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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Tr1boy on January 15, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
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-Considering losing to the Warriors again/chasing the Warriors
-Uncertainty that Lebron will be back next season
-May not be able to beat the Celtics in the playoffs
yes or no to use the pick to make an immediate upgrade?
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I dunno, it's a tough situation to be in. Part of me says, if this is your last season with LBJ you go all in because who knows if you will ever get back to this point again. Part of me says look out for your future. Thing is, if you don't go all in and that BKN doesn't get you someone good and LBJ leaves, then it was a mistake not to go all in.
Glad I'm not a GM, these guys have some crazy decisions to make every season. Look at the backlash DA had to endure (he's not even the sole decision maker but he got all the hate).
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Definitely not, if the FO has any confidence in their ability to rebuild the team. This is their last shot at a championship -- whether LBJ leaves (likely) or not -- and they ain't beating GSW this year unless lightning strikes.
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Cleveland's best path forward is to keep Lebron James. He's the best basketball player in the world and his departure will crush that team. If they lose LBJ and IT, CLE will be bad enough to get their own draft pick similar to the BKN pick. They should not prioritize picks right now. They should prioritize Lebron.
I'd ask him what player he wants to play with, and trade whatever to get that guy. The problem is the top 15 players most likely aren't on the move. They don't have the capital to get Anthony Davis. I don't see OKC sabotaging a playoff run by trading PG13.
Going down the list of top players, I think Rudy Gobert, Demarcus Cousins, Deandre Jordan, and Hassan Whiteside might be their best chances to improve, though I'm not certain the Nets pick acquires all of these guys.
Lebron coming back to CLE was a good story. I think his best path forward from a PR perspective (you know he cares about this) would be to stay while CLE improves quickly. This means experienced talent, not 19 year old draft picks.
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yes or no to use the pick to make an immediate upgrade?
Nope. I keep the pick and blow the current team up over the summer and start fresh by embracing the youth movement for the future.
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Cleveland's best path forward is to keep Lebron James. He's the best basketball player in the world and his departure will crush that team. If they lose LBJ and IT, CLE will be bad enough to get their own draft pick similar to the BKN pick. They should not prioritize picks right now. They should prioritize Lebron.
I'd ask him what player he wants to play with, and trade whatever to get that guy. The problem is the top 15 players most likely aren't on the move. They don't have the capital to get Anthony Davis. I don't see OKC sabotaging a playoff run by trading PG13.
Going down the list of top players, I think Rudy Gobert, Demarcus Cousins, Deandre Jordan, and Hassan Whiteside might be their best chances to improve, though I'm not certain the Nets pick acquires all of these guys.
Lebron coming back to CLE was a good story. I think his best path forward from a PR perspective (you know he cares about this) would be to stay while CLE improves quickly. This means experienced talent, not 19 year old draft picks.
You make a good point but I think that money will also factor into the decision for Dan Gilbert. He's been paying a small fortune in taxes for a team that's not even that good this year.
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The Brooklyn picks aint what they used to be.
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Definitely not, if the FO has any confidence in their ability to rebuild the team. This is their last shot at a championship -- whether LBJ leaves (likely) or not -- and they ain't beating GSW this year unless lightning strikes.
For sure, that makes sense. Lol @ "lightning strikes." TP, tar.
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1-5 .....No way .......hit the road Bron
5-10 .....I want some committment .....maybe I buy you help ....sissy .....maybe not ....tuff call
11-15 .....might as well trade and see what you can do to keep him another year ......he is not signing but one year deals anyway . No way Bron locks him self in Cleveland ....with all that TV and promotional slaes, movies , etc waiting for him to cash in on. If Cavs have like 12 pick they should make effort ......they might not have another player on their team this good for 50-100 years.
Bron is pretty much uncoachable . Only Lakers will fire staff at a Lebron whim.......Yes men only thank you .
I kinda want Lebron to to go LA .....what a circus ......Lavar / Lebron show ..
pool of fools
One more year of Bron is not worth a top 5 pick . NO way . ....he is leaving anyway ....why throw it away.
