ever saw one. Two feet in bounds and the ball in his hands.
The NFL really needs to get their act together with all this "is it a catch or not" nonsense.
Considering it seems like the majority of the time catches bobble like that they’re called incomplete, I can see where the commentators are coming from.
Was a catch to me all day, but the rules are ridiculous.
There wasn't much of bobble there that I could see. The ball can move without the runner losing control, IIRC.
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Brady looking unstoppable now.
He's come alive in the second half.
Now if the defense can get a few stops...
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Lol, this game. Jeez.
Yeah, I think the defenses may have forgotten there was another half of football to be played.
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Perhaps it's time to unbench Butler?
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Perhaps it's time to unbench Butler?
Good point. The DBs must be exhausted
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Now that is bad ass SuperBowl commercial.
My two fav players!
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need the defense to step up....stop them !!!!
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Rob Gronkowski is my new God.
I’m erecting a shrine to him as we speak
That second TD catch. Brady just tosses it up and says, "Go get it, Gronk."
Amazing.
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Im hoping Pats win .....for the sake of sanity on this blog
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anyone know the deal with Butler?
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Wow, that was another ballsy play call right there on 4th down.
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Looks like Brady's heroics are going to be needed as the game winds down once again. Right where he wants to be. I'd be terrified if I was an Eagles fan. They have not been able to stop Brady at all in the 2nd half.
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anyone know the deal with Butler?
He was hospitalized earlier in the week with sickness (flu?)
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Looks like Brady's heroics are going to be needed as the game winds down once again. Right where he wants to be. I'd be terrified if I was an Eagles fan. They have not been able to stop Brady at all in the 2nd half.
2 more firsts and Brady doesn't touch the ball again
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Ugh.
Time to dial up a well timed strip sack. {as if}
I don't like how this is going....
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Looks like Brady's heroics are going to be needed as the game winds down once again. Right where he wants to be. I'd be terrified if I was an Eagles fan. They have not been able to stop Brady at all in the 2nd half.
2 more firsts and Brady doesn't touch the ball again
Yeah. Will be a FG to win it for Philly.
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Big mistake by the eagles receiver going out of bounds there.
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I mean, the guy catches the ball, turns, runs up field, dives, and extends the ball.
That's a catch. If the rules say otherwise, the rules need to be changed.
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Sounds like the right call. He had possession and the ball broke the plane before it came loose.
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Well, the Pats have two minutes, and one timeout left.
In prior SBs, sometimes it is enough (thanks J White and D Amendola), sometimes not (looking at you Wes Welker).
Let's buckle up and see what happens...
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Well, the Pats have two minutes, and one timeout left.
In prior SBs, sometimes it is enough (thanks J White and D Amendola), sometimes not (looking at you Wes Welker).
Let's buckle up and see what happens...
Welp. Game over.
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****
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OMG....
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game
eagles
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Should have run the ball there. Only 4 in the box
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Well, I wouldn't have guessed that's how it's going to end...
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great game anyhow shame somebody got to loose
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Well, I wouldn't have guessed that's how it's going to end...
I don't think it's over yet. That Philly receiver not staying in bounds gave the Pats the 1 extra timeout they needed to possibly get the ball back here.
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Kevin Seifart had this incredibly insightful thing to say
"How do you beat the Patriots? You get to Tom Brady. The Eagles are going to win the Super Bowl after notching their first sack of the game."
https://twitter.com/SeifertESPN/status/960348534858964992
I bet every other team in the NFL is now thinking "Ooooooh, we just needed to sack the QB.... Noooow we know...."
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Well, I wouldn't have guessed that's how it's going to end...
I don't think it's over yet. That Philly receiver not staying in bounds gave the Pats the 1 extra timeout they needed to possibly get the ball back here.
Okay, technically you are right, its not over..... But, come on.
That stupid decision to try and kick a FG with 4th and 1 deep in Philly territory....
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
Hahaha, aren't you the one that wanted to trade Brady for Ryan about 5 seasons ago?
:)
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
Hahaha, aren't you the one that wanted to trade Brady for Ryan about 5 seasons ago?
:)
No. When he played as horrid as this I said we should see what we can get.
I'm the one that called the end of Marcus Smart a year before it happened.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
Hahaha, aren't you the one that wanted to trade Brady for Ryan about 5 seasons ago?
:)
Ryan?
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cant let up 41 points and expect to win
welp at least the celtics won
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
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Outplayed outcoached
That was the story here
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What a pathetic defensive performance all game. What a joke
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Major props to Foles.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
What game were you watching?
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
Hahaha, aren't you the one that wanted to trade Brady for Ryan about 5 seasons ago?
:)
Ryan?
Falcons Matt Ryan. Thought you were hoping for a first or two and Matt Ryan in exchange for Brady.
If it wasn't you, my bad. Even if it was you, no harm.
Okay, on to next season....
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Congrats Eagles!!!
I hate, hate, hate the Eagles. But their fans deserved this one. And that's not easy to say as a Giants fan.
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What a pathetic defensive performance all game. What a joke
Well yeah. No stops, no win. But then again, Eric Rowe and Jordan Richards were playing there.
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Major props to Foles.
i don't watch football ....but i was shocked how good he played .
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
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Give super bowl mvp to Brady
T. Brady
28-48, 505 YDS, 3 TD
N. Foles
28-43, 373 YDS, 3 TD, 1 INT
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should the jaguars trade for foles?
they need a QB and wentz will be back
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credit for this win goes to Philly's HC for a couple of gutsy calls that you need to beat the Patriots.
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Congrats Philly! Way to keep my Steelers #1 in SB victories!! ;D ;D
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Major props to Foles.
i don't watch football ....but i was shocked how good he played .
I don't know why the entire New England he was some sort of Ryan Mallett proportions scrub. The guy was a Pro Bowler in 2013 and and had a 120 QBR.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
Pretty much. Brady had a great game, so did Gronk. The defense was downright awful though, and the Eagles coaching staff out coached the Patriots. They were more creative and took more risks, and it payed off.
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If brady doesn't win super bowl mvp, its rigged
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If brady doesn't win super bowl mvp, its rigged
IDK about rigged. Brady had more yards, but Foles led the game winning drive.
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My religion has been disturbed.
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what happened to the defense????
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
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Now it's time to watch the new CLOVERFIELD movie which is now available to watch on Netflix! (it was available to watch today after the game)
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If brady doesn't win super bowl mvp, its rigged
IDK about rigged. Brady had more yards, but Foles led the game winning drive.
Foles also had a TD catch.
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Forgotten coaching fail of the game:
mid 4th quarter, our D is actually playing well, and BB inexplicably calls TO on a Philly 3rd and 6. Philly of course converts, and we don't have enough time at the end.
BB did this a lot during the 2005-2012 years when we won nothing. Almost every time it led to a 1st down. Momentum > schemes. Pure ego.
Haven't seen it much in recent years. Sad to see it again tonight. Apparently he never learned the lesson not to disrupt the D when they are playing intuitively and well.
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what happened to the defense????
This really makes you feel better about losing Patricia doesnt it. Flo will be just as good.
Defense needs some talent. Get me a linebacker in the first round. Get me a pass rusher in the 2nd. Draft a QB with your other second rounder and use your 3rd round pick on a project LT.
Resign Solder for a year or. Bring Burkhead back.
Malcom Butler and Lewis are gone.
Maybe you trade Cooks to get his contract off the books.
Team should be heavy favorites to come out of the AFC again and the show goes on.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
Hahaha, aren't you the one that wanted to trade Brady for Ryan about 5 seasons ago?
:)
Ryan?
Falcons Matt Ryan. Thought you were hoping for a first or two and Matt Ryan in exchange for Brady.
If it wasn't you, my bad. Even if it was you, no harm.
Okay, on to next season....
I'd be interested if you could go find that. I think I said we should look around.
Roy suggested if we could get both Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews we could do that.
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If brady doesn't win super bowl mvp, its rigged
IDK about rigged. Brady had more yards, but Foles led the game winning drive.
Foles also had a TD catch.
Now all he needs is a job next year.
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If brady doesn't win super bowl mvp, its rigged
IDK about rigged. Brady had more yards, but Foles led the game winning drive.
Foles also had a TD catch.
That play call ranks up there with the best of them in SB history.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
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Don’t think I’ll miss Patricia
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
At the very least critical mistakes and unforced ones
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
It’s only audacity when you’re laughably incorrect
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Brady went for over 500 yds, had 3 TDs and they Pats did not punt once. He did his job. Pats defense let them down, especially their DBs. Butler has not been great but he is not Eric Rowe bad.
Two missed kicks hurt too and I think they got the Clement TD call wrong. You could see the ball move but it was not glaring so they went with the call on the field.
Last note, if you watch the hail mary from the end zone angle you will see that a DB clearly popped Hogan at about the 20 yard line. That should have been a penalty and another untimed down. Still very unlikely that they pulled off the hail mary though.
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The defense panicked.
They have a history of it in the first half of recent playoff games. The Ravens divisional game in 2014. The Broncos 2015 AFCCG against a cooked Peyton Manning. The SB against the Falcons last year. The Titans and Jags games this year.
Is it the personnel or the coaching? Why can they suddenly not tackle, and are reacting to the other team a half-second late?
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Brutal loss.
But congrats to Philly. They came to play and deserved it.
But WHY did they sit Malcolm Butler!?!?! Wow... >:(
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Don’t think I’ll miss Patricia
TP, me neither.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
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The defense can walk home from Minnesota.
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Don’t think I’ll miss Patricia
TP, me neither.
Agree. Way too often this D has panicked in the first half of playoff games. That falls on the coaching staff. Not even Brady can dig out of some of these holes.
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The defense panicked.
They have a history of it in the first half of recent playoff games. The Ravens divisional game in 2014. The Broncos 2015 AFCCG against a cooked Peyton Manning. The SB against the Falcons last year. The Titans and Jags games this year.
Is it the personnel or the coaching? Why can they suddenly not tackle, and are reacting to the other team a half-second late?
it has to be coaching. Someone up top is spooking them.. They all seem to get the Fultz yips every time
Lets hope they spend every draft pick on DBs, DT, maybe SS and any other defensive positions
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The defense can walk home from Minnesota.
Or better yet, they can stay there
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The defense can walk home from Minnesota.
Or better yet, they can stay there
Voting yes here
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If brady doesn't win super bowl mvp, its rigged
IDK about rigged. Brady had more yards, but Foles led the game winning drive.
Foles also had a TD catch.
That play call ranks up there with the best of them in SB history.
It would seem more impressive if it didn't come right after the Patriots tried the same thing on the previous series. They were on the 1 yard line - it was gutsy, but the Patriots weren't ever going to hold the Eagles to less than 1 yard no matter what the Eagles did there.
The two touchdowns that weren't overturned for the Eagles seemed like they should have been. Regardless of what you think a catch is, both of those plays have been pretty commonly called as 'drops' throughout the season.
Horrible defensive effort - zero pressure on Foles, gave up endless 3rd and 4th down conversions. TB had an amazing game, but go figure that he completely blows it (along with Shaq Mason) when it mattered most.
Next year we should have Hightower, Edelman, and Cooks back. No reason we can't make another trip to the SB, but the defense needs to improve.
tl;dr - total bummer...
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HAHA TY Philly! Next season I will want you along with everyone else to lose and Bucs win!!
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Am I the only one thinking this loss doesn't sting Much? The 4th and 5th Superbowl win cemented bradys legacy and so this is sort of house money to me
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We punted 0 times, turned it over 1 time and lost.
yikes @Defense
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
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Am I the only one thinking this loss doesn't sting Much? The 4th and 5th Superbowl win cemented bradys legacy and so this is sort of house money to me
I said something along these lines before the game and was nice and relaxed. Then the game started and there went me being relaxed. Of course I am disappointed with the loss but I am not that upset about it and I think that is because of the other 5 rings.
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Am I the only one thinking this loss doesn't sting Much? The 4th and 5th Superbowl win cemented bradys legacy and so this is sort of house money to me
yeah I mean every year of Brady's prime is so precious. It could easily be 20 years before we get back to this point.
But at the same time, I havent been this OK with a loss in the playoffs in as long as I can remember.
In the Brady era I feel like every single loss has been more of a gut punch than this one.
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Am I the only one thinking this loss doesn't sting Much? The 4th and 5th Superbowl win cemented bradys legacy and so this is sort of house money to me
I feel that way a little. Seeing the mortal enemies of the Steelers, Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins get their first is about as ok a loss as I can ask for
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Am I the only one thinking this loss doesn't sting Much? The 4th and 5th Superbowl win cemented bradys legacy and so this is sort of house money to me
I said something along these lines before the game and was nice and relaxed. Then the game started and there went me being relaxed. Of course I am disappointed with the loss but I am not that upset about it and I think that is because of the other 5 rings.
exactly. And I have the utmost confidence Brady will appear yet again in the superbowl. Lets bolster that defense and get back here
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Am I the only one thinking this loss doesn't sting Much? The 4th and 5th Superbowl win cemented bradys legacy and so this is sort of house money to me
That’s how I feel. The part that hurts is how winnable this game was, but the d was so bad...
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is hilarious
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No worries, NE.
You'll be right back here next year, good health willing.
If my Washington Redskins just make the PLAYOFFS I'll be happy.
