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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: hpantazo on January 16, 2018, 08:00:25 PM
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https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/953427146114043905
He does not want to cause further issues with Pierce.
Good for IT for being the bigger man in this.
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I am glad to hear this.
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Class move from a Classy player.
Love IT and will ALWAYS.
I wish him the best.
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IT should get a huge ovation anyways video or no. It's about more than a video.
I was honestly disappointed myself with Pierce through this all. Respect to IT and moving on from a silly incident. It's been dumb.
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Class move from a Classy player.
Love IT and will ALWAYS.
I wish him the best.
What? He started this, didn't think it was a big deal, and then ultimately caved to negative public backlash. Lets stop being delusional. I wish him the best, but in this situation, and frankly his entire behavior since being traded, he's hardly the bigger man, nor a class act.
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Well, I said if IT did the right thing and politely deferred to Pierce I would forgive him for all that has transpired.
So, I forgive you, Isaiah Thomas. When ever they do decide to show your tribute video I will give you the respect you deserve.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
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I for one felt Pierce had every right to be upset about the situation IT created by initially asking for his video to be delayed the first time.
Pierce gets no criticism from me over any of this.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Lets not play the game either to not take away from him :laugh: :P
I'm poking fun with truth at the core of it. Pierce shows little faith in how highly he is regarded hear and sensitivity. Whatever. Like I said it's been dumb and I'm sad he made it a story as well in a sense instead of just letting it pass.
Glad for it to be over and I don't care going forward but that's my take.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
I mean, Paul's night has been planned since last summer, IT literally asked the team to change the planned video tribute. Sounds like one's request is way more self serving than the other.
Never mind that Paul's contributions to the history of the team and city eclipse IT's by light years, so yeah, he's earned his right to have his night all to himself.
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I understand pierces position. This moment he was waiting for for possibly 90% of his lifetime. There's no greater honor short of the hall of fame where you get your name immortalized somewhere in sports. Why would he want this event to be overtaken with highlights of IT? IT can wait. Pierce comes first
The Celtics wanted to show the video the first time IT came to town. it denied it causing this mess
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Paul waited a long time for this night.
IT had his chance, but missed it.
Also. ITs post is just as petty as Paul was, if you actually read it.
Will always have love for IT, but this was all silly. You don't ask about your video. The C's would have done one then, he knew he was going to be there when the schedule went out.
Don't put this on Paul.
It isn't "Welcome back IT" night, it is Welcome home Paul night".
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
I mean, Paul's night has been planned since last summer, IT literally asked the team to change the planned video tribute. Sounds like one's request is way more self serving than the other.
Never mind that Paul's contributions to the history of the team and city eclipse IT's by light years, so yeah, he's earned his right to have his night all to himself.
Completely agree.
IT made a huge mistake by asking out to be moved, likely knowing when he was moving it to.
You don't ask to have a tribute video changed. That is silly.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
That is quite the jump.
Sad to see people disparaging one of the C's all time greats because a tribute video on his first return just wasn't good enough for IT.
None of this would have played out if IT said, don't play the video this time, but next time (knowing for sure what date that was).
Sad to see the disrespect of a legend around here.
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Good for IT, but this doesn’t make him the “bigger” person over Pierce. It’s just logical, considering the video could have been played while he was in Boston-regardless if he played or not (it’s the gesture that mattered). It was the organization’s fault for even letting it be a IT vs Pierce thing in the first place.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
Paul deserves a night to himself and IT shoulda known better. IT is the insecure one here, as he's been showing since his trade.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
Exactly. I wasn't intending to start a whole heated argument by stating that, but it did surprise me how Pierce seemed to handle the situation (acting insecure).
Probably took Isaiah by surprise as well to be honest.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
That is quite the jump.
Sad to see people disparaging one of the C's all time greats because a tribute video on his first return just wasn't good enough for IT.
None of this would have played out if IT said, don't play the video this time, but next time (knowing for sure what date that was).
Sad to see the disrespect of a legend around here.
How is that disrespecting a legend? He still has his night regardless, right?
To be fair, even some of Pierce's ESPN colleagues seemed surprised Pierce felt that way about the whole situation. He did look a little insecure. I think you can watch the video of him saying all that on Youtube as well.
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https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/953427146114043905
He does not want to cause further issues with Pierce.
Good for IT for being the bigger man in this.
Redeemed himself in my mind.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
That is quite the jump.
Sad to see people disparaging one of the C's all time greats because a tribute video on his first return just wasn't good enough for IT.
None of this would have played out if IT said, don't play the video this time, but next time (knowing for sure what date that was).
Sad to see the disrespect of a legend around here.
How is that disrespecting a legend? He still has his night regardless, right?
To be fair, even some of Pierce's ESPN colleagues seemed surprised Pierce felt that way about the whole situation. He did look a little insecure. I think you can watch the video of him saying all that on Youtube as well.
I hardly consider Pierce's reaction as insecure. He was asked a question and he answered it honestly. Honestly speaking, I'm not sure I'm the biggest fan of it. He didn't say I don't want it to happen, he just said, if you're asking me, I'm answering.
And truth is if it was the first time IT was coming back I don't think Paul or anyone has anything to say, but it isn't.
IT asked for it to be changed. Thats both self serving, and self centered. So lets ease up on Paul here, when IT's request is almost unheard of. Especially for a guy who's been here for 15 minutes, in the grand scheme of things. I mean, really, can you think of another player thats ever done that.
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It's refreshing to read some nice comments about IT. Been a long time since I've seen that here.
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It's refreshing to read some nice comments about IT. Been a long time since I've seen that here.
That is so far from the truth.
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no brainer...he really had no choice. A little to little to late. Still infused himself in what should have been all about Pierce.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
Right. I can see if this was IT’s first time coming to Boston, but it wasn’t. I just think the organization goofed this more than IT and Pierce.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
Insecure? Does he feel unsafe or unassured? Am I not allowed to feel disappointed when my bestman plays a tribute to one of his friends during my own bachelor's party, esp because said friend of his asked him to?
Its ridiculous. Of course IT will retract his request, he doesnt have the majority backing in this one. He might have not meant any harm, but so does Pierce. That's why it was awkward and IT either shouldve just let the video play last time, or approached PP first.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
LOL
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/005/180/YaoMingMeme.jpg)
I mean if you read above, I'm not alone it seems.
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And truth is if it was the first time IT was coming back I don't think Paul or anyone has anything to say, but it isn't.
IT asked for it to be changed. Thats both self serving, and self centered. So lets ease up on Paul here, when IT's request is almost unheard of. Especially for a guy who's been here for 15 minutes, in the grand scheme of things. I mean, really, can you think of another player thats ever done that.
This is what I’m talking about. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a former player making that request, one that was there for 3 years..lol.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
That is quite the jump.
Sad to see people disparaging one of the C's all time greats because a tribute video on his first return just wasn't good enough for IT.
None of this would have played out if IT said, don't play the video this time, but next time (knowing for sure what date that was).
Sad to see the disrespect of a legend around here.
How is that disrespecting a legend? He still has his night regardless, right?
To be fair, even some of Pierce's ESPN colleagues seemed surprised Pierce felt that way about the whole situation. He did look a little insecure. I think you can watch the video of him saying all that on Youtube as well.
And some of his colleagues (such as Chauncey Billups), thought that it was absolutely right of pierce to want.
What is your point with that?
This whole thing boils down to IT not being happy enough with his video and moment being on his first return.
That is it.
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I mean, IT probably didn't even know it was Pierce night when he first said to wait for his tribute video until the next game. And, Pierce seemed to be sort of half joking when he said that the night should be his own night. Even if he was serious, everything should be fine now that IT came out and said he doesn't want to his tribute to interfere with Pierce night.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
Right. I can see if this was IT’s first time coming to Boston, but it wasn’t. I just think the organization goofed this more than IT and Pierce.
I don't even think they goofed it. Honestly, if they denied his request to change the date and it leaked that they did, it would've just added to that silly "Celtics done did IT wrong" narrative.
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Fretting about this kind of stuff is a great of a testament to how well the season's going as you'll ever see on CB.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
Yes, and you would think that the enormity of having his numbers in the rafters, and getting his own post-game ceremony, would be enough. Instead, he demanded to be treated like Kobe, with not only his own ceremony, but an entire night dedicated to him. He refused to give up a couple of minutes of Jumbotron time to honor another, lesser Celtics hero.
It’s a far cry from guys like Cousy and Tommy, who shared their ceremony with other players.
It just makes it look like Pierce has a really fragile ego.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
Yes, and you would think that the enormity of having his numbers in the rafters, and getting his own post-game ceremony, would be enough. Instead, he demanded to be treated like Kobe, with not only his own ceremony, but an entire night dedicated to him. He refused to give up a couple of minutes of Jumbotron time to honor another, lesser Celtics hero.
It’s a far cry from guys like Cousy and Tommy, who shared their ceremony with other players.
It just makes it look like Pierce has a really fragile ego.
stop taking cheap shots at IT's height
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There will be other Cavs-C's games. Paul seemed a little petty but I'm glad IT decided to postpone.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
Yes, and you would think that the enormity of having his numbers in the rafters, and getting his own post-game ceremony, would be enough. Instead, he demanded to be treated like Kobe, with not only his own ceremony, but an entire night dedicated to him. He refused to give up a couple of minutes of Jumbotron time to honor another, lesser Celtics hero.
It’s a far cry from guys like Cousy and Tommy, who shared their ceremony with other players.
It just makes it look like Pierce has a really fragile ego.
stop taking cheap shots at IT's height
Man, you are on fire tonight. lol You'll get another TP from me when I can give you another one in an hour or so.
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This is getting bizarre but I totally understand Pierces point of view. IT had his chance at a night...
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22124268/paul-pierce-says-boston-celtics-guilt-trading-isaiah-thomas-reason-retirement-night-dispute
So apparently pierce met with Ainge for 40 minutes about the night, pushed for the IT video to not be there, and Ainge explained a lot to espn, pierce blames the IT video as guilt, tony Allen thinks pierce needs his own night, rondo explains IT did nothing to deserve anything. Read it all :
"Danny and I talked about it for 40 minutes,'' Pierce explained to ESPN early Tuesday afternoon. "He told me, 'This is what we have planned,' and at the end of the conversation, he said, 'If you don't want us to do Isaiah, we won't.' So I told him, 'I really don't.' So that was it.''
"That's how we left it.''
Shortly after ESPN reached out to Ainge to confirm this development, Thomas tweeted that he preferred Boston not run a video tribute for him after all.
( https://twitter.com/isaiahthomas/status/953427146114043905 )
Earlier in the day, before Thomas' tweet, Pierce explained why he objected to plans to honor Thomas on February 11.
"(Thomas) had a shot to be honored,'' Pierce said. "You came to Boston. Whether you are playing or not, you should have had your tribute then. I just don't see how, if someone is having a jersey retirement, they're going to be running other tributes for other players.
"Danny tried to sell me on it, but I told him, 'He had a shot, Danny, and he punked you on it. He pretty much dictated everything.' They let it happen because they felt sorry how (the trade to Cleveland) went down. It's guilt. That's what it is.''
Ainge said Tuesday night that Thomas intended all along to bow out of the video tribute once he learned of Pierce's reservations. He also said when he and Thomas' agent, Aaron Goodwin, first discussed an alternate date to a Thomas tribute, which was originally scheduled for January 3, neither of them realized the next time the Cavaliers came to town would be the night that Pierce was being honored. Thomas asked not to be recognized on January 3 because he was not going to be playing in the game and he wanted his family present for the tribute.
"I wanted to make it clear that it was never my intention or Isaiah's intention to take away from the special day for Paul Pierce,'' Ainge told ESPN. "And no one was ever comparing IT to Paul Pierce. We all owe Paul a lot. Everyone in the organization.''
Ainge said the team planned to play the Thomas tribute during the pregame introductions.
"It was only going to be during that segment,'' Ainge explained. "During the rest of the game, it was going to be all Paul Pierce. But, after listening to Paul's perspective, I understood it and shared it with Isaiah and he understood it, too.''
Before Tuesday night's game against New Orleans, Tony Allen, who played alongside Pierce on Boston's 2008 championship team, said Pierce deserved his own night.
"I'm with Pierce, man,'' said Allen. "(Thomas) didn't put in more work than Paul. Anybody disagree? OK. Paul Pierce put in big work, man. Why would they honor (Thomas) on that same day, man?
"Let my man get his jersey retired, man. Let him embrace that, man. He put a lot of blood, sweat and tears in this organization, man, and capitalized and had some good results. (Pierce) struggled with the team. I remember losing 19 straight with that man. Turned around and won a championship (the next season). Talk about Paul Pierce, man, don't mention (Thomas') name, the guys' name that don't stand in the same frame.''
Rondos opinion:
Rajon Rondo was irked to hear that the Celtics would honor Isaiah Thomas on any night. "What has he done?” Rondo asked. Told that he led the Celtics to the conference finals last year, Rondo remarked, “Oh, that’s what we celebrate around here?”
https://twitter.com/BillDoyle15/status/953477892209565697
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Pretty silly. I was disappointed in IT requesting the video be shown on Pierce's jersey retirement night. Now I'm disappointed in Pierce. Sounds like a personal vendetta that has blown the issue out of proportion.
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Silly drama. Click bait. Johnny Manziel, Colin Kaepernick, Stephen A Smith, Lavar Ball. blah blah blah.
I bet my grandfather would roll over in his grave after hearing what has happened to sports-watching men in 2018.
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Now it’s silly. But the way I look at it, Pierce wasn’t going to back down (and had a lil petty in him) and IT was more than likely informed of the change, he then decides to tweet that “HE” decided not to have his tribute video, to save face and sorta look like the bigger person, when in fact the decison was already made :D..now this is comical.
Oh well, we don’t have to wonder what’s going to happen on 2-11.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Woah. That's not as trivial as it sounds. It was a mid-week game and most of his family is on the opposite coast. It's a pretty big deal for most 'normal' folks to fly all the way from Seattle to Boston since it's a long day of travel on each side. All Thomas was trying to do was not impose that travel burden on his family members if all it was for was to watch a short video and then see IT sit on the bench the whole game.
But apparently trying to be accommodating to his family turned Thomas into an evil, Truth-hating selfish troll in the minds of some righteously indignant types.
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Is it that big a deal to do the IT video in the playoffs? Its a virtual certainty we will meet the cavs. problem solved
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Woah. That's not as trivial as it sounds. It was a mid-week game and most of his family is on the opposite coast. It's a pretty big deal for most 'normal' folks to fly all the way from Seattle to Boston since it's a long day of travel on each side. All Thomas was trying to do was not impose that travel burden on his family members if all it was for was to watch a short video and then see IT sit on the bench the whole game.
But apparently trying to be accommodating to his family turned Thomas into an evil, Truth-hating selfish troll in the minds of some righteously indignant types.
The IT hate is non-negotiable, classic cognitive dissonance. IT is no longer a Celtic, therefore he has to be overrated, a villain, etc.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Woah. That's not as trivial as it sounds. It was a mid-week game and most of his family is on the opposite coast. It's a pretty big deal for most 'normal' folks to fly all the way from Seattle to Boston since it's a long day of travel on each side. All Thomas was trying to do was not impose that travel burden on his family members if all it was for was to watch a short video and then see IT sit on the bench the whole game.
