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Title: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: CelticsElite on January 12, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22049560/ty-lue-says-cleveland-cavaliers-got-get-rid-agendas-blowout-loss-toronto-raptors

Wheels on the bus falling off? Cavs blown out by 25pts + Again, lost 7 of last 10


 "we've got to be better," Lue said after the Cavs lost for the seventh time in the past 10 games. "We know that. But until we play better defensively, I think offensively sharing the basketball, everyone on the same page -- and if guys have agendas, we've got to get rid of our agendas and play the right way."

Asked what he meant by "agendas," Lue declined to elaborate, saying he meant "just what I said."

When Lue's "agendas" remark was relayed to LeBron James, James couldn't identify what Lue was referring to

"I mean, I would hope not," James said. "I don't [have an agenda]. At this point, three and a half, four years in this thing, I hope not. I don't know. I don't have one. I just want to win. I just like playing ball the right way, getting guys involved and winning the game also. I don't."
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Kevin Love said he was perplexed by Lue's remark.


"It's
my 10th year," he said. "We've got a lot of vets on this team. If there are agendas, I don't see it. But I'm sure whoever he's speaking of or speaking to with that, he'll address it, as we usually do. So, I don't know
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Cavs reserve Channing Frye told ESPN that Lue's remarks should put his team on notice.

"This is a business," Frye said. "Maybe it's meant to be a wake-up call. My bags have been half-packed since I got here. This is meant to be a championship group. We have to understand, if we're not helping move everything in a championship direction, there could be changes."
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Wonder who Lue is talking about
Title: Re: Coach Lue: “If guy’s have agendas, we’ve got to get rid of those” after loss
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 12, 2018, 12:27:38 PM
Haha, amazing. Getting the whole team ticked at their coach is exactly what they need right now.
Title: Re: Coach Lue: “If guy’s have agendas, we’ve got to get rid of those” after loss
Post by: CelticsElite on January 12, 2018, 12:48:09 PM
Haha, amazing. Getting the whole team ticked at their coach is exactly what they need right now.
yup

Honestly I think coach Lue is talking about IT. IT was 0-17 in the first half of the past 2 blow out cav losses. Seems IT is out to get his contract instead of winning
Title: Re: Coach Lue: “If guy’s have agendas, we’ve got to get rid of those” after loss
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 12, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
Haha, amazing. Getting the whole team ticked at their coach is exactly what they need right now.
yup

Honestly I think coach Lue is talking about IT. IT was 0-17 in the first half of the past 2 blow out cav losses. Seems IT is out to get his contract instead of winning

That sounds very plausible - I haven't really kept track of IT after that first game, but he's been eyeing getting paid for years and has no real loyalty to the Cavs.

From the comments it sounds like it's more than just one guy but IT is likely very prominent on whatever mental list Lue has.  Still very stupid for Lue to air it to the press.
Title: Re: Coach Lue: “If guy’s have agendas, we’ve got to get rid of those” after loss
Post by: CelticsElite on January 12, 2018, 12:53:20 PM
Haha, amazing. Getting the whole team ticked at their coach is exactly what they need right now.
yup

Honestly I think coach Lue is talking about IT. IT was 0-17 in the first half of the past 2 blow out cav losses. Seems IT is out to get his contract instead of winning

That sounds very plausible - I haven't really kept track of IT after that first game, but he's been eyeing getting paid for years and has no real loyalty to the Cavs.

From the comments it sounds like it's more than just one guy but IT is likely very prominent on whatever mental list Lue has.  Still very stupid for Lue to air it to the press.
haha yeah. Love channing Frye saying his bags are half packed. That def sounds like he loves the organization so far
Title: Re: Coach Lue: “If guy’s have agendas, we’ve got to get rid of those” after loss
Post by: hpantazo on January 12, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
Haha, amazing. Getting the whole team ticked at their coach is exactly what they need right now.
yup

Honestly I think coach Lue is talking about IT. IT was 0-17 in the first half of the past 2 blow out cav losses. Seems IT is out to get his contract instead of winning

That sounds very plausible - I haven't really kept track of IT after that first game, but he's been eyeing getting paid for years and has no real loyalty to the Cavs. From the comments it sounds like it's more than just one guy but IT is probably on whatever mental list Lue has.  Still very stupid for Lue to air it to the press.