#perspective
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It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
Except I'm not a Pats fan, and don't really care about Brady at all. He had a great game. I guess he maybe could have made a few more plays, but the loss is not on him in any way.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is hilarious
Who had the better game? Brady or the backup QB? Who had the better coaching staff? Who had the better receivers?
How many times was Brady sacked?
Foles outplayed Brady with a lesser supporting cast.
Outplayed. Outcoached. It's ok to realize that and admit it.
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It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
Except I'm not a Pats fan, and don't really care about Brady at all. He had a great game. I guess he maybe could have made a few more plays, but the loss is not on him in any way.
I'm not saying he had the worst game of all time or anything. But he didn't do his job and got outplayed by Foles despite having the better supporting cast. It happens.
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Gostkowski got outplayed by a rookie too. Can I say that or are people going to point to the kicks he made?
Wow. Both kickers were from Memphis.
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Am I the only one thinking this loss doesn't sting Much? The 4th and 5th Superbowl win cemented bradys legacy and so this is sort of house money to me
That’s how I feel. The part that hurts is how winnable this game was, but the d was so bad...
It's almost like when you don't play a Pro Bowl DB your defense suffers.
Can't wait to hear the explanation on this
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is hilarious
Who had the better game? Brady or the backup QB? Who had the better coaching staff? Who had the better receivers?
How many times was Brady sacked?
Foles outplayed Brady with a lesser supporting cast.
Outplayed. Outcoached. It's ok to realize that and admit it.
Being hilariously wrong is bad enough. Being condescending about it really doesn't help
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is hilarious
Who had the better game? Brady or the backup QB? Who had the better coaching staff? Who had the better receivers?
How many times was Brady sacked?
Foles outplayed Brady with a lesser supporting cast.
Outplayed. Outcoached. It's ok to realize that and admit it.
Being hilariously wrong is bad enough. Being condescending about it really doesn't help
Not answering the question doesn't really convince anyone either.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats lost and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is hilarious
Who had the better game? Brady or the backup QB? Who had the better coaching staff? Who had the better receivers?
How many times was Brady sacked?
Foles outplayed Brady with a lesser supporting cast.
Outplayed. Outcoached. It's ok to realize that and admit it.
Brady had the better game. Team had 613 yards of offense and scored 33 points.
This game had the most total yards of any game ever. Not in playoff history, but NFL history.
ST sucked, defense couldnt get off the field. Pederson outcoached Bill.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
Who played better? Foles or Brady? Who had the better supporting cast?
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It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
Except I'm not a Pats fan, and don't really care about Brady at all. He had a great game. I guess he maybe could have made a few more plays, but the loss is not on him in any way.
I'm not saying he had the worst game of all time or anything. But he didn't do his job and got outplayed by Foles despite having the better supporting cast. It happens.
You do realize that Foles pkays against the NE defense and Brady against the Philly defense, right? Foles doesn't play against Brady. In football it is possible for both QBs to play unbelievably good football and not have one QB outpkay the other because each defense sucked. You do realuze that tgat is not only possible but is exactly what happened here.
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For all you patriots fans who think it was Brady's fault you guys lost, all I can say is that isn't the case at all. I am not a Pats fan, and not a Brady fan, but Brady completely diced up Philly that whole 2nd half. Pats defense had a hard time stopping Philly. But every team that has played Philly has had a hard time in the playoffs. I think some of the Pats fans have got to the point where if they don't win the Super Bowl somehow someone really sucks on their team and they need someone to blame. Sometimes the other team just plays an outstanding game and rises above. That is what happened today with Foles.
Let me tell you it was a very close game, very entertaining and a slugfest. The patriots kept coming back when you think Philly is going to pull away. Brady is hands down the greatest QB of all time. Philly was shaking in their boots on the drive that the Pats took the lead. This is coming from, I am embarrassed to say a lot now, a dolphins fan.
If you are a pats fan, why dont you just tip your hat to Nick Foles and say good job kid, you beat the best QB ever in the biggest game of the year. It's not like BB and TB are going anywhere. They will be favorites to make the superbowl next year as well.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats lost and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
TP, couldn't have said it better myself
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
That this was what you took away from nick's response really confirms your last line
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500 passing yards and 3 passing TDs by Brady.
The culprit for the Patriots loss was a Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty defense and Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty defensive gameplan. I am also questioning why Butler was benched in the biggest game of the season. BB's ego may have led us straight into this loss.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
That this was what you took away from nick's response really confirms your last line
So you guys think Brady and Belichick think he played a great game? He had all day to find the best receivers in the game and didn't find them. Then lost a fumble with the game on the line.
Not really a great game.
Yes the defense did worse. Brady can still have a bad game.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
Who played better? Foles or Brady? Who had the better supporting cast?
Brady and Foles played outstanding in their own rights. Brady literally had better stats. I would say that neither outplayed the other. Foles team won but Brady had the better statistical game.
Who had thw better supporting cast? Oh I don't know the Pats were missing their best WR in Edelman, their second best receiver, Cooks went out with a concussion early, their best defensive player, Hightower wasn't playing, for reasons only Belichick knows(perhaps he had the flu), the Pats best DB didn't play. I think a good case can be made that Foles had the better supporting cast.
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Pats defense was putrid
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
Who played better? Foles or Brady? Who had the better supporting cast?
Brady and Foles played outstanding in their own rights. Brady literally had better stats. I would say that neither outplayed the other. Foles team won but Brady had the better statistical game.
Who had thw better supporting cast? Oh I don't know the Pats were missing their best WR in Edelman, their second best receiver, Cooks went out with a concussion early, their best defensive player, Hightower wasn't playing, for reasons only Belichick knows(perhaps he had the flu), the Pats best DB didn't play. I think a good case can be made that Foles had the better supporting cast.
Don't let that stand in the way of eja's irrationality!
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
Who played better? Foles or Brady? Who had the better supporting cast?
Brady and Foles played outstanding in their own rights. Brady literally had better stats. I would say that neither outplayed the other. Foles team won but Brady had the better statistical game.
Who had thw better supporting cast? Oh I don't know the Pats were missing their best WR in Edelman, their second best receiver, Cooks went out with a concussion early, their best defensive player, Hightower wasn't playing, for reasons only Belichick knows(perhaps he had the flu), the Pats best DB didn't play. I think a good case can be made that Foles had the better supporting cast.
A bunch of yards doesn't really mean a ton in an uptempo game like this and throwing it up for Gronk to make an absolute miracle catch doesn't exactly mean you made a great play.
At least admit Brady wishes he could have this back, could have a bunch of plays back, and Foles doesn't feel that way even a little bit.
I'll admit Brady isn't in the top 3 reasons they lost.
I'd place several things higher.
In no order
BB
Gostkowski/fg unit
the defense in general (no sacks I think. Only one TO against a back up)
Defensive game plan
Maybe Malcolm Butler, not sure
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So what happens to butler? He was on a 1 yr deal. He was crying during the anthem. Didn't play. Any possibility he returns?
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So what happens to butler? He was on a 1 yr deal. He was crying during the anthem. Didn't play. Any possibility he returns?
He should call Smart and maybe by some chance they can get a two for deal if they happen to end up in the same city
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
Who played better? Foles or Brady? Who had the better supporting cast?
Brady and Foles played outstanding in their own rights. Brady literally had better stats. I would say that neither outplayed the other. Foles team won but Brady had the better statistical game.
Who had thw better supporting cast? Oh I don't know the Pats were missing their best WR in Edelman, their second best receiver, Cooks went out with a concussion early, their best defensive player, Hightower wasn't playing, for reasons only Belichick knows(perhaps he had the flu), the Pats best DB didn't play. I think a good case can be made that Foles had the better supporting cast.
McCourty, Chung and Gilmore are all better than Butler. Harmon might be too.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
eja...you're a pretty intelligent guy but this is some of the least football educated and least football informed stuff I have seen in some time and am surprised its coming from you.
Yes, QBs throw it to a place where only their player can make a play on the ball so that if he does catch it great, and if not, you get to play the next down because you didn't turn it over. Sometimes that's throwing the ball out of bounds where maybe only your player had a chance to catch it over the back shoulder, sometimes thats throwing the ball real low where maybe your man scoops it off the turf. But in both cases its so only your team had a chance to catch it and not the other team. Brady did this a bunch tonight because he dudn't have time in the pocket or because no one was open or both. You throw the incompletion and live to pkay another down.
That's not rocket science. That's high school QB 101.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
That this was what you took away from nick's response really confirms your last line
So you guys think Brady and Belichick think he played a great game? He had all day to find the best receivers in the game and didn't find them. Then lost a fumble with the game on the line.
Not really a great game.
Yes the defense did worse. Brady can still have a bad game.
The Patriots didn’t punt once. The play that Brady lost the ball, Philly got to him with a three man rush. Gostowski left 4 points on the board. There’s not much more Brady could have done.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
Who played better? Foles or Brady? Who had the better supporting cast?
Brady and Foles played outstanding in their own rights. Brady literally had better stats. I would say that neither outplayed the other. Foles team won but Brady had the better statistical game.
Who had thw better supporting cast? Oh I don't know the Pats were missing their best WR in Edelman, their second best receiver, Cooks went out with a concussion early, their best defensive player, Hightower wasn't playing, for reasons only Belichick knows(perhaps he had the flu), the Pats best DB didn't play. I think a good case can be made that Foles had the better supporting cast.
A bunch of yards doesn't really mean a ton in an uptempo game like this and throwing it up for Gronk to make an absolute miracle catch doesn't exactly mean you made a great play.
At least admit Brady wishes he could have this back, could have a bunch of plays back, and Foles doesn't feel that way even a little bit.
I'll admit Brady isn't in the top 3 reasons they lost.
I'd place several things higher.
In no order
BB
Gostkowski/fg unit
the defense in general (no sacks I think. Only one TO against a back up)
Defensive game plan
Maybe Malcolm Butler, not sure
Every professional athlete who loses always wishes they could have a play or two back to do different. It doesn't mean they didn't play outstanding. It just means they wish they could have played better. But sonetimes, no matter how good you play, you just get beat. That's what happened with Brady today. Played unreal. 40 year old guy, 505 yards passing, 3 TDs, zero interceptions. Brought his team from 10 down to take a lead in the 4th quarter of a SB and just came up a bit short. That's not playing poorly or getting outplayed by the other QB. That's the stuff of legends.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
Who played better? Foles or Brady? Who had the better supporting cast?
Brady and Foles played outstanding in their own rights. Brady literally had better stats. I would say that neither outplayed the other. Foles team won but Brady had the better statistical game.
Who had thw better supporting cast? Oh I don't know the Pats were missing their best WR in Edelman, their second best receiver, Cooks went out with a concussion early, their best defensive player, Hightower wasn't playing, for reasons only Belichick knows(perhaps he had the flu), the Pats best DB didn't play. I think a good case can be made that Foles had the better supporting cast.
McCourty, Chung and Gilmore are all better than Butler. Harmon might be too.
Don't agree with that. Chung and McCourty are safeties not DBs. Harmon is pretty much a safety too though plays some nickelback. And I think Butler is better than Gilmore. So my opinion, Butler is their best DB, especially in coverage. Though others may think differently
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
eja...you're a pretty intelligent guy but this is some of the least football educated and least football informed stuff I have seen in some time and am surprised its coming from you.
Yes, QBs throw it to a place where only their player can make a play on the ball so that if he does catch it great, and if not, you get to play the next down because you didn't turn it over. Sometimes that's throwing the ball out of bounds where maybe only your player had a chance to catch it over the back shoulder, sometimes thats throwing the ball real low where maybe your man scoops it off the turf. But in both cases its so only your team had a chance to catch it and not the other team. Brady did this a bunch tonight because he dudn't have time in the pocket or because no one was open or both. You throw the incompletion and live to pkay another down.
That's not rocket science. That's high school QB 101.
Hm. The GOAT who only got sacked once tonight didn't have enough time in the pocket. Maybe that explains when he threw a screen pass into the dirt. Nobody's open...so throw it in the dirt. Hm. Very interesting.
I also find it interesting that on this thread I'm ridiculous for being a Brady hater but on the other thread I'm ridiculous saying Brady could lead an all time Patriots team to beat an all time team against the field.
I'm just always so ridiculous.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
eja...you're a pretty intelligent guy but this is some of the least football educated and least football informed stuff I have seen in some time and am surprised its coming from you.
Yes, QBs throw it to a place where only their player can make a play on the ball so that if he does catch it great, and if not, you get to play the next down because you didn't turn it over. Sometimes that's throwing the ball out of bounds where maybe only your player had a chance to catch it over the back shoulder, sometimes thats throwing the ball real low where maybe your man scoops it off the turf. But in both cases its so only your team had a chance to catch it and not the other team. Brady did this a bunch tonight because he dudn't have time in the pocket or because no one was open or both. You throw the incompletion and live to pkay another down.
That's not rocket science. That's high school QB 101.
Hm. The GOAT who only got sacked once tonight didn't have enough time in the pocket. Maybe that explains when he threw a screen pass into the dirt. Nobody's open...so throw it in the dirt. Hm. Very interesting.
I also find it interesting that on this thread I'm ridiculous for being a Brady hater but on the other thread I'm ridiculous saying Brady could lead an all time Patriots team to beat an all time team against the field.
I'm just always so ridiculous.
Well....in actuality....yeah, both opinions are pretty ridiculous. TP. 😄
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I've watched every game of Brady's career. This was one of the best I've ever seen him play. It's a shame the team was not good enough to get the win tonight.
