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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: drogbagarnett on January 19, 2018, 08:43:01 PM
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My wishlist for Danny Ainge was to get a 2nd pick for unloading Abdel Nader and filling up 2 roster spots with :
- A vet deadly sharpshooter who can curl around multiple screens, square up and raise to knockdown a 3 pt shoot at a high accuracy level... (A la ray allen, korver, reddick, etc.)
- A skilled low post scorer you can get you a bucket during offemsive drought, can rebound and is not a liability at the free throw line...
I find myself extremely happy with the Jarell Eddie signing!! Not only he is a deadly sharpshooter who can run through screens, square up and knock down the 3 with a quick trigger but also he is younger than the profile i was initially looking for. Which means he can be integrated into our defensive principles and with his size and length can switch and defend multiple positions. Basically, he wont be a defensive liability. I hope we keep him for the playoff run.
All i need now is for Greg Monroe to ask for a buyout and come to the celtics to complete the last missing element of our improved offense.
With Monroe and Eddie, Kyrie's assist number will skyrocket and our bench will be scoring at a high level.
I got a strong beleive Hayward will be back for the playoffs!
We could dream of banner 18 this year if we can maintain our defensive ability, add that deadly 3pt shooting and that skilled low post scoring amd add Hayward!!!
Here is my playoff roster :
Kyrie - Brown - Tatum - Horford - Theis
Rozier - Smart - Eddie - Morris - Monroe
Larkin - (Hayward) - Semi - Yabusele - Baynes
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I think you are seriously over evaluating just how good Eddie is and what he will privide to this team. Dude is on a 10 day contract and can't even score 20PPG in the G league. I question whether Danny will even give him a 2nd 10 day contract. Especially since he will probably see less playing time than Nader.
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Ouch, OP has drogged Baynes right outta the line-up.
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Your hopes might be a little high.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html
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I second the motion
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A 2nd round pick for Nader? I think not....
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I'm not sure what's more exciting, his 30.2% lifetime 3pt% or his -4.0 career DBPM.
He's a terror on both ends...just not in the way you would want.
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D or G league success is not a good predictor of NBA shooting just ask James Young.
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I'm not sure what's more exciting, his 30.2% lifetime 3pt% or his -4.0 career DBPM.
He's a terror on both ends...just not in the way you would want.
You can't quantify a man's accomplishments. Jarell Eddie stands among the best Hokies in hoops history.
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Im looking at a specific skill set we currently dont have on our roster...
Now if you tell me you can go get Klay Thompson away from the warriors then i say yes definitely!
Otherwise you deal with what you can get.
Was looking at options like Bellinelli (fit our defense?) or Matthews (mobile enough offensively?) but not sure they will be available...
That skill set he is showing in the Dleague can translate...
Obviously i woukd trust Danny's evaluation more than those stats..
You could look at his highlight and decide if you beleive he is closer to that 20% from 3 or to the 50% he is currently averaging...
Last game I saw a team with a below average offense that didnt have one guy you coukd rely on to run through screens and knock down a 3...
Im glad Danny is trying to help and i still beleive Jarell is ready to show us he will be the best shooter on the roster
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.
In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html
So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.
That skill set he is showing in the Dleague can translate..
This very funny, you should do standup. Did Mickey's skills translate from the D league? What about Nader? Putting up stats in the D/G league does not always mean they will translate to the NBA.
Every year we get a Chris Babb type and guys on the blog go bonkers for him. Most of the time it does not work out. I hope I am wrong but saying stuff like the above just shows that you don't pay much attention once a guy in the G league comes up and plays in the NBA.
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
You sure you not backing him up cause your name is also Eddie? ^^;
Just kidding.
I was very high on Eddie when we invited him in 2014, and still am. He's a good player who can shoot, and if you take his weaknesses and allow the roster to make up for it. You have a guy who over time in the right system can shoot the 3 at a respectable rates and kill corner 3s.
Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.
In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html
So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.
That skill set he is showing in the Dleague can translate..
This very funny, you should do standup. Did Mickey's skills translate from the D league? What about Nader? Putting up stats in the D/G league does not always mean they will translate to the NBA.
Every year we get a Chris Babb type and guys on the blog go bonkers for him. Most of the time it does not work out. I hope I am wrong but saying stuff like the above just shows that you don't pay much attention once a guy in the G league comes up and plays in the NBA.
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Whoa there's he isn't proclaiming him the next Stephen Curry. He's just saying don't be surprised if he does do well. A player like him fits Stevens system pretty well. I hope for the best and if it doesn't work out, oh well. On to the next one.
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.
In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html
So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.
The sample size is small and 26 of those 31 games were back in the 15-16 season. I don't disagree that players on this level are more athletic and close out quicker, but Semi and Nader are missing wide open shots, not just the contested ones. I could see him shooing those same open shots at a higher rate.
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.
In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html
So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.
The sample size is small and 26 of those 31 games were back in the 15-16 season. I don't disagree that players on this level are more athletic and close out quicker, but Semi and Nader are missing wide open shots, not just the contested ones. I could see him shooing those same open shots at a higher rate.