But apparently trying to be accommodating to his family turned Thomas into an evil, Truth-hating selfish troll in the minds of some righteously indignant types.
The IT hate is non-negotiable, classic cognitive dissonance. IT is no longer a Celtic, therefore he has to be overrated, a villain, etc.
This is such a contrived viewpoint for 90% of this forum.
I think this whole situation is on IT, because he should have just enjoyed his moment the first time they came to down.
Does that mean I hate him or think he is a villain?
There are a couple posters who don't like IT, that is certain, but 90% of this board loves the guy, and what he did for the squad.
Serious confirmation bias going on here.
I also like the sly cognitive dissonance attack in there, as if you are one of the only rational posters here.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Woah. That's not as trivial as it sounds. It was a mid-week game and most of his family is on the opposite coast. It's a pretty big deal for most 'normal' folks to fly all the way from Seattle to Boston since it's a long day of travel on each side. All Thomas was trying to do was not impose that travel burden on his family members if all it was for was to watch a short video and then see IT sit on the bench the whole game.
But apparently trying to be accommodating to his family turned Thomas into an evil, Truth-hating selfish troll in the minds of some righteously indignant types.
The IT hate is non-negotiable, classic cognitive dissonance. IT is no longer a Celtic, therefore he has to be overrated, a villain, etc.
Disagree. I haven't read much IT hate. I'm not sure what you mean by "hate", but I haven't seen anything written that resembles my understanding of the word.
I think most people here loved IT, but are happy that Kyrie is here now.
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It's Pierce's night. Nothing wrong with what Pierce said.
IT shouldn't even have postponed the video tribute to Feb 11 to begin with. That video tribute should've been done on that first meeting in Boston a couple weeks ago.
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KG’s thoughts..lol:
Pierce conceded that he gave his position some additional thought after his objections to a joint tribute made headlines. He says he consulted his agent, his wife, his mother and Garnett.
"Everyone understood where I was coming from," Pierce said. "KG was like, 'Isaiah who? Hell no, you're [dang] right you're not sharing your night with him.'"
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KG’s thoughts..lol:
Pierce conceded that he gave his position some additional thought after his objections to a joint tribute made headlines. He says he consulted his agent, his wife, his mother and Garnett.
"Everyone understood where I was coming from," Pierce said. "KG was like, 'Isaiah who? Hell no, you're [dang] right you're not sharing your night with him.'"
I don't think there was ever a doubt what KG's feelings on the matter would be.
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KG’s thoughts..lol:
Pierce conceded that he gave his position some additional thought after his objections to a joint tribute made headlines. He says he consulted his agent, his wife, his mother and Garnett.
"Everyone understood where I was coming from," Pierce said. "KG was like, 'Isaiah who? Hell no, you're [dang] right you're not sharing your night with him.'"
I don't think there was ever a doubt what KG's feelings on the matter would be.
Not at all..lol. The 08’ crew had some strong feelings about this based on Tony Allen and Rondo’s responses tonight, when they were asked about the tribute. You know they’ve probably all been texting each other about the situation..lol.
If Pierce had to share his night with someone, I don’t think he would have cared at all if it was with KG.
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I’m trying to imagine this in a different way that maybe us normal folk could understand.
Imagine it’s your wedding and your little cousin decides to propose to his girlfriend right after the first dance.
So for a half hour or so all of your family is going up to them and congratulating them. On you and your spouse’s day. It’s not taking away from your wedding. It’s still great. But there’s that part of you that doesn’t feel you shouldn’t be the focal point all day.
If you would support your cousin proposing at your wedding, what Pierce did probably seems petty. But if you wouldn’t appreciate that, you see where Pierce is coming from.
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Thought this was an interesting comment I found
"This has a lot to do with how the Lakers retired Kobe's Jersey. It was pretty epic, and they literally made the entire night about Kobe!! Paul was covering the game that night and you can see he got pretty amped.
It really wasn't going to be that big of a deal, but the way they did Kobe, Paul saw how he wanted the Celts to honor him"
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How is Pierce being faulted in this? It’s his night and it would be really weird and off to honor someone else. I don’t think it’s happened before. I thought the Wedding analogy by GreenEnvy was pretty spot on.
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Class move from a Classy player.
Love IT and will ALWAYS.
I wish him the best.
What? He started this, didn't think it was a big deal, and then ultimately caved to negative public backlash. Lets stop being delusional. I wish him the best, but in this situation, and frankly his entire behavior since being traded, he's hardly the bigger man, nor a class act.
So, Riddle me this, Batman
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/13347/489916-frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)
How is it "Delusional" to have a change of heart or change of mind?
Evidently, SOMETHING made IT reconsider.
And how has his "entire behavior" made him less than a class act?
He certainly led himself in a CLASS way while in BOS.
Sure - he has been hurt by the process of it all after what happened to him and rightfully so. But since then he has stated that appreciates what BOS did for him and has stated that he has plenty of love for BOS.
My opinion of him hasn't changed at all. Still love the guy.
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There is exactly one person to blame for this and that person is Danny Ainge. When I.T. suggested they play the video at a later date Danny's answer should have been that it is not possible as the only other time this year I.T. was to return to Boston was Pierce's retirement night and there would be nothing else on that night, period end of discussion.
I.T. probably hadn't thought this through or made the connection to Pierce, an informed I.T. shouldn't want to distract in any way from Paul's night. No blame should be placed on I.T. here as I think him having thought this through further he would've made the right decision.
Those people suggesting that Pierce is somehow in the wrong are mistaken. Paul should not have to share this night. He should not have to answer questions after regarding I.T.'s video, which are inevitable. He should not have to see his tribute on ESPN sharing time with I.T.'s mini tribute, nor in the papers or the headlines on-line. I don't doubt at all that the Playing of I.T.'s video on Pierce's night may very well have angered some of the fan base/players and may have caused some level of resentment towards both the Celtics and I.T., it just should have NEVER been an option.
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I think IT is in trouble with his teammates and doesn't wan tto further inflame that by showing his best play on celtics while he is playing poorly early in recovery. .I think it is win win for both as Pierce should have focus on him and Isaiah on his new team with Boston being its direct competition.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fanragsports.com/rajon-rondo-questions-why-celtics-would-honor-it/amp/
Rondo telling it like it is. You can call him whatever you want, but he won a title here so it adds perspective.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
Yes, and you would think that the enormity of having his numbers in the rafters, and getting his own post-game ceremony, would be enough. Instead, he demanded to be treated like Kobe, with not only his own ceremony, but an entire night dedicated to him. He refused to give up a couple of minutes of Jumbotron time to honor another, lesser Celtics hero.
It’s a far cry from guys like Cousy and Tommy, who shared their ceremony with other players.
It just makes it look like Pierce has a really fragile ego.
This is really a bad comparison. Tommy, Bob and others with them won championship together. Of course, they'll share spotlights.
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If IT have won Celtics a championship, then he have a case but he didn't so the point is moot.
Even Antoine have better case since he's the one who actually played alongside Paul during the 2002 ECF run and a longer Celtic tenure than IT ever had.
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I’m really trying to understand all the “Paul is insecure blah..blah...blah..” Do you guys think the Lakers organization would have attempted a stunt like that on Kobe’s night? No! Matter of fact the fans wouldn’t have it. I like IT, but let’s be for real about his contributions vs Pierce’s..it’s not even a debate.
Any other former player would get called out if they made the requests that IT did.
Exactly.
And quite frankly, its crazy to me that people are claiming he's insecure. If that were true, than Banner 17 wouldn't be in the rafters because his ego wouldn't have been able to share the light with KG and Ray.
Guys, this is one the most stories franchises in all of sports. Getting your number in the rafters next to Russell, Bird, Cousy - that's a heck of a career acheivement. To etch your name amongst those greats, it's very likely the most special moment of his career. Paul has earned the right be selfish, IMO.
Yes, and you would think that the enormity of having his numbers in the rafters, and getting his own post-game ceremony, would be enough. Instead, he demanded to be treated like Kobe, with not only his own ceremony, but an entire night dedicated to him. He refused to give up a couple of minutes of Jumbotron time to honor another, lesser Celtics hero.
It’s a far cry from guys like Cousy and Tommy, who shared their ceremony with other players.
It just makes it look like Pierce has a really fragile ego.
This is really a bad comparison. Tommy, Bob and others with them won championship together. Of course, they'll share spotlights. If IT have won Celtics a championship, then he have a case but he didn't so the point is moot.
Even Antoine have better case since he's the one who actually played alongside Paul during the 2002 ECF run and a longer Celtic tenure than IT ever had.
Cooz shared a ceremony with Ed Macauley, who only played 6 seasons here and never won a title. He did lead his St. Louis team to a championship, though, beating the Celtics in the Finals.
By today’s standard, Cousy was massively disrespected.
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Why does the video tribute HAVE to happen on 2/11? Why not next year, or in the playoffs this year (if they matchup with CLE). It sounds ridiculous to say that there's only one date that would work for IT.
Also, can we remember any player being so involved in when he is applauded, esp after 2 years of work? This reminds me of the MTV show where the 16yo girl throws a tantrum when their $100k sweet 16 party isn't up to their standard.
At some point IT should dump the chip on his shoulder and replace it with gratitude for his lot in life. His agent is doing him a disservice by allowing him to opine in such a selfish manner. This does not make IT look good. If Pierce looks selfish it is not that big of a deal- he already landed his big contract. IT is the one that wants the Brinks trunk. He should be focused exclusively on getting back to being a valuable NBA player.
C'mon man!
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It's the right move by IT. Classy. Let Paul Pierce have his tribute night to himself.
When is the next date Cleveland will play at Boston or is that the last one this year?
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Incredible how petty IT has looked during this entire saga. I'm glad they are not giving him a tribute on that day. The C's screwed this up too. They should have just given him his tribute in his first game back.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
Love how it’s WE.!!
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Except ... Rondo is 100% wrong about what is being 'celebrated' here. Sure, we don't hang conference titles. We DO however celebrate players who entertained us and are fondly remembered by the fans, even if they didn't win titles. We've done this with dozens of players. This is fact. Jae Crowder just got one. Avery Bradley just got one.
A video tribute to Thomas by the Celtics would not be a celebration of reaching the ECF. It would be a celebration of how well Thomas played while here. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
Love how it’s WE.!!
After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
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Cooz shared a ceremony with Ed Macauley, who only played 6 seasons here and never won a title. He did lead his St. Louis team to a championship, though, beating the Celtics in the Finals.
By today’s standard, Cousy was massively disrespected.
Ed Macauley who made the all-star game in every season he played for the Celtics and wore a Celtics uniform in nearly 65% of his NBA games. Not to mention that he was teammates with Cousy in each of those 6 seasons.
Yup, pretty much the same situation as Thomas and Pierce.
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Cooz shared a ceremony with Ed Macauley, who only played 6 seasons here and never won a title. He did lead his St. Louis team to a championship, though, beating the Celtics in the Finals.
By today’s standard, Cousy was massively disrespected.
Ed Macauley who made the all-star game in every season he played for the Celtics and wore a Celtics uniform in nearly 65% of his NBA games. Not to mention that he was teammates with Cousy in each of those 6 seasons.
Yup, pretty much the same situation as Thomas and Pierce. ::) ::) ::)
I assume you saw the post I responded to, which spoke specifically about winning titles. That’s why you intentionally declined to quote it, to misrepresent what I said. Here it is again:
This is really a bad comparison. Tommy, Bob and others with them won championship together. Of course, they'll share spotlights. If IT have won Celtics a championship, then he have a case but he didn't so the point is moot.
You usually do a little better, koz. ::) ::) ::)
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Except ... Rondo is 100% wrong about what is being 'celebrated' here. Sure, we don't hang conference titles. We DO however celebrate players who entertained us and are fondly remembered by the fans, even if they didn't win titles. We've done this with dozens of players. This is fact. Jae Crowder just got one. Avery Bradley just got one.
A video tribute to Thomas by the Celtics would not be a celebration of reaching the ECF. It would be a celebration of how well Thomas played while here. Nothing more and nothing less.
It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
Someone that comes of as grateful, instead of someone acting like a little b*tch. IT has had multiple quotes since he has left which make me scratch my head. Is he trying to get back at an ex-gf, or is he trying to win a championship and get a big contract? I really can't tell what his motives are by his words.
Pierce has the luxury to be petty. 1) He doesn't need another contract. 2) He's one of the best Celtics ever. 3) He won a championship.
I think there should be one criterion: the player should be accepting of a tribute. If not, move on. IT didn't control his departure so he wanted control of this. Like a jilted lover. I can smell his insecurity from over a thousand miles away. It's not a good smell.
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Cooz shared a ceremony with Ed Macauley, who only played 6 seasons here and never won a title. He did lead his St. Louis team to a championship, though, beating the Celtics in the Finals.
By today’s standard, Cousy was massively disrespected.
Ed Macauley who made the all-star game in every season he played for the Celtics and wore a Celtics uniform in nearly 65% of his NBA games. Not to mention that he was teammates with Cousy in each of those 6 seasons.
Yup, pretty much the same situation as Thomas and Pierce. ::) ::) ::)
I assume you saw the post I responded to, which spoke specifically about winning titles. That’s why you intentionally declined to quote it, to misrepresent what I said. Here it is again:
This is really a bad comparison. Tommy, Bob and others with them won championship together. Of course, they'll share spotlights. If IT have won Celtics a championship, then he have a case but he didn't so the point is moot.
You usually do a little better, koz. ::) ::) ::)
A little, but surely not much. And my point still stands. If you want to argue semantics about whether winning titles and just winning/playing together are two substantially different, be my guest. But I think you can do a bit better, too. Everyone here understands why honoring Jim O'Brien and Paul Pierce together makes sense (to give one example), and honoring Jim O'Brien and Garnett, not so much.
In my mind, there is a distinct difference between the joint honoring of guys who played and won together is not the same like slapping the tribute of a guy who had a cup of tea with the team onto the night of an all-time great. Even if it was the finest tea in the history of the team.
Additionally, Thomas isn't getting any style points for how he handled this. Maybe pick up the phone and call the team's FO? I'm pretty sure telephones still exist, and the whole situation would have probably been sorted out in half the time with a quarter of the publicity. But given how much he's tweeted about the situation, perhaps the team should just tweet the video tribute @ him and and call it a day.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
I have no problem with the (minute long) video tribute. He had a season of historic proportions, and single-handedly steered the team around. It's not like we're inducting him in the team's hall of fame, or anything. But his constant yapping and desire to control the process leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
You're being honored by the franchise that gave the NBA Larry Bird, Bill Russell, and multiple other all-time greats. Show a little humility.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I'm fine with a guy who played with the Celtics, even as a somewhat minor role such as KO or Crowder getting a minute of praise from the Garden Faithful, it's a classy thing to do and it makes players feel appreciated.. Nothing wrong with that.
I said from day 1 that IT should not get a tribute during Pauls night, I do think Paul is being a Diva but at the end of the day it's on IT.
As others mentioned he should have accepted his video on the game he was here but didn't play. It would have been a minute long, he would have got a standing O for a minute and the entire thing would have been over and done with.
"I want my family to be there to see it" Too bad bro, fly them out that night if you care that much.