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As I've been saying over on Pats Pulpit, the offense was far from perfect—left way too many points off the board in the first half—but this loss is probably 95% on the defense.
That said, I have no idea why Brady didn't throw to the open man in the right flat on that fumble. I think it was White, but whoever it was, he was WIDE open, and Brady seemed hellbent on throwing deep. And it seemed like Brady didn't see the defensive player about to hit him, even though the guy wasn't coming from the blind side, which seemed weird. I wish he'd just tucked the ball, taken the sack, and lived to fight another play.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
eja...you're a pretty intelligent guy but this is some of the least football educated and least football informed stuff I have seen in some time and am surprised its coming from you.
Yes, QBs throw it to a place where only their player can make a play on the ball so that if he does catch it great, and if not, you get to play the next down because you didn't turn it over. Sometimes that's throwing the ball out of bounds where maybe only your player had a chance to catch it over the back shoulder, sometimes thats throwing the ball real low where maybe your man scoops it off the turf. But in both cases its so only your team had a chance to catch it and not the other team. Brady did this a bunch tonight because he dudn't have time in the pocket or because no one was open or both. You throw the incompletion and live to pkay another down.
That's not rocket science. That's high school QB 101.
Hm. The GOAT who only got sacked once tonight didn't have enough time in the pocket. Maybe that explains when he threw a screen pass into the dirt. Nobody's open...so throw it in the dirt. Hm. Very interesting.
I also find it interesting that on this thread I'm ridiculous for being a Brady hater but on the other thread I'm ridiculous saying Brady could lead an all time Patriots team to beat an all time team against the field.
I'm just always so ridiculous.
nailed it.
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For all you patriots fans who think it was Brady's fault you guys lost, all I can say is that isn't the case at all. I am not a Pats fan, and not a Brady fan, but Brady completely diced up Philly that whole 2nd half. Pats defense had a hard time stopping Philly. But every team that has played Philly has had a hard time in the playoffs. I think some of the Pats fans have got to the point where if they don't win the Super Bowl somehow someone really sucks on their team and they need someone to blame. Sometimes the other team just plays an outstanding game and rises above. That is what happened today with Foles.
Let me tell you it was a very close game, very entertaining and a slugfest. The patriots kept coming back when you think Philly is going to pull away. Brady is hands down the greatest QB of all time. Philly was shaking in their boots on the drive that the Pats took the lead. This is coming from, I am embarrassed to say a lot now, a dolphins fan.
If you are a pats fan, why dont you just tip your hat to Nick Foles and say good job kid, you beat the best QB ever in the biggest game of the year. It's not like BB and TB are going anywhere. They will be favorites to make the superbowl next year as well.
I get what you're saying and in one sense I agree. A couple of things, though, related to the bolded areas above (and I could totally be just picking nits here, so take it with a grain of salt):
1) If the Pats, as a whole, had played GREAT but simply got outplayed—oh well, can't do much about that. But the Pats, as a whole, most definitely did NOT play great. The offense played great in the second half, but subpar in the first half, leaving a lot of points out there; and the defense was bad for 99% of the game.
2) When the team, as a whole, does not play great, blame is apparent, and thus valid. NE's D line got virtually zero pressure on Foles; Eric Rowe should've broken up the first Philly TD pass, and in fact he played pretty badly most of the night; the Pats also should've broken up that other TD pass at the back of the endzone (though technically, it wasn't a catch and should've been called as such). And the WRETCHED third-down defense: Philly was 10-for-16 (!!!) on third downs. Totally unacceptable.
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If brady doesn't win super bowl mvp, its rigged
IDK about rigged. Brady had more yards, but Foles led the game winning drive.
Foles also had a TD catch.
That play call ranks up there with the best of them in SB history.
It would seem more impressive if it didn't come right after the Patriots tried the same thing on the previous series. They were on the 1 yard line - it was gutsy, but the Patriots weren't ever going to hold the Eagles to less than 1 yard no matter what the Eagles did there.
The two touchdowns that weren't overturned for the Eagles seemed like they should have been. Regardless of what you think a catch is, both of those plays have been pretty commonly called as 'drops' throughout the season.
Horrible defensive effort - zero pressure on Foles, gave up endless 3rd and 4th down conversions. TB had an amazing game, but go figure that he completely blows it (along with Shaq Mason) when it mattered most.
Next year we should have Hightower, Edelman, and Cooks back. No reason we can't make another trip to the SB, but the defense needs to improve.
tl;dr - total bummer...
To add to what you wrote:
The Foles TD catch was unnecessary; I mean, with the Pats D being crap, they could've gone with just about any play and scored, but they had to hot-dog it.
Can't believe the Clement TD catch wasn't overturned.
It's been about a decade now that Belichick has (seemingly) believed that a pass rush is unnecessary. The lack of pressure on the QB is unacceptable.
And to your last point, Hightower is likely to get injured again, along with at least one key offensive player. Pats probably make the AFC title game by virtue of the rest of the conference being crap, but they're not winning another Super Bowl with this D.
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For all you patriots fans who think it was Brady's fault you guys lost, all I can say is that isn't the case at all. I am not a Pats fan, and not a Brady fan, but Brady completely diced up Philly that whole 2nd half. Pats defense had a hard time stopping Philly. But every team that has played Philly has had a hard time in the playoffs. I think some of the Pats fans have got to the point where if they don't win the Super Bowl somehow someone really sucks on their team and they need someone to blame. Sometimes the other team just plays an outstanding game and rises above. That is what happened today with Foles.
Let me tell you it was a very close game, very entertaining and a slugfest. The patriots kept coming back when you think Philly is going to pull away. Brady is hands down the greatest QB of all time. Philly was shaking in their boots on the drive that the Pats took the lead. This is coming from, I am embarrassed to say a lot now, a dolphins fan.
If you are a pats fan, why dont you just tip your hat to Nick Foles and say good job kid, you beat the best QB ever in the biggest game of the year. It's not like BB and TB are going anywhere. They will be favorites to make the superbowl next year as well.
I get what you're saying and in one sense I agree. A couple of things, though, related to the bolded areas above (and I could totally be just picking nits here, so take it with a grain of salt):
1) If the Pats, as a whole, had played GREAT but simply got outplayed—oh well, can't do much about that. But the Pats, as a whole, most definitely did NOT play great. The offense played great in the second half, but subpar in the first half, leaving a lot of points out there; and the defense was bad for 99% of the game.
2) When the team, as a whole, does not play great, blame is apparent, and thus valid. NE's D line got virtually zero pressure on Foles; Eric Rowe should've broken up the first Philly TD pass, and in fact he played pretty badly most of the night; the Pats also should've broken up that other TD pass at the back of the endzone (though technically, it wasn't a catch and should've been called as such). And the WRETCHED third-down defense: Philly was 10-for-16 (!!!) on third downs. Totally unacceptable.
All true. The special teams were bad. The defense sucked all game. A couple of calls were pretty iffy given what we have seen all year. But the offense never sucked. The points that were left off the board in the first half were all due to the coaching. First and less than one at the 5 while walking down the field....you go for it. Instead the go for a FG that's no good. Later 4th and 5 from the 35 while being indoors and instead of kicking it, they niss the 4th down play. That's 10 points lost in the first half from coaching decisions and bad execution and pkay calling. Without those dumb coaching decisions, Pats are probably tied at half and win.
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Why didn't Butler play? I read BBs and Malcolms pat comments, but I'm curious to know the real reason
He must've done something really stupid off the field (e.g., double homicide)
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Perhaps surprisingly, Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski left the door open to the possibility of retirement following Sunday's loss.
"I am definitely going to look at my future for sure," said Gronkowski, who will turn 29 during the offseason. "I am going to sit down the next couple weeks and see where I am at."
When pressed further on a possible retirement, Gronkowski said he's "not ready for these type of questions right now."
"I'm going to reflect on the season," said Gronkowski, who had a team-high nine catches for 116 yards and two touchdowns. "Proud of the boys, and just see what happens."
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The world is coming to an end. Those soul-less fans in Philadelphia actually have a Superbowl. They boo'd Santa, threw batteries at players, and cheered when Irvin broke his neck. If there was ever a fan base that doesn't deserve a title, it's the Eagles.
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Why didn't Butler play? I read BBs and Malcolms pat comments, but I'm curious to know the real reason
He must've done something really stupid off the field (e.g., double homicide)
Matt Patricia claimed it was "packages". Belichick claimed it was "football decisions". Eric Rowe didn't know he'd be starting over Butler, so he probably didn't know he would also be guarding Alshon Jeffrey.
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Patriots didn't deserve this one
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The world is coming to an end. Those soul-less fans in Philadelphia actually have a Superbowl. They boo'd Santa, threw batteries at players, and cheered when Irvin broke his neck. If there was ever a fan base that doesn't deserve a title, it's the Eagles.
Nah, I mean, they're a miserable bunch, but that fan base has suffered long enough, they deserved this one. It was time.
Now, Pats fans, the arrogant lot of them, they might never deserve another SB Victory ever. ;)
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I think this is the sports gods punishing Brady for smelling his farts in public a bit too obviously in recent months. Seriously... TB12, all the “Tom vs Time” stuff - who rolls that out DURING THE SEASON? You can’t wait until the offseason? You gotta have respect. The sports gods generally love Tom Brady but they aren’t gonna stand for some mortal man implying he might actually stand toe-to-toe with time itself.
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Perhaps surprisingly, Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski left the door open to the possibility of retirement following Sunday's loss.
"I am definitely going to look at my future for sure," said Gronkowski, who will turn 29 during the offseason. "I am going to sit down the next couple weeks and see where I am at."
When pressed further on a possible retirement, Gronkowski said he's "not ready for these type of questions right now."
"I'm going to reflect on the season," said Gronkowski, who had a team-high nine catches for 116 yards and two touchdowns. "Proud of the boys, and just see what happens."
Makes sense to me. With the amount of injuries he's had and the kinds of injuries that can still happen to him, he's looking around thinking, "I'm a millionaire and I've already accomplished a lot in football, why am I still doing this?"
If he doesn't have that crazy drive to be the greatest of all time (and most of the time, that drive is crazy) it would make total sense to retire and enjoy his life.
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Tom has played cruddy so far
Cue the stupid "Shoulda kept Garapalo" junk all off season
I too hate it when my QB only throws for a measly 489 yards
Well when Nick Foles outplays you.....
Dude, Brady had over 400 yards passing. He played fine. The Pats defense was atrocious. That's why they lost.
over 500.
Team put up 33 points (should have had 4 more from easy field goals). defense just couldnt stop a nose bleed. They punted what? one time?
Blaming Brady for this is so hilarious and just shows how spoiled we are. Tommy puts up 505 and 3 TDs with his #2 target sitting in the locker room against a top 5 defense and people have the audacity to say Brady played badly.
Is it audacity to say what happened?
You're probably the one and only person in the world that thinks Brady played badly.
But I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right, right?
Critical dropped pass that hit his hands. Passes in the dirt all night. Missing open receivers. Held the ball too long for a strip sack.
If he'd had the game the backup QB had then the Pats win.
It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
This is pure ridiculousness. The pass to a QB has to be 100% on the money because QBs aren't WRs. That pass was too high.
The passes that were in the dirt to receivers with tight coverage were meant to be in the dirt because that's what smart QBs do. You put the ball where only your receiver has a chance to catch it and no one else.
The dude threw a ton of passes and threw for over 500 yards. Yes, even the best of QBs on their best days will miss a couple open receivers. It happens to great QBs every week of the season.
On the strip sack he had almost no time to make a decision. There were no open receicers and a couple of the receivers hadn't finished their routes yet. Just a great play by the Philly defense. That's no one's "fault". Its just a great play.
Your Brady hate is unwarranted given how he played here and your analysis borders on not having a clue of how the game is played. Stopped being so p!ssed the Pats won and using Beady as your whipping boy. This loss isn't on Brady. Its on Belichick, Patricia and just awful excecution of the defense on 3rd and 4th down.
The balls were meant to be in the dirt. Wow. Well I'm glad I have a great football mind like you to teach me how to play great football Nick. I mean if the balls were meant to be in the dirt then Brady did great. Hey I mean maybe Foles could have improved his performance by throwing a few more in the dirt. Win by more points.
I mean I'm just ridiculous over here expecting QBs to not throw balls into the dirt. Man I'm just ridiculous sometimes.
eja...you're a pretty intelligent guy but this is some of the least football educated and least football informed stuff I have seen in some time and am surprised its coming from you.
Yes, QBs throw it to a place where only their player can make a play on the ball so that if he does catch it great, and if not, you get to play the next down because you didn't turn it over. Sometimes that's throwing the ball out of bounds where maybe only your player had a chance to catch it over the back shoulder, sometimes thats throwing the ball real low where maybe your man scoops it off the turf. But in both cases its so only your team had a chance to catch it and not the other team. Brady did this a bunch tonight because he dudn't have time in the pocket or because no one was open or both. You throw the incompletion and live to pkay another down.
That's not rocket science. That's high school QB 101.
Hm. The GOAT who only got sacked once tonight didn't have enough time in the pocket. Maybe that explains when he threw a screen pass into the dirt. Nobody's open...so throw it in the dirt. Hm. Very interesting.
I also find it interesting that on this thread I'm ridiculous for being a Brady hater but on the other thread I'm ridiculous saying Brady could lead an all time Patriots team to beat an all time team against the field.
I'm just always so ridiculous.