It’s got to be IT. He’s the only guy who reasonably would have an agenda, he’s shooting
at will and he plays no defense.
Title: Re: Coach Lue: “If guy’s have agendas, we’ve got to get rid of those” after loss
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 12, 2018, 12:54:50 PM
This is almost certainly about Isaiah Thomas. His "agenda" is still being an elite offensive option so that he can earn a big next contract.

The last two games  have been his worst two game stretch in 4 years. Offensively he is struggling to get to his spots and get his shots, and defensively he has been worse than usual.

I really want Thomas to get a good next contract with a winning basketball team, but Lue is right. He has to play for his team, not for his contract.

Frye's comment was telling also. Is there any way they flip Thomas to a team in desperate need of scoring on the perimeter before the deadline?
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: celticsclay on January 12, 2018, 12:59:33 PM
I always thought there was a chance that IT could be trouble trying to prove his worth for his first big contract in just 3 months of play...

PS tp to op for working int he funny pics and the post in general.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Valid on January 12, 2018, 01:05:18 PM
Everyone is sitting here saying that Thomas is playing poorly because he is trying too hard to get his next contract, but has anyone considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he is a bit rusty after having not played competitive ball since May?

He is coming off of a pretty serious hip injury. It's going to take him a while to find his groove, especially with a new team where he is not the primary offensive option. It's not just LeBron taking away his shots, either. There are numerous guys on the Cavaliers who require touches on a nightly basis, which is something IT simply didn't have to deal with in Boston.

I think maybe the "agenda" Lue is talking about is Thomas just trying to get back at the Celtics for trading him. Or maybe he's not talking about Isaiah at all. Remember: there were problems in Cleveland's locker room earlier in the year when J.R. Smith had to come off the bench, and there was a point where Dwyane Wade ripped the starting lineup.

We need to give Thomas at least a few weeks to re-acclimate himself to the rigors of live game action and to become accustomed to his new surroundings before we start ripping him a new one.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: celticsclay on January 12, 2018, 01:12:58 PM
Everyone is sitting here saying that Thomas is playing poorly because he is trying too hard to get his next contract, but has anyone considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he is a bit rusty after having not played competitive ball since May?

He is coming off of a pretty serious hip injury. It's going to take him a while to find his groove, especially with a new team where he is not the primary offensive option. It's not just LeBron taking away his shots, either. There are numerous guys on the Cavaliers who require touches on a nightly basis, which is something IT simply didn't have to deal with in Boston.

I think maybe the "agenda" Lue is talking about is Thomas just trying to get back at the Celtics for trading him. Or maybe he's not talking about Isaiah at all. Remember: there were problems in Cleveland's locker room earlier in the year when J.R. Smith had to come off the bench, and there was a point where Dwyane Wade ripped the starting lineup.

We need to give Thomas at least a few weeks to re-acclimate himself to the rigors of live game action and to become accustomed to his new surroundings before we start ripping him a new one.

Pretty curious who you feel was "ripping him a new one." A few people mentioned that they thought he could be talking about IT especially given his shooting struggles the last few games. I mentioned I was worried about this in the off season because he is playing for a big contract with a very limited amount of minutes and games. Does any of that qualify as ripping him?
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Roy H. on January 12, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Valid on January 12, 2018, 01:15:19 PM
Everyone is sitting here saying that Thomas is playing poorly because he is trying too hard to get his next contract, but has anyone considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he is a bit rusty after having not played competitive ball since May?