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Definitely not, if the FO has any confidence in their ability to rebuild the team. This is their last shot at a championship -- whether LBJ leaves (likely) or not -- and they ain't beating GSW this year unless lightning strikes.
For sure, that makes sense. Lol @ "lightning strikes." TP, tar.
Did you just quote and praise yourself? I think you forgot to logout first.
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Definitely not, if the FO has any confidence in their ability to rebuild the team. This is their last shot at a championship -- whether LBJ leaves (likely) or not -- and they ain't beating GSW this year unless lightning strikes.
For sure, that makes sense. Lol @ "lightning strikes." TP, tar.
Did you just quote and praised yourself? I think you forgot to logout first.
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Definitely not, if the FO has any confidence in their ability to rebuild the team. This is their last shot at a championship -- whether LBJ leaves (likely) or not -- and they ain't beating GSW this year unless lightning strikes.
For sure, that makes sense. Lol @ "lightning strikes." TP, tar.
Did you just quote and praised yourself? I think you forgot to logout first.
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Lol tar what is the deal with that
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Definitely not, if the FO has any confidence in their ability to rebuild the team. This is their last shot at a championship -- whether LBJ leaves (likely) or not -- and they ain't beating GSW this year unless lightning strikes.
For sure, that makes sense. Lol @ "lightning strikes." TP, tar.
Did you just quote and praised yourself? I think you forgot to logout first.
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Lol tar what is the deal with that
Have you ever talked to a mirror in order to psych yourself up for a big day? It definitely works.
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If it fetches Cleveland a really good star I'd do it. Can't be a DaJ/Gobert type of "star", it has to be something like DMC/PG type of star that can be a number 2 option behind LeBron and spearhead an offense along with IT and Love. I think IT/Jae/Bron/Love/DMC or IT/PG/Jae/Bron/Love as a starting 5 can definitely have a shot at winning it all if it clicks, and as Cleveland I's absolutely risk it.
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Definitely not, if the FO has any confidence in their ability to rebuild the team. This is their last shot at a championship -- whether LBJ leaves (likely) or not -- and they ain't beating GSW this year unless lightning strikes.
For sure, that makes sense. Lol @ "lightning strikes." TP, tar.
Did you just quote and praised yourself? I think you forgot to logout first.
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Lol tar what is the deal with that
Have you ever talked to a mirror in order to psych yourself up for a big day? It definitely works.
haha TP for being honest!
cheers
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I think if I am the Cavs GM I see if that pick will help me get anyone significant. If it does, I use the pick and try to eek one more title run out of this crew. There hasn't been a final word as to what Lebron James is going to do. He is the best player in the world, you do whatever you can to try and keep him, including dealing that Nets pick for more help this year.
As green_bballers13 said, if Lebron leaves Clev will be getting their own high picks in the years to come to rebuild. Worry about that after Lebron leaves. Do everything you can to keep him while he is there.
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The only player I think would give them a chance to win a title that may become available is cousins. Nobody else closes the gap.
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The only player I think would give them a chance to win a title that may become available is cousins. Nobody else closes the gap.
Pretty much agree with this, guys like PG simply aren't available.
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I would if it games the Cavs the fire power needed to legitimately match up with the warriors. The problem is (and another feather in DA's cap) is the fact that wings are at a premium in the league and that's the position the Cavs really need help at to match-up. With no real available wing target that warrants the Nets pick (even if its 10-14) I would actually try for the following.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9cx8x55
To Cavs Bazemore and Dedmon
To ATL Smith, Shumpert, Zizic, and Cavs 2018 1st
Cavs, this trade makes sense with or without Lebron next season. If Lebron leaves the Cavs will have IT (assuming resigns), Bazemore, Crowder, Love and Thompson along with the Nets lottery pick. This is a roster that can still be relevant in the east for the next 2-3 years. While over paid Bazmore will provide this team with an upgrade and most importantly better defender at the 2-3. Dedmon while likely only a 1 year rental is having a great year and has added the 3pt shot to his game and is likely a better fit then a big name center like D Jordan.