Well....in actuality....yeah, both opinions are pretty ridiculous. TP. 😄
Ridiculously accurate.
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Don't agree with that. Chung and McCourty are safeties not DBs. Harmon is pretty much a safety too though plays some nickelback. And I think Butler is better than Gilmore. So my opinion, Butler is their best DB, especially in coverage. Though others may think differently
Defensive Back is a term used to refer to the entire secondary. DBs consist of CBs and Safeties. That being said, the dropoff from Butler to Rowe, Bademosi, and Jordan Richards is so big that it's hard to rationalize not playing Butler one single snap.
And even if you thought you had better "packages", after it became clear that the plan wasn't working, it was time to change the plan. That's how you won the SB against Seattle.
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You really believed that Russians would allow the "Patriots" to win it all? :laugh:
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You really believed that Russians would allow the "Patriots" to win it all? :laugh:
Especially when they were playing against the "Eagles" :P
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You really believed that Russians would allow the "Patriots" to win it all? :laugh:
Especially when they were playing against the "Eagles" :P
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Nice value added - very visual TP!
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It's ok not to be a homer apologist sometimes.
Except I'm not a Pats fan, and don't really care about Brady at all. He had a great game. I guess he maybe could have made a few more plays, but the loss is not on him in any way.
im not a Pats fan either but i agree , he had a great game and from a neutral standpoint, i thought it was a great game . Both teams playe like champions. Both QBs were fantasic . Dead on the money passing. Pats could have won if that guys finger tips don't jar the ball from Bradys hands on that game winning drive . Amazing game.
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As weird as it is to say, I don’t think either team played that poorly on defense. The offenses just made plays.
It was a spectacular game, one of the best start to finish that I’ve seen.
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As weird as it is to say, I don’t think either team played that poorly on defense. The offenses just made plays.
It was a spectacular game, one of the best start to finish that I’ve seen.
Pata couldn't tackle or over, I thought.
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In the meanwhile, Brandon Browner went off on the Pats coaching brass for benching Butler. Hightower liked the post.
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Right, I really don't get it. There must have been some incident ...
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Right, I really don't get it. There must have been some incident ...
According to Rowe, he was told that he was starting right before the game, and he acknowledged that Butler practiced in those mythical "packages" that Belichick/Patricia referred to during the entire week.
Butler did fly in late because he supposedly had the flu, but I doubt that has someone to do with it.
I understand that Bill always values sending a message over winning one single game. However, when said game is your 40-year-old star QB's potentially last SB, perhaps it's time to apply a little "situational football" decision-making?
edit: Correction. Rowe reportedly said he practiced as CB2 the entire week, and apparently Butler was still under the weather as late as Thursday. Still, however, he was apparently well enough to get ST snaps, and I don't see how playing Bademosi/Chung over him in nickel packages is the better football decision. Certainly not after it has become clear that your defense is having issues closing down after the catch and tackling (coincidentally, both of these are Butler's strengths).
Butler played 97% of defensive snaps during the regular season. That pretty much means he was on the field at all times, regardless of matchups. I guess he was good enough back then?
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In the meanwhile, Brandon Browner went off on the Pats coaching brass for benching Butler. Hightower liked the post.
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[dang] that's tough
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Right, I really don't get it. There must have been some incident ...
According to Rowe, he was told that he was starting right before the game, and he acknowledged that Butler practiced in those mythical "packages" that Belichick/Patricia referred to during the entire week.
Butler did fly in late because he supposedly had the flu, but I doubt that has someone to do with it.
I understand that Bill always values sending a message over winning one single game. However, when said game is your 40-year-old star QB's potentially last SB, perhaps it's time to apply a little "situational football" decision-making?
Sounds very patriarchal of Bill. Maybe I'm overly fixated on it, but that decision could've cost them Tom's last SB. So unless Butler committed a double homicide, I'm not seeing it.
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Right, I really don't get it. There must have been some incident ...
According to Rowe, he was told that he was starting right before the game, and he acknowledged that Butler practiced in those mythical "packages" that Belichick/Patricia referred to during the entire week.
Butler did fly in late because he supposedly had the flu, but I doubt that has someone to do with it.
I understand that Bill always values sending a message over winning one single game. However, when said game is your 40-year-old star QB's potentially last SB, perhaps it's time to apply a little "situational football" decision-making?
Sounds very patriarchal of Bill. Maybe I'm overly fixated on it, but that decision could've cost them Tom's last SB. So unless Butler committed a double homicide, I'm not seeing it.
well he played in the game on special teams so it couldn't have been that bad.
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Right, I really don't get it. There must have been some incident ...
According to Rowe, he was told that he was starting right before the game, and he acknowledged that Butler practiced in those mythical "packages" that Belichick/Patricia referred to during the entire week.
Butler did fly in late because he supposedly had the flu, but I doubt that has someone to do with it.
I understand that Bill always values sending a message over winning one single game. However, when said game is your 40-year-old star QB's potentially last SB, perhaps it's time to apply a little "situational football" decision-making?
Sounds very patriarchal of Bill. Maybe I'm overly fixated on it, but that decision could've cost them Tom's last SB. So unless Butler committed a double homicide, I'm not seeing it.
There is no explanation why a DB who played close to every defensive snap during the regular season suddenly became a situational/matchup liability in the SB.
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well he played in the game on special teams so it couldn't have been that bad.
He had to, I guess. Had to keep Johnson Bademosi fresh so that he can miss tackles in nickel packages. >:( >:( >:(
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The only think I can think of....and I don't like this theory at all....is that BB knew he wasn't bringing him back and didn't want to be in a situation where it seemed he HAD to bring him back. But that presumes that Bill would be putting the future ahead of the Super Bowl. I don't like this theory, yet I could sorta see Bill maybe trying it.
That said...he could have made a half time adjustment. Or brought him in fresh in the 4th
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The only think I can think of....and I don't like this theory at all....is that BB knew he wasn't bringing him back and didn't want to be in a situation where it seemed he HAD to bring him back. But that presumes that Bill would be putting the future ahead of the Super Bowl. I don't like this theory, yet I could sorta see Bill maybe trying it.
That said...he could have made a half time adjustment. Or brought him in fresh in the 4th
Yeah, that's the one thing I can't see happening. He played plenty of guys he wouldn't bring back last season (e.g. Chris Long).
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We don't have any information about Butler. I'm guessing we're not going to get any more information from the team. Butler is gone, so the key moving forward is to find another d-back that can come in and contribute.
The defense was a mess. I'm not sure if this is b/c the defense stinks, or that Philly was a machine. I'm thinking it was a little of the former and a lot of the latter. Philly made Minnesota's objectively solid defense look terrible.
Just a bad game for the defense. Too bad b/c Brady played well overall. Reminds me of Pittsburgh's loss to Jacksonville a couple of weeks ago.
Good for Philly- they deserved to win. Nick Foles makes a good story, and overall this doesn't really tarnish much for the Patriots. 6-2 is certainly better than 5-3, but not really a huge difference. A Seahawks/Falcons loss would have hurt more, in my opinion. Tom & Bill still have more combined SB wins than any other qb & coach.
The Pats will be ok. Also, Tom Brady just said he's not retiring until he's 55.
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I'm glad nobody is saying Belichick had a great game because look at all the points and yards they put up.
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
I'm pretty sure Bill would own it. He usually does.
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
I'm pretty sure Bill would own it. He usually does.
He already "owned" it in the most boilerplate Belichick fashion: "We just played the guys who gave us the best chance to win". ::)
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
I'm pretty sure Bill would own it. He usually does.
He already "owned" it in the most boilerplate Belichick fashion: "We just played the guys who gave us the best chance to win". ::)
If you asked him who coached better, he would say Pederson and his staff. If you asked who played better, he would say PHI.
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
Alshon Jeffrey is 6'3, Rowe is 6'1 and Butler is 5'10. Might be that simple.
I find it laughable that the Monday morning QBs here think that they would have made better decisions than BB and his staff.
No, you don't know more than Bill. They lost the game, it sucks, on to next year.
Pretending like they would have won b/c of A, B, or C makes you sound silly. You don't know.
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
Alshon Jeffrey is 6'3, Rowe is 6'1 and Butler is 5'10. Might be that simple.
I find it laughable that the Monday morning QBs here think that they would have made better decisions than BB and his staff.
No, you don't know more than Bill. They lost the game, it sucks, on to next year.
Pretending like they would have won b/c of A, B, or C makes you sound silly. You don't know.
I would have run it on the play with the strip sack because there was plenty of time and the linebackers were quite a ways back.
I mean......I can lose a game just as good as he can!
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
I'm pretty sure Bill would own it. He usually does.
He did. In his post game conference he said he did not do a good enough job of coaching
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
Well I guess now it's time to enter a state of depression for a while and avoid watching sports shows for the next 2-3 days... :(
:'( :'( :'(
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
Alshon Jeffrey is 6'3, Rowe is 6'1 and Butler is 5'10. Might be that simple.
I find it laughable that the Monday morning QBs here think that they would have made better decisions than BB and his staff.
No, you don't know more than Bill. They lost the game, it sucks, on to next year.
Pretending like they would have won b/c of A, B, or C makes you sound silly. You don't know.
I would have run it on the play with the strip sack because there was plenty of time and the linebackers were quite a ways back.
I mean......I can lose a game just as good as he can!
Haha TP. I would have had Tom throw for 605 yards, and I would have had PHI score 3 points. I don't know what Bill was thinking! Jeesh he stinks.
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
Well I guess now it's time to enter a state of depression for a while and avoid watching sports shows for the next 2-3 days... :(
:'( :'( :'(
I know, it is too bad we don't have anything else to watch in this town.
Celtics looking to protect their #1 seed.
Bruins looking to shake up the NHL with their ragtag bunch of hustlers.
Red Sox haven't even gotten busy in FA yet.
Funny as it sounds coming off a SB loss, this is one of Boston's best sports year collectively. They could all get #1 seeds for the playoffs.
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If we believe Belichick that he just put the players out there he thought would win....I mean why? Why would he think a Pro Bowler couldn't help him win? Especially once the defense was having problems.
I just say outplayed and outcoached. Just own it
Alshon Jeffrey is 6'3, Rowe is 6'1 and Butler is 5'10. Might be that simple.
I find it laughable that the Monday morning QBs here think that they would have made better decisions than BB and his staff.
No, you don't know more than Bill. They lost the game, it sucks, on to next year.
Pretending like they would have won b/c of A, B, or C makes you sound silly. You don't know.
Several thoughts:
1. Butler played 97% of regular season snaps. I'm guessing we never played any tall receivers during the regular season? Or was Butler good enough then, but mysteriously fell off a cliff over the last week or so?
2. Even if we assume it was a matchup issue, there's no explanation of why they trotted Johnson Bademosi out there as the third corner. He missed a key open-field tackle on Agholor (the type that Butler routinely delivers with authority) on 3rd down to keep the Eagles on the field down the stretch. If you want to point to a play that lost you the game, you might as well pick this one.
3. One Eagles staffer said after the game, "We went after Rowe because we had him and we know he sucks". So there's that.
I find it laughable that some people think Belichick is beyond reproach and that every time he (allegedly) did something to give the team the best chance to win (according to him), he was necessarily right.
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Dear Pats,
Can you PLEASE win the SB by a comfortable margin if you do.
My 19 year old heart really can't handle all these last minute thrills/heart attacks over the years
:laugh:
Well I guess now it's time to enter a state of depression for a while and avoid watching sports shows for the next 2-3 days... :(
:'( :'( :'(
I know, it is too bad we don't have anything else to watch in this town.
Celtics looking to protect their #1 seed.
Bruins looking to shake up the NHL with their ragtag bunch of hustlers.
Red Sox haven't even gotten busy in FA yet.
Funny as it sounds coming off a SB loss, this is one of Boston's best sports year collectively. They could all get #1 seeds for the playoffs.
Yeah but it still hurts. And I have ZERO CLUE why Butler didn't play at all.
There's NO WAY you could convince me that Richards, Rowe and Bademosi were better options than Butler last night. Unless Butler committed a crime or something, there's no excuse to bench him the ENTIRE game last night, especially in a dang SB.
Anyways, the future is bright for Boston sports. Bruins and Celtics both young and could be contenders starting as early as this year.
I wish I could say the same about the Red Sox, BUT we all know how it ends for teams having Dombrowski as their GM (no World Series, horrid farm system, quite a few overpaid guys, etc.). Hope they sign JD Martinez but I don't think that's a given anymore.
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Yeah but it still hurts. And I have ZERO CLUE why Butler didn't play at all.
He played. Just not on defense...
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I get what you guys are saying. "Malcolm Butler is better than Eric Rowe or another backup". After the Seattle SB win, you won't be able to get me to say that Deion Sanders was better than Butler. I'm a big Butler fan.
I just think that singling out Butler's absence is incomplete. It may be one reason that they lost, but I'm sure there are many more. Nick Foles was on fire. I'm not convinced that Butler intercepts/deflects many of those perfectly thrown passes.
"Well all it would take is one more good play by Butler." I'm not sure about that. There's a chance that Philly was going to win that game, regardless of what team they played. They looked very similar to the team that destroyed Minnesota's defense two weeks ago.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22323948/new-england-patriots-cb-eric-rowe-gets-start-malcolm-butler-super-bowl-lii
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Yeah but it still hurts. And I have ZERO CLUE why Butler didn't play at all.