Now IT has come to his senses and said it's Pauls night.. that was after he said he didnt think it was a big deal if he shared the night with Paul.
Give me a break, the whole thing is unnecessary Kardashian drama at the end of the day. But IT trashed Ainge on his way out, talked crap about our trainers etc. etc. Then he feels he can dictate his own tribute video. You were a good player IT but get real, we've moved on.
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I don't understand why they didn't play the video tribute at that Cavs game recently when IT was on the bench? What's the difference if he wasn't playing? He was there. That was the first screwup.
The second screwup was they want to play it on the night of Pierce's tribute. What? So Pierce chimes in and says no thanks. And IT say no thanks, too.
Who is running the Celtics PR? Or should I say who formerly was running the Celtics PR? LOL.
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I don't understand that either, and neither does Pierce. And I think he's got the right take here:
"[Thomas] had a shot to be honored," Pierce told ESPN on Tuesday. "You came to Boston. Whether you are playing or not, you should have had your tribute then. I just don't see how, if someone is having a jersey retirement, they're going to be running other tributes for other players.
"Danny [Ainge] tried to sell me on it, but I told him, 'He had a shot, Danny, and he punked you on it. He pretty much dictated everything.' They let it happen because they felt sorry how [trading him to the Cavaliers] went down. It's guilt. That's what it is."
http://www.weei.com/blogs/ty-anderson/paul-pierce-says-celtics-were-giving-tribute-isaiah-thomas-out-guilt
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Pierce is being classless
He doesnt wants "claps" being wasted
And to bad mouth IT4 ... Cmon Paul
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Who is running the Celtics PR? Or should I say who formerly was running the Celtics PR? LOL.
That's who's at fault. It should have NEVER gotten to the point where either person had to make a public statement. It should have never gotten to the point where PP is made to look like the "jerk" for wanting his night just to him. Ainge didn't make it any better with his interview of how it wasn't going to be a problem having both..etc., obviously it was a problem.
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Rondo being a class act as usual
Bill Doyle: Rajon Rondo was irked to hear that the Celtics would honor Isaiah Thomas on any night. “What has he done?” Rondo asked. Told that he led the Celtics to the conference finals last year, Rondo remarked, “Oh, that’s what we celebrate around here?” 1 hour ago – via Twitter BillDoyle15
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Look I get why Pierce and Rondo are irked.... But them badmouthing IT4 is not necessary
IT4 did have his chance for a tribute video ... But now that moment has/will pass
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Rondo being a class act as usual
Bill Doyle: Rajon Rondo was irked to hear that the Celtics would honor Isaiah Thomas on any night. “What has he done?” Rondo asked. Told that he led the Celtics to the conference finals last year, Rondo remarked, “Oh, that’s what we celebrate around here?” 1 hour ago – via Twitter BillDoyle15
Classy? No.
Is he right? Yup.
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After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
We can be butt hurt about Rondo's comment, but don't act like that man didn't help contribute to the success of the Celtics. 2013 wasn't his best year with the Celtics and he had some very immature and head scratching moments, but there's no need to have selective memories of what Rondo did for the Celtics (and the community). At this point we're just being fanboys for our favorite players.
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I don't understand why they didn't play the video tribute at that Cavs game recently when IT was on the bench? What's the difference if he wasn't playing? He was there. That was the first screwup.
The second screwup was they want to play it on the night of Pierce's tribute. What? So Pierce chimes in and says no thanks. And IT say no thanks, too.
Who is running the Celtics PR? Or should I say who formerly was running the Celtics PR? LOL.
Well they wanted to play it when he recently was in Boston but IT asked them to play the video tribute another time, as 1) he wasn't playing that night, and 2) his family, supposedly, couldn't make it to Boston for the tribute. The Celtics agreed and decided not to play the video that night.
I fully agree that it was a screwup to move the IT tribute to the next Cavs game knowing that it was Pierce's tribute. In my opinion, they should just move the tribute to the next game vs. the Cavs (after Pierce's tribute), which potentially could be in the playoffs.
In the end, it all boils down to guilt. Danny Ainge feels bad for how he traded IT given how much he gave the Celtics while playing here, hence he wanted IT to have his tribute on Pierce's night.
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Thankfully someone finally told IT what it means to be a Celtic.
Bravo Rondo!!
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Personally, I think the premise of Rondo's quote is right. Video tributes shouldn't be handed out that easily. However, after giving video tributes to the likes of Jae Crowder and Kelly Olynyk, you really can't deny IT a video tribute. He is the most deserving of the three guys mentioned here.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
I have no problem with the (minute long) video tribute. He had a season of historic proportions, and single-handedly steered the team around. It's not like we're inducting him in the team's hall of fame, or anything. But his constant yapping and desire to control the process leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
You're being honored by the franchise that gave the NBA Larry Bird, Bill Russell, and multiple other all-time greats. Show a little humility.
Is he _really_ "constantly yapping" about this, though? He's basically responded to questions and said kind of the minimum required. Fans and people with hilariously strong opinions about the 'character' of each of these guys are the ones doing all the yapping.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
Love how it’s WE.!!
After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
I'm sorry, but this is just getting silly. First off, it is the _Celtics_ (i.e., Danny) who first told Thomas they were going to do a video tribute. Thomas didn't _ask_ for it. So it's misrepresenting the dynamic to suggest it is something he should/should not ask for. Second of all, no, it is NOT "all about championships". That cat has LOOOONG been out of the bag because the Cs have done many video tributes for former Celtic players who haven't sniffed a championship. Third, Danny's comments several weeks ago made it clear he honestly did not see the big deal with celebrating both on the same night. So your little pretend letter reads as pure fan fiction that has nothing to do with what you should ever expect Danny Ainge to feel or to write.
You can blame Thomas for not thinking ahead about a reschedule interfering with Pierce's tribute but by the same token you have to also blame Danny for the same.
Ultimately, this all ended up putting Thomas in a bad spot when all he was trying to do was accommodate his family because, jesus, the reality is that it is a lot to ask to have normal folks shuttle back and forth between the west coast and Boston in the middle of the week just for a little 2 minute video at a game when Thomas wouldn't even be playing. It's just dumb misfortune that the NBA schedule (a) had the first CLE game just a week or so too early for Thomas to be back playing yet and (b) the second CLE game happened to fall on the Pierce retirement night.
If not for that schedule, none of this is an issue.
But i guess it's just more fodder for people to feel good and righteous about themselves.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
I have no problem with the (minute long) video tribute. He had a season of historic proportions, and single-handedly steered the team around. It's not like we're inducting him in the team's hall of fame, or anything. But his constant yapping and desire to control the process leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
You're being honored by the franchise that gave the NBA Larry Bird, Bill Russell, and multiple other all-time greats. Show a little humility.
Is he _really_ "constantly yapping" about this, though? He's basically responded to questions and said kind of the minimum required. Fans and people with hilariously strong opinions about the 'character' of each of these guys are the ones doing all the yapping.
The constant yapping was more about airing his grievances about his time with the Celtics all the time. He doesn't have to talk about that even if they ask him questions. And then there's the tribute. I think the idea that he wants his family to be there when they show that one-minute video on the jumbotron is hilarious. Garnett stepped on the court in street clothes to be acknowledged in MN. He should have done the same, and the team should have shown the tribute the first time he was in the building. That's not a musical wish radio show.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
I'm sorry, but this is just getting silly. First off, it is the _Celtics_ (i.e., Danny) who first told Thomas they were going to do a video tribute. Thomas didn't _ask_ for it. So it's misrepresenting the dynamic to suggest it is something he should/should not ask for. Second of all, no, it is NOT "all about championships". That cat has LOOOONG been out of the bag because the Cs have done many video tributes for former Celtic players who haven't sniffed a championship. Third, Danny's comments several weeks ago made it clear he honestly did not see the big deal with celebrating both on the same night. So your little pretend letter reads as pure fan fiction that has nothing to do with what you should ever expect Danny Ainge to feel or to write.
You can blame Thomas for not thinking ahead about a reschedule interfering with Pierce's tribute but by the same token you have to also blame Danny for the same.
Ultimately, this all ended up putting Thomas in a bad spot when all he was trying to do was accommodate his family because, jesus, the reality is that it is a lot to ask to have normal folks shuttle back and forth between the west coast and Boston in the middle of the week just for a little 2 minute video at a game when Thomas wouldn't even be playing. It's just dumb misfortune that the NBA schedule (a) had the first CLE game just a week or so too early for Thomas to be back playing yet and (b) the second CLE game happened to fall on the Pierce retirement night.
If not for that schedule, none of this is an issue.
But i guess it's just more fodder for people to feel good and righteous about themselves.
I have a hard time labeling ITs family as "regular folk". He makes 8 mil a year and knew this would be his return date for months.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
I'm sorry, but this is just getting silly. First off, it is the _Celtics_ (i.e., Danny) who first told Thomas they were going to do a video tribute. Thomas didn't _ask_ for it. So it's misrepresenting the dynamic to suggest it is something he should/should not ask for. Second of all, no, it is NOT "all about championships". That cat has LOOOONG been out of the bag because the Cs have done many video tributes for former Celtic players who haven't sniffed a championship. Third, Danny's comments several weeks ago made it clear he honestly did not see the big deal with celebrating both on the same night. So your little pretend letter reads as pure fan fiction that has nothing to do with what you should ever expect Danny Ainge to feel or to write.
You can blame Thomas for not thinking ahead about a reschedule interfering with Pierce's tribute but by the same token you have to also blame Danny for the same.
Ultimately, this all ended up putting Thomas in a bad spot when all he was trying to do was accommodate his family because, jesus, the reality is that it is a lot to ask to have normal folks shuttle back and forth between the west coast and Boston in the middle of the week just for a little 2 minute video at a game when Thomas wouldn't even be playing. It's just dumb misfortune that the NBA schedule (a) had the first CLE game just a week or so too early for Thomas to be back playing yet and (b) the second CLE game happened to fall on the Pierce retirement night.
If not for that schedule, none of this is an issue.
But i guess it's just more fodder for people to feel good and righteous about themselves.
I have a hard time labeling ITs family as "regular folk". He makes 8 mil a year and knew this would be his return date for months.
Thomas makes 6.26M, not 8M. He's never had one of the giant contracts and he's fresh off an injury that has threatened to make that never happen. He's still not guaranteed to ever get a big pay day.
And while that 6.26M may sound like a lot to you, it can be spread pretty thin quickly when you think of a pro athlete as a small business. And however much money he might make, the rest of his family are indeed normal people with real 9-to-5 jobs and schools they have to attend and pets that need to be cared for and so on. It's a simple physical fact that flying back and forth across the country takes time and is a big logistical endeavor, especially for people and their families who don't do that a lot.
Why is it so hard to realize that pro athletes are human beings?
That he knew which day would be the Cavs first game in Boston for months doesn't mean much. He could not have been certain whether he'd be allowed to play or not by then.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
Love how it’s WE.!!
After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
Sure. He was drafted here and played more seasons here. He was somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a title team, a goal IT never achieved.
That said, if you swap IT and Rondo, the 2008 squad would have still won, while there’s little chance that last year’s team makes the ECF. Plus, IT never dogged it, unlike what we saw at the end of Rondo’s career. It soured things.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
I'm sorry, but this is just getting silly. First off, it is the _Celtics_ (i.e., Danny) who first told Thomas they were going to do a video tribute. Thomas didn't _ask_ for it. So it's misrepresenting the dynamic to suggest it is something he should/should not ask for. Second of all, no, it is NOT "all about championships". That cat has LOOOONG been out of the bag because the Cs have done many video tributes for former Celtic players who haven't sniffed a championship. Third, Danny's comments several weeks ago made it clear he honestly did not see the big deal with celebrating both on the same night. So your little pretend letter reads as pure fan fiction that has nothing to do with what you should ever expect Danny Ainge to feel or to write.
You can blame Thomas for not thinking ahead about a reschedule interfering with Pierce's tribute but by the same token you have to also blame Danny for the same.
Ultimately, this all ended up putting Thomas in a bad spot when all he was trying to do was accommodate his family because, jesus, the reality is that it is a lot to ask to have normal folks shuttle back and forth between the west coast and Boston in the middle of the week just for a little 2 minute video at a game when Thomas wouldn't even be playing. It's just dumb misfortune that the NBA schedule (a) had the first CLE game just a week or so too early for Thomas to be back playing yet and (b) the second CLE game happened to fall on the Pierce retirement night.
If not for that schedule, none of this is an issue.
But i guess it's just more fodder for people to feel good and righteous about themselves.
I have a hard time labeling ITs family as "regular folk". He makes 8 mil a year and knew this would be his return date for months.
I’d say they’re pretty regular. Chyna was driving a 1998 Camry when she died. His family isn’t rich just because he is.
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It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
I'm sorry, but this is just getting silly. First off, it is the _Celtics_ (i.e., Danny) who first told Thomas they were going to do a video tribute. Thomas didn't _ask_ for it. So it's misrepresenting the dynamic to suggest it is something he should/should not ask for. Second of all, no, it is NOT "all about championships". That cat has LOOOONG been out of the bag because the Cs have done many video tributes for former Celtic players who haven't sniffed a championship. Third, Danny's comments several weeks ago made it clear he honestly did not see the big deal with celebrating both on the same night. So your little pretend letter reads as pure fan fiction that has nothing to do with what you should ever expect Danny Ainge to feel or to write.
You can blame Thomas for not thinking ahead about a reschedule interfering with Pierce's tribute but by the same token you have to also blame Danny for the same.
Ultimately, this all ended up putting Thomas in a bad spot when all he was trying to do was accommodate his family because, jesus, the reality is that it is a lot to ask to have normal folks shuttle back and forth between the west coast and Boston in the middle of the week just for a little 2 minute video at a game when Thomas wouldn't even be playing. It's just dumb misfortune that the NBA schedule (a) had the first CLE game just a week or so too early for Thomas to be back playing yet and (b) the second CLE game happened to fall on the Pierce retirement night.
If not for that schedule, none of this is an issue.
But i guess it's just more fodder for people to feel good and righteous about themselves.
I have a hard time labeling ITs family as "regular folk". He makes 8 mil a year and knew this would be his return date for months.
Thomas makes 6.26M, not 8M. He's never had one of the giant contracts and he's fresh off an injury that has threatened to make that never happen. He's still not guaranteed to ever get a big pay day.
And while that 6.26M may sound like a lot to you, it can be spread pretty thin quickly when you think of a pro athlete as a small business. And however much money he might make, the rest of his family are indeed normal people with real 9-to-5 jobs and schools they have to attend and pets that need to be cared for and so on. It's a simple physical fact that flying back and forth across the country takes time and is a big logistical endeavor, especially for people and their families who don't do that a lot.
Why is it so hard to realize that pro athletes are human beings?
That he knew which day would be the Cavs first game in Boston for months doesn't mean much. He could not have been certain whether he'd be allowed to play or not by then.
You're grasping at straws. IT doesn't have a large nuclear family (just checked). Let's say it costs $800 for a round trip ticket. Another $300 for a hotel room (let's give him 3 rooms). Let's assume that no one is going to pay for themselves. I don't see why that 2 minute video should cost IT more than $5k. He just got fined $20k and nobody started a charity to help him make ends meet.
