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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: droopdog7 on January 14, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
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What our season would look like if we drafted Fultz, kept IT, and Hayward got injured? I shutter at the very thought.
And, that’s the scenario most around here would have preferred by a mile.
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"Most" is strong. I remember it being very split on IT. Then a land slide when it was reported he would be out a while. Same goes with the draft people liked Tatum at 3 they just didn't like pick protection.
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"Most" is strong. I remember it being very split on IT. Then a land slide when it was reported he would be out a while. Same goes with the draft people liked Tatum at 3 they just didn't like pick protection.
I think most, of taken literally is accurate. The most frequently mentioned point regarding the Kyrie trade was giving up the unprotected Brooklyn pick by a mile. Most people hated it and would not have done it. How much time did we spend debating that IT and Kyrie are equal players? I don’t think it ever became a landslide before the season started.
As for fultz, the beginning most people thought we we getting TWO philly picks and were okay with it. Once folks found out it was only one pick and it was protected people wanted DA drawn and quartered.
So yeah, most.
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What our season would look like if we drafted Fultz, kept IT, and Hayward got injured? I shutter at the very thought.
And, that’s the scenario most around here would have preferred by a mile.
It would have been bad if that was what we did. Although CBS would have them playing hard we probably would be fight for a 7 or 8 seed. I wonder if Danny would have still drafted Tatum with #1 if he didn't fleece the 76ers. I was one who preferred the Kyrie for IT swap based on contracts, size and ability even though it meant giving up the pick and the other players. I really don't miss Crowder at all and his sulking. I do miss IT a lot but I just don't think (healthy or not) he could deliver us to the promised land. I did overvalue Zizic and Theis is far superior to Zizic. In hindsight a "great" trade by Danny IMO. Plus if he didn't trade IT then I think it would have been a much messier finish when it was time to offer IT a contract going forward.
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
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I'm trying to imagine next season when Hayward is back to playing and Tatum and Brown have another year of nba play. Who is coming off the bench out of those three???
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
or Hayward is set to be injured whether the trade happens or not, if you subscribe to that theory.
Its actual better to discuss what ifs having certain events as constants, than open a whole can of worms by theorizing every single causality in a scenario. Who knows, if IT does not get traded he steps on a pebble somewhere that would start a chain that would make the NBA cease to exist.
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well, since we are imagining in this thread, i would imagine something such as this for the celtics 2018-19 line up...
starters:
horford
irving
hayward
tatum
brown
bench:
smart
rozier
baynes
theis
morris - if not gone
deep bench:
ojeleye
draft picks, though if it is #2-5 next draft, maybe move to bench category
larkin
yabusele
who cares?
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
or Hayward is set to be injured whether the trade happens or not, if you subscribe to that theory.
Its actual better to discuss what ifs having certain events as constants, than open a whole can of worms by theorizing every single causality in a scenario. Who knows, if IT does not get traded he steps on a pebble somewhere that would start a chain that would make the NBA cease to exist.
Well, since Kyrie threw the pass and Crowder made defensive contact, I feel pretty comfortable that it wouldn’t have happened. We don’t need to go down the Butterfly Effect rabbit hole too far to know that Kyrie and Jae were essential to that injury.
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
Yeah, blame Kyrie for Hayward's injury. REALLY smart thinking!!
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
Yeah, blame Kyrie for Hayward's injury. REALLY smart thinking!!
I didn’t blame Kyrie. I said he was part of the play, as was Crowder.
If you take those two off of their respective teams, the play doesn’t happen.
But yes, being able to use logic to the slightest degree is, in fact, “smart thinking”. I appreciate you noticing. TP!
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One of the blessings in disguise is that Hayward's temporary loss has enabled Kyrie as the MVP candidate that he is and a Bonafide leader of this team.
It's also enabled Jayson Tatum to grow - and boy has he.
It's also enabled Jaylen Brown to step up more.
Who would've EVER thought that ANYONE here would be AGAINST trading Jayson Tatum for AD? That would've been simply unheard of a few months ago.
Now? Not so much. Jayson Tatum has some unicorn in him.
When we get Hayward back next year (or even THIS year)?
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/FXo3Din7pWybK/giphy.gif)
THAT is going to be a sight to behold.
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TP for the OP
There's so much luck involved in this stuff. Ainge is one of the best GM's in the business and I feel lucky he's steering the ship but he easily could've made a series of totally defensible decisions this summer that would've resulted in a frustrating season. Now, the Celtics are the best team in the East with a bright future ahead of them.
I feel pretty grateful to be able to root for this team.
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
or Hayward is set to be injured whether the trade happens or not, if you subscribe to that theory.
Its actual better to discuss what ifs having certain events as constants, than open a whole can of worms by theorizing every single causality in a scenario. Who knows, if IT does not get traded he steps on a pebble somewhere that would start a chain that would make the NBA cease to exist.
Well, since Kyrie threw the pass and Crowder made defensive contact, I feel pretty comfortable that it wouldn’t have happened. We don’t need to go down the Butterfly Effect rabbit hole too far to know that Kyrie and Jae were essential to that injury.
Lebron threw him to the floor as Crowder submarined him.
It was dirty as hell.