He played. Just not on defense...
Yep. Like 1 play on Special Teams. ::)
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I'm just glad everyone (including Patriots haters) are letting Max Kellerman have it with his Cliff arguments against Brady. ::) >:(
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I'm just glad everyone (including Patriots haters) are letting Max Kellerman have it with his Cliff arguments against Brady. ::) >:(
I don't care about the cliff and all that, but frankly I'm having a hard time rooting for Brady now that he has willingly associated himself with two known quacks in Chopra and Guerrero to sell snake-oil... That's a separate conversation, though.
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I'm just glad everyone (including Patriots haters) are letting Max Kellerman have it with his Cliff arguments against Brady. ::) >:(
505 yards. In the land of the hot take, Max is as cold as ice.
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Games like this are why the argument “only rings matter” is a little too simplistic. Is Brady in any way diminished for “failing” on the big stage?
There was a ton of offensive precision in that game. Nick Foles looked like an All-Pro, and Brady dropped 500 yards. One of them had to lose, but neither should be criticized because they couldn’t finish it out. That was epic.
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Games like this are why the argument “only rings matter” is a little too simplistic. Is Brady in any way diminished for “failing” on the big stage?
There was a ton of offensive precision in that game. Nick Foles looked like an All-Pro, and Brady dropped 500 yards. One of them had to lose, but neither should be criticized because they couldn’t finish it out. That was epic.
No-one is criticizing the QBs. Our defense allowed the Eagles to go 12 for 18 on 3rd and 4th downs, and you're not going to win many games that way.
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I'm just glad everyone (including Patriots haters) are letting Max Kellerman have it with his Cliff arguments against Brady. ::) >:(
505 yards. In the land of the hot take, Max is as cold as ice.
Last year he legit tweeted out "Cliff" during the SB while Pats were down 21-0 after TB threw a Pick 6, then the Pats won the SB and he still talked about how the cliff was coming for Brady and there were signs of it in the game ::) :laugh:
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Games like this are why the argument “only rings matter” is a little too simplistic. Is Brady in any way diminished for “failing” on the big stage?
There was a ton of offensive precision in that game. Nick Foles looked like an All-Pro, and Brady dropped 500 yards. One of them had to lose, but neither should be criticized because they couldn’t finish it out. That was epic.
I completely agree with this. It was a great game, neither def could get any stops, and it was just a classic shootout. Brady in no way 'failed' you pats fans. Neither did Belichick either btw.
I just want to comment on the 'blame Belichick for the loss' overreaction...
Man I can't believe I am about to defend Bill Belichick, but...does anyone here really know why Butler didn't play? Maybe there was more to the story. Belichick isn't historically very open with the media.
Do you think that a head coach that has led his team to 8 super bowls as a head coach and 2 more as a def coordinator doesn't know what he is doing? I agree that everyone can be second guessed, because everyone makes mistakes even Brady and Belichick. But the Belichick bashing just comes off as so whiny when you look at the big picture. 5 super bowl wins, 8 super bowl appearances, 15 AFC east titles.
Try looking at the coaches the dolphins, bills and jets have had over the last 15 years and get a little perspective. The Eagles, Doug Peterson, and Nick Foles were just better last night. Eagles needed to pretty much play a perfect game to win, and they basically did that on offense.
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Games like this are why the argument “only rings matter” is a little too simplistic. Is Brady in any way diminished for “failing” on the big stage?
There was a ton of offensive precision in that game. Nick Foles looked like an All-Pro, and Brady dropped 500 yards. One of them had to lose, but neither should be criticized because they couldn’t finish it out. That was epic.
Agree. Not one thing matters- the entire context should be considered.
SB wins should be the #1 (and #2 and #3 metric), but there are other relevant stats. Longevity stats are also important. Anyone can win one big game (look at Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer). The ability to get into these big games consistently is what impresses me most.
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Line play wins playoff games.
Pats d-line was terrible all year.
O-line ran out of gas in the 4th quarter fending off an athletic and deep Eagles front. Brady never had a chance to make the comeback because he couldn't get protection.
Maybe invest in some defensive talent next time!
That was one of the worst defensive performances I can remember from the Pats in a big game. Eagles got basically everything they wanted all game, with the exception of a fluky bounce leading to an interception at the 5 yard line.
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Games like this are why the argument “only rings matter” is a little too simplistic. Is Brady in any way diminished for “failing” on the big stage?
There was a ton of offensive precision in that game. Nick Foles looked like an All-Pro, and Brady dropped 500 yards. One of them had to lose, but neither should be criticized because they couldn’t finish it out. That was epic.
Nick Foles played a great game, but was hardly pressured all game.
Brady played well, but couldn't get protection at the end of the game, ending the comeback attempt before it really began.
Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
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If Brady can soak in all the credit for victories, then he should also take some of the blame. Statistically, Brady played great. However part of a quarterbacks job is to change/control tempo and keep your defense off the field. I think Foles clearly outperformed Brady in that area. Philly lead the time of possession with basically 34 minutes, as compared to NE 26. Maybe that extra time off the field helped Philly's defense, which may have also impacted the stamina to get that strip sack.
I thought the Ertz touch down was clearly a touch down, even without the replay. I'm still uncertain as to why Collinswoth was seemingly trying to create some sort of controversy. I didn't need a replay to see that he took three steps with the ball, which made him a runner, and then crossed the goal line with the ball. Even when he crossed the line, both of his hands were on the ball when he hit the ground, and he caught it again after the ball popped up in the air. The ball was never on the ground without Ertz's hands on the ball.
Doug Pederson had a great game plan and was not afraid to be aggressive when necessary. Far too many times, coaches play everything by the book when playing the Pats, and they wonder why they usually fall short. I only questioned two calls from Philly. Why run the ball on second down with 2:03 left in the game? I thought they should have ran play action or an RPO and threw the ball to try and get the first down. The clock was going to stop on that play regardless because of the two minute warning. The other thing I was surprised at was why Philly didn't take a chance on an onside kick after one of their second half scores. The Philly defense couldn't stop Brady once, so what difference does it make if you miss the onside kick and Brady ends up only scoring on a 50 yard drive, as opposed to a 75 yard drive?
As for Malcom Butler, I'm not sure if we'll ever know what really happened. If I had to guess, did Butler or his agent, take the time during the two weeks leading up to yesterday to bring up his contract to Bill? Butler literally did make the game winning play to win the Super Bowl 3 years ago, so I don't think it's out of the question of Butler or his agent bringing that back up. Was Bill trying to make a statement that he didn't need Butler to win a Super Bowl? Bill could have ended most of this controversy if he simply said he was benched because of a disciplinary reason, instead of the obvious bogus one he gave.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
Yep and the Eagles staff is excellent. The last two weeks they were implementing plays that worked for Foles the last time he was on the Eagles even though they never ran them at any time in the last two years. So they completely changed stuff up to maximize his strengths. Not many staffs would have the stones to do that in the two weeks before the Superbowl.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
And yet much more recently this season he looked pretty bad.
So what that tells you is that Foles has shown the potential to play very well, but has been inconsistent. Like most QBs, his performance is probably affected a great deal by the type of defense he's facing.
Again, most QBs will look awesome when the opposing defense hardly pressures them at all.
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If Brady can soak in all the credit for victories, then he should also take some of the blame. Statistically, Brady played great. However part of a quarterbacks job is to change/control tempo and keep your defense off the field. I think Foles clearly outperformed Brady in that area. Philly lead the time of possession with basically 34 minutes, as compared to NE 26. Maybe that extra time off the field helped Philly's defense, which may have also impacted the stamina to get that strip sack.
Brady gave the team a chance to win. He perhaps could have lead them on another game winning drive with two minutes left, but the pocket kept collapsing and he was stripped.
You could blame Brady partly for that; he's not very mobile. But he's 40, so what do you expect?
Brady did everything you could ask him to do as a pocket passing QB. He can't pass-block and throw the passes.
I suppose you could criticize him for not catching a wide open pass earlier in the game, but they don't pay him to catch passes, either.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
And yet much more recently this season he looked pretty bad.
So what that tells you is that Foles has shown the potential to play very well, but has been inconsistent. Like most QBs, his performance is probably affected a great deal by the type of defense he's facing.
Again, most QBs will look awesome when the opposing defense hardly pressures them at all.
He sucked while playing for Jeff Fisher. You know what other QB's were crappy playing for Jeff Fisher, pretty much every QB that ever played for him except Steve McNair (and frankly who knows how good he might have been had he not been saddled with Jeff Fisher).
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I still think Foles won that game more than anything else. Yes, the D gave up a ton of yards and plays, but so did the PHI defense.
Nick Foles won the game for PHI. I don't think it is a crazy challenging analysis.
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Don't agree with that. Chung and McCourty are safeties not DBs. Harmon is pretty much a safety too though plays some nickelback. And I think Butler is better than Gilmore. So my opinion, Butler is their best DB, especially in coverage. Though others may think differently
Defensive Back is a term used to refer to the entire secondary. DBs consist of CBs and Safeties. That being said, the dropoff from Butler to Rowe, Bademosi, and Jordan Richards is so big that it's hard to rationalize not playing Butler one single snap.
And even if you thought you had better "packages", after it became clear that the plan wasn't working, it was time to change the plan. That's how you won the SB against Seattle.
Absolutely correct. In my scotch addled mind last night I meant to say best CB not DB. My bad.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
And yet much more recently this season he looked pretty bad.
So what that tells you is that Foles has shown the potential to play very well, but has been inconsistent. Like most QBs, his performance is probably affected a great deal by the type of defense he's facing.
Again, most QBs will look awesome when the opposing defense hardly pressures them at all.
He sucked while playing for Jeff Fisher. You know what other QB's were crappy playing for Jeff Fisher, pretty much every QB that ever played for him except Steve McNair (and frankly who knows how good he might have been had he not been saddled with Jeff Fisher).
I mean, sure. But "great" QBs are gonna look good no matter who their coach is, in my opinion.
Look, I'm not saying Foles is trash or something. I never said that, so don't conflate my argument with whatever people you're thinking of who felt that Foles was akin to Ryan Mallett. He's a good QB, certainly better than a mere backup. I don't think he's better than, for example, Matt Ryan, who the Pats were able to beat last year.
I don't think Foles would look like a HoFer if he were facing a halfway decent defense with the ability to get some pressure on him. Last night, he played against an opponent that couldn't generate any pressure and had a great deal of trouble tackling players in the open field. Obviously in that situation he's going to put up great numbers. Many QBs would put up great numbers in that situation.
The Pats lucked out this year in that they didn't face an above average starting QB, or an above average head coach, until the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, their major weaknesses were exposed once they did.
Still, Brady is good enough and the Pats are so well coached that they still had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. Ultimately, though, the weakness of both lines was such that they fell short.
Hopefully this spring / summer the team invests in the key infrastructure of the team -- i.e. the lines -- instead of focusing on making splashy acquisitions at skill positions (e.g. wide receiver, DB).
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If Brady can soak in all the credit for victories, then he should also take some of the blame. Statistically, Brady played great. However part of a quarterbacks job is to change/control tempo and keep your defense off the field. I think Foles clearly outperformed Brady in that area. Philly lead the time of possession with basically 34 minutes, as compared to NE 26. Maybe that extra time off the field helped Philly's defense, which may have also impacted the stamina to get that strip sack.
Brady gave the team a chance to win. He perhaps could have lead them on another game winning drive with two minutes left, but the pocket kept collapsing and he was stripped.
You could blame Brady partly for that; he's not very mobile. But he's 40, so what do you expect?
Brady did everything you could ask him to do as a pocket passing QB. He can't pass-block and throw the passes.
I suppose you could criticize him for not catching a wide open pass earlier in the game, but they don't pay him to catch passes, either.
I want to see Brady call running plays when the defense allows it. There is zero need to score every time in under 4 minutes or so. If your defense is struggling, then keep them off the field. You know, the type of quarterback clinics that Eli showcased in his two Super Bowl wins.
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If Brady can soak in all the credit for victories, then he should also take some of the blame. Statistically, Brady played great. However part of a quarterbacks job is to change/control tempo and keep your defense off the field. I think Foles clearly outperformed Brady in that area. Philly lead the time of possession with basically 34 minutes, as compared to NE 26. Maybe that extra time off the field helped Philly's defense, which may have also impacted the stamina to get that strip sack.
Brady gave the team a chance to win. He perhaps could have lead them on another game winning drive with two minutes left, but the pocket kept collapsing and he was stripped.
You could blame Brady partly for that; he's not very mobile. But he's 40, so what do you expect?
Brady did everything you could ask him to do as a pocket passing QB. He can't pass-block and throw the passes.
I suppose you could criticize him for not catching a wide open pass earlier in the game, but they don't pay him to catch passes, either.
I want to see Brady call running plays when the defense allows it. There is zero need to score every time in under 4 minutes or so. If your defense is struggling, then keep them off the field. You know, the type of quarterback clinics that Eli showcased in his two Super Bowl wins.
This highlights another weakness of the roster -- the lack of a power runner. I didn't feel like the Pats could really afford to lean on the run against decent opponents, because all of their running backs were of the small / shifty variety. Run plays and short / screen passes needed to be a part of a mixed attack. They couldn't be the main focus.
In other words, they missed having a guy like Blount. I guess Gillislee was supposed to be that guy this year, but he wasn't in the rotation by year's end.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
And yet much more recently this season he looked pretty bad.