I do agree that this is an opportunity for fans to pile on. While Roy was turned off by Rondo's last days in Boston, I was turned off by IT's outspoken comments. It is ok to be turned off by things that people say/do.
I do think that this was more of a logistical issue than anything, and all parties are to blame. I think my comments came from the context that CLE has been brutal since IT has returned. I'm not inferring any causality, but it doesn't look good for a player that is struggling to concern himself with these trivial matters. I would think that IT should be focused on the future and not the past, esp if he is going to help pay for his family to make future trips to NBA championships.
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In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
Sure. He was drafted here and played more seasons here. He was somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a title team, a goal IT never achieved.
That said, if you swap IT and Rondo, the 2008 squad would have still won, while there’s little chance that last year’s team makes the ECF. Plus, IT never dogged it, unlike what we saw at the end of Rondo’s career. It soured things.
I completely disagree with that. At his peak, Rondo was an All-NBA caliber defender. In the Finals, he was disruptive on the defensive end. The 2008 squad was stellar on the defensive end, that takes a hit with IT in Rondo's place, no matter how much you disliked his ending here. Not taking away from anything IT did last year but you put IT on the 2008 squad, he's Eddie House.
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In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
Sure. He was drafted here and played more seasons here. He was somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a title team, a goal IT never achieved.
That said, if you swap IT and Rondo, the 2008 squad would have still won, while there’s little chance that last year’s team makes the ECF. Plus, IT never dogged it, unlike what we saw at the end of Rondo’s career. It soured things.
I completely disagree with that. At his peak, Rondo was an All-NBA caliber defender. In the Finals, he was disruptive on the defensive end. The 2008 squad was stellar on the defensive end, that takes a hit with IT in Rondo's place, no matter how much you disliked his ending here. Not taking away from anything IT did last year but you put IT on the 2008 squad, he's Eddie House.
I think that is hyperbole. IT was a better playmaker in SAC and PHO than Eddie ever was. IT only got better when he came to BOS.
I loved Rondo and loved IT. We don't need to crap on these guys once they leave. Both players are not part of the Celtics' bright future, which is OK.
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In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
Sure. He was drafted here and played more seasons here. He was somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a title team, a goal IT never achieved.
That said, if you swap IT and Rondo, the 2008 squad would have still won, while there’s little chance that last year’s team makes the ECF. Plus, IT never dogged it, unlike what we saw at the end of Rondo’s career. It soured things.
I completely disagree with that. At his peak, Rondo was an All-NBA caliber defender. In the Finals, he was disruptive on the defensive end. The 2008 squad was stellar on the defensive end, that takes a hit with IT in Rondo's place, no matter how much you disliked his ending here. Not taking away from anything IT did last year but you put IT on the 2008 squad, he's Eddie House.
Rondo was in his 2nd year in 2008. Against the Lakers in the finals he averaged 9.3 p, 6.7 a, 3.8 r, 1.5 s, 0.5 b and shot 37.7% from two and 59.3% from the line (he was 0-3 from three). His main defensive assignment was Derek Fisher. Let's not pretend Rondo was some vital cog to that title team because he just wasn't. You could make reasonable arguments that both James Posey and Kendrick Perkins were more valuable to that team than Rondo was (in addition to the Big 3). Sure as the seasons went on Rondo's value and importance increased, but the title year, he was clearly a role player.
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You're grasping at straws. IT doesn't have a large nuclear family (just checked). Let's say it costs $800 for a round trip ticket. Another $300 for a hotel room (let's give him 3 rooms). Let's assume that no one is going to pay for themselves. I don't see why that 2 minute video should cost IT more than $5k. He just got fined $20k and nobody started a charity to help him make ends meet.
I'm not grasping at anything. This isn't about just his nuclear family. He has extended family and friends. And it isn't about the cost. As I said, "however much he might make", asking folks to fly mid week for such a short-lived event all the way across the country and back is a huge logistical deal for folks. It doesn't matter how much the tickets and hotel cost or who is paying for it. I fly solo back and forth across the country at times for work and it's a huge pain in the butt and only do it when I know I'm going to be on the other side for meaningful time before turning around.
I do agree that this is an opportunity for fans to pile on. While Roy was turned off by Rondo's last days in Boston, I was turned off by IT's outspoken comments. It is ok to be turned off by things that people say/do.
I do think that this was more of a logistical issue than anything, and all parties are to blame. I think my comments came from the context that CLE has been brutal since IT has returned. I'm not inferring any causality, but it doesn't look good for a player that is struggling to concern himself with these trivial matters. I would think that IT should be focused on the future and not the past, esp if he is going to help pay for his family to make future trips to NBA championships.
Your context is not well informed. CLE has been brutal for long before IT returned. They are in the midst of a 3-9 slump. That's 11 games. Thomas has only played in 5 (and not even full-time minutes in those) games. Cleveland's defensive problems have almost nothing to do with Thomas as they've been there all season and are directly assignable to several different Cavs players. As a team they are the worst in the NBA at defending P&R rollers and ISO plays. And they have several notable offenders (none of them named Thomas) who are getting lit up on those plays and have been all season. Some of that is because players like Korver, Smith, etc., are simply old & slow and not good at defending those play types. Some of that though, is probably on Lue since when so many different individuals are getting lit up by the same two play types that it has your whole team running away with first place as worst in defending them, it's almost certainly partly systematic and you have to adjust scheme to try to take those situations away.
Certainly, Thomas is not likely to 'fix' their defensive problems. But at least so far, in his small sample size, his own defensive metrics show he is nowhere near their worst defensive problem. He's one of the few CLE players with a negative DFG% differential (negative is good). And on the play type that he's required to defend the most, P&R ball-handlers, he's ranking out as above league average so far (59.6% percentile). That accounts for half the plays he defends.
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Pierce is being classless
He doesnt wants "claps" being wasted
And to bad mouth IT4 ... Cmon Paul
lol no.
So KG, Billups, Tony, Rondo, and others are all classless?
Literally none of this happens if IT doesn't say anything and let's his video happen when it should have.
Pierce has done nothing wrong or classless.
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Pierce is being classless
He doesnt wants "claps" being wasted
And to bad mouth IT4 ... Cmon Paul
lol no.
So KG, Billups, Tony, Rondo, and others are all classless?
Literally none of this happens if IT doesn't say anything and let's his video happen when it should have.
Pierce has done nothing wrong or classless.
As an aside, you think KG, Tony, Rondo are classy guys? Loyal, perhaps, but classy? Based upon what?
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I think it is pretty clear the Celtics should have just done the short video when he first came back and said now or never. None of the other stuff would have happened if they did that.
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You're grasping at straws. IT doesn't have a large nuclear family (just checked). Let's say it costs $800 for a round trip ticket. Another $300 for a hotel room (let's give him 3 rooms). Let's assume that no one is going to pay for themselves. I don't see why that 2 minute video should cost IT more than $5k. He just got fined $20k and nobody started a charity to help him make ends meet.
I'm not grasping at anything. This isn't about just his nuclear family. He has extended family and friends. And it isn't about the cost. As I said, "however much he might make", asking folks to fly mid week for such a short-lived event all the way across the country and back is a huge logistical deal for folks. It doesn't matter how much the tickets and hotel cost or who is paying for it. I fly solo back and forth across the country at times for work and it's a huge pain in the butt and only do it when I know I'm going to be on the other side for meaningful time before turning around.
I do agree that this is an opportunity for fans to pile on. While Roy was turned off by Rondo's last days in Boston, I was turned off by IT's outspoken comments. It is ok to be turned off by things that people say/do.
I do think that this was more of a logistical issue than anything, and all parties are to blame. I think my comments came from the context that CLE has been brutal since IT has returned. I'm not inferring any causality, but it doesn't look good for a player that is struggling to concern himself with these trivial matters. I would think that IT should be focused on the future and not the past, esp if he is going to help pay for his family to make future trips to NBA championships.
Your context is not well informed. CLE has been brutal for long before IT returned. They are in the midst of a 3-9 slump. That's 11 games. Thomas has only played in 5 (and not even full-time minutes in those) games. Cleveland's defensive problems have almost nothing to do with Thomas as they've been there all season and are directly assignable to several different Cavs players. As a team they are the worst in the NBA at defending P&R rollers and ISO plays. And they have several notable offenders (none of them named Thomas) who are getting lit up on those plays and have been all season. Some of that is because players like Korver, Smith, etc., are simply old & slow and not good at defending those play types. Some of that though, is probably on Lue since when so many different individuals are getting lit up by the same two play types that it has your whole team running away with first place as worst in defending them, it's almost certainly partly systematic and you have to adjust scheme to try to take those situations away.
Certainly, Thomas is not likely to 'fix' their defensive problems. But at least so far, in his small sample size, his own defensive metrics show he is nowhere near their worst defensive problem. He's one of the few CLE players with a negative DFG% differential (negative is good). And on the play type that he's required to defend the most, P&R ball-handlers, he's ranking out as above league average so far (59.6% percentile). That accounts for half the plays he defends.
I have also traveled. I disagree that it would have been a monumental task to fly his family. If you're expanding this to family/friends/friends of friends, then yes, it would get expensive.
I appreciate you taking the time to provide evidence that IT isn't Cleveland's problem. I agree with this statement.
My statement was that he should be focused on the future, not the past. Talking about tributes (the past) doesn't help his team right the ship, and it doesn't help likelihood of getting paid. He wants the Brinks truck and wants to play for a winner. I think its also plausible that he would like to throw any wrench that he has in Danny Ainge's machinery. As small of a thing as a tribute is, this was IT's only wrench.
Now, I'm not saying that a team will pay IT only b/c he's a good guy and knows when to let an issue go. They will pay him big $ b/c they think he can help their team win a championship. His offers this offseason will give us a read on how he is perceived by the rest of the NBA. I wish him nothing but good luck and hope that he can make big money so plane flights aren't such a big issue.
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I'm not going to pass judgment on Pierce, IT, Rondo, KG, or Tony Allen for anything any of them said about this situation. Simply, the Celtics front office botched this big time. If IT didn't want the tribute that day, the front office should have known the next time IT was in town was Pierce's night.
Ainge and the front office went FUBAR on this. No reason to pass judgment on anyone else for their opinions once Ainge screwed the pouch.
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Like it or not IT4 is still going to get an ovation.... just let the team show a short clip....geeez
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Like it or not IT4 is still going to get an ovation.... just let the team show a short clip....geeez
Celtics brass will shut that down too.
PA’s mic will be cut when he introduces IT in the starting lineup.
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How is anyone defending Thomas here?
By the numbers
Dec 21 - Assigned to G-League affiliate to practice fully vs them.
Dec 27 - Says he's good enough to play vs Sacramento, but the team doesn't allow him to.
Dec 29 - First full scrimmage with the Cavs (as an older team they don't scrimmage much).
Dec 30 - He doesn't play vs Sacramento, since it's the day after the scrimmage, but the team expects him to make his season debut in a few days.
This is where there are issues with Thomas. He can't play back-to-back games, so he decides to play on January 2nd and not play in Boston the following night. His reasoning being, "I don't want to play just to be out there, so, I don't know. That minute restriction, that would be tough to play in Boston on a minute restriction", clearly speaks as to his intentions. It's not about a tribute, since he would've had it on that night (January 3rd). It's not about not being able to get his family there, since all indications were that he was targeting that week for a while. No,it's all about sticking it to the C's. So why would we reward a person that has repeatedly criticized Ainge, dictated the terms of a video tribute, wanted to move it to a night we celebrate a true Celtics legend, all so he could stick it to us and make the night about him being honored and getting revenge?
Yeah, I don't think so. Good luck with the Brinks truck on that bad hip.
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You're grasping at straws. IT doesn't have a large nuclear family (just checked). Let's say it costs $800 for a round trip ticket. Another $300 for a hotel room (let's give him 3 rooms). Let's assume that no one is going to pay for themselves. I don't see why that 2 minute video should cost IT more than $5k. He just got fined $20k and nobody started a charity to help him make ends meet.
I'm not grasping at anything. This isn't about just his nuclear family. He has extended family and friends. And it isn't about the cost. As I said, "however much he might make", asking folks to fly mid week for such a short-lived event all the way across the country and back is a huge logistical deal for folks. It doesn't matter how much the tickets and hotel cost or who is paying for it. I fly solo back and forth across the country at times for work and it's a huge pain in the butt and only do it when I know I'm going to be on the other side for meaningful time before turning around.
I do agree that this is an opportunity for fans to pile on. While Roy was turned off by Rondo's last days in Boston, I was turned off by IT's outspoken comments. It is ok to be turned off by things that people say/do.
I do think that this was more of a logistical issue than anything, and all parties are to blame. I think my comments came from the context that CLE has been brutal since IT has returned. I'm not inferring any causality, but it doesn't look good for a player that is struggling to concern himself with these trivial matters. I would think that IT should be focused on the future and not the past, esp if he is going to help pay for his family to make future trips to NBA championships.
Your context is not well informed. CLE has been brutal for long before IT returned. They are in the midst of a 3-9 slump. That's 11 games. Thomas has only played in 5 (and not even full-time minutes in those) games. Cleveland's defensive problems have almost nothing to do with Thomas as they've been there all season and are directly assignable to several different Cavs players. As a team they are the worst in the NBA at defending P&R rollers and ISO plays. And they have several notable offenders (none of them named Thomas) who are getting lit up on those plays and have been all season. Some of that is because players like Korver, Smith, etc., are simply old & slow and not good at defending those play types. Some of that though, is probably on Lue since when so many different individuals are getting lit up by the same two play types that it has your whole team running away with first place as worst in defending them, it's almost certainly partly systematic and you have to adjust scheme to try to take those situations away.
Certainly, Thomas is not likely to 'fix' their defensive problems. But at least so far, in his small sample size, his own defensive metrics show he is nowhere near their worst defensive problem. He's one of the few CLE players with a negative DFG% differential (negative is good). And on the play type that he's required to defend the most, P&R ball-handlers, he's ranking out as above league average so far (59.6% percentile). That accounts for half the plays he defends.
I have also traveled. I disagree that it would have been a monumental task to fly his family. If you're expanding this to family/friends/friends of friends, then yes, it would get expensive.
I appreciate you taking the time to provide evidence that IT isn't Cleveland's problem. I agree with this statement.
My statement was that he should be focused on the future, not the past. Talking about tributes (the past) doesn't help his team right the ship, and it doesn't help likelihood of getting paid. He wants the Brinks truck and wants to play for a winner.
Thomas isn't the one talking about all this stuff. Other people are. All he has ever really said is (a) when told by the Cs that they wanted to do a video and it was clear he wouldn't be able to play, he asked if it could be put off for another day when he would actually be playing and (b) when that ended up getting under the skirts of everyone because the next obvious day was Paul Pierce's number ceremony day he asked out of having a video tribute so the Cs could focus on Pierce.
I suspect that Thomas has his eyes on his own future and probably doesn't need our life advice. How he'll get paid will depend almost certainly on how well he plays through the rest of this year.
I think its also plausible that he would like to throw any wrench that he has in Danny Ainge's machinery. As small of a thing as a tribute is, this was IT's only wrench.
As plausible as anything might be, that reads pretty much like made up, fantasy projection on your part.
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How is anyone defending Thomas here?
By the numbers
Dec 21 - Assigned to G-League affiliate to practice fully vs them.
