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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Smitty77 on January 21, 2018, 02:49:33 PM
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I have been a Smart defender, but I am DONE!!!
He is HORRIBLE.
Trade him NOW before we literally NOTHING for him because EVERYONE figures it out!!
This is the WORST 3 game home stand in my recent memory!!
We are BROKEN!!
This is NO joke!! There is no defending our play the last three games!! I don't want to hear that we will be 6-4 our last 10. Who care!! We are going to be 0-3 at home the last three. That is what I CARE ABOUT!!
Smitty77
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
Do we EVEN want him BACK at the QO??
Smitty77
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
Do we EVEN want him BACK at the QO??
Smitty77
Yes.
I missed the game, but what did Marcus do in particular? The game was blown open in the third with the starters in there, and the entire bench shot poorly. Why was this one your breaking point?
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if you were to judge on the last 3 games, who goes and who stays.
everyone not name Irving would be shopped.
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
Do we EVEN want him BACK at the QO??
Smitty77
Yes.
I missed the game, but what did Marcus do in particular? The game was blown open in the third with the starters in there, and the entire bench shot poorly. Why was this one your breaking point?
Three straight possessions where he either turned it over or did something stupid. Helped Orlando push the lead up to double digits.
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
Do we EVEN want him BACK at the QO??
Smitty77
Yes.
I missed the game, but what did Marcus do in particular? The game was blown open in the third with the starters in there, and the entire bench shot poorly. Why was this one your breaking point?
I don't know Roy. Maybe because we lost to a 13-win team that had lost 16 of their last 18 games and were playing without Vuvevic, Ross, Isaac, and Afflalo at HOME!!
I would tell you to go back and watch it, but don't WASTE your time.
Smitty77
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if you were to judge on the last 3 games, who goes and who stays.
everyone not name Irving would be shopped.
If I could give this two tommy points I would.
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I have been a Smart defender, but I am DONE!!!
He is HORRIBLE.
Trade him NOW before we literally NOTHING for him because EVERYONE figures it out!!
This is the WORST 3 game home stand in my recent memory!!
We are BROKEN!!
This is NO joke!! There is no defending our play the last three games!! I don't want to hear that we will be 6-4 our last 10. Who care!! We are going to be 0-3 at home the last three. That is what I CARE ABOUT!!
Smitty77
over react much? and while we are at it, let's charge up those threads that demand ainge be fired, CBS replaced, and a herd of silly trades take place. ::)
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I have been a Smart defender, but I am DONE!!!
He is HORRIBLE.
Trade him NOW before we literally NOTHING for him because EVERYONE figures it out!!
This is the WORST 3 game home stand in my recent memory!!
We are BROKEN!!
This is NO joke!! There is no defending our play the last three games!! I don't want to hear that we will be 6-4 our last 10. Who care!! We are going to be 0-3 at home the last three. That is what I CARE ABOUT!!
Smitty77
over react much? and while we are at it, let's charge up those threads that demand ainge be fired, CBS replaced, and a herd of silly trades take place. ::)
Then, it is VERY odd that in the previous post game interview with Brad, he mentioned that our offense has been "BROKEN" for a while now. Go back and listen to it for me, OK? Is Brad over-reacting, OR is he speaking TRUTH. Stay in denial and watch us struggle to win 50, which would be abysmal if that occurred, given our start in the first half!! (That is, IF we do NOT make some changes!!)
Smitty77
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Marcus is ok. He has a ruff game or two every now and then.
He ll be great in the playofs.
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Marcus is ok. He has a ruff game or two every now and then.
He ll be great in the playofs.
You mean, in our ONE playoff series?:-))))
Smitty77
P.S. I think there is a 30 to 35% chance that Smart is gone by the deadline.
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Then, it is VERY odd that in the previous post game interview with Brad, he mentioned that our offense has been "BROKEN" for a while now.
He’s right. But, is that attributable to Marcus?
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
Do we EVEN want him BACK at the QO??
Smitty77
Yes.
I missed the game, but what did Marcus do in particular? The game was blown open in the third with the starters in there, and the entire bench shot poorly. Why was this one your breaking point?
Honestly, looked like Smart and Morris stayed out late at the strip club last night.
