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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: gift on January 12, 2018, 02:29:47 PM
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Not sure if it has been posted somewhere else but I just started listening now. They recorded it after the game in London https://art19.com/shows/the-jj-redick-podcast (https://art19.com/shows/the-jj-redick-podcast)
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I love Kyrie as a Celtic and basketball player, but he seems to me to be a classic pseudointellectual in his life outside of basketball. Most of what comes out of his mouth is contrived nonsense that he uses to try and make himself sound intelligent.
I think there’s a clear distinction between truly intellectual athletes (like Jaylen, Lin, etc.) and these types of pseudointellectuals.
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Sounds like there is some genuine, good vibe between them.
Maybe Kyrie can pry JJ to Boston in a year or two.
JJ seems like a guy who would want a ring before he hangs them up.
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I love Kyrie as a Celtic and basketball player, but he seems to me to be a classic pseudointellectual in his life outside of basketball. Most of what comes out of his mouth is contrived nonsense that he uses to try and make himself sound intelligent.
I think there’s a clear distinction between truly intellectual athletes (like Jaylen, Lin, etc.) and these types of pseudointellectuals.
While i partially agree,
Maybe we just set the bar basketball/athletes too high in general for them to able to fulfill it.
Guy is good (elite) at basketball, he doesn't need to be "too smart" as well, right?
They are not superheroes. It is just that they have mics in their mouths all the time and eventually they will say dumb things.
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If Kyrie was a brand of alcohol, he'd be Dos Equis.
He is the most interesting man in the world.
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It's funny to me to see how worked up people get simply off of Kyrie's thoughts & words.
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Makes me laugh. He is so dumb.
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Yeah I posted this excerpt, it's great:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTW3T6KXkAEuJ0M.jpg:large)
I'd love to be a fly on the wall hearing him try to have an intellectual discussion with Jaylen.
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I’ve said it before, but Kyrie sounds like a big LSD advocate. I know a group of them in Portland. They’re always advocating similar ideas, right down to the Nikola Tesla and Jim Carrey stuff. They genuinely believe LSD has opened their mind to another realm of existence.
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I’ve said it before, but Kyrie sounds like a big LSD advocate. I know a group of them in Portland. They’re always advocating similar ideas, right down to the Nikola Tesla and Jim Carrey stuff. They genuinely believe LSD has opened their mind to another realm of existence.
Was he quoted about dropping acid, or are you just extrapolating from his reference to Tesla? Seems like a leap.
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I’ve said it before, but Kyrie sounds like a big LSD advocate. I know a group of them in Portland. They’re always advocating similar ideas, right down to the Nikola Tesla and Jim Carrey stuff. They genuinely believe LSD has opened their mind to another realm of existence.
Was he quoted about dropping acid, or are you just extrapolating from his reference to Tesla? Seems like a leap.
No, I’m saying that they literally talk about the same things. Tesla, Jim Carrey’s truth, the mind opening to different dimensions, conspiracy theories, etc.
I’m not saying that Kyrie is dropping acid. He’s just got a lot of the same interests and thoughts in common with those who are.
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I love Kyrie as a Celtic and basketball player, but he seems to me to be a classic pseudointellectual in his life outside of basketball. Most of what comes out of his mouth is contrived nonsense that he uses to try and make himself sound intelligent.
I think there’s a clear distinction between truly intellectual athletes (like Jaylen, Lin, etc.) and these types of pseudointellectuals.
While i partially agree,
Maybe we just set the bar basketball/athletes too high in general for them to able to fulfill it.
Guy is good (elite) at basketball, he doesn't need to be "too smart" as well, right?
They are not superheroes. It is just that they have mics in their mouths all the time and eventually they will say dumb things.
Very true, but I think Kyrie goes out of his way to try and sound and act intelligent and “enlightened.”