ATL, They move Bazemore's contract off their books and replace him with a 3 mill cheaper all be it inferior and older player in Smith. I would suspect Smith would be a buyout candidate in this trade scenario. Shumpert when healthy may fit into Bazemore role and provide a cheaper short contract wing option. The real value in this trade is the acquisition of Zizic and the pick (currently 24th).
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Just getting rid of JR Smith would help the team regardless of who came back. Smith is like cancer.
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Just getting rid of JR Smith would help the team regardless of who came back. Smith is like cancer.
Getting rid of Thompson would help a lot too.
I would trade the pick. Maybe to Orlando? They have a couple of good players and want to rebuild. How about a big trade that gives new life to the team?
To Cleveland: Fournier, Biyombo, Mack, Simmons, Speights
To Orlando: Thompson, Smith, Shumpert, Osman, Zizic, Brooklyn Pick
Cleveland would get a reliable 3-point-shooting SG (Fournier), an athletic forward with good defense (Simmons), rim protector as back-up center (Biyombo), veteran back-up PG (Mack) and a stretch big (Speigths). They will be incredibly deep and so many options to throw at teams. Fournier and Simmons are also valuable for the long term.
Orlando has to eat some bad contracts, but in 2,5 years that will open a lot of cap space at once for free agency in 2020. They get worse which is good for their pick. Obviously the price is the Nets pick, but they also get some minor pieces with Zizic and Osman. They could also have traded Vucevic here, but I thought that would be too much.
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No, I would save it to rebuild once LeBron leaves.
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Just getting rid of JR Smith would help the team regardless of who came back. Smith is like cancer.
Getting rid of Thompson would help a lot too.
I would trade the pick. Maybe to Orlando? They have a couple of good players and want to rebuild. How about a big trade that gives new life to the team?
To Cleveland: Fournier, Biyombo, Mack, Simmons, Speights
To Orlando: Thompson, Smith, Shumpert, Osman, Zizic, Brooklyn Pick
Cleveland would get a reliable 3-point-shooting SG (Fournier), an athletic forward with good defense (Simmons), rim protector as back-up center (Biyombo), veteran back-up PG (Mack) and a stretch big (Speigths). They will be incredibly deep and so many options to throw at teams. Fournier and Simmons are also valuable for the long term.
Orlando has to eat some bad contracts, but in 2,5 years that will open a lot of cap space at once for free agency in 2020. They get worse which is good for their pick. Obviously the price is the Nets pick, but they also get some minor pieces with Zizic and Osman. They could also have traded Vucevic here, but I thought that would be too much.
Orlando is also the team I would be eyeing with that pick. Orlando has some young assets that this old Cleveland team needs but Orlando is also bad without a path forward. If they think this core isn't going to develop into a contender (spoiler alert: it won't) maybe they're open to letting some of those pieces go.
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Yes, but only if the player traded for can easily be flipped again for a lottery pick. The pick will most likely be in the 6 to 10 range so it’s not likely you are getting a franchise altering talent. Plus you don’t get many chances to win it all.
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I would do it if I were them. The whole point of playing in the NBA is to compete for a championship and the Cavs are pretty close (should be closer). The player they draft with that pick may one day help them get back to the NBA Finals; being able to trade that pick for a 'guaranteed' chance at a ring is a risk you have to take. As others have said, they will soon be bad enough to acquire their own high draft picks.
But, also, I really don't care or feel bad for them. They already had this powerhouse roster and then added Jeff Green, Dwyane Wade, and Derrick Rose on vet minimum contracts - what other team (besides GSW) has the luxury of driving up their pay roll beyond belief and is still able to add very quality players for next-to-nothing? Lebron complains about not having enough help, but he already has every advantage in the world given to him. I hate what Durant did to the league in joining GSW, but it is wonderful knowing that Lebron will likely go without another championship for the rest of his career (unless he joins GSW).