So what that tells you is that Foles has shown the potential to play very well, but has been inconsistent. Like most QBs, his performance is probably affected a great deal by the type of defense he's facing.
Again, most QBs will look awesome when the opposing defense hardly pressures them at all.
If we exclude the game he subbed in for Wentz, and the season closer vs DAL (a throwaway game where he played ~30% of the snaps), Foles played 5 complete games this season (incl. yesterday) and looked great in 4 of them. Seems pretty consistent to me.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
And yet much more recently this season he looked pretty bad.
So what that tells you is that Foles has shown the potential to play very well, but has been inconsistent. Like most QBs, his performance is probably affected a great deal by the type of defense he's facing.
Again, most QBs will look awesome when the opposing defense hardly pressures them at all.
If we exclude the game he subbed in for Wentz, and the season closer vs DAL (a throwaway game where he played ~30% of the snaps), Foles played 5 complete games this season (incl. yesterday) and looked great in 4 of them. Seems pretty consistent to me.
I would characterize his play against Oakland and Atlanta as mediocre.
He was great against the Vikings, though that game seemed to break open after the 1st quarter.
Against the Patriots he was unstoppable, but again ... you gotta look at the defense he was facing.
Anyway, I don't know why we're arguing about this. We can give credit to the Eagles and Foles for playing a good game while also acknowledging that the Patriots defense was the weakest it's looked since 2010.
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I was disappointed with the final score, but after winning 5 Super Bowls by the skin of their teeth, the law of averages sort of plays out in the end. The Eagles out played us, and out-coached us. And Belichick is being a jerk not to even explain why he did not play Butler. His explanation is total garbage.
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Both quarterbacks played well, the big difference was the line play. I think Foles is good, but I don't think he's as good as he looked last night. A lot of QBs would have looked good against the Pats D.
Foles had a ~120 QBR and won 8 out of 10 games as a starter four years ago. The collective New England fandom somehow thought we'd be facing a scrub of Ryan Mallet/Jacoby Brissett proportions, which was simply never the case.
And yet much more recently this season he looked pretty bad.
So what that tells you is that Foles has shown the potential to play very well, but has been inconsistent. Like most QBs, his performance is probably affected a great deal by the type of defense he's facing.
Again, most QBs will look awesome when the opposing defense hardly pressures them at all.
If we exclude the game he subbed in for Wentz, and the season closer vs DAL (a throwaway game where he played ~30% of the snaps), Foles played 5 complete games this season (incl. yesterday) and looked great in 4 of them. Seems pretty consistent to me.
I would characterize his play against Oakland and Atlanta as mediocre.
He was great against the Vikings, though that game seemed to break open after the 1st quarter.
Against the Patriots he was unstoppable, but again ... you gotta look at the defense he was facing.
Anyway, I don't know why we're arguing about this. We can give credit to the Eagles and Foles for playing a good game while also acknowledging that the Patriots defense was the weakest it's looked since 2010.
I was tuned into sports talk a lot last week and it rubbed me the wrong way when they spent a ton of time talking how Foles is a pushover. I had the sense it might come back to bite us.
Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
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I'm kind of hoping there's alot of change that happens to the roster this off-season, especially defensively. I think first and foremost the offensive and defensive lines absolutely need to be scrapped and rebuilt. Pass protection was suspect all season although they did a pretty good job in the SB up until late 4th and d line was mediocre at best all year. Pretty sad that 40 year old James Harrison was the only one to get any sort of pressure last night. Linebacker play needs to be rejuvenated, Hightower coming back will help but we need someone else too. And maybe a bigger running back too. Love Dion Lewis and James white but I absolutely hated how all year long McDaniels would constantly run right up the gut with a 5ft8 rb
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Love Dion Lewis and James white but I absolutely hated how all year long McDaniels would constantly run right up the gut with a 5ft8 rb
I have no problem with that. It worked more often than not.
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Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
Foles had a 47.4 QBR against Atlanta; compare to 93.5 against Minnesota and 88.6 against New England.
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Love Dion Lewis and James white but I absolutely hated how all year long McDaniels would constantly run right up the gut with a 5ft8 rb
I have no problem with that. It worked more often than not.
Lewis and White are both nice but I think they could have used a bigger power runner to play the role Blount played in previous years.
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Love Dion Lewis and James white but I absolutely hated how all year long McDaniels would constantly run right up the gut with a 5ft8 rb
I have no problem with that. It worked more often than not.
Lewis and White are both nice but I think they could have used a bigger power runner to play the role Blount played in previous years.
Lewis can make a lot more yards between the tackles than Blount because he makes people miss. If you want someone to make a yard and not fumble the ball, you always have Brandon Bolden on the roster too.
All in all, I feel like the run is mostly a function of how well the OL plays. Remember Jonas Gray?
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Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
Foles had a 47.4 QBR against Atlanta; compare to 93.5 against Minnesota and 88.6 against New England.
Not a big fan of ESPN's QBR. QBs are supposed to pass and I have no use for running, penalties, and all that other crap that goes in total QBR. Foles' passer rating was 100.1 QBR vs Atl, 141 vs Minn and 105 vs NE, and that's pretty great in my book.
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Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
Foles had a 47.4 QBR against Atlanta; compare to 93.5 against Minnesota and 88.6 against New England.
Not a big fan of ESPN's QBR. QBs are supposed to pass and I have no use for running, penalties, and all that other crap that goes in total QBR. Foles' passer rating was 100.1 QBR vs Atl, 141 vs Minn and 105 vs NE, and that's pretty great in my book.
Foles was awesome. Watch the game again if you don't think so. Check out how many times he put the ball where only the receiver could get it.
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Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
Foles had a 47.4 QBR against Atlanta; compare to 93.5 against Minnesota and 88.6 against New England.
Not a big fan of ESPN's QBR. QBs are supposed to pass and I have no use for running, penalties, and all that other crap that goes in total QBR. Foles' passer rating was 100.1 QBR vs Atl, 141 vs Minn and 105 vs NE, and that's pretty great in my book.
Foles was awesome. Watch the game again if you don't think so. Check out how many times he put the ball where only the receiver could get it.
Are we talking about the Super Bowl? Because, again, he was barely pressured. Most QBs look awesome when not under pressure.
Even when the Pats forced him out of the pocket, they could barely get a finger on him.
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Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
Foles had a 47.4 QBR against Atlanta; compare to 93.5 against Minnesota and 88.6 against New England.
Not a big fan of ESPN's QBR. QBs are supposed to pass and I have no use for running, penalties, and all that other crap that goes in total QBR. Foles' passer rating was 100.1 QBR vs Atl, 141 vs Minn and 105 vs NE, and that's pretty great in my book.
Foles was awesome. Watch the game again if you don't think so. Check out how many times he put the ball where only the receiver could get it.
Are we talking about the Super Bowl? Because, again, he was barely pressured. Most QBs look awesome when not under pressure.
Even when the Pats forced him out of the pocket, they could barely get a finger on him.
I disagree. Even with a relative lack of pressure, most QBs aren’t going to hit their passes with the crispness, touch and accuracy that Foles did. He put the ball exactly where it needed to be.
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Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
Foles had a 47.4 QBR against Atlanta; compare to 93.5 against Minnesota and 88.6 against New England.
Not a big fan of ESPN's QBR. QBs are supposed to pass and I have no use for running, penalties, and all that other crap that goes in total QBR. Foles' passer rating was 100.1 QBR vs Atl, 141 vs Minn and 105 vs NE, and that's pretty great in my book.
Foles was awesome. Watch the game again if you don't think so. Check out how many times he put the ball where only the receiver could get it.
Are we talking about the Super Bowl? Because, again, he was barely pressured. Most QBs look awesome when not under pressure.
Even when the Pats forced him out of the pocket, they could barely get a finger on him.
I disagree. Even with a relative lack of pressure, most QBs aren’t going to hit their passes with the crispness, touch and accuracy that Foles did. He put the ball exactly where it needed to be.
I felt like their receivers made a whole lot more plays than the Pats' too. Which is weird to say on a day the Pats got over 500 yards in the air. If the ball was near their hands, they caught it.
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There are fans who'd love to see their team lose three Super Bowls, let alone win one, let alone five. We're blessed fans, but [dang it] when we lose we lose HARD. A hard loss like this, let alone three, should grant us the right to flaunt the success when it happens again. Shore up the defense and the Pats should be right here again next year.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
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Either way, I don't think we're doing much arguing. For the record, I think Foles was a lot better vs. Minn than in the SB... and he had a 75% completion rate vs. Atl so I don't know how you count that as mediocre; vs. Oakland he was just plain bad.
Foles had a 47.4 QBR against Atlanta; compare to 93.5 against Minnesota and 88.6 against New England.
Not a big fan of ESPN's QBR. QBs are supposed to pass and I have no use for running, penalties, and all that other crap that goes in total QBR. Foles' passer rating was 100.1 QBR vs Atl, 141 vs Minn and 105 vs NE, and that's pretty great in my book.
Foles was awesome. Watch the game again if you don't think so. Check out how many times he put the ball where only the receiver could get it.
Are we talking about the Super Bowl? Because, again, he was barely pressured. Most QBs look awesome when not under pressure.
Even when the Pats forced him out of the pocket, they could barely get a finger on him.
I disagree. Even with a relative lack of pressure, most QBs aren’t going to hit their passes with the crispness, touch and accuracy that Foles did. He put the ball exactly where it needed to be.
I felt like their receivers made a whole lot more plays than the Pats' too. Which is weird to say on a day the Pats got over 500 yards in the air. If the ball was near their hands, they caught it.
Alshon Jeffery's TD was absurd.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
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I felt like their receivers made a whole lot more plays than the Pats' too. Which is weird to say on a day the Pats got over 500 yards in the air. If the ball was near their hands, they caught it.
Weird, that's how I felt about Amendola and Gronk. I can't think about a situation when I though, dang, I wish our guys made that play.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
or maybe Patricia went along with it so Butler signs with the Lions next season (jk)
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I think I agree. Belichick is the head coach and has proven that he should get the last call. The problem with that responsibility is that he's to blame when they lose. This loss is on him for not getting the defense prepared. He is also the GM, so he is responsible for a defense lacking talent and depth.
I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
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I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.
Maybe not pretty. But Chandler Jones played in a playoff game after he turned up in a police station all messed up by synthetic marijuana.
I'm sure the remaining 51 Patriots players learned a great lesson yesterday while watching Johnson Bademosi p--- away their SB chances because he can't make an open field tackle.
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I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.
Maybe not pretty. But Chandler Jones played in a playoff game after he turned up in a police station all messed up by synthetic marijuana.
I'm sure the remaining 51 Patriots players learned a great lesson yesterday while watching Johnson Bademosi p--- away their SB chances because he can't make an open field tackle.
One of two lessons:
1) Keep your head down and do what the coaching staff tells you to do.
or
2) Belichick is a ****head and stubborn moves generally are not the best ones.
I'm hoping most of the players are taking the first lesson.
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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.
Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
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I'm trying to hold off on the Butler gossip until we know something. It doesn't look pretty though.
Maybe not pretty. But Chandler Jones played in a playoff game after he turned up in a police station all messed up by synthetic marijuana.
I'm sure the remaining 51 Patriots players learned a great lesson yesterday while watching Johnson Bademosi p--- away their SB chances because he can't make an open field tackle.
One of two lessons:
1) Keep your head down and do what the coaching staff tells you to do.
or
2) Belichick is a ****head and stubborn moves generally are not the best ones.
I'm hoping most of the players are taking the first lesson.
or
(3) Your hard work might not really matter because I'm prepared to throw away any game to send a "message".
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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.
Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
How about Brady? Does the OC outrank the player? How about the HC? Should the player never overrule the call from the sideline? Should they bench Brady if he does?
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.
Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
How about Brady? Does the OC outrank the player? How about the HC? Should the player never overrule the call from the sideline? Should they bench Brady if he does?
I think you know that Brady is a special player. He could have missed curfew 5 nights in a row and started the game.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.
Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
How about Brady? Does the OC outrank the player? How about the HC? Should the player never overrule the call from the sideline? Should they bench Brady if he does?
I think you know that Brady is a special player. He could have missed curfew 5 nights in a row and started the game.
Of course. I always knew it was more of a "We did what we thought we could get away with" rather than "We did what we thought was best for the team".
But I'm telling you, having Butler in there over Bademosi and Richards sure looks pretty special right now. Brady can't cover Nelson Agholor even if he goes to bed one hour early every day.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.
Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
Would you say, then, that BB didn't "do his job"? Because from my standpoint, it looks like he kinda didn't.
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http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/details-about-malcolm-butler-situation-starting-emerge
However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.
Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
Would you say, then, that BB didn't "do his job"? Because from my standpoint, it looks like he kinda didn't.
I think Bill is very much responsible for this loss. He put an inferior defense together on paper, then had an inferior defensive gameplan. If Bill was average in this respect, the Pats prob. have 6 rings.
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However bad that week of practice was, it can't be worse than what Bademosi gave them. Still doesn't make any sense.
What do you think of the narrative that benching Butler crushed the morale of the defense? If so, that could explain why they weren't able to stop the Eagles at all last night.
I don't know about the morale, but I'm shocked that Patricia, who was announced as the Lions HC the day after the SB, didn't just put Butler in when it was clear that the D needed someone, anyone to make a play.
That would have been the boldest of bold moves to tell Bill Belichick to shove it in the middle of the Super Bowl.