Dec 27 - Says he's good enough to play vs Sacramento, but the team doesn't allow him to.
Dec 29 - First full scrimmage with the Cavs (as an older team they don't scrimmage much).
Dec 30 - He doesn't play vs Sacramento, since it's the day after the scrimmage, but the team expects him to make his season debut in a few days.
This is where there are issues with Thomas. He can't play back-to-back games, so he decides to play on January 2nd and not play in Boston the following night. His reasoning being, "I don't want to play just to be out there, so, I don't know. That minute restriction, that would be tough to play in Boston on a minute restriction", clearly speaks as to his intentions. It's not about a tribute, since he would've had it on that night (January 3rd). It's not about not being able to get his family there, since all indications were that he was targeting that week for a while. No,it's all about sticking it to the C's. So why would we reward a person that has repeatedly criticized Ainge, dictated the terms of a video tribute, wanted to move it to a night we celebrate a true Celtics legend, all so he could stick it to us and make the night about him being honored and getting revenge?
Yeah, I don't think so. Good luck with the Brinks truck on that bad hip.
I was under the impression that Cleveland wanted to bring him back at a home game, where they could have their full medical staff there.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
Love how it’s WE.!!
After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
Sure. He was drafted here and played more seasons here. He was somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a title team, a goal IT never achieved.
That said, if you swap IT and Rondo, the 2008 squad would have still won, while there’s little chance that last year’s team makes the ECF. Plus, IT never dogged it, unlike what we saw at the end of Rondo’s career. It soured things.
Id say tribute videos are earned through ones legacy as a Celtic and we've just agreed that Rondo has a greater Celtic legacy than Thomas.
Whether IT would have had more or less success with the big 3 seems irrelevant to the discussion.
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How is anyone defending Thomas here?
By the numbers
Dec 21 - Assigned to G-League affiliate to practice fully vs them.
Dec 27 - Says he's good enough to play vs Sacramento, but the team doesn't allow him to.
Dec 29 - First full scrimmage with the Cavs (as an older team they don't scrimmage much).
Dec 30 - He doesn't play vs Sacramento, since it's the day after the scrimmage, but the team expects him to make his season debut in a few days.
This is where there are issues with Thomas. He can't play back-to-back games, so he decides to play on January 2nd and not play in Boston the following night. His reasoning being, "I don't want to play just to be out there, so, I don't know. That minute restriction, that would be tough to play in Boston on a minute restriction", clearly speaks as to his intentions. It's not about a tribute, since he would've had it on that night (January 3rd).
No. The reason for playing the prior game was because it was a home game. When a player comes back and plays after a long rehab, there is always risk of something happening, in particular bad muscle cramps. Med staff always prefers them to start back at home.
But that's a colorful narrative about his intentions you've got going.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
Love how it’s WE.!!
After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
Sure. He was drafted here and played more seasons here. He was somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a title team, a goal IT never achieved.
That said, if you swap IT and Rondo, the 2008 squad would have still won, while there’s little chance that last year’s team makes the ECF. Plus, IT never dogged it, unlike what we saw at the end of Rondo’s career. It soured things.
Id say tribute videos are earned through ones legacy as a Celtic and we've just agreed that Rondo has a greater Celtic legacy than Thomas.
Whether IT would have had more or less success with the big 3 seems irrelevant to the discussion.
When you force your way off the team through your poor play, effort and attitude, I don’t think the team owes a guy anything.
Look at what the Cavs did with Kyrie: he forced a trade, and he wasn’t welcomed back. There’s something to be said for appreciating the guys who valued your franchise.
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I think it is pretty clear the Celtics should have just done the short video when he first came back and said now or never. None of the other stuff would have happened if they did that.
Management really screwed the pooch. I hope Ainge likes hearing about this every interview now lol
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No. The reason for playing the prior game was because it was a home game. When a player comes back and plays after a long rehab, there is always risk of something happening, in particular bad muscle cramps. Med staff always prefers them to start back at home.
"Bad muscle cramps" are a problem on the road?! Oh noes!
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I guess from Pierce point of view - this mess could have been avoided if Ainge had the balls to tell IT4 straight up, no ... can't be switched to Pierce night.
The little guy should have taken the tribute option two weeks ago. For him to ask for it on PP was a miscalculation.
IT4 + Celtics = not meant to be , in many ways
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Ouch. But true.
Love how it’s WE.!!
After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
In terms of Celtics legacies Rondo > IT
Sure. He was drafted here and played more seasons here. He was somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a title team, a goal IT never achieved.
That said, if you swap IT and Rondo, the 2008 squad would have still won, while there’s little chance that last year’s team makes the ECF. Plus, IT never dogged it, unlike what we saw at the end of Rondo’s career. It soured things.
Id say tribute videos are earned through ones legacy as a Celtic and we've just agreed that Rondo has a greater Celtic legacy than Thomas.
Whether IT would have had more or less success with the big 3 seems irrelevant to the discussion.
When you force your way off the team through your poor play, effort and attitude, I don’t think the team owes a guy anything.
Look at what the Cavs did with Kyrie: he forced a trade, and he wasn’t welcomed back. There’s something to be said for appreciating the guys who valued your franchise.
Did Rondo really force his way off the team? Rondo was being shopped for a couple years before he was finally moved. Ever since the surgery when he came back and wasn't quite the same, he was being shopped.
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No. The reason for playing the prior game was because it was a home game. When a player comes back and plays after a long rehab, there is always risk of something happening, in particular bad muscle cramps. Med staff always prefers them to start back at home.
"Bad muscle cramps" are a problem on the road?! Oh noes!
Are you trivializing that? Why send the player out on a plane trip, test the waters only to have a problem and then have to fly him home? Better to test the waters at home to eliminate the travel. Schedule obviously doesn't always give the staff a choice. But when it does, I'd bet they always favor using a home game as the first game back.
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No. The reason for playing the prior game was because it was a home game. When a player comes back and plays after a long rehab, there is always risk of something happening, in particular bad muscle cramps. Med staff always prefers them to start back at home.
"Bad muscle cramps" are a problem on the road?! Oh noes!
Are you trivializing that? Why send the player out on a plane trip, test the waters only to have a problem and then have to fly him home? Better to test the waters at home to eliminate the travel. Schedule obviously doesn't always give the staff a choice. But when it does, I'd bet they always favor using a home game as the first game back.
I understand why you'd like to start at home, but let's not pretend that muscle cramps are the issue here. Thomas traveled to Boston with the team anyway.
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Thought this was an interesting comment I found
"This has a lot to do with how the Lakers retired Kobe's Jersey. It was pretty epic, and they literally made the entire night about Kobe!! Paul was covering the game that night and you can see he got pretty amped.
It really wasn't going to be that big of a deal, but the way they did Kobe, Paul saw how he wanted the Celts to honor him"
And why not. The guy has 26,397 points and is the Celtics 2nd all time leading scorer. He led the team to its first championship in 22 years and along with KG restored Celtics lore and was the face of creating an entire generation of Celtics fans. And if KG doesn't get hurt in 09, and refs don't start calling crappy early in the fourth quarter of game 7, he would've helped raise two or three banners. He absolutely deserves a night of accolades, upon accolades, upon accolades. And next season number 5 will be right next to his.
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Thought this was an interesting comment I found
"This has a lot to do with how the Lakers retired Kobe's Jersey. It was pretty epic, and they literally made the entire night about Kobe!! Paul was covering the game that night and you can see he got pretty amped.
It really wasn't going to be that big of a deal, but the way they did Kobe, Paul saw how he wanted the Celts to honor him"
And why not. The guy has 26,397 points and is the Celtics 2nd all time leading scorer. He led the team to its first championship in 22 years and along with KG restored Celtics lore and was the face of creating an entire generation of Celtics fans. And if KG doesn't get hurt in 09, and refs don't start calling crappy early in the fourth quarter of game 7, he would've helped raise two or three banners. He absolutely deserves a night of accolades, upon accolades, upon accolades. And next season number 5 will be right next to his.
While that's all true, he's not on Kobe's level. Demanding his own night -- when the norm for Celtics legends has been a halftime show -- seems a little over the top. Pierce is demanding that he be elevated over Havlicek and Cousy and Tommy and Cowens and McHale, etc., etc. The only Celtics I can remember getting their own night were Larry and Russell (his second retirement ceremony; the first was done with the Garden nearly empty).
It's very weird to me that Paul seems so insecure. I think he put himself above the team when Danny went to him, told him that the team made a commitment to Isaiah, and asked him to bless a short video. Pierce not only declined, but he shared that story with the media. What good does it serve to tell the world that he refused Danny Ainge's request? I think that's disrespectful to Danny and to the team.
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Thought this was an interesting comment I found
"This has a lot to do with how the Lakers retired Kobe's Jersey. It was pretty epic, and they literally made the entire night about Kobe!! Paul was covering the game that night and you can see he got pretty amped.
It really wasn't going to be that big of a deal, but the way they did Kobe, Paul saw how he wanted the Celts to honor him"
And why not. The guy has 26,397 points and is the Celtics 2nd all time leading scorer. He led the team to its first championship in 22 years and along with KG restored Celtics lore and was the face of creating an entire generation of Celtics fans. And if KG doesn't get hurt in 09, and refs don't start calling crappy early in the fourth quarter of game 7, he would've helped raise two or three banners. He absolutely deserves a night of accolades, upon accolades, upon accolades. And next season number 5 will be right next to his.
While that's all true, he's not on Kobe's level. Demanding his own night -- when the norm for Celtics legends has been a halftime show -- seems a little over the top. Pierce is demanding that he be elevated over Havlicek and Cousy and Tommy and Cowens and McHale, etc., etc. The only Celtics I can remember getting their own night were Larry and Russell (his second retirement ceremony; the first was done with the Garden nearly empty).
It's very weird to me that Paul seems so insecure. I think he put himself above the team when Danny went to him, told him that the team made a commitment to Isaiah, and asked him to bless a short video. Pierce not only declined, but he shared that story with the media. What good does it serve to tell the world that he refused Danny Ainge's request? I think that's disrespectful to Danny and to the team.
I don't find that insecure. It's his night for a culmination of a career. He doesn't understand all these tribute videos for players that are around a few years as something special because he's old school. I understand where he's coming from. Like he said IT is only 28, it will be ok for him to wait lol
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Thought this was an interesting comment I found
"This has a lot to do with how the Lakers retired Kobe's Jersey. It was pretty epic, and they literally made the entire night about Kobe!! Paul was covering the game that night and you can see he got pretty amped.
It really wasn't going to be that big of a deal, but the way they did Kobe, Paul saw how he wanted the Celts to honor him"
And why not. The guy has 26,397 points and is the Celtics 2nd all time leading scorer. He led the team to its first championship in 22 years and along with KG restored Celtics lore and was the face of creating an entire generation of Celtics fans. And if KG doesn't get hurt in 09, and refs don't start calling crappy early in the fourth quarter of game 7, he would've helped raise two or three banners. He absolutely deserves a night of accolades, upon accolades, upon accolades. And next season number 5 will be right next to his.
While that's all true, he's not on Kobe's level. Demanding his own night -- when the norm for Celtics legends has been a halftime show -- seems a little over the top. Pierce is demanding that he be elevated over Havlicek and Cousy and Tommy and Cowens and McHale, etc., etc. The only Celtics I can remember getting their own night were Larry and Russell (his second retirement ceremony; the first was done with the Garden nearly empty).
It's very weird to me that Paul seems so insecure. I think he put himself above the team when Danny went to him, told him that the team made a commitment to Isaiah, and asked him to bless a short video. Pierce not only declined, but he shared that story with the media. What good does it serve to tell the world that he refused Danny Ainge's request? I think that's disrespectful to Danny and to the team.
He didn't demand his own night. The team decided that they wanted to honor him after the game so they wouldn't be limited by the time limit of a half time ceremony. The C's have done that before, for Larry Bird.
This Isaiah Thomas worship is over the top. He was here for 2.5 season and had one epic season.
This shouldn't even be an argument, Paul Pierce is the most iconic Celtic since Larry Bird (I'd argue that KG might've been the most important). He can have a whole week as far as I'm concerned.
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Thought this was an interesting comment I found
"This has a lot to do with how the Lakers retired Kobe's Jersey. It was pretty epic, and they literally made the entire night about Kobe!! Paul was covering the game that night and you can see he got pretty amped.
It really wasn't going to be that big of a deal, but the way they did Kobe, Paul saw how he wanted the Celts to honor him"
And why not. The guy has 26,397 points and is the Celtics 2nd all time leading scorer. He led the team to its first championship in 22 years and along with KG restored Celtics lore and was the face of creating an entire generation of Celtics fans. And if KG doesn't get hurt in 09, and refs don't start calling crappy early in the fourth quarter of game 7, he would've helped raise two or three banners. He absolutely deserves a night of accolades, upon accolades, upon accolades. And next season number 5 will be right next to his.
While that's all true, he's not on Kobe's level. Demanding his own night -- when the norm for Celtics legends has been a halftime show -- seems a little over the top. Pierce is demanding that he be elevated over Havlicek and Cousy and Tommy and Cowens and McHale, etc., etc. The only Celtics I can remember getting their own night were Larry and Russell (his second retirement ceremony; the first was done with the Garden nearly empty).
It's very weird to me that Paul seems so insecure. I think he put himself above the team when Danny went to him, told him that the team made a commitment to Isaiah, and asked him to bless a short video. Pierce not only declined, but he shared that story with the media. What good does it serve to tell the world that he refused Danny Ainge's request? I think that's disrespectful to Danny and to the team.
He didn't demand his own night. The team decided that they wanted to honor him after the game so they wouldn't be limited by the time limit of a half time ceremony. The C's have done that before, for Larry Bird.
This Isaiah Thomas worship is over the top. He was here for 2.5 season and had one epic season.
This shouldn't even be an argument, Paul Pierce is the most iconic Celtic since Larry Bird (I'd argue that KG might've been the most important). He can have a whole week as far as I'm concerned.
Right. Pierce was promised a post-game ceremony. Pierce turned that into an entire night, so that he got the “Kobe” treatment. That apparently includes editorial control of the Jumbotron and the right to tell Danny and the Celtics to pound sand, very publicly.
It’s very un-Celtic like, from a guy who was a great Celtic.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
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Thought this was an interesting comment I found
"This has a lot to do with how the Lakers retired Kobe's Jersey. It was pretty epic, and they literally made the entire night about Kobe!! Paul was covering the game that night and you can see he got pretty amped.
It really wasn't going to be that big of a deal, but the way they did Kobe, Paul saw how he wanted the Celts to honor him"
And why not. The guy has 26,397 points and is the Celtics 2nd all time leading scorer. He led the team to its first championship in 22 years and along with KG restored Celtics lore and was the face of creating an entire generation of Celtics fans. And if KG doesn't get hurt in 09, and refs don't start calling crappy early in the fourth quarter of game 7, he would've helped raise two or three banners. He absolutely deserves a night of accolades, upon accolades, upon accolades. And next season number 5 will be right next to his.
While that's all true, he's not on Kobe's level. Demanding his own night -- when the norm for Celtics legends has been a halftime show -- seems a little over the top. Pierce is demanding that he be elevated over Havlicek and Cousy and Tommy and Cowens and McHale, etc., etc. The only Celtics I can remember getting their own night were Larry and Russell (his second retirement ceremony; the first was done with the Garden nearly empty).