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If there was someone available that could help the team and was worth that price, yes.
I still think Lebron stays in Cleveland. I don' think he wants to end his career dealing with the LA Ball issue (not to mention the weak state of the team)
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As with all trades, it depends on the return.
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If I was CLE, I would trade the pick and Thompson to NOP for Cousins and then make one last run with LeBron. If LeBron leaves (and likely IT and Wade), that one pick isn't going to mean squat in trying to rebuild. This is likely their last hurrah so might as well go all in.
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If I was CLE, I would trade the pick and Thompson to NOP for Cousins and then make one last run with LeBron. If LeBron leaves (and likely IT and Wade), that one pick isn't going to mean squat in trying to rebuild. This is likely their last hurrah so might as well go all in.
But does NOP do it? They are on the verge of being in the playoffs at last. Why take a step back at this point?
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I'd personally try trading Lebron, but that won't happen.
Which leaves the challenge doing all you can this year with a hope of extending the window with Lebron as long as possible. The Brooklyn pick is not enough of a sure thing to count as "help" for Lebron to win in comparison to trading for more immediately ready help.
A few ideas:
To LAC: Frye, Shumpert, JR Smith, BKN 18, (and other picks?)
To CLE: Deandre Jordan, Lou Williams
Why? Deandre fills a need and has 2 years left, possibly enticing James to resign for 1 year and run it back when they lose to GSW
To MEM: Frye, JR Smith, BKN 18, (and other picks?)
To CLE: Gasol
Why? Gasol is rumored to want out and Memphis ain't going anywhere. Gasol would be a bit duplicative of Love but versatile enough to be C to Love's stretch-4.
To LAL: Shumpert, JR Smith, BKN 18
To CLE: B Lopez
Why? Lopez is on the outs in LAL and they are hoping to continue rebuilding with picks (and probably planning to lose their own pick this year). I don't think Lopez is worth the BK18 and I don't think LAL would want Shumpert and Smith contracts, but they'd get the BKN pick which some dumb GMs are still high on.
And my personal favorite from a narrative sense
To MEM: JR Smith, Frye, Tony Parker, BKN 18
To SAS: Shumpert, Chandler Parsons, Tyreke Evans, CLE 18
To CLE: The Gasol Brothers
Why? No way Tony gets traded, but Memphis would get 2 expirings and the BKN18 (while needing to absorb Smith's contract, SAS gets an extra pick and a challenge to see if Pop can resurrect Parsons and make functional consistent use of Tyreke, and Cleveland gets the Gasol brothers. LOL.
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I'd probably just keep the pick. Worst case, you have some insurance if Lebron skips town again.
Also, how many realistic trade packages out there including the BKN pick will actually get them over the top against GSW?
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I'd probably just keep the pick. Worst case, you have some insurance if Lebron skips town again.
Also, how many realistic trade packages out there including the BKN pick will actually get them over the top against GSW?
I think it depends on who actually becomes available and how far you think they are away from GS. They were up 7 at the half yesterday after all against a full squad GS. If you think that is indicative of how close they are, then the right couple of trades, could get them over the top. If you think they are a lot further than that away, then yeah there probably isn't a trade out there that gets them over the top except perhaps Cousins or George (if either became available).
What I think is more realistic is them swapping out some role players for different types of role players. They have too many similar offensive oriented players and not enough gritty defensive types. If they can figure out a way to change some of those players out, I think that gives them a much better shot this year and allows them to keep the BKN pick.
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Sad to say for them but really they have to ask Lebron. If he says use it, I'm staying and I want to better the team now or I'm gone than there's your answer.
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I think the Cavs will do what they always do - kiss LeBUM's butt and trade the pick at the trade deadline to try to go for it this year and pray LeBUM stays.
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I think if you can trade that pick for a guy under contract and fits the need of an upgrade like Gasol then you make a deal. Even if LeBron leaves IT, Love and Gasol would be a legit core to a playoff team for 3 to 5 years. That beats rebuilding.