And he's going to do what? Boot Patricia from the game? Call the Lions and complain? I wish Patricia had the stones to hold Bill responsible to his crap and tell him that he'd like to win the SuperBowl instead. That would have been awesome.
You can't just tell your head coach to **** off in the middle of the SB. He overrules you all day long. You have to do your job.
If you think sitting Butler might have hurt the defenses cohesiveness, just wait and see what the head coach and defensive coordinator with conflicting instructions would do.
It's Patricia's job to question and push Bill Belichick on these decisions, but in no world would it be appropriate to tell him to shove it. This isnt the movies.
I though Patricia's job was to run the defense. He didn't do his job very well.
Run the defense without overruling Belichick. Matt Patricia cannot and should not overrule Bill Belichick regardless of the scenario.
Bill is the head coach. He outranks Matt Patricia. It is really that simple.
Would you say, then, that BB didn't "do his job"? Because from my standpoint, it looks like he kinda didn't.
Belichick acted within his responsibilities, he just didnt do it well enough.
The only way "do your job" works is if everyone stays in their role and completes that role well. When one of the most important guys fails to perform up to expectations you are obviously gonna see a ripple effect.
That said, it's really important for other members of the coaching staff not to try to do Bill's job for him because they dont believe he can do it. It's Bill's job. Believe in the system. It works a lot. No system is perfect.
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That said, it's really important for other members of the coaching staff not to try to do Bill's job for him because they dont believe he can do it. It's Bill's job. Believe in the system. It works a lot. No system is perfect.
Sure. But Bill was wrong, and it would have been awesome if Patricia, who had nothing at stake, would have called him out in the middle of the SB. Not that I expected it to happen, anyway.
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That said, it's really important for other members of the coaching staff not to try to do Bill's job for him because they dont believe he can do it. It's Bill's job. Believe in the system. It works a lot. No system is perfect.
Sure. But Bill was wrong, and it would have been awesome if Patricia, who had nothing at stake, would have called him out in the middle of the SB. Not that I expected it to happen, anyway.
How do you know if Matt Patricia didn't talk to Bill behind closed doors and questioned the decision? Besides, the next man up mentality has worked throughout Bill's tenure in New England, so the Super Bowl should have been no exception.
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I still think Philly wins regardless if Butler plays or not. If anything, the Pats DBs clearly did a better job of covering their receivers than Philly. It seemed like Foles had to make pin point passes virtually every time because his guys always seemed to have been covered. Brady, on the other hand, was completing passes to guys that didn't have a defensive player within 5, 10, or sometimes 15 yards of his receiver.
It's funny, but I don't remember too many people complaining about the defense when the Pats won 13 out of 14 games going into the Super Bowl. In fact, I was hearing how Belichick and Patricia had figured the defense out. To solely blame the defense now for the loss seems ridiculous to me. Was it the defense's fault that Brady could only get in the end zone once in the fist half? Was it the defense's fault that Brady and the offense had to settle for 3 field goal attempts in the first half? Was it the defense's fault that the offense had a turnover on downs in the first half?
I hate to bring this up again, but the offense needed to have more sustained drives to help give their defense a blow and recover on the sidelines. Foles managed to have that 7 minute drive, which lead to their last touchdown. I'm not sure what the real time was, but that was a needed break for the Philly defense. Coincidentally, a "rested" Philly defense made the strip sack two plays later.
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I still think Philly wins regardless if Butler plays or not. If anything, the Pats DBs clearly did a better job of covering their receivers than Philly. It seemed like Foles had to make pin point passes virtually every time because his guys always seemed to have been covered. Brady, on the other hand, was completing passes to guys that didn't have a defensive player within 5, 10, or sometimes 15 yards of his receiver.
Butler is one of your best tacklers in the secondary. We didn't lose because the coverage was god-awful (it was not great, but not putrid either), we lost because we gave up yards after the catch in situations where one good tackle gets you off the field. Having someone like Butler who can close space quickly and tackle reliably was absolutely the difference. You only need to look as far as that 3rd and 8th in the third quarter when Bademosi had Agholor in his hands 4 yards or so short of a first and couldn't bring him down.
It's funny, but I don't remember too many people complaining about the defense when the Pats won 13 out of 14 games going into the Super Bowl. In fact, I was hearing how Belichick and Patricia had figured the defense out.
Yeah, and you know what happened with the defense during that 14-run? Malcolm Butler was playing (nearly) every snap. Well, he played zero snaps on Sunday and Belichick and Patricia chose to pretend that the nickel with Richards or Bademosi actually worked. It didn't.
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That said, it's really important for other members of the coaching staff not to try to do Bill's job for him because they dont believe he can do it. It's Bill's job. Believe in the system. It works a lot. No system is perfect.
Sure. But Bill was wrong, and it would have been awesome if Patricia, who had nothing at stake, would have called him out in the middle of the SB. Not that I expected it to happen, anyway.
How do you know if Matt Patricia didn't talk to Bill behind closed doors and questioned the decision? Besides, the next man up mentality has worked throughout Bill's tenure in New England, so the Super Bowl should have been no exception.
You know what else has worked in New England? Recognizing when something or someone is not getting the job done and making adjustments (as opposed just stubbornly trying to jam a square peg in a round hole).
Plenty of examples: benching Logan Ryan when he was getting torched against Seattle worked, trying to stubbornly run against Miami didn't. And trying just as stubbornly to play nickel without Butler on Sunday clearly didn't work.
I wonder how players who did their job feel about Belichick throwing all their hard work away. You can talk about the Patriot way all you want, but I'll bet you that at least some prominent players in that locker room are pretty angry right now.
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I still think Philly wins regardless if Butler plays or not. If anything, the Pats DBs clearly did a better job of covering their receivers than Philly. It seemed like Foles had to make pin point passes virtually every time because his guys always seemed to have been covered. Brady, on the other hand, was completing passes to guys that didn't have a defensive player within 5, 10, or sometimes 15 yards of his receiver.
Butler is one of your best tacklers in the secondary. We didn't lose because the coverage was god-awful (it was not great, but not putrid either), we lost because we gave up yards after the catch in situations where one good tackle gets you off the field. Having someone like Butler who can close space quickly and tackle reliably was absolutely the difference. You only need to look as far as that 3rd and 8th in the third quarter when Bademosi had Agholor in his hands 4 yards or so short of a first and couldn't bring him down.
Let's not make it seem like Foles was just throwing passes to guys that were 5 yards or less past the line of scrimmage. Foles was spreading the ball all over the field. With the way Foles was throwing the ball, and assuming the Pats tackled every time after the catch, then the game would have just ended up being a slow painful death (Pats lose). It would have just lead to multiple 7 plus minute drives for Philly, the Pats defense would have been totally exhausted in the fourth quarter, and it wouldn't have been a one score game at the end. And BTW, Philly showed they were willing to go for it on fourth down on multiple occasions too. Philly wasn't going to be denied and showed they were willing to do anything to win. The Pats seemed like they thought they were going to win just because they showed up.
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I still think Philly wins regardless if Butler plays or not. If anything, the Pats DBs clearly did a better job of covering their receivers than Philly. It seemed like Foles had to make pin point passes virtually every time because his guys always seemed to have been covered. Brady, on the other hand, was completing passes to guys that didn't have a defensive player within 5, 10, or sometimes 15 yards of his receiver.
Butler is one of your best tacklers in the secondary. We didn't lose because the coverage was god-awful (it was not great, but not putrid either), we lost because we gave up yards after the catch in situations where one good tackle gets you off the field. Having someone like Butler who can close space quickly and tackle reliably was absolutely the difference. You only need to look as far as that 3rd and 8th in the third quarter when Bademosi had Agholor in his hands 4 yards or so short of a first and couldn't bring him down.
Let's not make it seem like Foles was just throwing passes to guys that were 5 yards or less past the line of scrimmage. Foles was spreading the ball all over the field. With the way Foles was throwing the ball, and assuming the Pats tackled every time after the catch, then the game would have just ended up being a slow painful death (Pats lose). It would have just lead to multiple 7 plus minute drives for Philly, the Pats defense would have been totally exhausted in the fourth quarter, and it wouldn't have been a one score game at the end. And BTW, Philly showed they were willing to go for it on fourth down on multiple occasions too. Philly wasn't going to be denied and showed they were willing to do anything to win. The Pats seemed like they thought they were going to win just because they showed up.
I've got no idea what you're talking about. When you stop the other team on third down, that means you're actually putting your offense in the game and your defense gets to rest.
There were specific situations where you needed to make one tackle to get off the field, and the Patriots weren't able to. In some of those cases, the guilty party was a player who wouldn't have been on the field if Butler was simply demoted to 3rd corner rather than yanked from the rotation altogether.
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I still think Philly wins regardless if Butler plays or not. If anything, the Pats DBs clearly did a better job of covering their receivers than Philly. It seemed like Foles had to make pin point passes virtually every time because his guys always seemed to have been covered. Brady, on the other hand, was completing passes to guys that didn't have a defensive player within 5, 10, or sometimes 15 yards of his receiver.
Butler is one of your best tacklers in the secondary. We didn't lose because the coverage was god-awful (it was not great, but not putrid either), we lost because we gave up yards after the catch in situations where one good tackle gets you off the field. Having someone like Butler who can close space quickly and tackle reliably was absolutely the difference. You only need to look as far as that 3rd and 8th in the third quarter when Bademosi had Agholor in his hands 4 yards or so short of a first and couldn't bring him down.
Let's not make it seem like Foles was just throwing passes to guys that were 5 yards or less past the line of scrimmage. Foles was spreading the ball all over the field. With the way Foles was throwing the ball, and assuming the Pats tackled every time after the catch, then the game would have just ended up being a slow painful death (Pats lose). It would have just lead to multiple 7 plus minute drives for Philly, the Pats defense would have been totally exhausted in the fourth quarter, and it wouldn't have been a one score game at the end. And BTW, Philly showed they were willing to go for it on fourth down on multiple occasions too. Philly wasn't going to be denied and showed they were willing to do anything to win. The Pats seemed like they thought they were going to win just because they showed up.
are you actually arguing that by missing tackles and giving up yards, which led to TD's the Patriots were actually better off.
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are you actually arguing that by missing tackles and giving up yards, which led to TD's the Patriots were actually better off.
Either that, or he's claiming that there is no difference whether we tackle or not. One would wonder why play the game in the first place.
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I disagree. Even with a relative lack of pressure, most QBs aren’t going to hit their passes with the crispness, touch and accuracy that Foles did. He put the ball exactly where it needed to be.
Here's where I end up on this.
Foles played a good game. He showed he belonged on that stage in that role.
The Patriots defense was terrible, hardly putting up any resistance apart from a flukey interception.
The Eagles had 164 rushing yards on 27 rushes. Foles was not sacked in the game. I can't find the hurry / pressure stats, but my impression is that Foles was hurried / pressured far less than Brady, especially in the fourth quarter.
Both teams got most of what they wanted on offense. That's a testament to two quarterbacks who played a hell of a game, as well as various skill players on both sides that performed well.
The Eagles got pressure at the end, which resulted in a stop when they really needed one. They were able to run the ball for positive yardage whenever they needed to. They could probably have held onto the ball for even more of the game than they did, if they had tried to really eat clock.
The Pats lost the time of possession battle by almost 10 minutes, due in large part to their inability to stop the run, and they ultimately could not get a stop when they needed one in the fourth quarter.
In a game that was very close, I would argue the battle that ended up mattering the most was the Eagles offensive line versus the Patriots defensive line. The Patriots lost that battle decisively.
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I actually blame Belichick the GM more than Belichick the coach. I'm not exactly sure about Butler and what happened there. If he missed the flight, missed curfew, was having attitude issues AND was getting lit up in practice, I could see where Belichick would sit him. Let's assume that Butler wasn't in the game plan.
The Patriots defense was a suspect unit this year. Belichick/Patricia coached them up for a decent stretch near the end of the regular season, but this unit still stunk. I'm not saying that there were the worst Patriots defense, but they were far from the best. A quick examination of the stats shows that this unit had no business playing in a Super Bowl.
Yes Hightower got hurt, but their D-Line, linebackers, and cornerbacks were not good enough. Philadelphia had a much better D on paper. They too got lit up by Tom Brady, but that is expected.
I was watching post game interviews of certain defenders and I had no idea who they were. Eric Lee? Johnson Bademosi? Marquis Flowers? Adam Butler? Jordan Richards? These guys should not be getting major minutes in a Super Bowl.
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I was watching post game interviews of certain defenders and I had no idea who they were. Eric Lee? Johnson Bademosi? Marquis Flowers? Adam Butler? Jordan Richards? These guys should not be getting major minutes in a Super Bowl.
Frankly, that's more your problem than the Patriots' problem...
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I was surprised when, after the game, I checked how Philly did on third downs and saw that they WEREN'T perfect on third down (outside of the two times they failed on third but then succeeded on fourth).
The defense was just plain incompetent most of the game. I think Rowe was awful, and should've been able to deflect the TD pass to Jeffrey. I also think the TD pass to Clement against double coverage should've been batted away by one of the two defenders (not to mention that it wasn't even a valid catch). The Bademosi missed tackle. Just awfulness all around.
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I still think Philly wins regardless if Butler plays or not. If anything, the Pats DBs clearly did a better job of covering their receivers than Philly. It seemed like Foles had to make pin point passes virtually every time because his guys always seemed to have been covered. Brady, on the other hand, was completing passes to guys that didn't have a defensive player within 5, 10, or sometimes 15 yards of his receiver.