He is coming off of a pretty serious hip injury. It's going to take him a while to find his groove, especially with a new team where he is not the primary offensive option. It's not just LeBron taking away his shots, either. There are numerous guys on the Cavaliers who require touches on a nightly basis, which is something IT simply didn't have to deal with in Boston.

I think maybe the "agenda" Lue is talking about is Thomas just trying to get back at the Celtics for trading him. Or maybe he's not talking about Isaiah at all. Remember: there were problems in Cleveland's locker room earlier in the year when J.R. Smith had to come off the bench, and there was a point where Dwyane Wade ripped the starting lineup.

We need to give Thomas at least a few weeks to re-acclimate himself to the rigors of live game action and to become accustomed to his new surroundings before we start ripping him a new one.

Pretty curious who you feel was "ripping him a new one." A few people mentioned that they thought he could be talking about IT especially given his shooting struggles the last few games. I mentioned I was worried about this in the off season because he is playing for a big contract with a very limited amount of minutes and games. Does any of that qualify as ripping him?
People here are saying that he is playing for his contract rather than his team, which, in essence, is saying he is a me-first player. I'd say that qualifies as ripping him.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Valid on January 12, 2018, 01:15:55 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?
Exactly. It's like people forget there were locker room issues in Cleveland this year before Thomas even returned to the floor. This is something that has been going on since October.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: celticsclay on January 12, 2018, 01:22:52 PM
Everyone is sitting here saying that Thomas is playing poorly because he is trying too hard to get his next contract, but has anyone considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he is a bit rusty after having not played competitive ball since May?

He is coming off of a pretty serious hip injury. It's going to take him a while to find his groove, especially with a new team where he is not the primary offensive option. It's not just LeBron taking away his shots, either. There are numerous guys on the Cavaliers who require touches on a nightly basis, which is something IT simply didn't have to deal with in Boston.

I think maybe the "agenda" Lue is talking about is Thomas just trying to get back at the Celtics for trading him. Or maybe he's not talking about Isaiah at all. Remember: there were problems in Cleveland's locker room earlier in the year when J.R. Smith had to come off the bench, and there was a point where Dwyane Wade ripped the starting lineup.

We need to give Thomas at least a few weeks to re-acclimate himself to the rigors of live game action and to become accustomed to his new surroundings before we start ripping him a new one.

Pretty curious who you feel was "ripping him a new one." A few people mentioned that they thought he could be talking about IT especially given his shooting struggles the last few games. I mentioned I was worried about this in the off season because he is playing for a big contract with a very limited amount of minutes and games. Does any of that qualify as ripping him?
People here are saying that he is playing for his contract rather than his team, which, in essence, is saying he is a me-first player. I'd say that qualifies as ripping him.

Seems like a quite stretch to call it ripping him. He IS playing for a contract right now. He definitely will feel some pressure from that. Tougher still, he is trying to prove his value in a short period of time (half a season) coming onto a team with title hopes. It is a challenging situation. Doesn't make him any less of a good player or anything else, just human.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: hpantazo on January 12, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
I’m not criticizing IT by saying he may be the guy with the agenda. IMO he SHOULD be playing with an agenda. That injury followed by the trade could screw him out of his one big chance to get a well deserved payday, and he has no reason to show loyalty to anyone but himself and his family at this point. If he scores like pre injury IT he will get paid.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: sed522002 on January 12, 2018, 01:46:45 PM

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People here are saying that he is playing for his contract rather than his team, which, in essence, is saying he is a me-first player. I'd say that qualifies as ripping him.


But he IS playing for his contract, as he should, it would be a little naive to think otherwise. People always talk about how he plays with a chip on his shoulder...well he has a HUGE one this season. The landscape, for a PG to make BIG money, isn't looking that great this summer. He knows that Cleveland's first priority is retaining Lebron.

Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Roy H. on January 12, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
Cavs have lost 6 of 8. There terrible defense and recent losing dates back to before his return.

Vaguely calling guys out in the media is such passive aggressive nonsense. 