I would not however gamble on a guy staying knowing LeBron may walk as well. That's too much to lose.
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If Blake Griffin is really available I might do something like this if I'm the Cavs GM
Griffin, Gallinari, W. Johnson
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Love, Smith, Shumpert, Frye, BKN 1st
I think that cleans up the Cavs roster a bit and makes them better. Plus, with Griffin signed long term it provides great value for the BKN pick such that trading it isn't as damaging.
LA gets to re-set a bit, but Love provides them a good starting point, plus they pick up the BKN pick, and shave a lot of money off the books both this year (getting them away from the tax) and long term.
Post-Trade the Cavs are (with an open roster spot)
PG - Thomas, Calderon, Rose
SG - Johnson, Wade
SF - James, Korver, Green, Osman
PF - Griffin, Crowder, Gallinari
C - Thompson, Zizic
Gives the Cavs a more dynamic power forward, provides a better defender on the wing, and upgrades the bench shooting. They still have all sorts of roster/lineup options as well. Cavs with that team should come out of the East, and while GS would be favored, I think that team gets the Cavs within striking distance.
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If Blake Griffin is really available I might do something like this if I'm the Cavs GM
Griffin, Gallinari, W. Johnson
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Love, Smith, Shumpert, Frye, BKN 1st
I think that cleans up the Cavs roster a bit and makes them better. Plus, with Griffin signed long term it provides great value for the BKN pick such that trading it isn't as damaging.
LA gets to re-set a bit, but Love provides them a good starting point, plus they pick up the BKN pick, and shave a lot of money off the books both this year (getting them away from the tax) and long term.
Post-Trade the Cavs are (with an open roster spot)
PG - Thomas, Calderon, Rose
SG - Johnson, Wade
SF - James, Korver, Green, Osman
PF - Griffin, Crowder, Gallinari
C - Thompson, Zizic
Gives the Cavs a more dynamic power forward, provides a better defender on the wing, and upgrades the bench shooting. They still have all sorts of roster/lineup options as well. Cavs with that team should come out of the East, and while GS would be favored, I think that team gets the Cavs within striking distance.
The clippers have won 12 out of 15 to climb to the 7 seed. Tough to think they want to blow that up after waiting all season for their guys to get healthy.
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If Blake Griffin is really available I might do something like this if I'm the Cavs GM
Griffin, Gallinari, W. Johnson
for
Love, Smith, Shumpert, Frye, BKN 1st
I think that cleans up the Cavs roster a bit and makes them better. Plus, with Griffin signed long term it provides great value for the BKN pick such that trading it isn't as damaging.
LA gets to re-set a bit, but Love provides them a good starting point, plus they pick up the BKN pick, and shave a lot of money off the books both this year (getting them away from the tax) and long term.
Post-Trade the Cavs are (with an open roster spot)
PG - Thomas, Calderon, Rose
SG - Johnson, Wade
SF - James, Korver, Green, Osman
PF - Griffin, Crowder, Gallinari
C - Thompson, Zizic
Gives the Cavs a more dynamic power forward, provides a better defender on the wing, and upgrades the bench shooting. They still have all sorts of roster/lineup options as well. Cavs with that team should come out of the East, and while GS would be favored, I think that team gets the Cavs within striking distance.
The clippers have won 12 out of 15 to climb to the 7 seed. Tough to think they want to blow that up after waiting all season for their guys to get healthy.
Fair point, though I'm not sure how much of a setback it actually is, considering Love is both a very good player and generally more healthy than Griffin. Smith, Frye, and Shumpert aren't as collectively good as Gallinari and Johnson (though Gallo has been pretty bad on the whole this year), but they are still generally quality NBA players so I don't think this would necessarily mean the Clippers are giving up on the season or giving up on making the playoffs.
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If Blake Griffin is really available I might do something like this if I'm the Cavs GM
Griffin, Gallinari, W. Johnson
for
Love, Smith, Shumpert, Frye, BKN 1st
I think that cleans up the Cavs roster a bit and makes them better. Plus, with Griffin signed long term it provides great value for the BKN pick such that trading it isn't as damaging.
