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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: csfansince60s on January 23, 2018, 09:07:17 PM
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From Woj and Windhorst on ESPN:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22191078/cleveland-cavaliers-sacramento-kings-working-deal-involving-george-hill
Sacramento has to clear a roster spot to take on one or two additional players in a deal with Cleveland and has been discussing deals for young forwards Malachi Richardson and Skal Labissiere to clear roster spots, league sources said.
Maybe Kings clear 2 spots in a 2 for 1. Either Yabusele or Rozier for Skal and Richardson work and is something I'd do.
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I'd do it, for Yabusele.
Richardson + Skal for Yabusele and a future 2nd rounder? Sure!
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It would be a total Kings move to trade Skal because they've moved George Hill for spare parts.
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From the end of the article
“Frye would be eager to negotiate a buyout with the Kings on his $7.4 million expiring contract, league sources said.”
DPE?
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So why are the Kings giving up on this guy?
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So why are the Kings giving up on this guy?
I'm going with "Because the Kings are stupid." Maybe they think Harry Giles will play professional basketball or something
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It would be a total Kings move to trade Skal because they've moved George Hill for spare parts.
Would love to see it and us be the beneficiaries. That franchise still has some messed up priorities.
Maybe they have buyers remorse with Hill.
Both Skal and especially Richardson are pretty buried on the depth chart.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
Exactly.
That's why I suggested Yabs (with some pick) or Rozier by himself for both Skal and Malachi.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
True, but I think they want to do a two for one to clear the roster spot. So if it's both Skal and Richardson, it'd have to be Yabs or Rozier.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
Exactly.
That's why I suggested Yabs (with some pick) or Rozier by himself for both Skal and Malachi.
But isn't the point of what SAC trading him to create open roster spot? So trading a player with guaranteed contract wouldn't make sense no?
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But Sac would be trading 2 guys (roster spots) and only getting one guy (roster spot) back so would be a net -1 (loss) of one roster spot for them, which is what they want.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
True, but I think they want to do a two for one to clear the roster spot. So if it's both Skal and Richardson, it'd have to be Yabs or Rozier.
Missed that part. Maybe they can convince Garrett Temple to decline his player option to be traded to a title contender. Getting out from that should be worth something to SAC. So Nader for Skal and DPE and cash for Temple.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
True, but I think they want to do a two for one to clear the roster spot. So if it's both Skal and Richardson, it'd have to be Yabs or Rozier.
Missed that part. Maybe they can convince Garrett Temple to decline his player option to be traded to a title contender. Getting out from that should be worth something to SAC. So Nader for Skal and DPE and cash for Temple.
TP, salt, very inventive.....sign me up for any of these scenarios proffered where we get Skal.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
However, Sacto want roster spots, so that trade doesn't help them.
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I was in favor of trading AB to the Kings for Skal (before the DET deal) so you can obviously count me in on this trade.
I think that Skal still has quite a bit of potential and he has shown that he can actually be productive when given the chance. Danny loves former #1 prospects so you'd have to think there could be some interest. Could Brad get Skal to buy into our defensive philosophy.
On a related note, didn't SAC just announce to the world that they are going to start playing young players a lot more and sitting veterans? I guess Skal doesn't pass the test of young player worth playing(?).
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
However, Sacto want roster spots, so that trade doesn't help them.
They can do that trade first and then waive Nader creating a roster spot. Though I got the impression they wanted actual value for Richardson or Skal, such that Nader and cash (for waiving) wouldn't be enough. They probably want at least a 1st back and frankly I might do it for Boston's 1st this year. Nader, BOS 1st, cash for Skal works for me.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
However, Sacto want roster spots, so that trade doesn't help them.
They can do that trade first and then waive Nader creating a roster spot. Though I got the impression they wanted actual value for Richardson or Skal, such that Nader and cash (for waiving) wouldn't be enough. They probably want at least a 1st back and frankly I might do it for Boston's 1st this year. Nader, BOS 1st, cash for Skal works for me.
One doesn't preclude the other. And I suspect the idea is to move them for someone who is expiring, so that they don't have to eat multiple years of their salary when waiving them, as a minimum. Like Skal and Richardson, Nader is on the book for multiple years.
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On a related note, didn't SAC just announce to the world that they are going to start playing young players a lot more and sitting veterans? I guess Skal doesn't pass the test of young player worth playing(?).
They already have WCS at this poisition, and WCS has been better.
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Any times the Kings want to do something, I'm happy to be on the other side of that trade.
Mike
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
However, Sacto want roster spots, so that trade doesn't help them.
They can do that trade first and then waive Nader creating a roster spot. Though I got the impression they wanted actual value for Richardson or Skal, such that Nader and cash (for waiving) wouldn't be enough. They probably want at least a 1st back and frankly I might do it for Boston's 1st this year. Nader, BOS 1st, cash for Skal works for me.
One doesn't preclude the other. And I suspect the idea is to move them for someone who is expiring, so that they don't have to eat multiple years of their salary when waiving them, as a minimum. Like Skal and Richardson, Nader is on the book for multiple years.