Guys are going through the motions. Everyone, up and down the roster. 
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: jpotter33 on January 12, 2018, 02:11:15 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?

From an offensive standpoint, it’s pretty clearly referring (at least mostly) to IT if you watch the games. IT is still playing like he’s the number one option in Boston, and there have been several questionable iso possessions that he’s had that have brought out questionable looks and body language from his teammates and coaches.

Now that’s offensively, of course. Defensively every single player up and down that roster deserves blame, which is primarily on Cleveland’s overall culture that doesn’t prioritize defense nor holds their guys accountable.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: mmmmm on January 12, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?

From an offensive standpoint, it’s pretty clearly referring (at least mostly) to IT if you watch the games. IT is still playing like he’s the number one option in Boston, and there have been several questionable iso possessions that he’s had that have brought out questionable looks and body language from his teammates and coaches.

Now that’s offensively, of course. Defensively every single player up and down that roster deserves blame, which is primarily on Cleveland’s overall culture that doesn’t prioritize defense nor holds their guys accountable.

So ... CLE was struggling massively for many games, long before IT returned ... but somehow it is 'obvious' that it is his 'agenda' is what Lue is calling out and was to blame?

Thomas' shooting stone cold from the floor in this game wasn't the reason the Cavs gave up a zillion buckets anymore than his complete absence from the floor through most of this bad stretch has been.

Love, Smith & Wade all combined to shoot 4 of 21, hardly any better than Thomas.  And Wade and Smith generally looked atrocious and disinterested in this game.   There are plenty of candidates on that team for Lue to have been referring to.   

The biggest reason the Raptors scored so prolifically was that they shot 42 threes in this game, making a hefty 18 of them (42.9%).  Only 5 of those threes were guarded by Thomas and only 1 of those he defended was made.  As a matter of fact, TOR converted on only that 1 shot out of 7 defended by Thomas in that game.  That doesn't mean Thomas played great defense.  But it indicates that he probably wasn't the problem in this game.

Korver was torched for 8 of 11 shots defended (including 2 of 2  on threes).
Wade gave up 5 of 8 shots defended (including 2 of 5  on threes).
Channing Frye was a sieve, yielding makes on all 5 shots he defended, including 4 of 4 on threes!
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: SparzWizard on January 12, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
How's that brinks truck working out eh, Isaiah Thomas?
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Eja117 on January 12, 2018, 05:30:52 PM
Wait. He's played 4 games so he already has an agenda?

Whatever.

Lue is a horrid coach
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: jpotter33 on January 12, 2018, 05:32:49 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?

From an offensive standpoint, it’s pretty clearly referring (at least mostly) to IT if you watch the games. IT is still playing like he’s the number one option in Boston, and there have been several questionable iso possessions that he’s had that have brought out questionable looks and body language from his teammates and coaches.

Now that’s offensively, of course. Defensively every single player up and down that roster deserves blame, which is primarily on Cleveland’s overall culture that doesn’t prioritize defense nor holds their guys accountable.

So ... CLE was struggling massively for many games, long before IT returned ... but somehow it is 'obvious' that it is his 'agenda' is what Lue is calling out and was to blame?

Thomas' shooting stone cold from the floor in this game wasn't the reason the Cavs gave up a zillion buckets anymore than his complete absence from the floor through most of this bad stretch has been.

Love, Smith & Wade all combined to shoot 4 of 21, hardly any better than Thomas.  And Wade and Smith generally looked atrocious and disinterested in this game.   There are plenty of candidates on that team for Lue to have been referring to.   

The biggest reason the Raptors scored so prolifically was that they shot 42 threes in this game, making a hefty 18 of them (42.9%).  Only 5 of those threes were guarded by Thomas and only 1 of those he defended was made.  As a matter of fact, TOR converted on only that 1 shot out of 7 defended by Thomas in that game.  That doesn't mean Thomas played great defense.  But it indicates that he probably wasn't the problem in this game.