It's very weird to me that Paul seems so insecure. I think he put himself above the team when Danny went to him, told him that the team made a commitment to Isaiah, and asked him to bless a short video. Pierce not only declined, but he shared that story with the media. What good does it serve to tell the world that he refused Danny Ainge's request? I think that's disrespectful to Danny and to the team.
He didn't demand his own night. The team decided that they wanted to honor him after the game so they wouldn't be limited by the time limit of a half time ceremony. The C's have done that before, for Larry Bird.
This Isaiah Thomas worship is over the top. He was here for 2.5 season and had one epic season.
This shouldn't even be an argument, Paul Pierce is the most iconic Celtic since Larry Bird (I'd argue that KG might've been the most important). He can have a whole week as far as I'm concerned.
Right. Pierce was promised a post-game ceremony. Pierce turned that into an entire night, so that he got the “Kobe” treatment. That apparently includes editorial control of the Jumbotron and the right to tell Danny and the Celtics to pound sand, very publicly.
It’s very un-Celtic like, from a guy who was a great Celtic.
Wow, dude. You have this all wrong. I'll bet all I got that they were going to show Paul Pierce highlights all game anyway. All Pierce is saying is he doesn't want to share his day with IT. there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He earned this moment.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
It seems odd that in a team game, Pierce refuses to allow other Celtics players to be shown on the Jumbotron. Weirder still, he thinks he’s bigger than Danny Ainge and the organization.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a fragile ego and a petty streak.
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I thought he had outgrown that, but Paul always had a bit of a diva streak.
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I’ll never understand this dramatic romanticization and exaggerated worship of IT’s short time here. I’m guessing his diminutive size and “feel good story” play a significant role in these feelings, but personally I found him polarizing, especially after he experienced some success and started running his yapper about getting paid.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
It seems odd that in a team game, Pierce refuses to allow other Celtics players to be shown on the Jumbotron. Weirder still, he thinks he’s bigger than Danny Ainge and the organization.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a fragile ego and a petty streak.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qBEQ62M2b_4/Upy341iIO1I/AAAAAAAAAeI/ln51U6Bz5Gw/s1600/piercebandage.jpg)
I thought he had outgrown that, but Paul always had a bit of a diva streak.
Roy you are not thinking clearly on this lol The whole thing is dumb anyways. If you want to take it out on someone you should choose management who should have never let this happen.
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Some of this trashing of Paul Pierce and looking at IT as the messiah is kinda pathetic. If you can only see Pierce as being selfish, and IT as the “victim”...you’re probably being obtuse at this point. Pierce was being petty (I don’t fully blame him), but he should have never been in the position to even have to speak on “his day”. The Celtics made this into a spectacle and the media ran with it.
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
It seems odd that in a team game, Pierce refuses to allow other Celtics players to be shown on the Jumbotron. Weirder still, he thinks he’s bigger than Danny Ainge and the organization.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a fragile ego and a petty streak.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qBEQ62M2b_4/Upy341iIO1I/AAAAAAAAAeI/ln51U6Bz5Gw/s1600/piercebandage.jpg)
I thought he had outgrown that, but Paul always had a bit of a diva streak.
Roy you are not thinking clearly on this lol The whole thing is dumb anyways. If you want to take it out on someone you should choose management who should have never let this happen.
There’s plenty of blame.
I think Pierce is being the most unreasonable (by not sharing 3 minutes) and most unprofessional (by going public before and after talking with Danny), and the organization looks weak and incompetent (for letting IT dictate his tribute date, then letting Pierce veto that).
I don’t really have a huge problem with what IT did, assuming he didn’t know that Pierce’s ceremony was that night. He made a request privately, and the team said sure.
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Some of this trashing of Paul Pierce and looking at IT as the messiah is kinda pathetic. If you can only see Pierce as being selfish, and IT as the “victim”...you’re probably being obtuse at this point. Pierce was being petty (I don’t fully blame him), but he should have never been in the position to even have to speak on “his day”. The Celtics made this into a spectacle and the media ran with it.
Show one post claiming IT is the messiah, please.
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No. The reason for playing the prior game was because it was a home game. When a player comes back and plays after a long rehab, there is always risk of something happening, in particular bad muscle cramps. Med staff always prefers them to start back at home.
"Bad muscle cramps" are a problem on the road?! Oh noes!
Are you trivializing that? Why send the player out on a plane trip, test the waters only to have a problem and then have to fly him home? Better to test the waters at home to eliminate the travel. Schedule obviously doesn't always give the staff a choice. But when it does, I'd bet they always favor using a home game as the first game back.
I understand why you'd like to start at home, but let's not pretend that muscle cramps are the issue here. Thomas traveled to Boston with the team anyway.
But didn't play. And muscle cramps are only one of several risks when you go from a long rehab to suddenly doing extreme activity necessary to play at the NBA level. I'm really not getting your point here. Did you have one, other than the opportunity for snark?
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
It seems odd that in a team game, Pierce refuses to allow other Celtics players to be shown on the Jumbotron. Weirder still, he thinks he’s bigger than Danny Ainge and the organization.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a fragile ego and a petty streak.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qBEQ62M2b_4/Upy341iIO1I/AAAAAAAAAeI/ln51U6Bz5Gw/s1600/piercebandage.jpg)
I thought he had outgrown that, but Paul always had a bit of a diva streak.
Never thought I would see this level of disrespect for Paul on there boards.
Saddens me.
How about you talk that trash about that guy who couldn't be happy having his moment the first time he came back?
None of this is on Paul.
Literally all of this would have been avoided by IT not being picky about his video (which is absolutely unprecedented).
I honestly think a lot differently of you seeing this sort of tabloid hot take.
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the Isaiah Thomas trade has clouded some peoples opinions...
Somehow it is selfish for Paul pierce, who won a ring in boston and played for the team for 15 years to want a night all to himself when his number is being retired into the rafters.
Yet, it was not selfish for Isaiah Thomas, a player who played 2 1/2 years in boston to demand that his 3 minute tribute video (something the team doesnt even have to do...and its starting to get ridiculous when we give one to Olynyk...) demands that his tribute be put the same night as pierces because he wants to wait to play until he can show the Celtics they made the wrong decision...
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Some of this trashing of Paul Pierce and looking at IT as the messiah is kinda pathetic. If you can only see Pierce as being selfish, and IT as the “victim”...you’re probably being obtuse at this point. Pierce was being petty (I don’t fully blame him), but he should have never been in the position to even have to speak on “his day”. The Celtics made this into a spectacle and the media ran with it.
Eh, there are several folks on this blog who were lightning quick to cast Isaiah as some sort of villain and Pierce as some sort of 'victim' so that silliness works both ways.
As I said in a front-page comment, people want to make villains out of this but there really are no villains here among the main characters. Just an unfortunate schedule.
Recap: The Celtics tell Thomas that they want to do a video tribute. But as the date got near, it became apparent to Thomas that he wouldn't be able to play in that game. So what Isaiah asked for was not unreasonable: "Can we hold off until I’m actually playing in a game?"
By itself, that’s not at all unreasonable. And Danny was being totally reasonable to accommodate it.
It only became a problem because (a) the schedule, which has the next logical day for the tribute being the same day as Pierce’ number ceremony and (b) because Pierce doesn’t want to share the stage.
If the vagaries of the schedule were any different, if Pierce’s number ceremony were, say, 3 days later on the 14th against the Clippers (which would have been nice because Doc Rivers would be there), then there would be no controversy here. Or two days earlier against the Pacers (maybe Larry could be in the house) on the 9th, then again, their would have been no controversy.
But the Pierce ceremony date was scheduled months ago and so was the NBA game schedule and neither is changing. So Thomas has done the right thing and politely begged out of having a video tribute on that night.
No villains here. Just an unfortunate schedule.
And a bunch of fans projecting thoughts and intentions onto strangers in order to support their narratives.
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the Isaiah Thomas trade has clouded some peoples opinions...
Somehow it is selfish for Paul pierce, who won a ring in boston and played for the team for 15 years to want a night all to himself when his number is being retired into the rafters.
Yet, it was not selfish for Isaiah Thomas, a player who played 2 1/2 years in boston to demand that his 3 minute tribute video (something the team doesnt even have to do...and its starting to get ridiculous when we give one to Olynyk...) demands that his tribute be put the same night as pierces because he wants to wait to play until he can show the Celtics they made the wrong decision...
Honest question, do you know the difference between a demand and a request?
That’s the key difference in my mind. IT made a private request. The team could have said no, but they didn’t. Then, Pierce took things public in the national media, later demanding that the Celtics not show IT highlists, and sharing Danny’s private conversations publicly.
Pierce was a great player. That doesn’t make him a flawless paragon of virtue, and it doesn’t make him automatically correct here.
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Some of this trashing of Paul Pierce and looking at IT as the messiah is kinda pathetic. If you can only see Pierce as being selfish, and IT as the “victim”...you’re probably being obtuse at this point. Pierce was being petty (I don’t fully blame him), but he should have never been in the position to even have to speak on “his day”. The Celtics made this into a spectacle and the media ran with it.
Eh, there are several folks on this blog who were lightning quick to cast Isaiah as some sort of villain and Pierce as some sort of 'victim' so that silliness works both ways.
As I said in a front-page comment, people want to make villains out of this but there really are no villains here among the main characters. Just an unfortunate schedule.
Recap: The Celtics tell Thomas that they want to do a video tribute. But as the date got near, it became apparent to Thomas that he wouldn't be able to play in that game. So what Isaiah asked for was not unreasonable: "Can we hold off until I’m actually playing in a game?"
By itself, that’s not at all unreasonable. And Danny was being totally reasonable to accommodate it.
It only became a problem because (a) the schedule, which has the next logical day for the tribute being the same day as Pierce’ number ceremony and (b) because Pierce doesn’t want to share the stage.
If the vagaries of the schedule were any different, if Pierce’s number ceremony were, say, 3 days later on the 14th against the Clippers (which would have been nice because Doc Rivers would be there), then there would be no controversy here. Or two days earlier against the Pacers (maybe Larry could be in the house) on the 9th, then again, their would have been no controversy.
But the Pierce ceremony date was scheduled months ago and so was the NBA game schedule and neither is changing. So Thomas has done the right thing and politely begged out of having a video tribute on that night.
No villains here. Just an unfortunate schedule.
And a bunch of fans projecting thoughts and intentions onto strangers in order to support their narratives.
Personally I find that super unreasonable.
The only reason Danny obliged is guilt, and wanting to smooth things over with IT.
I have literally never heard, in an sport, of a player dictating when his tribute video or moment is.
That is ludicrous.
Why didn't KG do that when he first went back to Minny, even though he wasn't playing, and was far more integral to that franchise than IT to ours?
Because it is foolish.
This doesn't mean I think IT is a villain at all, but what part of that is reasonable?
To prove it is reasonable, please show me one instance of that happening before, ever.
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the Isaiah Thomas trade has clouded some peoples opinions...
Somehow it is selfish for Paul pierce, who won a ring in boston and played for the team for 15 years to want a night all to himself when his number is being retired into the rafters.
Yet, it was not selfish for Isaiah Thomas, a player who played 2 1/2 years in boston to demand that his 3 minute tribute video (something the team doesnt even have to do...and its starting to get ridiculous when we give one to Olynyk...) demands that his tribute be put the same night as pierces because he wants to wait to play until he can show the Celtics they made the wrong decision...
Where on earth did Thomas ever "demand" anything in all of this? You are just making up your own fantasy narrative here.
Thomas has made just two requests in all of this: (1) He politely requested the video not be done on a night when he wasn't playing and (2) he again politely requested the video not be done on a night that was to be dedicated to Pierce.
That's it. Jeeezus. What the heck is the guy supposed to do?
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the Isaiah Thomas trade has clouded some peoples opinions...
Somehow it is selfish for Paul pierce, who won a ring in boston and played for the team for 15 years to want a night all to himself when his number is being retired into the rafters.
Yet, it was not selfish for Isaiah Thomas, a player who played 2 1/2 years in boston to demand that his 3 minute tribute video (something the team doesnt even have to do...and its starting to get ridiculous when we give one to Olynyk...) demands that his tribute be put the same night as pierces because he wants to wait to play until he can show the Celtics they made the wrong decision...
Honest question, do you know the difference between a demand and a request?
That’s the key difference in my mind. IT made a private request. The team could have said no, but they didn’t. Then, Pierce took things public in the national media, later demanding that the Celtics not show IT highlists, and sharing Danny’s private conversations publicly.
Pierce was a great player. That doesn’t make him a flawless paragon of virtue, and it doesn’t make him automatically correct here.
You have taken the position before that IT has only talked about the C's when asked by media, and was just answering a question.
This all started when Pierce was asked about it on The Jump.
He didn't just come out and say it, he was asked.
Why not give Pierce the benefit of the doubt like you gave IT.
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Some of this trashing of Paul Pierce and looking at IT as the messiah is kinda pathetic. If you can only see Pierce as being selfish, and IT as the “victim”...you’re probably being obtuse at this point. Pierce was being petty (I don’t fully blame him), but he should have never been in the position to even have to speak on “his day”. The Celtics made this into a spectacle and the media ran with it.
Show one post claiming IT is the messiah, please.
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Save that weak response for yourself. You know it was a figurative comment, but whatever fanboy away ::) Based on your other comments, you can’t have an objective opinion about IT, so it’s a waste of time.
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the Isaiah Thomas trade has clouded some peoples opinions...
Somehow it is selfish for Paul pierce, who won a ring in boston and played for the team for 15 years to want a night all to himself when his number is being retired into the rafters.
Yet, it was not selfish for Isaiah Thomas, a player who played 2 1/2 years in boston to demand that his 3 minute tribute video (something the team doesnt even have to do...and its starting to get ridiculous when we give one to Olynyk...) demands that his tribute be put the same night as pierces because he wants to wait to play until he can show the Celtics they made the wrong decision...
Honest question, do you know the difference between a demand and a request?
That’s the key difference in my mind. IT made a private request. The team could have said no, but they didn’t. Then, Pierce took things public in the national media, later demanding that the Celtics not show IT highlists, and sharing Danny’s private conversations publicly.
Pierce was a great player. That doesn’t make him a flawless paragon of virtue, and it doesn’t make him automatically correct here.
You have taken the position before that IT has only talked about the C's when asked by media, and was just answering a question.
This all started when Pierce was asked about it on The Jump.
He didn't just come out and say it, he was asked.
Why not give Pierce the benefit of the doubt like you gave IT.
I'd love to see where I said that about IT.
Regardless, Pierce is a member of the media. He's put this story out there, in the media. He shared Danny's private conversation with him, in the media.
Paul is acting like a diva.
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Some of this trashing of Paul Pierce and looking at IT as the messiah is kinda pathetic. If you can only see Pierce as being selfish, and IT as the “victim”...you’re probably being obtuse at this point. Pierce was being petty (I don’t fully blame him), but he should have never been in the position to even have to speak on “his day”. The Celtics made this into a spectacle and the media ran with it.
Eh, there are several folks on this blog who were lightning quick to cast Isaiah as some sort of villain and Pierce as some sort of 'victim' so that silliness works both ways.