Nader is only partially guaranteed this summer (and obviously the following years). The guarantee is 450k. So the rest of this season and the buy out is right around a million dollars. It is pretty easy to eat that. Semi and Theis are also only partially guaranteed, but they are better than Nader and wouldn't make sense to trade in that type of scenario.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
However, Sacto want roster spots, so that trade doesn't help them.
They can do that trade first and then waive Nader creating a roster spot. Though I got the impression they wanted actual value for Richardson or Skal, such that Nader and cash (for waiving) wouldn't be enough. They probably want at least a 1st back and frankly I might do it for Boston's 1st this year. Nader, BOS 1st, cash for Skal works for me.
One doesn't preclude the other. And I suspect the idea is to move them for someone who is expiring, so that they don't have to eat multiple years of their salary when waiving them, as a minimum. Like Skal and Richardson, Nader is on the book for multiple years.
Nader is only partially guaranteed this summer (and obviously the following years). The guarantee is 450k. So the rest of this season and the buy out is right around a million dollars. It is pretty easy to eat that. Semi and Theis are also only partially guaranteed, but they are better than Nader and wouldn't make sense to trade in that type of scenario.
As someone who wanted to draft Skal (twice) I’d love it if we explored options to acquire him for cheap.
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
However, Sacto want roster spots, so that trade doesn't help them.
They can do that trade first and then waive Nader creating a roster spot. Though I got the impression they wanted actual value for Richardson or Skal, such that Nader and cash (for waiving) wouldn't be enough. They probably want at least a 1st back and frankly I might do it for Boston's 1st this year. Nader, BOS 1st, cash for Skal works for me.
One doesn't preclude the other. And I suspect the idea is to move them for someone who is expiring, so that they don't have to eat multiple years of their salary when waiving them, as a minimum. Like Skal and Richardson, Nader is on the book for multiple years.
Nader is only partially guaranteed this summer (and obviously the following years). The guarantee is 450k. So the rest of this season and the buy out is right around a million dollars. It is pretty easy to eat that. Semi and Theis are also only partially guaranteed, but they are better than Nader and wouldn't make sense to trade in that type of scenario.
As someone who wanted to draft Skal (twice) I’d love it if we explored options to acquire him for cheap.
We could act as the third team in this scenario if we were willing to use the DPE and trade Nader.
As part of a larger deal with CLE:
Nader for Skal
Frye into the DPE (subsequently bought out // or used if Stevens likes him)
That facilitates 2 roster spots for Sac and removes a contract matching issue for both SAC and CLE. We may be able to get more in picks possibly for the service.
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Maybe it's just me, but if our DPE is used up on Channing Frye, I'll be disappointed.
Yes, we could also get back Skal (by trading Nader or Yabu), but what will REALLY help us in the playoffs is someone like Greg Monroe, Tyreke Evans or Tyson Chandler. NOT Frye.
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Maybe it's just me, but if our DPE is used up on Channing Frye, I'll be disappointed.
It is definitely NOT just you.
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Maybe it's just me, but if our DPE is used up on Channing Frye, I'll be disappointed.
Yes, we could also get back Skal (by trading Nader or Yabu), but what will REALLY help us in the playoffs is someone like Greg Monroe, Tyreke Evans or Tyson Chandler. NOT Frye.
Its just an idea of how to actually give them value for Skal, they're looking for open roster spots so simply trading them 1 for 1 is less appealing to them.
If Ainge is able to use the DPE on a guy that will help us make the finals then i'm all for it, otherwise I'd like to see it maximized in a way like this to bring value from it beyond this season.
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Read an article that in order for the Cavs and Kings to make a deal for Hill, the Kings would move Skal since they would be taking on Frye and Shumpert.
I think he would give us some much needed size. His contract is manageable and he's young.
Somehow Ainge always has a hand in whatever deal the Cavs are trying to make? LOL Keep it up Danny!
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Discussed here:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95140.0 (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95140.0)
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If we could snag Skal for them to clear room for a trade, that’d be sick. That kid still has a ton of potential, and we’re kind of lacking in young bigs, too.
Hell, I’d give up that LAC pick abd the DPE for him easily!
He's under contract for 3 years though, so he can't be had for the DPE.
True, but he can be had for Nader.
True, but I think they want to do a two for one to clear the roster spot. So if it's both Skal and Richardson, it'd have to be Yabs or Rozier.
Missed that part. Maybe they can convince Garrett Temple to decline his player option to be traded to a title contender. Getting out from that should be worth something to SAC. So Nader for Skal and DPE and cash for Temple.
TP, salt, very inventive.....sign me up for any of these scenarios proffered where we get Skal.
Yeah, that works for me. Skal is too big a question mark to give up much for but he definitely has potential. He's athletic and he's hit a fair percentage of 3 pointers (in few attempts) in his career. I'd bring him in on the cheap.
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Yeah, that works for me. Skal is too big a question mark to give up much for but he definitely has potential.
Nader does not constitute much, heck I would throw in a second rounder if it helped.
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9 people voted "NO", but I don't think that any of them expressed that opinion here in a post.
I was the the OP and obviously voted "YES".
Just curious why people would vote "NO".