Korver was torched for 8 of 11 shots defended (including 2 of 2  on threes).
Wade gave up 5 of 8 shots defended (including 2 of 5  on threes).
Channing Frye was a sieve, yielding makes on all 5 shots he defended, including 4 of 4 on threes!

Bro, perhaps you should read my post again. lol I literally put the blame for the defense on the entire team and overall culture, not just IT:

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Now that’s offensively, of course. Defensively every single player up and down that roster deserves blame, which is primarily on Cleveland’s overall culture that doesn’t prioritize defense nor holds their guys accountable.

I'm specifically referring to IT's offensive play and shot selection. Ever since his first minutes back he's played like he's not missed a beat with his shot selection, regularly taking the early jumpers and pull-up shots that he excelled with in Boston where he was the number one option. And you could tell through his teammates' body language and facial expressions (especially with Lebron) that they weren't all that thrilled with IT's shot selection and decision-making, probably because (a) he's the "new kid on the block," (b) he didn't ease himself in at all offensively, and (c) they're not used to that type of player this season with Lebron and Love dominating the offensive opportunities.

So, yeah, when combining his recent struggles and these observations regarding his teammates with all of the talk surrounding his negative feelings about the trade and his upcoming contract status, I think it's a fairly safe deduction that he's referring to IT (at least primarily) with these comments (regardless of how dumb Lue's comment was in the first place).
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: jpotter33 on January 12, 2018, 05:53:43 PM
More trouble and dissension brewing in The Land:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753878-cavs-players-reportedly-irked-lebron-james-has-slowed-down-ball-movement

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"With three wins in their past 10 games, the Cleveland Cavaliers are reportedly upset with the pace LeBron James has them playing.     

On Friday, Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com wrote some Cavaliers players "have grumbled that James has slowed the ball movement, holding on to the ball until he sees an 'assist' pass, rather than moving it quickly."

The Cavs have lost back-to-back games against the Minnesota Timberwolves and Toronto Raptors by a combined 62 points. James had just one assist in Thursday's 133-99 defeat to the Raptors at the Air Canada Centre.

Head coach Tyronn Lue said after that game the Cavs need to get "everyone on the same page, and if guys have agendas, we've got to get rid of our agendas and play the right way," per Vardon.

James noted he doesn't have an agenda: "I just like playing ball the right way, getting guys involved and winning the game also."

Despite leading the Central Division by 3.5 games, the Cavaliers have been inconsistent to start the 2017-18 NBA season. They won 13 straight games after a 5-7 start but have gone .500 in their last 16 to sit at 26-15 halfway through the campaign."
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: 2short on January 12, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
Cavs have lost 6 of 8. There terrible defense and recent losing dates back to before his return.

Vaguely calling guys out in the media is such passive aggressive nonsense. 

Guys are going through the motions. Everyone, up and down the roster.
This
It could very well be Thomas but the cavs overall this season have looked lazy and uninterested in playing team ball and defense for sure.  I think Lue would have been better to slam whole team with a top to bottom statement instead of being vague.  I do think that the team will get shaken up sometime soon with lue gone and maybe a player or two traded.  On paper with age and salaries cavs not a good blend.  Of course worse they get more likely lebron leaving, IT signing elsewhere so that trade looking better every day
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: 2short on January 12, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
Cavs have lost 6 of 8. There terrible defense and recent losing dates back to before his return.

Vaguely calling guys out in the media is such passive aggressive nonsense. 

Guys are going through the motions. Everyone, up and down the roster.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 12, 2018, 06:34:16 PM
More trouble and dissension brewing in The Land:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753878-cavs-players-reportedly-irked-lebron-james-has-slowed-down-ball-movement

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"With three wins in their past 10 games, the Cleveland Cavaliers are reportedly upset with the pace LeBron James has them playing.     

On Friday, Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com wrote some Cavaliers players "have grumbled that James has slowed the ball movement, holding on to the ball until he sees an 'assist' pass, rather than moving it quickly."