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Nah Smart goes no where now. Can probably get him back for cheap. Andre Roberson money.
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And overreaction season has arrived
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Three straight possessions where he either turned it over or did something stupid. Helped Orlando push the lead up to double digits.
I was thinking the same thing- those 3 plays were beyond ridiculous. Did he get in the game again after that stint? I cannot think of a single positive from Marcus today. Rozier stunk on offense but had a couple of steals and played ok D, Marcus nothing.
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HAS TO GO NOW.. And im not even joking.
Include Rozier and send em to LA for lou williams.. Include a future second rounder or late first if we have to.
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Trade machine:
Smart and Nader to clippers for Lou Williams..doubt clips would do it
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Three straight possessions where he either turned it over or did something stupid. Helped Orlando push the lead up to double digits.
I was thinking the same thing- those 3 plays were beyond ridiculous. Did he get in the game again after that stint? I cannot think of a single positive from Marcus today. Rozier stunk on offense but had a couple of steals and played ok D, Marcus nothing.
Didn't play in Q4 from a quick search of the play-by-play.
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
Do we EVEN want him BACK at the QO??
Smitty77
Yes.
I missed the game, but what did Marcus do in particular? The game was blown open in the third with the starters in there, and the entire bench shot poorly. Why was this one your breaking point?
Honestly, looked like Smart and Morris stayed out late at the strip club last night.
Eh. Self-care is important too.
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I didn't get to see the game but on my ESPN App I did see the stretch of 3 plays in a row with a Smart turnover. However, I do think Marcus is the kind of player that will realize this, own it, and come back angry next game and make up for it.
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Danny will not sell low on anyone and especially not Smart.
Look at the bright side ....if he keeps crapping out, we get him for the QO this summer.
Do we EVEN want him BACK at the QO??
Smitty77
Yes.
I missed the game, but what did Marcus do in particular? The game was blown open in the third with the starters in there, and the entire bench shot poorly. Why was this one your breaking point?
Honestly, looked like Smart and Morris stayed out late at the strip club last night.
Or at home with two girls.
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I have been a Smart defender, but I am DONE!!!
He is HORRIBLE.
Trade him NOW before we literally NOTHING for him because EVERYONE figures it out!!
This is the WORST 3 game home stand in my recent memory!!
We are BROKEN!!
This is NO joke!! There is no defending our play the last three games!! I don't want to hear that we will be 6-4 our last 10. Who care!! We are going to be 0-3 at home the last three. That is what I CARE ABOUT!!
Smitty77
Sounds like to me that you're making a lot of :'( :'( :'(
Would you like some tissues for your tears?
Also we still have a solid lead over first seed, both Marcuses played terrible. Rozier still hasn't learned how to make simple plays, and we rank in the bottom percentile in assists. I guess everyone not named Kyrie, Hayward or Horford should be traded lol.
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This thread is inappropriately timed while Tommy is in a fight for our livelihood here. Actually, I'll take Smart as a better football than basketball player.
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Earth is back on its axis. Carry on. :)
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I like him on this team, and at this point I don't think they'll get much back in a trade.
Might as well let him play the year out and hope he makes one of those massive playoff contract pushes that at least one roleplayer makes every year where they convince everyone they've made the leap. Mark Blount was the posterboy for this for a long time.
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I'm at my limit on Smart as well. I don't want him gone for nothing but I would put him on the block. He is only good when he sticks to passing, defending and bringing hustle plays. He can't be asked to play 20+ minutes.
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Smart's usually the scapegoat.
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Somehow, it's all Smart's fault, lol. Let's check the team's boxscore:
Jayson Tatum - 36% FG, 4/11
Al Horford - 36% FG, 4/11
Terry Rozier - 11% FG 1/9
But yeah, let's blame Smart who only shot 3 times and have much turnovers as Jaylen Brown (4)
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Somehow, it's all Smart's fault, lol. Let's check the team's boxscore:
Jayson Tatum - 36% FG, 4/11
Al Horford - 36% FG, 4/11
Terry Rozier - 11% FG 1/9
But yeah, let's blame Smart who only shot 3 times and have much turnovers as Jaylen Brown (4)
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Yes, let's just FORGET that Tatum had 10 stinking rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, and 1 assist.