As I said in a front-page comment, people want to make villains out of this but there really are no villains here among the main characters. Just an unfortunate schedule.
Recap: The Celtics tell Thomas that they want to do a video tribute. But as the date got near, it became apparent to Thomas that he wouldn't be able to play in that game. So what Isaiah asked for was not unreasonable: "Can we hold off until I’m actually playing in a game?"
By itself, that’s not at all unreasonable. And Danny was being totally reasonable to accommodate it.
It only became a problem because (a) the schedule, which has the next logical day for the tribute being the same day as Pierce’ number ceremony and (b) because Pierce doesn’t want to share the stage.
If the vagaries of the schedule were any different, if Pierce’s number ceremony were, say, 3 days later on the 14th against the Clippers (which would have been nice because Doc Rivers would be there), then there would be no controversy here. Or two days earlier against the Pacers (maybe Larry could be in the house) on the 9th, then again, their would have been no controversy.
But the Pierce ceremony date was scheduled months ago and so was the NBA game schedule and neither is changing. So Thomas has done the right thing and politely begged out of having a video tribute on that night.
No villains here. Just an unfortunate schedule.
And a bunch of fans projecting thoughts and intentions onto strangers in order to support their narratives.
Personally I find throat super unreasonable.
The only reason Dsanny obliged is guilt, and wanting to smooth things over with IT.
I have literally never heard, in an sport, of a player dictating when his tribute video or moment is.
That is ludicrous.
Why didn't KG do that when he first went back to Minny?
Because it is foolish.
This doesn't mean I think IT is a villain at all, but what part of that is reasonable?
To prove it is reasonable, please show me one instance of that happening before, ever.
What the? This take of your makes no sense to me. It doesn't have to have happened before to be reasonable. That's a totally made up threshold on your part. I don't have to go digging through the probably hundreds of cases of former player video tributes that have happened over the decades looking for one to make you happy. Sorry. In real life events get rescheduled out of common courtesy all the time.
As I pointed out very clearly. If the Pierce ceremony had been scheduled for _any_ other date, no one on the planet would have thought that Thomas' request to delay the video presentation as unreasonable at all.
Further, you use the word "dictating". Considering that all the guy did was politely _request_ a change, your wording is pretty heavily skewed with your own biases. Thomas didn't "dictate" anything. He asked politely to defer. And then when he realized the new date was a problem for some folks he again, politely asked to defer.
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the Isaiah Thomas trade has clouded some peoples opinions...
Somehow it is selfish for Paul pierce, who won a ring in boston and played for the team for 15 years to want a night all to himself when his number is being retired into the rafters.
Yet, it was not selfish for Isaiah Thomas, a player who played 2 1/2 years in boston to demand that his 3 minute tribute video (something the team doesnt even have to do...and its starting to get ridiculous when we give one to Olynyk...) demands that his tribute be put the same night as pierces because he wants to wait to play until he can show the Celtics they made the wrong decision...
Honest question, do you know the difference between a demand and a request?
That’s the key difference in my mind. IT made a private request. The team could have said no, but they didn’t. Then, Pierce took things public in the national media, later demanding that the Celtics not show IT highlists, and sharing Danny’s private conversations publicly.
Pierce was a great player. That doesn’t make him a flawless paragon of virtue, and it doesn’t make him automatically correct here.
You have taken the position before that IT has only talked about the C's when asked by media, and was just answering a question.
This all started when Pierce was asked about it on The Jump.
He didn't just come out and say it, he was asked.
Why not give Pierce the benefit of the doubt like you gave IT.
I'd love to see where I said that about IT.
Regardless, Pierce is a member of the media. He's put this story out there, in the media. He shared Danny's private conversation with him, in the media.
Paul is acting like a diva.
Completely disagree.
When have you ever seen a player ask for a video to be moved to a game when they play?
Why didn't KG ask the Wolves to hold out when he wasn't playing?
It is an extremely unreasonable request.
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Ainge said Tuesday night that Thomas intended all along to bow out of the video tribute once he learned of Pierce's reservations. He also said when he and Thomas' agent, Aaron Goodwin, first discussed an alternate date for a Thomas tribute, which was originally scheduled for Jan. 3, neither of them realized the next time the Cavaliers came to town would be the night that Pierce was being honored. ...
"I wanted to make it clear that it was never my intention or Isaiah's intention to take away from the special day for Paul Pierce," Ainge told ESPN. "And no one was ever comparing I.T. to Paul Pierce. We all owe Paul a lot. Everyone in the organization."
Ainge said the team planned to play the Thomas tribute during the pregame introductions.
"It was only going to be during that segment," Ainge explained. "During the rest of the game, it was going to be all Paul Pierce."
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Some of this trashing of Paul Pierce and looking at IT as the messiah is kinda pathetic. If you can only see Pierce as being selfish, and IT as the “victim”...you’re probably being obtuse at this point. Pierce was being petty (I don’t fully blame him), but he should have never been in the position to even have to speak on “his day”. The Celtics made this into a spectacle and the media ran with it.
Eh, there are several folks on this blog who were lightning quick to cast Isaiah as some sort of villain and Pierce as some sort of 'victim' so that silliness works both ways.
As I said in a front-page comment, people want to make villains out of this but there really are no villains here among the main characters. Just an unfortunate schedule.
Recap: The Celtics tell Thomas that they want to do a video tribute. But as the date got near, it became apparent to Thomas that he wouldn't be able to play in that game. So what Isaiah asked for was not unreasonable: "Can we hold off until I’m actually playing in a game?"
By itself, that’s not at all unreasonable. And Danny was being totally reasonable to accommodate it.
It only became a problem because (a) the schedule, which has the next logical day for the tribute being the same day as Pierce’ number ceremony and (b) because Pierce doesn’t want to share the stage.
If the vagaries of the schedule were any different, if Pierce’s number ceremony were, say, 3 days later on the 14th against the Clippers (which would have been nice because Doc Rivers would be there), then there would be no controversy here. Or two days earlier against the Pacers (maybe Larry could be in the house) on the 9th, then again, their would have been no controversy.
But the Pierce ceremony date was scheduled months ago and so was the NBA game schedule and neither is changing. So Thomas has done the right thing and politely begged out of having a video tribute on that night.
No villains here. Just an unfortunate schedule.
And a bunch of fans projecting thoughts and intentions onto strangers in order to support their narratives.
Personally I find throat super unreasonable.
The only reason Dsanny obliged is guilt, and wanting to smooth things over with IT.
I have literally never heard, in an sport, of a player dictating when his tribute video or moment is.
That is ludicrous.
Why didn't KG do that when he first went back to Minny?
Because it is foolish.
This doesn't mean I think IT is a villain at all, but what part of that is reasonable?
To prove it is reasonable, please show me one instance of that happening before, ever.
What the? This take of your makes no sense to me. It doesn't have to have happened before to be reasonable. That's a totally made up threshold on your part. I don't have to go digging through the probably hundreds of cases of former player video tributes that have happened over the decades looking for one to make you happy. Sorry. In real life events get rescheduled out of common courtesy all the time.
As I pointed out very clearly. If the Pierce ceremony had been scheduled for _any_ other date, no one on the planet would have thought that Thomas' request to delay the video presentation as unreasonable at all.
Further, you use the word "dictating". Considering that all the guy did was politely _request_ a change, your wording is pretty heavily skewed with your own biases. Thomas didn't "dictate" anything. He asked politely to defer. And then when he realized the new date was a problem for some folks he again, politely asked to defer.
His response wasn't exactly polite. The use of the word "apparently" in it clearly proves that.
If it was a reasonable thing to do, at least one player would have done it before.
It simply is ludicrous to even ask about it, let alone ask it to be moved.
If a player as monumental to a team as KG was to Minny, didn't need to ask to have his moment take place when he was playing, it is super unreasonable for a far lesser player to ask for it.
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Now, I just want for Pierce to not mention this again..lol. I don’t care if they ask him on the show, he needs to just say that it’s “been handled” and leave it at that. Don’t share what anyone else feels about the situation...just leave it be. With everything going on in the NBA, THIS should be a non-conversation.
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Now, I just want for Pierce to not mention this again..lol. I don’t care if they ask him on the show, he needs to just say that it’s “been handled” and leave it at that. Don’t share what anyone else feels about the situation...just leave it be. With everything going on in the NBA, THIS should be a non-conversation.
Its funny you say this. Pierce just talked about it live 10 minutes at you posted this. They went hard on IT. pierce said he missed his chance. T Mac says he agreed with what rondo said. Then van Gundy said these videos shouldn't even happen unless you're a hall of fame and pierce agreed
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Its funny you say this. Pierce just talked about it live 10 minutes at you posted this. They went hard on IT. pierce said he missed his chance. T Mac says he agreed with what rondo said. Then van Gundy said these videos shouldn't even happen unless you're a hall of fame and pierce agreed
Now Pierce is just beating a dead horse and will be coming off as a jerk, when in actuality he had a right to feel the way that he feels. But he’s in the media and he’s drawing way more attention to the matter. Well I’m officially done with the situation..lol
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the Isaiah Thomas trade has clouded some peoples opinions...
Somehow it is selfish for Paul pierce, who won a ring in boston and played for the team for 15 years to want a night all to himself when his number is being retired into the rafters.
Yet, it was not selfish for Isaiah Thomas, a player who played 2 1/2 years in boston to demand that his 3 minute tribute video (something the team doesnt even have to do...and its starting to get ridiculous when we give one to Olynyk...) demands that his tribute be put the same night as pierces because he wants to wait to play until he can show the Celtics they made the wrong decision...
Exactly my thoughts. TP
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Is it just me, or does Pierce, Rondo and some others have an agenda on IT?
Rondo's comments about Isaiah and not deserving a tribute video kind of came across as rude to me, considering Rondo wasn't even the 3rd best player on the 2008 team and this is the same Isaiah who played just a day after his sister's death. And he did do a ton for this team the past 2.5 years (recruited Horford, Hayward, and got you back Kyrie in the trade). Frankly, he put in a TON of effort every day for the C's in his time here, whereas after the Big 3 was pretty much disbanded, Rondo looked lazy and didn't play with a ton of effort (hence, his trade).
And I'm slightly disappointed with Pierce here. I agree with Jalen when he says, "is a 2-3 minute tribute video during a TV timeout really going to splash water on Pierce's ceremony that night".
THAT SAID, I do think this all could be avoided if Isaiah just let the video play the first time the two teams played @TD Garden. Just schedule for your family to come to Boston in that time range, I mean he knew months in advance that that date would be the first time he returns to TD Garden... but now it's an issue of "does Isaiah even deserve a tribute video" according to Rondo, Tracy McGrady, etc... :(
Idk, to be honest this has just become overblown and is looking ugly for ALL sides involved.
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This is on IT AND the Celtics brass. IT You get your video when we offer it and like it. End of story
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
It seems odd that in a team game, Pierce refuses to allow other Celtics players to be shown on the Jumbotron. Weirder still, he thinks he’s bigger than Danny Ainge and the organization.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a fragile ego and a petty streak.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qBEQ62M2b_4/Upy341iIO1I/AAAAAAAAAeI/ln51U6Bz5Gw/s1600/piercebandage.jpg)
I thought he had outgrown that, but Paul always had a bit of a diva streak.
Never thought I would see this level of disrespect for Paul on there boards.
Saddens me.
How about you talk that trash about that guy who couldn't be happy having his moment the first time he came back?
None of this is on Paul.
Literally all of this would have been avoided by IT not being picky about his video (which is absolutely unprecedented).
I honestly think a lot differently of you seeing this sort of tabloid hot take.
Yea Roy, not sure that's admin behavior I'd expect either
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
It seems odd that in a team game, Pierce refuses to allow other Celtics players to be shown on the Jumbotron. Weirder still, he thinks he’s bigger than Danny Ainge and the organization.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a fragile ego and a petty streak.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qBEQ62M2b_4/Upy341iIO1I/AAAAAAAAAeI/ln51U6Bz5Gw/s1600/piercebandage.jpg)
I thought he had outgrown that, but Paul always had a bit of a diva streak.
Never thought I would see this level of disrespect for Paul on there boards.
Saddens me.
How about you talk that trash about that guy who couldn't be happy having his moment the first time he came back?
None of this is on Paul.
Literally all of this would have been avoided by IT not being picky about his video (which is absolutely unprecedented).
I honestly think a lot differently of you seeing this sort of tabloid hot take.
Yea Roy, not sure that's admin behavior I'd expect either
I’m curious what your standard for “admin behavior” is. We’re not running a popularity contest here.
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Except ... Rondo is 100% wrong about what is being 'celebrated' here. Sure, we don't hang conference titles. We DO however celebrate players who entertained us and are fondly remembered by the fans, even if they didn't win titles. We've done this with dozens of players. This is fact. Jae Crowder just got one. Avery Bradley just got one.
A video tribute to Thomas by the Celtics would not be a celebration of reaching the ECF. It would be a celebration of how well Thomas played while here. Nothing more and nothing less.
I don't have fond memories of IT other than he was a ball hog and self centered
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Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
I mean, I never thought he'd be that sensitive over having some 2-3 minute tribute video for Isaiah that night.
Seemed to me that once Pierce made those comments, that's what made Isaiah sort of cave in with his tweet today.
Obviously it's Pierce's night on Feb. 11, but would a 2-3 minute Isaiah tribute video have really splashed water on Pierce's night, especially if that video was played during a TV timeout or something??
Idk man... this whole thing is confusing.
Yeah. I never imagined that he was so insecure.
I guess IT did the “right thing”, but I can’t believe that it came to this.
It has zero to do with being insecure. He deserves that night SOLELY based on a full body of work and a career long commitment to this team and this organization. It shouldn't have even been up for debate or for IT to do the 'right thing." If it's anyone's fault it got to this its the front office for even considering it on Paul's day. Paul has every right to feel how he feels.
It seems odd that in a team game, Pierce refuses to allow other Celtics players to be shown on the Jumbotron. Weirder still, he thinks he’s bigger than Danny Ainge and the organization.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a fragile ego and a petty streak.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qBEQ62M2b_4/Upy341iIO1I/AAAAAAAAAeI/ln51U6Bz5Gw/s1600/piercebandage.jpg)
I thought he had outgrown that, but Paul always had a bit of a diva streak.
Never thought I would see this level of disrespect for Paul on there boards.
Saddens me.
How about you talk that trash about that guy who couldn't be happy having his moment the first time he came back?
None of this is on Paul.
Literally all of this would have been avoided by IT not being picky about his video (which is absolutely unprecedented).
I honestly think a lot differently of you seeing this sort of tabloid hot take.
Yea Roy, not sure that's admin behavior I'd expect either
I’m curious what your standard for “admin behavior” is. We’re not running a popularity contest here.
How about staying above the fray for starters. Your posts have been a bit antagonistic don't you think?
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Rondo also fired a shot at IT implying that he doesn't deserve the video tribute:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTv0DgIV4AEcZoN.jpg:large)
Except ... Rondo is 100% wrong about what is being 'celebrated' here. Sure, we don't hang conference titles. We DO however celebrate players who entertained us and are fondly remembered by the fans, even if they didn't win titles. We've done this with dozens of players. This is fact. Jae Crowder just got one. Avery Bradley just got one.