The Cavs have lost back-to-back games against the Minnesota Timberwolves and Toronto Raptors by a combined 62 points. James had just one assist in Thursday's 133-99 defeat to the Raptors at the Air Canada Centre.

Head coach Tyronn Lue said after that game the Cavs need to get "everyone on the same page, and if guys have agendas, we've got to get rid of our agendas and play the right way," per Vardon.

James noted he doesn't have an agenda: "I just like playing ball the right way, getting guys involved and winning the game also."

Despite leading the Central Division by 3.5 games, the Cavaliers have been inconsistent to start the 2017-18 NBA season. They won 13 straight games after a 5-7 start but have gone .500 in their last 16 to sit at 26-15 halfway through the campaign."

Pulling a Rondo?

Or maybe trying to get people to think he's better than Bird?
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: CelticSooner on January 12, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
A crappy coach calling his lazy team out lol
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: cman88 on January 12, 2018, 06:44:29 PM
and people wonder why Kyrie jumped ship and wanted out? he saw the writing on the wall. Lebron is leaving after this year and he would be left with a poor defensive team full of ageing veterans that were signed to fit Lebrons style...

instead he gets to play on a young team with 2 promising young players and 2 veteran all-stars in hayward/horford and an actual coach
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: nickagneta on January 12, 2018, 06:47:31 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?
Exactly. It's like people forget there were locker room issues in Cleveland this year before Thomas even returned to the floor. This is something that has been going on since October.
I have to agree. Jumping to the conclusion that after just three games IT is the one person that Lue is talking about is unfair to IT and probably wrong. Isaiah hasn't even had time to acclimate himself to the team in game situations yet.

I can't believe that no one is discussing Thompson, Wade, Smith, or even Lebron.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Erik on January 12, 2018, 07:06:37 PM
Cavs realizing what it's like playing with a 5'9" guard without Marcus Smart covering for him on every play.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: jpotter33 on January 12, 2018, 07:16:35 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?
Exactly. It's like people forget there were locker room issues in Cleveland this year before Thomas even returned to the floor. This is something that has been going on since October.
I have to agree. Jumping to the conclusion that after just three games IT is the one person that Lue is talking about is unfair to IT and probably wrong. Isaiah hasn't even had time to acclimate himself to the team in game situations yet.

I can't believe that no one is discussing Thompson, Wade, Smith, or even Lebron.

I don't see where the "agenda" narrative would come from with those guys, though. With IT there's a clear "agenda" that can be pinpointed, but what would that mean for the other guys? This is especially true given the context of Lue's quote talking about sharing the basketball offensively, which is in line with what IT's "agenda" would be.

The only other guy that I could see Lue targeting directly would be Lebron, given the report from Vardon regarding the team being unhappy with Lebron potentially being selfish with his passes. However, given their relationship it's hard for me to see Lue targeting Lebron via the media in that manner, even implicitly.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: hpantazo on January 12, 2018, 07:24:50 PM
Cavs are crushing the Pacers right now. Looks like they responded to Lue's comments well.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 12, 2018, 07:40:51 PM
I still fear them in the playoffs because they have a history of pulling it together in playoff runs.   That being said, I hope they fail in that endeavor because I am a Celtic Fan.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Roy H. on January 12, 2018, 07:56:13 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?
Exactly. It's like people forget there were locker room issues in Cleveland this year before Thomas even returned to the floor. This is something that has been going on since October.
I have to agree. Jumping to the conclusion that after just three games IT is the one person that Lue is talking about is unfair to IT and probably wrong. Isaiah hasn't even had time to acclimate himself to the team in game situations yet.

I can't believe that no one is discussing Thompson, Wade, Smith, or even Lebron.

I don't see where the "agenda" narrative would come from with those guys, though. With IT there's a clear "agenda" that can be pinpointed, but what would that mean for the other guys? This is especially true given the context of Lue's quote talking about sharing the basketball offensively, which is in line with what IT's "agenda" would be.