Let's just FORGET that Horford also had 6 assist and ZERO turnovers and 5 rebounds and 1 steal and 1 block as well.
I will NOT attempt to defend Rozier's game.
You COULD say that Smart had 3 assists, but he had 4 turnovers and he is an ALLEGED PG. He did have 1 steal that might have been his ONLY positive contribution.
And even Horford's and Tatum's shooting percentages (which were bad) were STILL BETTER than Smart's!!!
Please give the ENTIRE picture in the future!! Especially when it comes to Al as he tends to fill the stat sheet across the board and I see Tatum beginning to do more of that as he continues to develop!!
Smitty77
P.S. So you are going to get only Jaylen for his turnovers. Fair. However, he had 17 and 7 and and 1 block and shot almost TWICE as high from the floor as Smart (58.33% to 33.33%).
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Somehow, it's all Smart's fault, lol. Let's check the team's boxscore:
Jayson Tatum - 36% FG, 4/11
Al Horford - 36% FG, 4/11
Terry Rozier - 11% FG 1/9
But yeah, let's blame Smart who only shot 3 times and have much turnovers as Jaylen Brown (4)
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Yes, let's just FORGET that Tatum had 10 stinking rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, and 1 assist.
Let's just FORGET that Horford also had 6 assist and ZERO turnovers and 5 rebounds and 1 steal and 1 block as well.
I will NOT attempt to defend Rozier's game.
You COULD say that Smart had 3 assists, but he had 4 turnovers and he is an ALLEGED PG. He did have 1 steal that might have been his ONLY positive contribution.
And even Horford's and Tatum's shooting percentages (which were bad) were STILL BETTER than Smart's!!!
Please give the ENTIRE picture in the future!! Especially when it comes to Al as he tends to fill the stat sheet across the board and I see Tatum beginning to do more of that as he continues to develop!!
Smitty77
P.S. So you are going to get only Jaylen for his turnovers. Fair. However, he had 17 and 7 and and 1 block and shot almost TWICE as high from the floor as Smart (58.33% to 33.33%).
Does 1 assist, 1 steal, or 1 block matter at all? Is Horford having 5 rebounds noteworthy? I don't think those numbers add anything to the big picture.
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I missed the Orlando game but I feel confident in saying that the problem with that game was allowing the 25th ranked offense in the league to score 90 points in the first 3 quarters. I don't see how you can put something like that on a single player.
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I missed the Orlando game but I feel confident in saying that the problem with that game was allowing the 25th ranked offense in the league to score 90 points in the first 3 quarters. I don't see how you can put something like that on a single player.
Almost everybody sucked, but Smart really, really sucked.
Still silly to demand panic trades though.
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I like Smart quite a bit, but I'm hard pressed envisioning him beyond this season
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I like Smart quite a bit, but I'm hard pressed envisioning him beyond this season
It really depends what the market looks like. If somebody signs him to a big offer we won't match it. If he can't get a big payday and is willing to take short money or bigger money for 1-2 years I think we'll keep him. There'll also be a lot of gamesmanship as we try to discourage teams from signing him to an offer sheet.
My guess is he winds up somewhere else, but it's close - like 60/40. Danny loves resigning his misfit toys to bargain deals.
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On the morning of January 22, 2018, Boston is 34-13 and has the best record in the East and 3rd best in basketball. The roster has 8 NBA level players on it (I'm not counting Larkin or any of the non-Tatum rookies and obviously Hayward is excluded).
Everyone just needs to calm down. Boston is playing better with a much better record than anyone could have reasonably expected and a few losses of late is more about Boston coming down to earth than anything else.
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Its not about the C's record it's about Smart's play. He hasn't progressed this season and he has actually been given more responsibility and opportunity to do so. He has hardly played within himself at all this year either. Sure he has moments but for a guy playing as much as he does he should have a bigger impact. We need to replace his minutes.