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"Most" is strong. I remember it being very split on IT. Then a land slide when it was reported he would be out a while. Same goes with the draft people liked Tatum at 3 they just didn't like pick protection.
TP - this is how I remember it, too (and I am sure there are many threads to back this up). It is definitely a scenario that could have happened, but not one that most people preferred. Actually, scratch that, Ainge was always taking Tatum so although we would not have the Lakers/Sac pick, we would still have Tatum over Fultz.
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
or Hayward is set to be injured whether the trade happens or not, if you subscribe to that theory.
Its actual better to discuss what ifs having certain events as constants, than open a whole can of worms by theorizing every single causality in a scenario. Who knows, if IT does not get traded he steps on a pebble somewhere that would start a chain that would make the NBA cease to exist.
Well, since Kyrie threw the pass and Crowder made defensive contact, I feel pretty comfortable that it wouldn’t have happened. We don’t need to go down the Butterfly Effect rabbit hole too far to know that Kyrie and Jae were essential to that injury.
Lebron threw him to the floor as Crowder submarined him.
It was dirty as hell.
True. It's also true though that the pass from Kyrie was not good. I've noticed since that Kyrie isn't all that good at setting up alley oops.
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
Yeah, blame Kyrie for Hayward's injury. REALLY smart thinking!!
I didn’t blame Kyrie. I said he was part of the play, as was Crowder.
If you take those two off of their respective teams, the play doesn’t happen.
But yes, being able to use logic to the slightest degree is, in fact, “smart thinking”. I appreciate you noticing. TP!
There is a difference between 'smart thinking' and "pretzel logic."
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
or Hayward is set to be injured whether the trade happens or not, if you subscribe to that theory.
Its actual better to discuss what ifs having certain events as constants, than open a whole can of worms by theorizing every single causality in a scenario. Who knows, if IT does not get traded he steps on a pebble somewhere that would start a chain that would make the NBA cease to exist.
Well, since Kyrie threw the pass and Crowder made defensive contact, I feel pretty comfortable that it wouldn’t have happened. We don’t need to go down the Butterfly Effect rabbit hole too far to know that Kyrie and Jae were essential to that injury.
Lebron threw him to the floor as Crowder submarined him.
It was dirty as hell.
True. It's also true though that the pass from Kyrie was not good. I've noticed since that Kyrie isn't all that good at setting up alley oops.
He definitely can be awful at it. Occasionally he throws legitimately great passes but he's good for 2-3 AWFUL ones a game pretty much I have noticed. They don't always result in a TO but I'm talking someone is wide open for a 3 and he throws it to their ankles or yes, bad lobs. I get not being the best passer but given his skill I don't get his occasional total lapses too much.
I don't think there is anyone to blame for the play, that being said.
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Hayward probably doesn’t get injured if we don’t make the Kyrie trade. Having Fultz instead of Tatum would be a bummer.
Yeah, blame Kyrie for Hayward's injury. REALLY smart thinking!!
I didn’t blame Kyrie. I said he was part of the play, as was Crowder.
If you take those two off of their respective teams, the play doesn’t happen.
But yes, being able to use logic to the slightest degree is, in fact, “smart thinking”. I appreciate you noticing. TP!
There is a difference between 'smart thinking' and "pretzel logic."
There is, although “pretzel logic” doesn’t really apply here.
It doesn’t take too many logical contortions to conclude that if the guy who threw the pass and the guy who undercut Hayward weren’t involved, that play doesn’t happen in the same way. That’s common sense that my 5-year old can reason through. Why are you having such a hard time with it?
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I just had a scary thought...If we had drafted Fultz and kept IT, Bradley & Crowder, what do you think our record would be today? I say 20-24. Our starting 5 would have been Marcus, Avery, Jae, FA, Al. Fultz would be out and IT would just be coming back.
Thank you Danny!
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There was this thread from yesterday that discussed a similar scenario (has us signing Hayward, but he is still injured):
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95037.0 (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95037.0)
It would be pretty grim to say the least, but we would have the BKN pick, Jaylen, Al, and a similar system to last year still in place. We would also desperately be hoping for IT to get back to his elite level.
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I thought early on that IF we didn't have Kyrie this year we'd be lucky to be a .500 team.
I like this team a LOT , BUT as good as it is, without Kyrie, sorry.
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I thought early on that IF we didn't have Kyrie this year we'd be lucky to be a .500 team.
I like this team a LOT , BUT as good as it is, without Kyrie, sorry.
What would our lineup look like?
Smart / Rozier
Brown
Hayward / Tatum
Tatum / Crowder
Horford / Baynes
I could see us being anywhere between 4th and 10th in the East, but I’d lean closer to 4th.
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I thought early on that IF we didn't have Kyrie this year we'd be lucky to be a .500 team.
I like this team a LOT , BUT as good as it is, without Kyrie, sorry.
I don't think that Irving is that crucial right now. He brought us a couple of extra wins and I certainly wouldn't say he's playing bad, but with Larkin behind Smart and Rozier we have enough depth at the point guard position to easily secure a play-off spot.
The strength of the team is that they've 7 or 8 players who are able to catch fire. We're not dependent on one guy to carry the offense. Only Horford seems irreplaceable in the starting unit.
That said, I don't think we would reach the ECF without Irving.