You wonder why a guy like that hasn’t gone to Europe. G League pays peanuts; couldn’t he make a lot more money over there?
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.
In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html
So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.
That skill set he is showing in the Dleague can translate..
This very funny, you should do standup. Did Mickey's skills translate from the D league? What about Nader? Putting up stats in the D/G league does not always mean they will translate to the NBA.
Every year we get a Chris Babb type and guys on the blog go bonkers for him. Most of the time it does not work out. I hope I am wrong but saying stuff like the above just shows that you don't pay much attention once a guy in the G league comes up and plays in the NBA.
Hahaha that was a good one. Will think about that stand up comedy idea...
Back to basketball knowledge and judging improved players only based on their first 34 games in the NBA and not their recent 50% shooting from 3 from any other league...
Here are a couple of D league alumni that maybe would prevent me from doing stand up comedy after all...
Just off the top of my head... :
Recently: Tyler johnson, jaymichal green, yogi Ferrell...
Previously: danny green, hassan Whiteside, jj barea...
I understand it doesnt always translate and we are not expecting him to become ray allen or an all star, but to say its comedy to think he could come in and be a threat from 3pt range and help oir struggling offense given his recent success in the dleague makes YOU appear to be the clown in this whole story...
Wayne willington is a good example of what im hoping he can turn into. Nothing comical about it. Sometimes in life and in basketball its all about being in the right situation, right environment that fit you best and a little bit of luck of having your first couple of shoots drop and thus raise your confidence and make you feel like you belong and then your talent can fully express itself and sky becomes the limit...
Worst case we spend 2 10-day contract money on him and move forward and add someone like belinelli after buyouts...
In any case, in Danny I trust!
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James You g was deadly in G league
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James You g was deadly in G league
So therefore no G League player will ever be a good shooter.
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James You g was deadly in G league
and, as was pointed out above, so was hassan whiteside.
no one here is saying every gleague star = a good nba player. but some do. for me, i don't number eddie among those will succeed. but i trust ainge to get someone who might help this team win a game or two sometime during the season.
15th guy on a 10 day contract. not much to get exercised about right now.
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No more name calling. Talk about the player not each other.
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I would pay a solid $5 to see Jarell Eddie and Andre Dawkins in a 3pt shootout.
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/boston-celtics-sign-andre-dawkins-10-day-contract
Remember the excitement for that signing?
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Eddie from when the Celtics last had him in: "I felt like I could shoot well back then. I feel like I’m a lot more confident now. I’m a lot more sure of my game and what I can bring to a team. So I feel like I’m better just I guess mentally. I’m also better defensively."
2:06 PM · Jan 20, 2018
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James You g was deadly in G league
So therefore no G League player will ever be a good shooter.
sorta doubtful
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@ByJayKing·
1h
Stevens said Jarell Eddie's ability to shoot is unique
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James You g was deadly in G league
Deadly from 2, I guess, he mostly shot about high 40s but he just didn't shoot the 3 as great as most think. From three his best season was his rookie year, shot 44% (something like that). Every season after it has been 37% (once) and lower. Good, but not really what I'd call tearing it up.
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Eddie hopefully adds scoring
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@ByJayKing·
1h
Stevens said Jarell Eddie's ability to shoot is unique
And even more unique on this roster which has too many guys who can't shoot.
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).
This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.
A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g
I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.
What happened to Jabari Bird, I thought that was his role?
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Another disappointing loss. Can't put up 100 against the magic despite Kyrie going for 40!!!!
Yet people can't seem to see the elephant in the room!
I can't understand why people around here don't see the glaring needs for our offense.
We were about to get swept by the 8th seeds Bulls last year if not for a simple adjustment to add deadly shooting in the starting line up and just having Green stand by in the corner OPENED UP our offense!
Jarell Eddie has a unique shooting ability and contrary to Green can run through screens square up and knock down the 3 adding yet another dimension (Opposing Defense can't just put their weak link on our spot up shooter who is standing by in the corner allowing them to rest).
Here, people talk about Dleague this Dleague that...
Yet here is a Dleague guy for Orlando (Khem Birch) coming in and CONTRIBUTING noticeably in their victory...
I believe Eddie's shooting can make a huge difference for this team!
Here hoping Stevens gives him a chance, we only have 10 days lets see what he actually brings in game situations...
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Seems like Celtics always lose when Kyrie scores more than 30 points. That suggests a lack of ball distribution. Back to bad habits?
I don't know if they need another 3P scorer, but they sure do need some improvement up front in defending other bigs.
They are losing too many games at home to teams that aren't very good.
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jared dudley
nikola mirotic
jeremy lamb
should all be trade targets for danny, the bulls, suns and hornets should wanna all tank
smart, rozier, yabu, ojeyle, nader should all be on the table.
mirotic for smart, yabu + ojeleye would be ideal
dudley for smart + nader with a wink, wink buyout of monroe would be good too.
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http://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/958753715757993984
So much for that deadly sharpshooter, Jarell Eddie, being a difference maker
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Another proposed savior on the boards bites the dust. They must have though more highly than Bennett though.