I think Kyrie’s situation goes way beyond just saying some dumb things due to the sheer amount of time he spends behind a microphone. Literally almost everything he says (outside of basketball) is forced, contrived, and nonsensical lol
EDIT: I think one of the best things that came out of this London trip/podcast is that now we know the source of Kyrie's “flat Earth” beliefs - research via Instagram videos 😂
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I don't think Kyrie is a pseudo intellectual. I just think he's different.
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I don't think Kyrie is a pseudo intellectual. I just think he's different.
He definitely has some Bill Lee to him.
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I love Kyrie as a Celtic and basketball player, but he seems to me to be a classic pseudointellectual in his life outside of basketball. Most of what comes out of his mouth is contrived nonsense that he uses to try and make himself sound intelligent.
I think there’s a clear distinction between truly intellectual athletes (like Jaylen, Lin, etc.) and these types of pseudointellectuals.
While i partially agree,
Maybe we just set the bar basketball/athletes too high in general for them to able to fulfill it.
Guy is good (elite) at basketball, he doesn't need to be "too smart" as well, right?
They are not superheroes. It is just that they have mics in their mouths all the time and eventually they will say dumb things.
I agree with this.
Also, if you put a microphone in front of my mouth several times a week for my entire adult life, I'm going to say something that makes me sound stupid from time to time. That goes for a large majority of people. And if you pick out those soundbites and judge my intelligence entirely on those (which is what a lot of people are doing with Kyrie), then you're going to come to the conclusion that I'm a dumbass - never mind the fact that most of my interviews are reasonable, normal, and boring.
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Sounds like there is some genuine, good vibe between them.
Maybe Kyrie can pry JJ to Boston in a year or two.
JJ seems like a guy who would want a ring before he hangs them up.
This would be awesome. Guy's a sniper.
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Makes me laugh. He is so dumb.
How insulting...I bet he's smart enough to keep track of his bank account while smart guys like you post how dumb he is on a blog!
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Its almost like some of you haven't listened to the whole podcast. I thought Kyrie came off very likable in that podcast, and JJ Redick obviously liked talking to him a lot.
I mean, he talks about conspiracies and meditation, but it was because Reddick brought it up. Kyrie complimented Reddick quite a bit and they had a great conversation.
Its funny the whole sub-narrative being formed around Kyrie. I mean, he embraces it, but its not like it is completely true. He just likes talking about ideas and discussing more intellectual thoughts. He's 25, or about the age of a grad student. He's exploring his philosophical system and trying to wrap his brain around the world.
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Its almost like some of you haven't listened to the whole podcast. I thought Kyrie came off very likable in that podcast, and JJ Redick obviously liked talking to him a lot.
I mean, he talks about conspiracies and meditation, but it was because Reddick brought it up. Kyrie complimented Reddick quite a bit and they had a great conversation.
Its funny the whole sub-narrative being formed around Kyrie. I mean, he embraces it, but its not like it is completely true. He just likes talking about ideas and discussing more intellectual thoughts. He's 25, or about the age of a grad student. He's exploring his philosophical system and trying to wrap his brain around the world.
I think it was a really cool convo, especially when he was talking about Brad at the end. Love the mutual respect that a lot of NBA players have for each other. As far as his so called off-the-wall comments, so many (smart) people have taken them the wrong way that now he's just like whatever. In a nutshell he believes in forming his own opinion of things instead of just believing what's shoved down his throat. Doesn't seem dumb to me at all!
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Is reddick going to be obtainable at all in the off season? He would be a nice piece for us.
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Its almost like some of you haven't listened to the whole podcast. I thought Kyrie came off very likable in that podcast, and JJ Redick obviously liked talking to him a lot.
I mean, he talks about conspiracies and meditation, but it was because Reddick brought it up. Kyrie complimented Reddick quite a bit and they had a great conversation.
Its funny the whole sub-narrative being formed around Kyrie. I mean, he embraces it, but its not like it is completely true. He just likes talking about ideas and discussing more intellectual thoughts. He's 25, or about the age of a grad student. He's exploring his philosophical system and trying to wrap his brain around the world.
I agree.