A video tribute to Thomas by the Celtics would not be a celebration of reaching the ECF. It would be a celebration of how well Thomas played while here. Nothing more and nothing less.
I don't have fond memories of IT other than he was a ball hog and self centered
(https://media.giphy.com/media/FxEwsOF1D79za/giphy.gif)
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After he quit on the team, skipped games and stopped playing defense he doesn’t have a lot of room to critique others.
IT loved playing here and gave his heart and soul to this team. That’s what we’d be celebrating.
If anybody didn’t deserve a tribute video, it’s Rondo, based upon the way that he dogged it on his way out of town.
We can be butt hurt about Rondo's comment, but don't act like that man didn't help contribute to the success of the Celtics. 2013 wasn't his best year with the Celtics and he had some very immature and head scratching moments, but there's no need to have selective memories of what Rondo did for the Celtics (and the community). At this point we're just being fanboys for our favorite players.
Well said!
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I LOL'd at the Pierce pic with the bandage-thing. Been trying to find that one forever.
I LOL'd even harder at the Rondo lovers (now).
Throw him under the bus, hit the gas, stop, hit reverse, press the gas, stop, then do this about 50 times.
That has been Rajon Rondo on these boards to some people.
"Oh he doesn't play defense! And he SAID he doesn't", LOOOOOOOOL
They say politics make strange bedfellows....basketball can relate.
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Just 1 day ago:
Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Woah. That's not as trivial as it sounds. It was a mid-week game and most of his family is on the opposite coast. It's a pretty big deal for most 'normal' folks to fly all the way from Seattle to Boston since it's a long day of travel on each side. All Thomas was trying to do was not impose that travel burden on his family members if all it was for was to watch a short video and then see IT sit on the bench the whole game.
But apparently trying to be accommodating to his family turned Thomas into an evil, Truth-hating selfish troll in the minds of some righteously indignant types.
The IT hate is non-negotiable, classic cognitive dissonance. IT is no longer a Celtic, therefore he has to be overrated, a villain, etc.
Disagree. I haven't read much IT hate. I'm not sure what you mean by "hate", but I haven't seen anything written that resembles my understanding of the word.
I think most people here loved IT, but are happy that Kyrie is here now.
Ironically, you've done a great job of exemplifying the hate I referred to:
It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
Someone that comes of as grateful, instead of someone acting like a little b*tch. IT has had multiple quotes since he has left which make me scratch my head. Is he trying to get back at an ex-gf, or is he trying to win a championship and get a big contract? I really can't tell what his motives are by his words.
Pierce has the luxury to be petty. 1) He doesn't need another contract. 2) He's one of the best Celtics ever. 3) He won a championship.
I think there should be one criterion: the player should be accepting of a tribute. If not, move on. IT didn't control his departure so he wanted control of this. Like a jilted lover. I can smell his insecurity from over a thousand miles away. It's not a good smell.
It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
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IT's request was unreasonable. Pierce's lack of flexibility is annoying. Danny's lack of decisiveness made an easy decision awkward.
Main takeaway: this entire thing is dumb and we must not have had enough work today.
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Just 1 day ago:
Am I the only one who is actually disappointed a little in Pierce with all this too?
Why? It's his night. I think its weird that 1.) A player gets to dictate when a tribute video is shown 2.) A player who's meant as much to this team as Pierce has to share his retirement night with a player who hasn't had a fraction of the franchise success he's had.
Honestly, IT should've just let them play the video a few weeks ago. The whole thing of wanting to have his family there for it was a bit much - it's a 2-3 minute tribute video, not a jersey retirement.
Yeah I can agree with the bolded part. It did seem like too much. Just fly your family in, IT.
Woah. That's not as trivial as it sounds. It was a mid-week game and most of his family is on the opposite coast. It's a pretty big deal for most 'normal' folks to fly all the way from Seattle to Boston since it's a long day of travel on each side. All Thomas was trying to do was not impose that travel burden on his family members if all it was for was to watch a short video and then see IT sit on the bench the whole game.
But apparently trying to be accommodating to his family turned Thomas into an evil, Truth-hating selfish troll in the minds of some righteously indignant types.
The IT hate is non-negotiable, classic cognitive dissonance. IT is no longer a Celtic, therefore he has to be overrated, a villain, etc.
Disagree. I haven't read much IT hate. I'm not sure what you mean by "hate", but I haven't seen anything written that resembles my understanding of the word.
I think most people here loved IT, but are happy that Kyrie is here now.
Ironically, you've done a great job of exemplifying the hate I referred to:
It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
Someone that comes of as grateful, instead of someone acting like a little b*tch. IT has had multiple quotes since he has left which make me scratch my head. Is he trying to get back at an ex-gf, or is he trying to win a championship and get a big contract? I really can't tell what his motives are by his words.
Pierce has the luxury to be petty. 1) He doesn't need another contract. 2) He's one of the best Celtics ever. 3) He won a championship.
I think there should be one criterion: the player should be accepting of a tribute. If not, move on. IT didn't control his departure so he wanted control of this. Like a jilted lover. I can smell his insecurity from over a thousand miles away. It's not a good smell.
It was 2.5 seasons though. He doesn't deserve a video tribute. Neither did Crowder, Bradley, or Olynyk. This video tribute nonsense has reached comical levels.
What do you think the minimum threshold should be to earn a video tribute?
I don't think there is a minimum per se. For example, if KG came here won a title in year 1, got hurt in year 2, and never played again for the C's, I would think a video would have made sense in that situation. Thomas played 2.5 seasons and was 2-3 in playoff series, wasn't a MVP, etc. He had some nice seasons and the ECF appearance last year was nice, but I just don't see his tenure as something that should be honored in any real way. Crowder, Bradley, and Olynyk were all here longer than IT, but they are all much worse players and aren't worthy of a special honor because they just weren't good enough.
When you honor everyone, you honor no one. Video tributes should be an honor, you shouldn't just hand them out like candy on Halloween.
I agree.
I would convey this message somehow to IT if I were Danny.
Dear IT, I'm sorry that I traded you and hurt your feelings. You put it out there on the line and you feel like you weren't compensated by the Celtics like you wanted to be. At some point (I know its hard) you are going to have to realize that there are better players than you. Lebron (the big guy on your team) is better than you. Anthony Davis is better than you. Kyrie Irving is better than you. I acquired you by trading Marcus Thornton and a pick that became Skal Labissiere. I traded you and pieces for Kyrie frickin Irving. This clearly hurt your feelings, as it would many of us. What you fail to see is that I made a huge profit on these two trades. That is my job.
It's not about you. It's about team. It's about championships. That is what we celebrate here in Boston. I hope that you understand this sooner than later. I want the rest of your career to go well, and I hope you sign with a winner. Thank you for your time here. Last year's playoff run was fun to watch. We appreciate you and would love to celebrate you with a video at another time (maybe this year in the playoffs- how cool would that be). That is going to have to work for you. You can ask me again to show/not show a quick video, but I really don't care. You were part of our past, and we'd like to remember you fondly. Let's move on to the next chapter with mutual respect and composure. IT the player deserves to be remembered like this.
-Danny (aka the best GM in the league)
Nah. Saying someone is acting like a little b*tch and hating them are two different things. I tell my friends this all the time, esp when they're acting like one. Calling someone out and hating them are different things.
I loved IT as a Celtic. I loved Rondo too. I'm not certain I feel the same way about either anymore, but I still hold them both in high regard.
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IT's request was unreasonable. Pierce's lack of flexibility is annoying. Danny's lack of decisiveness made an easy decision awkward.
Main takeaway: this entire thing is dumb and we must not have had enough work today.
I agree. My intent was not to maliciously call you out, but just reiterate that he has been a polarizing figure in Boston, esp since the trade. Even as a huge fan of his, I thought the request was borderline poor form, and it's hard not to question his intentions with all his other post-trade comments. And i find the comments of Pierce and now others to be over the top. But whatever. As fwf said earlier (here or elsewhere), we're in good shape as fans if this is the stuff we have to bicker about.
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Does Pierce realize that most of those great players whose numbers hang in the Garden rafters were retired with a fairly simple halftime ceremony? This whole thing is getting embarrassing. Trading Thomas, though maybe necessary, was ill-timed and a bad look for the franchise.
I love Larry Bird and consider him to be on of the five Mt. Rushmore Celtics - but his retirement ceremony was way over the top and has set a bad precedent. I was a little surprised that Bird went along with all that in the first place.
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Does Pierce realize that most of those great players whose numbers hang in the Garden rafters were retired with a fairly simple halftime ceremony? This whole thing is getting embarrassing. Trading Thomas, though maybe necessary, was ill-timed and a bad look for the franchise.
I love Larry Bird and consider him to be on of the five Mt. Rushmore Celtics - but his retirement ceremony was way over the top and has set a bad precedent. I was a little surprised that Bird went along with all that in the first place.
Agree all around. Bird's was ridiculous, but I've also enjoyed the tributes of the 2008 guys. And while I appreciate IT, the sustained camaraderie & pride of that team is pretty special imo, no matter how they use it in the press.
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This thread was an intense read
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Seems like the drama won't stop, as Isaiah is adding fuel to the fire. After Jalen Rose called Pierce 'petty' for not allowing the Celtics to play a three minute video of Isaiah during his tribute night (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ)), Isaiah liked an Instagram post of Rose's comment toward Pierce:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTykfu1V4AAaNzV.jpg:large)
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Seems like the drama won't stop, as Isaiah is adding fuel to the fire. After Jalen Rose called Pierce 'petty' for not allowing the Celtics to play a three minute video of Isaiah during his tribute night (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ)), Isaiah liked an Instagram post of Rose's comment toward Pierce:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTykfu1V4AAaNzV.jpg:large)
That should be enough for us to simply stop caring about this guy. He is not adding fuel to a problem with Pierce, he is throwing Danny AND THE CELTICS under the bus. That´s all very negative marketing from a player from a rival team.
I have lost all appreciation I had for IT at this point.
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Seems like the drama won't stop, as Isaiah is adding fuel to the fire. After Jalen Rose called Pierce 'petty' for not allowing the Celtics to play a three minute video of Isaiah during his tribute night (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ)), Isaiah liked an Instagram post of Rose's comment toward Pierce:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTykfu1V4AAaNzV.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/NBCSBoston/status/953851263803887616
It continues
This drama never ends.
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Meh. This is Pierce's night, he has EARNED the right to it without distractions. Want to call him petty? Go right ahead.
I wouldn't want to see a highlight reel of my 3rd cousin who I barely interact with on my wedding night either.
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Seems like the drama won't stop, as Isaiah is adding fuel to the fire. After Jalen Rose called Pierce 'petty' for not allowing the Celtics to play a three minute video of Isaiah during his tribute night (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZmELyVWxQ)), Isaiah liked an Instagram post of Rose's comment toward Pierce:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTykfu1V4AAaNzV.jpg:large)
That should be enough for us to simply stop caring about this guy. He is not adding fuel to a problem with Pierce, he is throwing Danny AND THE CELTICS under the bus. That´s all very negative marketing from a player from a rival team.
I have lost all appreciation I had for IT at this point.
I think this is very much an IT vs. Pierce thing at the moment. The rest of it has been resolved. The two guys are keeping it going, and Pierce (not IT) dragged Danny into it.
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He also requested not to play
"Don't Want No Short People "
;)
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The Celtics just totally mismanaged this whole thing putting Pierce in a bad spot.
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Why do I have this funny feeling that Bron encouraged IT to create this drama. Bron doesn't want to be there and see all the praise and glory given to Pierce. So instead he gets in ITs ear and reminds him how the Celtics treated him.
Bottom line is IT had his chance Jan 3rd and passed on it. His jersey isn't getting retired and he was only with the Celtics for 2.5 years.
...it's time to move on.
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The Celtics just totally mismanaged this whole thing putting Pierce in a bad spot.
Yes.
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To recap:
Pierce said he didn't want a tribute to another player during his jersey retirement night and when IT realized what night that was, he agreed. That's it.
Every bit of drama attached to this story is invented by bored talking heads and oversensitive bloggers. I don't understand this need to deride and name-call every public figure who expresses a feeling.
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This not only Pierce's night but its his DAY. He has been here forever and deserves not to share his day.
IT had his chance and cause HE decided he didnt want to do it on the 1st night back in Boston is his fault.
He could have bought plane tickets for his family to be there or the Celtics could have used the private plane and had them flown in.
I like IT but he is NOT an ALL TIME Celtic.
Thanks for the 2 years you gave us and you are welcome for the opportunity to start and become a Super Star ( no other team did that for him).
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This not only Pierce's night but its his DAY. He has been here forever and deserves not to share his day.
IT had his chance and cause HE decided he didnt want to do it on the 1st night back in Boston is his fault.
He could have bought plane tickets for his family to be there or the Celtics could have used the private plane and had them flown in.
I like IT but he is NOT an ALL TIME Celtic.
Thanks for the 2 years you gave us and you are welcome for the opportunity to start and become a Super Star ( no other team did that for him).
Isn’t Pierce already sharing his day with a game and all that comes with that? That was one of Jalen Rose’s points.
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This not only Pierce's night but its his DAY. He has been here forever and deserves not to share his day.
IT had his chance and cause HE decided he didnt want to do it on the 1st night back in Boston is his fault.
He could have bought plane tickets for his family to be there or the Celtics could have used the private plane and had them flown in.
I like IT but he is NOT an ALL TIME Celtic.
Thanks for the 2 years you gave us and you are welcome for the opportunity to start and become a Super Star ( no other team did that for him).
Isn’t Pierce already sharing his day with a game and all that comes with that? That was one of Jalen Rose’s points.
Exactly. Are they not going to honor a "Hero Among Us" during this game? Wouldn't that take away from Pierce's night too? I'm a petty person myself, so I don't hate Paul for this, but it's super petty.
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This not only Pierce's night but its his DAY. He has been here forever and deserves not to share his day.
IT had his chance and cause HE decided he didnt want to do it on the 1st night back in Boston is his fault.
He could have bought plane tickets for his family to be there or the Celtics could have used the private plane and had them flown in.
I like IT but he is NOT an ALL TIME Celtic.
Thanks for the 2 years you gave us and you are welcome for the opportunity to start and become a Super Star ( no other team did that for him).
It is funny how Danny Ainge has been looked at unfavorably for trading IT, when he was the one that gave him the opportunity to shine. Most other teams would not have started IT b/c of his defensive deficiencies a couple of years ago.
I will not be shocked if IT's time in Boston was the highlight of his career.
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Pierce shouldn't have talked about his phone call with Danny Ainge. For example he said: "Danny tried to sell me on it, but I told him, 'He had a shot, Danny, and he punked you on it.'". How did he expect IT to respond to that? At this point, no one is looking good.
Even though it's "Paul Pierce's night", there's still a game to be played that he won't be playing in.
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KG gave his opinion on area 21:
https://twitter.com/KGArea21/status/954155257302429696?s=17
Bill Russell is on Pierces side 100% https://twitter.com/RealBillRussell/status/954221430563942406
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The two should just get into the boxing ring at this point.
Truth may have the reach but IT has that speed and low center of gravity.
I think IT can take him. David vs Goliath.
Let Danny Ainge and Belichik referee. Let Brady and Big Pappy commentate.
Let Don King and Lavar Ball promote it.
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The GOAT has spoken.
Nothing more should be said.