LA gets to re-set a bit, but Love provides them a good starting point, plus they pick up the BKN pick, and shave a lot of money off the books both this year (getting them away from the tax) and long term.
Post-Trade the Cavs are (with an open roster spot)
PG - Thomas, Calderon, Rose
SG - Johnson, Wade
SF - James, Korver, Green, Osman
PF - Griffin, Crowder, Gallinari
C - Thompson, Zizic
Gives the Cavs a more dynamic power forward, provides a better defender on the wing, and upgrades the bench shooting. They still have all sorts of roster/lineup options as well. Cavs with that team should come out of the East, and while GS would be favored, I think that team gets the Cavs within striking distance.
The clippers have won 12 out of 15 to climb to the 7 seed. Tough to think they want to blow that up after waiting all season for their guys to get healthy.
Fair point, though I'm not sure how much of a setback it actually is, considering Love is both a very good player and generally more healthy than Griffin. Smith, Frye, and Shumpert aren't as collectively good as Gallinari and Johnson (though Gallo has been pretty bad on the whole this year), but they are still generally quality NBA players so I don't think this would necessarily mean the Clippers are giving up on the season or giving up on making the playoffs.
I don't think that Love is the same caliber of player as Blake for two reasons. 1) Blake is definitely a stronger defender 2) Blake is a lot better at getting his own shot and more versatile defensively.
Also, for the same reason it was really unlikely we would trade Horford last year or Blake this year, teams really don't ever trade guys immediately after they sign a 5 year contract extension. (To say nothing of the fact that they just also did a sign and trade for gallo this past off-season) It is bad for business. The fact that they offered him a 5 year 173 million dollar contract this past off-season is pretty indicative of the direction they want to go as a franchise. The fact that they are now talking about resigning Williams for two years adds further credence to that. If anything, Doc Rivers may want to be a buyer to see just how far this team goes with Milo, Jordan, Williams, Blake, Rivers and team all healthy. When everyone has been healthy they have actually been quite good.
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That pick is not going to give them anything that enables them to beat Boston or GS. They must keep the pick to rebuild when LJ leaves
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That pick is not going to give them anything that enables them to beat Boston or GS. They must keep the pick to rebuild when LJ leaves
That is a very strong take. I don't think Boston is (that much) better yet.
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The Cavalier organization is better served trading some of their players now and building for the future. Would LeBron be willing to talk to the GM about his future? If he wants to stay, then make some tweaks to the roster. If he wants to explore the open market, is he open to being traded to a contender this season? As a token for his honesty about wanting to leave, then the team can take the hit for moving on from LeBron (instead of LeBron looking bad twice).
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That pick is not going to give them anything that enables them to beat Boston or GS. They must keep the pick to rebuild when LJ leaves
That is a very strong take. I don't think Boston is (that much) better yet.
Maybe...but Boston does have the DPE still to use and maybe, just maybe Hayward returns by the playoffs...And Boston is younger and actually defends....has a better coach...but the Cavs have Lebron...but he just might not be enough with this group
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The Cavalier organization is better served trading some of their players now and building for the future. Would LeBron be willing to talk to the GM about his future? If he wants to stay, then make some tweaks to the roster. If he wants to explore the open market, is he open to being traded to a contender this season? As a token for his honesty about wanting to leave, then the team can take the hit for moving on from LeBron (instead of LeBron looking bad twice).
This is what should happen and would be best for everyone involved. Lebron is truly holding that franchise hostage right now.
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That pick is not going to give them anything that enables them to beat Boston or GS. They must keep the pick to rebuild when LJ leaves
Agreed (though not sure about Boston). If Brooklyn were clearly the worst team in the league, then maybe they could trade it for some legit help. But as it is that pick could land anywhere from 1 to 10, and no team will give up much for that much uncertainty.