My question to the people who question his intelligence, why do you hate him so much? It's almost perplexing to me, because other than a scandalous things he's done in his past, (and let's be honest, we were all young,) he comes off as a very likable and intriguing guy. He's certainly been one of the most interesting Celtics I have ever seen in terms of how he speaks, and the way he thinks, along with the way he plays.
Kyrie to me, since I'm around close to his age, comes off as a well spoken millennial. I do agree Roy, that some of my friends, who experiment with psychoactive drugs speak similar to how Kyrie does, although I would say each person also varies based on how they perceive the drug. But his mannerisms are quite peculiar, and I would wager to suggest he has had tried some, maybe once, in his life time. It doesn't mean he's dumb though. He's definitely out there. But he reminds me of the suitable fashion in which most millennials are nowadays; frugal, conscientious, and always questioning everything regardless of the source.
I, too, got the same vibe from JJ Reddick, also considering they have the Duke alumni tag representing some familiarity between the two, I would also love if there is a possible fact he does come to Boston. He would fit well, and I think once we either let go of Rozier or Smart, he would be a perfect staple, or sixth man on any contender.
But getting back to the topic at hand, it seems like Kyrie is going to question the validity of any source. He has explicitly said he doesn't disagree on whether or not the world is flat. That was never his original point or the factual equivocation to his statement. What he has said many times, is that no matter where you get your facts or information from, make sure to think for yourself first. I also loved how JJ Reddick brought up super powers.
In the podcast, he states, "superpowers like the icons or badges in NBA 2K18," and how certain players have certain skillsets or badges that separate them from other NBA players. He mentioned Kyrie's ball handling as a superpower, and they broached upon the topic of how Kyrie improved his ball handling, and who he learned it from.
Kyrie went on to vocally praise Stevens, and how even though he has this calm demeanor, he brings a very special brand of coaching that reminds him of collegiate basketball. Although, I'm not too sure what he means by that. He sort of rambled on, about how the experience was very similar, but I got lost in exactly what his point was. I guess he meant to say that the defensive principles, and intangibles/fundamentals that college players have had, were emphasized more in Steven's system.
Regardless, it's a great listen. JJ Reddick is an awesome host, and a very well spoken dude with a sense of humor. Kyrie was very comfortable speaking his mind, and I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and will tune in for more of his podcasts in the future. (KAT is a very good one too, check it out!) If you don't like Kyrie Irving's manner of speaking, and how open he can get in interviews, then don't listen to this.
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Its almost like some of you haven't listened to the whole podcast. I thought Kyrie came off very likable in that podcast, and JJ Redick obviously liked talking to him a lot.
I mean, he talks about conspiracies and meditation, but it was because Reddick brought it up. Kyrie complimented Reddick quite a bit and they had a great conversation.
Its funny the whole sub-narrative being formed around Kyrie. I mean, he embraces it, but its not like it is completely true. He just likes talking about ideas and discussing more intellectual thoughts. He's 25, or about the age of a grad student. He's exploring his philosophical system and trying to wrap his brain around the world.
I agree.
My question to the people who question his intelligence, why do you hate him so much? It's almost perplexing to me, because other than a scandalous things he's done in his past, (and let's be honest, we were all young,) he comes off as a very likable and intriguing guy. He's certainly been one of the most interesting Celtics I have ever seen in terms of how he speaks, and the way he thinks, along with the way he plays.
Kyrie to me, since I'm around close to his age, comes off as a well spoken millennial. I do agree Roy, that some of my friends, who experiment with psychoactive drugs speak similar to how Kyrie does, although I would say each person also varies based on how they perceive the drug. But his mannerisms are quite peculiar, and I would wager to suggest he has had tried some, maybe once, in his life time. It doesn't mean he's dumb though. He's definitely out there. But he reminds me of the suitable fashion in which most millennials are nowadays; frugal, conscientious, and always questioning everything regardless of the source.
I haven't listened to the podcast (not really my thing). He might very well come off as a reasonable, likable guy in this particular interview, and I think in general he has a likable character. My comment is more of an overarching comment regarding the sum of Kyrie's interviews and discussions since becoming a Celtic.