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Somehow, it's all Smart's fault, lol. Let's check the team's boxscore:
Jayson Tatum - 36% FG, 4/11
Al Horford - 36% FG, 4/11
Terry Rozier - 11% FG 1/9
But yeah, let's blame Smart who only shot 3 times and have much turnovers as Jaylen Brown (4)
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Yes, let's just FORGET that Tatum had 10 stinking rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, and 1 assist.
Let's just FORGET that Horford also had 6 assist and ZERO turnovers and 5 rebounds and 1 steal and 1 block as well.
I will NOT attempt to defend Rozier's game.
You COULD say that Smart had 3 assists, but he had 4 turnovers and he is an ALLEGED PG. He did have 1 steal that might have been his ONLY positive contribution.
And even Horford's and Tatum's shooting percentages (which were bad) were STILL BETTER than Smart's!!!
Please give the ENTIRE picture in the future!! Especially when it comes to Al as he tends to fill the stat sheet across the board and I see Tatum beginning to do more of that as he continues to develop!!
Smitty77
P.S. So you are going to get only Jaylen for his turnovers. Fair. However, he had 17 and 7 and and 1 block and shot almost TWICE as high from the floor as Smart (58.33% to 33.33%).
Does 1 assist, 1 steal, or 1 block matter at all? Is Horford having 5 rebounds noteworthy? I don't think those numbers add anything to the big picture.
I would say that Tatum having 10 rebounds is noteworthy, wouldn't you?
Smitty77
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Its not about the C's record it's about Smart's play. He hasn't progressed this season and he has actually been given more responsibility and opportunity to do so. He has hardly played within himself at all this year either. Sure he has moments but for a guy playing as much as he does he should have a bigger impact. We need to replace his minutes.
Smart is basically the exact same player he was last year. He will be the same player until he gets old (or hurt). The C's are 4.3 points better with him on the court than with him off, which makes him about average for the overall team.
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Why the rush to trade him and disrupt chemistry? Just let him walk at the end of the season.
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Why the rush to trade him and disrupt chemistry? Just let him walk at the end of the season.
Yeah I don't get this.
People acting like Smart is going to fetch us something newsworthy in return. But he won't.
Rozier would definitely have more trade value in my mind, and even though I like him, I believe he deserves a bigger role, and a chance to prove himself starting caliber. I think in the right system or backcourt with a better shooting SG, he can embellish that role as a scoring rebounding PG that causes defenses to collapse. And I think being around Irving's presence, is definitely giving him more and more chances to thrive and develop handles that can support my claim.
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Earth is back on its axis. Carry on. :)
Not according to Kyrie, it isn't.
;)
Mike
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if you were to judge on the last 3 games, who goes and who stays.
everyone not name Irving would be shopped.
Given last year's off-season (and having nothing to do with Marcus), that could very well be the case.
Mike
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Smart’s been pretty disappointing this year, and I’m one of his bigger fans. He’s added some quickness but overall, it’s the same guy. He’s a solid role player but he’s not a starter on a contending team (which I hoped he would bring this year). I still think he deserves to be out there in crunch time because he has a knack of “making things happen” but in an ideal situation, Smart should probably be playing less minutes than he is now.
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As disappointed as I've been in his inability to improve his shooting (not even his 3 point shooting, his finishing around the rim most of all) I still want to resign him this summer and would resist any trade. He just does too many other things. He's a rare player.
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I have been a Smart defender, but I am DONE!!!
He is HORRIBLE.
Trade him NOW before we literally NOTHING for him because EVERYONE figures it out!!
This is the WORST 3 game home stand in my recent memory!!
We are BROKEN!!
This is NO joke!! There is no defending our play the last three games!! I don't want to hear that we will be 6-4 our last 10. Who care!! We are going to be 0-3 at home the last three. That is what I CARE ABOUT!!
Smitty77
Did you watch the game last night against the Lakers?
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It's weird to focus on a role player when a talented team drops 3 games. Smart is not in the top 4 of most important players on the team, and he's not in the top 5 when Hayward is healthy.
Smart is who he is. If the team is looking to Smart to save them, that says more about the guys ahead of him in the hierarchy.
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I have been a Smart defender, but I am DONE!!!
He is HORRIBLE.
Trade him NOW before we literally NOTHING for him because EVERYONE figures it out!!