Butler is one of your best tacklers in the secondary. We didn't lose because the coverage was god-awful (it was not great, but not putrid either), we lost because we gave up yards after the catch in situations where one good tackle gets you off the field. Having someone like Butler who can close space quickly and tackle reliably was absolutely the difference. You only need to look as far as that 3rd and 8th in the third quarter when Bademosi had Agholor in his hands 4 yards or so short of a first and couldn't bring him down.
Let's not make it seem like Foles was just throwing passes to guys that were 5 yards or less past the line of scrimmage. Foles was spreading the ball all over the field. With the way Foles was throwing the ball, and assuming the Pats tackled every time after the catch, then the game would have just ended up being a slow painful death (Pats lose). It would have just lead to multiple 7 plus minute drives for Philly, the Pats defense would have been totally exhausted in the fourth quarter, and it wouldn't have been a one score game at the end. And BTW, Philly showed they were willing to go for it on fourth down on multiple occasions too. Philly wasn't going to be denied and showed they were willing to do anything to win. The Pats seemed like they thought they were going to win just because they showed up.
I've got no idea what you're talking about. When you stop the other team on third down, that means you're actually putting your offense in the game and your defense gets to rest.
There were specific situations where you needed to make one tackle to get off the field, and the Patriots weren't able to. In some of those cases, the guilty party was a player who wouldn't have been on the field if Butler was simply demoted to 3rd corner rather than yanked from the rotation altogether.
You referenced how the Pats could have stopped Philly on one third down play but missed the tackle. I don't recall Philly going for a field goal on fourth and goal, after the Pats made a third down stop. I also don't recall Philly punting the ball in the fourth when the Pats made another third down stop. Like I said, Philly was not playing it safe. Yes, Philly did punt once, but they also showed they were willing to use four downs to make the first down too.
My point about the tackling issue is that Foles was throwing the ball in the air past the first down marker, and getting first downs regardless of the run after the catch. He wasn't dinking and dunking like Kansas City's former QB Alex Smith. Foles was also pin point accurate. Unless I'm forgetting the whole game already, you may have referenced one of the few exceptions. From my perspective, Philly was going to score virtually every time they got the ball, but the time of possession of each drive just depended on the Patriots ability to tackle.
I still think Philly's defense played far worse than the Pats.
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I still think Philly wins regardless if Butler plays or not. If anything, the Pats DBs clearly did a better job of covering their receivers than Philly. It seemed like Foles had to make pin point passes virtually every time because his guys always seemed to have been covered. Brady, on the other hand, was completing passes to guys that didn't have a defensive player within 5, 10, or sometimes 15 yards of his receiver.
Butler is one of your best tacklers in the secondary. We didn't lose because the coverage was god-awful (it was not great, but not putrid either), we lost because we gave up yards after the catch in situations where one good tackle gets you off the field. Having someone like Butler who can close space quickly and tackle reliably was absolutely the difference. You only need to look as far as that 3rd and 8th in the third quarter when Bademosi had Agholor in his hands 4 yards or so short of a first and couldn't bring him down.
Let's not make it seem like Foles was just throwing passes to guys that were 5 yards or less past the line of scrimmage. Foles was spreading the ball all over the field. With the way Foles was throwing the ball, and assuming the Pats tackled every time after the catch, then the game would have just ended up being a slow painful death (Pats lose). It would have just lead to multiple 7 plus minute drives for Philly, the Pats defense would have been totally exhausted in the fourth quarter, and it wouldn't have been a one score game at the end. And BTW, Philly showed they were willing to go for it on fourth down on multiple occasions too. Philly wasn't going to be denied and showed they were willing to do anything to win. The Pats seemed like they thought they were going to win just because they showed up.
I've got no idea what you're talking about. When you stop the other team on third down, that means you're actually putting your offense in the game and your defense gets to rest.
There were specific situations where you needed to make one tackle to get off the field, and the Patriots weren't able to. In some of those cases, the guilty party was a player who wouldn't have been on the field if Butler was simply demoted to 3rd corner rather than yanked from the rotation altogether.
You referenced how the Pats could have stopped Philly on one third down play but missed the tackle. I don't recall Philly going for a field goal on fourth and goal, after the Pats made a third down stop. I also don't recall Philly punting the ball in the fourth when the Pats made another third down stop. Like I said, Philly was not playing it safe. Yes, Philly did punt once, but they also showed they were willing to use four downs to make the first down too.
My point about the tackling issue is that Foles was throwing the ball in the air past the first down marker, and getting first downs regardless of the run after the catch. He wasn't dinking and dunking like Kansas City's former QB Alex Smith. Foles was also pin point accurate. Unless I'm forgetting the whole game already, you may have referenced one of the few exceptions. From my perspective, Philly was going to score virtually every time they got the ball, but the time of possession of each drive just depended on the Patriots ability to tackle.
I still think Philly's defense played far worse than the Pats.
Well, Philly gave up fewer points, which is really all that matters in the end. Though I think that New England's offense helped out Philly's D in the first half by going conservative—if they'd been aggressive then, they probably win in spite of their bad D, and then in that case you could say for sure that, yes, Philly's defense was worse.
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Where the Pats lost the game, IMO:
If they go for the 4th and less than a half yard from the 5 in the first quarter, I could totally see them making it and punching it in...7 points lost.
If on the 4th and 5 from the 35 they kick the FG instead of going for it....3 points lost
Missed PAT...one point loss.
That's the game in my opinion. Bad coaching decisions by Belichick whereas Pederson was aggressive all game.
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Where the Pats lost the game, IMO:
If they go for the 4th and less than a half yard from the 5 in the first quarter, I could totally see them making it and punching it in...7 points lost.
If on the 4th and 5 from the 35 they kick the FG instead of going for it....3 points lost
Missed PAT...one point loss.
That's the game in my opinion. Bad coaching decisions by Belichick whereas Pederson was aggressive all game.
You've got the benefit of hindsight. It's easy to say that Pederson's decisions worked out better than Belichick's, but that doesn't necessarily make them poor decisions. Poor execution was more the problem.
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If they go for the 4th and less than a half yard from the 5 in the first quarter, I could totally see them making it and punching it in...7 points lost.
This is a good point that I'd forgotten about; I remember being surprised and disappointed they kicked a FG instead of going for it. Unless it's a game winning field goal, I don't know why you wouldn't just take your chances. Worst case you pin the opponent on their own 5.
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Where the Pats lost the game, IMO:
If they go for the 4th and less than a half yard from the 5 in the first quarter, I could totally see them making it and punching it in...7 points lost.
If on the 4th and 5 from the 35 they kick the FG instead of going for it....3 points lost
Missed PAT...one point loss.
That's the game in my opinion. Bad coaching decisions by Belichick whereas Pederson was aggressive all game.
You've got the benefit of hindsight. It's easy to say that Pederson's decisions worked out better than Belichick's, but that doesn't necessarily make them poor decisions. Poor execution was more the problem.
and if the Eagles don't miss a PAT, they don't go for 2 in the first half (which they missed), and then also don't go for 2 in the second half (which they also missed). That is 3 points the Eagles left on the table, all because they missed the first PAT and have an aggressive coach, but what if the Eagles lost the game because they missed those 3 points.
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And if the Pats stop the Eagles on that 4th and 1 (oh so close) in the 4th quarter, they get the ball back, up by 1 on the Philly side of the field.
There are a million different scenarios where the Pats should have won.
In the end, though, it really comes down to the complete lack of pressure on Foles. Did he even get knocked down once? I know people are saying that he still had to make the passes, but any half-way decent QB can make accurate passes if they just get to stand in the pocket without any chance of pressure. I actually thought the DBs did a decent job given the circumstances.
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And if the Pats stop the Eagles on that 4th and 1 (oh so close) in the 4th quarter, they get the ball back, up by 1 on the Philly side of the field.
There are a million different scenarios where the Pats should have won.
In the end, though, it really comes down to the complete lack of pressure on Foles. Did he even get knocked down once? I know people are saying that he still had to make the passes, but any half-way decent QB can make accurate passes if they just get to stand in the pocket without any chance of pressure. I actually thought the DBs did a decent job given the circumstances.
I recall seeing him hurried maybe 3 times, but no knockdowns. I credit him for making the plays he made, but yeah, lots of nonstar QBs could've done well in those circumstances.
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And if the Pats stop the Eagles on that 4th and 1 (oh so close) in the 4th quarter, they get the ball back, up by 1 on the Philly side of the field.
There are a million different scenarios where the Pats should have won.
In the end, though, it really comes down to the complete lack of pressure on Foles. Did he even get knocked down once? I know people are saying that he still had to make the passes, but any half-way decent QB can make accurate passes if they just get to stand in the pocket without any chance of pressure. I actually thought the DBs did a decent job given the circumstances.
I recall seeing him hurried maybe 3 times, but no knockdowns. I credit him for making the plays he made, but yeah, lots of nonstar QBs could've done well in those circumstances.
Credit that Philly O line. They were the stars of the game.
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The Patriots were down five points and driving with plenty of time and the best "closing drive" players and coaches in history.
Brady fumbled. Eagles made it 8 points and took time off the clock.
What exactly this has to do with whom was playing cornerback is beyond me.
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The Patriots were down five points and driving with plenty of time and the best "closing drive" players and coaches in history.
Brady fumbled. Eagles made it 8 points and took time off the clock.
What exactly this has to do with whom was playing cornerback is beyond me.
It might come as a shock to you, but there were 48 minutes of football prior to that which did, in fact, affect the final outcome of the game.
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And if the Pats stop the Eagles on that 4th and 1 (oh so close) in the 4th quarter, they get the ball back, up by 1 on the Philly side of the field.
There are a million different scenarios where the Pats should have won.
In the end, though, it really comes down to the complete lack of pressure on Foles. Did he even get knocked down once? I know people are saying that he still had to make the passes, but any half-way decent QB can make accurate passes if they just get to stand in the pocket without any chance of pressure. I actually thought the DBs did a decent job given the circumstances.
I recall seeing him hurried maybe 3 times, but no knockdowns. I credit him for making the plays he made, but yeah, lots of nonstar QBs could've done well in those circumstances.
I think the official stat is 5 QB hits for the Pats. I certainly recall seeing Foles hit pretty hard at least once.
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The Patriots were down five points and driving with plenty of time and the best "closing drive" players and coaches in history.
Brady fumbled. Eagles made it 8 points and took time off the clock.
What exactly this has to do with whom was playing cornerback is beyond me.
For a team that allowed 41 points in the biggest game of their careers, mostly had everything to do with certain cornerbacks playing aside from horrible game-planning.
And for the record, Shaq Mason didn't beat Graham on time thus the strip sacked happened.
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So Butler says he didn't miss any curfews...
http://www.weei.com/blogs/scott-mclaughlin/malcolm-butler-denies-attending-any-concerts-or-missing-any-curfews-during
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And if the Pats stop the Eagles on that 4th and 1 (oh so close) in the 4th quarter, they get the ball back, up by 1 on the Philly side of the field.
There are a million different scenarios where the Pats should have won.
In the end, though, it really comes down to the complete lack of pressure on Foles. Did he even get knocked down once? I know people are saying that he still had to make the passes, but any half-way decent QB can make accurate passes if they just get to stand in the pocket without any chance of pressure. I actually thought the DBs did a decent job given the circumstances.
I recall seeing him hurried maybe 3 times, but no knockdowns. I credit him for making the plays he made, but yeah, lots of nonstar QBs could've done well in those circumstances.
Credit that Philly O line. They were the stars of the game.
I certainly give them credit. Then again, it's not like they were trying to stop Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, and a prime James Harrison.
And if the Pats stop the Eagles on that 4th and 1 (oh so close) in the 4th quarter, they get the ball back, up by 1 on the Philly side of the field.
There are a million different scenarios where the Pats should have won.
In the end, though, it really comes down to the complete lack of pressure on Foles. Did he even get knocked down once? I know people are saying that he still had to make the passes, but any half-way decent QB can make accurate passes if they just get to stand in the pocket without any chance of pressure. I actually thought the DBs did a decent job given the circumstances.
I recall seeing him hurried maybe 3 times, but no knockdowns. I credit him for making the plays he made, but yeah, lots of nonstar QBs could've done well in those circumstances.
I think the official stat is 5 QB hits for the Pats. I certainly recall seeing Foles hit pretty hard at least once.
Thanks for the clarification. I knew it was very little pressure.
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And if the Pats stop the Eagles on that 4th and 1 (oh so close) in the 4th quarter, they get the ball back, up by 1 on the Philly side of the field.
There are a million different scenarios where the Pats should have won.
In the end, though, it really comes down to the complete lack of pressure on Foles. Did he even get knocked down once? I know people are saying that he still had to make the passes, but any half-way decent QB can make accurate passes if they just get to stand in the pocket without any chance of pressure. I actually thought the DBs did a decent job given the circumstances.
I recall seeing him hurried maybe 3 times, but no knockdowns. I credit him for making the plays he made, but yeah, lots of nonstar QBs could've done well in those circumstances.
Credit that Philly O line. They were the stars of the game.
I certainly give them credit. Then again, it's not like they were trying to stop Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, and a prime James Harrison.
Yeah, except that same Pats defense had like 11 sacks in the last two games in the playoffs. I give a ton of credit to that Philly O line.