And I don't hate him at all; in fact, I think I'm one of his bigger (basketball) supporters on this blog! I just don't think he's as intelligent or "enlightened" as he likes to portray himself in many of these types of interviews, and I certainly don't think he is eloquent and well-spoken (quite the opposite, in fact, due to trying so hard to sound smart).
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It’s pretty crazy to say that those who question Irving’s intelligence hate him. Definitely a BS statement.
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A lot of people believe in meditative enlightenment, expanding of your imagination to affect your reality and the existence of alternate realities and higher realms. I am more of a science based thinking but that doesn't necessarily make me right or them right. Kyrie is different. Nothing wrong with that
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i enjoyed that
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Its almost like some of you haven't listened to the whole podcast. I thought Kyrie came off very likable in that podcast, and JJ Redick obviously liked talking to him a lot.
I mean, he talks about conspiracies and meditation, but it was because Reddick brought it up. Kyrie complimented Reddick quite a bit and they had a great conversation.
Its funny the whole sub-narrative being formed around Kyrie. I mean, he embraces it, but its not like it is completely true. He just likes talking about ideas and discussing more intellectual thoughts. He's 25, or about the age of a grad student. He's exploring his philosophical system and trying to wrap his brain around the world.
I agree.
My question to the people who question his intelligence, why do you hate him so much? It's almost perplexing to me, because other than a scandalous things he's done in his past, (and let's be honest, we were all young,) he comes off as a very likable and intriguing guy. He's certainly been one of the most interesting Celtics I have ever seen in terms of how he speaks, and the way he thinks, along with the way he plays.
Kyrie to me, since I'm around close to his age, comes off as a well spoken millennial. I do agree Roy, that some of my friends, who experiment with psychoactive drugs speak similar to how Kyrie does, although I would say each person also varies based on how they perceive the drug. But his mannerisms are quite peculiar, and I would wager to suggest he has had tried some, maybe once, in his life time. It doesn't mean he's dumb though. He's definitely out there. But he reminds me of the suitable fashion in which most millennials are nowadays; frugal, conscientious, and always questioning everything regardless of the source.
I haven't listened to the podcast (not really my thing). He might very well come off as a reasonable, likable guy in this particular interview, and I think in general he has a likable character. My comment is more of an overarching comment regarding the sum of Kyrie's interviews and discussions since becoming a Celtic.
And I don't hate him at all; in fact, I think I'm one of his bigger (basketball) supporters on this blog! I just don't think he's as intelligent or "enlightened" as he likes to portray himself in many of these types of interviews, and I certainly don't think he is eloquent and well-spoken (quite the opposite, in fact, due to trying so hard to sound smart).
I get both you and Irving's viewpoint, but environments and other factors influence your personality. Maybe to you Irving doesn't come off as an intellectual, but to others he does. It is what it is, although I have seen some really disrespectful comments about Kyrie Irving on these boards the past few months, I guarantee the same people being uppity about Irving's intelligence wouldn't dare say the same words to his face. Which was my point about some people either hating him, or just being keyboard warriors, nowadays in today's society which how sensitive people are, it's quite hard to distinguish.
All in all, it seems like Irving is having fun. I tell people if you can't stand how Irving talk, you can just avoid listening to him
Simple as that. I think Irving rambles on sometimes, because he's embracing the media spotlight and wants to show off the most best part of him. Sometimes we have a tendency to see the greater part of ourselves in the mirror with our own green tinted glasses.
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I think Irving rambles on sometimes, because he's embracing the media spotlight and wants to show off the most best part of him.
Obviously Jaylen got sick of listening to Kyrie.
http://www.weei.com/blogs/john-tomase/listen-jaylen-brown-mock-kyrie-irving-during-long-winded-answer-london-after
Hilarious
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I think Irving rambles on sometimes, because he's embracing the media spotlight and wants to show off the most best part of him.