This is the WORST 3 game home stand in my recent memory!!
We are BROKEN!!
This is NO joke!! There is no defending our play the last three games!! I don't want to hear that we will be 6-4 our last 10. Who care!! We are going to be 0-3 at home the last three. That is what I CARE ABOUT!!
Smitty77
Did you watch the game last night against the Lakers?
I SURE did!! Thanks for asking!! Were YOU happy with Smart's three to end the game and with him NOT passing to a wide open Rozier???
Great to see Marcus actually have a GOOD game for the FIRST TIME in a WHILE!!
Smitty77
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I have been a Smart defender, but I am DONE!!!
He is HORRIBLE.
Trade him NOW before we literally NOTHING for him because EVERYONE figures it out!!
This is the WORST 3 game home stand in my recent memory!!
We are BROKEN!!
This is NO joke!! There is no defending our play the last three games!! I don't want to hear that we will be 6-4 our last 10. Who care!! We are going to be 0-3 at home the last three. That is what I CARE ABOUT!!
Smitty77
Did you watch the game last night against the Lakers?
I SURE did!! Thanks for asking!! Were YOU happy with Smart's three to end the game and with him NOT passing to a wide open Rozier???
Great to see Marcus actually have a GOOD game for the FIRST TIME in a WHILE!!
Smitty77
The good and bad in 20 seconds of Marcus Smart.
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Smart giveth and Smart taketh away. One minute you're praising him, the next minute you're throwing things at the screen. I've said for weeks, Smart compounds his mistakes.
I would keep Rozier and trade Smart. It's tough because he does the dirty work but either someone needs to tell him offensively he's not that good. Tell him to focus on being Rodman.
The problem when he's hitting shots, he will eventually start taking bad shots. Then when he's not hitting, he will continue shooting. It drives you crazy.
Watch tonight he's going to do something that will say...we can't trade Smart. LOL
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It's weird to focus on a role player when a talented team drops 3 games. Smart is not in the top 4 of most important players on the team, and he's not in the top 5 when Hayward is healthy.
Smart is who he is. If the team is looking to Smart to save them, that says more about the guys ahead of him in the hierarchy.
KI, Al, Jaylen, Jason I assume? I mean maybe that is obvious, maybe not.
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Man, last night's game was pretty much the Marcus Smart experience all in one. Did some nice things defensively, hit some shots early in the flow of the offense, then maybe got a little too carried away with shooting as the game went on, got a nice rebound to sit up a potential game winner, but very much decided that he was going to take the final shot regardless of who else was open.
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Never !
Marcus must remain !
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We'll regret it
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It's weird to focus on a role player when a talented team drops 3 games. Smart is not in the top 4 of most important players on the team, and he's not in the top 5 when Hayward is healthy.
Smart is who he is. If the team is looking to Smart to save them, that says more about the guys ahead of him in the hierarchy.
KI, Al, Jaylen, Jason I assume? I mean maybe that is obvious, maybe not.
Indeed. Those 4 plus Hayward are what I see as the core 5 for this team moving forward. Smart is a nice 20-25 minute reserve piece to have.
The lack of scoring on the bench is a problem and Smart is part of that problem, but this team has too much talent to lay a slump at his feet.
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It's weird to focus on a role player when a talented team drops 3 games. Smart is not in the top 4 of most important players on the team, and he's not in the top 5 when Hayward is healthy.
Smart is who he is. If the team is looking to Smart to save them, that says more about the guys ahead of him in the hierarchy.
KI, Al, Jaylen, Jason I assume? I mean maybe that is obvious, maybe not.
Indeed. Those 4 plus Hayward are what I see as the core 5 for this team moving forward. Smart is a nice 20-25 minute reserve piece to have.
The lack of scoring on the bench is a problem and Smart is part of that problem, but this team has too much talent to lay a slump at his feet.
I agree the expectations for Smart are probably too high. Once GH gets back I don't know if that directly reduces Smarts minutes, but it might. If the expectation is a 25 min super-sub-def -spark-plug-make-big-plays-effort guy he will do fine. I personally don't think other teams are going to throw crazy contracts at him, and we will have the chance to resign him on a medium contract. But that may be wishful thinking.