So the Cave should keep the pick and pray for another Nets injury and hope the pick lands between 1 and 6...which at the worst (#6) would land them Porter, Trae Young, Doncic or Bamba. s
No way to beat the Warriors this year and no way to get better enough next year. If it were possible the franchise would best off trading Lebron (might as well add Wade too) right now.
Teams with pieces (and/or picks) to give that could become contenders this year by adding Lebron/Wade: 1. Denver 2. Portland 3. Milwaukee
(not saying Cave can get equal value for Lebron, they can't. Just a different way to start over than letting him walk away.)
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That pick is not going to give them anything that enables them to beat Boston or GS. They must keep the pick to rebuild when LJ leaves
Based on what I see on FearTheSword, Cavs fans feel that they're still the team to beat in the East, but are now worried that Toronto may give them serious resistance in coming out of the East...
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That pick is not going to give them anything that enables them to beat Boston or GS. They must keep the pick to rebuild when LJ leaves
Agreed (though not sure about Boston). If Brooklyn were clearly the worst team in the league, then maybe they could trade it for some legit help. But as it is that pick could land anywhere from 1 to 10, and no team will give up much for that much uncertainty.
So the Cave should keep the pick and pray for another Nets injury and hope the pick lands between 1 and 6...which at the worst (#6) would land them Porter, Trae Young, Doncic or Bamba. s
No way to beat the Warriors this year and no way to get better enough next year. If it were possible the franchise would best off trading Lebron (might as well add Wade too) right now.
Teams with pieces (and/or picks) to give that could become contenders this year by adding Lebron/Wade: 1. Denver 2. Portland 3. Milwaukee
(not saying Cave can get equal value for Lebron, they can't. Just a different way to start over than letting him walk away.)
Idea with Milwaukee:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9v79juu
Brogdon, Dellavedova
Wade, Snell, Korver
Antetokounpo, Crowder, Korver
Lebron, Antetokounpo, Maker
Henson, Plumlee, Maker
One superstar always on the floor. Small ball options against GS small ball (lebron verses Draymond and Antetokounpo verses Durant)
Cleveland gets Bledsoe, Middleton, a first round pick, Parker....and gets worse so that their own pick is better...
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That pick is not going to give them anything that enables them to beat Boston or GS. They must keep the pick to rebuild when LJ leaves
Agreed (though not sure about Boston). If Brooklyn were clearly the worst team in the league, then maybe they could trade it for some legit help. But as it is that pick could land anywhere from 1 to 10, and no team will give up much for that much uncertainty.
So the Cave should keep the pick and pray for another Nets injury and hope the pick lands between 1 and 6...which at the worst (#6) would land them Porter, Trae Young, Doncic or Bamba. s
No way to beat the Warriors this year and no way to get better enough next year. If it were possible the franchise would best off trading Lebron (might as well add Wade too) right now.
Teams with pieces (and/or picks) to give that could become contenders this year by adding Lebron/Wade: 1. Denver 2. Portland 3. Milwaukee
(not saying Cave can get equal value for Lebron, they can't. Just a different way to start over than letting him walk away.)
Idea with Milwaukee:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9v79juu
Brogdon, Dellavedova
Wade, Snell, Korver
Antetokounpo, Crowder, Korver
Lebron, Antetokounpo, Maker
Henson, Plumlee, Maker
One superstar always on the floor. Small ball options against GS small ball (lebron verses Draymond and Antetokounpo verses Durant)
Cleveland gets Bledsoe, Middleton, a first round pick, Parker....and gets worse so that their own pick is better...
I don’t see how Milwaukee becomes a contender with that trade. Giannis (my personal pick for most overrated player in the league) is not the ideal guy to pair with LeBron. He needs shooters. Not a penetrate and kick out to a guy looking to penetrate. I really don’t see how they coexist offensively.
As for Milwaukee, perhaps they get a little run in them and make the Finals, where they get waxed by GSW, no doubt. Then LeBron leaves (because who wants to play for Kidd in Milwaukee?), and they are left with what in return for Bledsoe, Middleton, Parker, and Teletovic?