Obviously Jaylen got sick of listening to Kyrie.
http://www.weei.com/blogs/john-tomase/listen-jaylen-brown-mock-kyrie-irving-during-long-winded-answer-london-after
Hilarious
Haha, yeah I saw that. You can tell these players have great chemistry though.
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A lot of people believe in meditative enlightenment, expanding of your imagination to affect your reality and the existence of alternate realities and higher realms. I am more of a science based thinking but that doesn't necessarily make me right or them right. Kyrie is different. Nothing wrong with that
My guess is that you don't believe they are, but just to clarify, these are not mutually exclusive viewpoints. There is some fascinating work being done in quantum field theory that suggests that maybe the existence of alternate realities and dimensions isn't as crazy as we have been taught!
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I just finally listened to the podcast after hearing other people's takes on it.
The conspiracy stuff is quickly touched on and Kyrie didn't say anything crazy at all. I had almost avoided it because I was worried he went off on this but he didn't at all and I thought what he said was fine. He just is willing to hear any viewpoints and like provocative views. That's not anything wrong. Maybe it's a bit weird in ways, but as a weird person that's fine and someone's right. He is clearly focused on his work and art, as he would put it.
The reaction to it was overblown and downright wrong in some things I saw. I thought he was talking about Loose Change in some detail but Redick brought it up just for a moment and Kyrie said he never saw it. Anyways, if you are avoiding it because of this I don't think you should.
I really loved hearing him talk about how he works on his game and approaches it. How he worked on any type of shot he had confidence in until he was confidence in it, little shots and things others wouldn't practice (especially for some time, he talks about seeing Steven Nash working on floaters and a eurostep and then doing that himself).
There is so much creativity and confidence and mentality to basketball that I think is lost on casual fans and even some hardcore ones who haven't played as much or I guess thought as deeply on playing. What separates good from great players. It's what keeps Jeff Green or Kelly Olynyk, who at times look like All Star talents, from consistently being those. It's an aspect even to the lowest levels of basketball though (even a regular adult pick up game) but it is lost on many people.
Working on things, thinking them through, and implementing them takes"newts", lol, a Melo term for guts as Kyrie says and you know what else. It takes guts to do moves you work on that are elaborate. Kyrie has it and I appreciated Redick, a player who works on it but doesn't really do it in the game, talk about his view on how that separates them and what goes into it. Extremely interesting conversation and I loved Kyrie's view on things.
Given his talk on meditation in the podcast, I came way thinking Kyrie is basically a basketball martial artist and that is very cool. Basically how I always thought of him probably underneath his longwinded answers and off the wall one off comments people run away with.
This was very worth a listen. They talked Duke and Stevens as well which was good. All very interesting in the podcast but I have nothing to add but it seems like Kyrie is super confident in Brad. There's a moment where Redick compares them to the Warriors because even if they are down they have the same apporoach and play the same way, and when he says that Kyrie cuts in and says "because it will work" very confidently. Great moment.
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A lot of people believe in meditative enlightenment, expanding of your imagination to affect your reality and the existence of alternate realities and higher realms. I am more of a science based thinking but that doesn't necessarily make me right or them right. Kyrie is different. Nothing wrong with that
My guess is that you don't believe they are, but just to clarify, these are not mutually exclusive viewpoints. There is some fascinating work being done in quantum field theory that suggests that maybe the existence of alternate realities and dimensions isn't as crazy as we have been taught!
I would also say the ways being discussed are not so simple to speak of because some of the things are internal and mental. They are in the mind of the individual. Meditation is about achieving certain goals within the mind for example (achieving Nirvana for some in the classic sense). I do meditate myself as Kyrie does. For me it is about quieting my mind, which creates a mental discipline and calm I can feel the rest of the day, but visualization and other things are possible. I only do it in a limited form but even for me it has big effects that help be a lot and are noticeable. Briefly after a good session I feel under the influence in a way, that's the only way I can describe it.
It's a skill like you might go to the gym to work on.
Anyways it is a spiritual thing to some as well (which is not an aspect I share, but respect) but I also would say it gets into such difficult and complex ideas that yes, it isn't exclusive at all.