I believe LeBron has a NTC and I’m sure if he gets moved, it’s not to a 23-20 team with a egomaniac head coach.
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Anybody good ....especically defense top player is gonna cost Cavs minimum their own pick and players .
A super good two way player .....will cost the Nets pick
Other GMs know Cavs in bind . And cavs teams to deal with is limited .....playoff opponents aren't going to strengthen the Cavs . At least top 5 teams in east and west.
GMs are gonna want that Nets pick for most trades envolving helpful assets , Cavs are in a bind , everybody knows it ....they can't get top dollar ....First because a 1-5 pick is no a guaranteed thing . 6-12 is most likey and Cavs stand to loose the best player in rthe NBA if they screw this up .
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Use it - what's the point of hanging on to it "just in case" Lebron leave? It is exceedingly unlikely (though, sure, not impossible) that they'll land a future All-NBA talent in the mid-to-late lottery as the Nets pick is projected. Plus, second half of the season is when these tanking teams get wide-eyed at top-3 picks. Nets are going to outplay a lot of these other bottom-dwellers.
On the other hand, if you dangle that pick and get someone decent in return, you might actually get to run it back for another shot at the title. This is Cleveland... you think the fans and ownership are saying, "Hey, one is enough, let Lebron walk and we can rebuild again" ? No way. Run it back, and maybe you find a guy who is going to be an asset in the post-Lebron era when you could have an IT/Love core. The right mix of players around that is still a playoff team.
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Cavs fans feel that they're still the team to beat in the East, but are now worried that Toronto may give them serious resistance in coming out of the East...
Cavs fans could be wrong and they have been in the past quite a few times. Still, So far they have had our number in the playoffs and until we beat them there they won't respect us. Still, they are LeBron leaving or an injury away from being a very bad team.
Use it - what's the point of hanging on to it "just in case" Lebron leave? It is exceedingly unlikely (though, sure, not impossible) that they'll land a future All-NBA talent in the mid-to-late lottery as the Nets pick is projected. Plus, second half of the season is when these tanking teams get wide-eyed at top-3 picks. Nets are going to outplay a lot of these other bottom-dwellers.
On the other hand, if you dangle that pick and get someone decent in return, you might actually get to run it back for another shot at the title. This is Cleveland... you think the fans and ownership are saying, "Hey, one is enough, let Lebron walk and we can rebuild again" ? No way. Run it back, and maybe you find a guy who is going to be an asset in the post-Lebron era when you could have an IT/Love core. The right mix of players around that is still a playoff team.
Dan Brown is a businessman and he could care less if LeBron wins another title. He has a business to run. He won his title, have you seen some of their moves, firing a coach that LeBron liked. Loading the team with bad contracts, trading Kyrie and you can see winning is not a priority for him. LeBron left him once and he fears he may again. Why would he help him win another title. LeBron 's game is going to head into decline it may be heading there now. I think LeBron has padded his stats at the expense of the team already this year.
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If I was CLE, I would trade the pick and Thompson to NOP for Cousins and then make one last run with LeBron. If LeBron leaves (and likely IT and Wade), that one pick isn't going to mean squat in trying to rebuild. This is likely their last hurrah so might as well go all in.
But does NOP do it? They are on the verge of being in the playoffs at last. Why take a step back at this point?
I don't know of course but Cousins is in the final year of his contract it is hard for me to believe that he is going to stick around. It seems highly likely he walks. I think it is pretty good for NOP to get Thompson and that pick for him under the circumstances.
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The only guy who could really thread the needle for this Cleveland team is Cousins.
But, he's likely NOT available as the Pelicans are looking to make the playoffs this season.
DeAndre Jordan could help Cleveland, especially inside and on defense, but I don't think he really threads the needle (maybe at best, forces a Finals series vs. Warriors to go 5 games?)
But even Jordan is no sure bet to get traded, as Clippers are looking to make a playoff push as well.