The only other guy that I could see Lue targeting directly would be Lebron, given the report from Vardon regarding the team being unhappy with Lebron potentially being selfish with his passes. However, given their relationship it's hard for me to see Lue targeting Lebron via the media in that manner, even implicitly.

And yet, Shams Charania says that the Cavs want IT to shoot more, not less, and that they’re happy with his progress.

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Around the Cavaliers, there are no worries: Thomas will find his way, but must continue to be aggressive. There had been moments he passed when teammates expected him to shoot, almost second-guessing his shot selection rather than sticking to his gut and true game.

So, IT’s “agenda” seems to be a CelticsBlog driven narrative, not a real one.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: jpotter33 on January 12, 2018, 08:35:42 PM
So, no one on the team has a clue regarding which guys (plural) he is talking about, but it’s all on IT?
Exactly. It's like people forget there were locker room issues in Cleveland this year before Thomas even returned to the floor. This is something that has been going on since October.
I have to agree. Jumping to the conclusion that after just three games IT is the one person that Lue is talking about is unfair to IT and probably wrong. Isaiah hasn't even had time to acclimate himself to the team in game situations yet.

I can't believe that no one is discussing Thompson, Wade, Smith, or even Lebron.

I don't see where the "agenda" narrative would come from with those guys, though. With IT there's a clear "agenda" that can be pinpointed, but what would that mean for the other guys? This is especially true given the context of Lue's quote talking about sharing the basketball offensively, which is in line with what IT's "agenda" would be.

The only other guy that I could see Lue targeting directly would be Lebron, given the report from Vardon regarding the team being unhappy with Lebron potentially being selfish with his passes. However, given their relationship it's hard for me to see Lue targeting Lebron via the media in that manner, even implicitly.

And yet, Shams Charania says that the Cavs want IT to shoot more, not less, and that they’re happy with his progress.

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Around the Cavaliers, there are no worries: Thomas will find his way, but must continue to be aggressive. There had been moments he passed when teammates expected him to shoot, almost second-guessing his shot selection rather than sticking to his gut and true game.

So, IT’s “agenda” seems to be a CelticsBlog driven narrative, not a real one.

So, you're telling me that a team is putting out a positive spin on a new, All-Star level player that they are just now working into the rotation mid-season after a significant injury, all while trying to keep one of the best players in the generation here next summer? This is unprecedented!  ;)

I mean, what else are they supposed to say: "Naw, IT needs to shoot less (because he brings to the table so much more from a basketball perspective), and we're not happy with his progress!"

And regardless of whether you want to believe it, IT's "agenda" has been clear for the last year or so with his constant discussion of Brinks trucks, getting paid, and his next contract. It's also a big reason why he's now in Cleveland rather than in Boston. He's quite simply the most obvious candidate to apply to the "agenda" narrative.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Phantom255x on January 12, 2018, 09:26:18 PM
Cavs are crushing the Pacers right now. Looks like they responded to Lue's comments well.

LOL you were saying??   :laugh:
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2018, 09:32:23 PM
IT won't like us anymore if he reads this thread ,....LOL


TP   to OP ......great topic.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2018, 09:35:10 PM
Cavs are crushing the Pacers right now. Looks like they responded to Lue's comments well.

LOL you were saying??   :laugh:

poor Lewhine .....just head for LA .....get out of our hair  ;D
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2018, 10:46:40 PM
Peeking at Cavs blog .   Their fans seem pretty sure Lue was talking about LeWhine with the agenda.

Apparently Lue wants Lebron to speed the team up .....more ball movement ......not kill the offense by doing a Rondo like game of pounding  the ball until an assist opens up.   Other words ...Lebron move the ball ,  quit holding it so long .   It seems Lue has the stats to show the past few games Le ron has slowed the ball down alot ......because he is old and his teamates are old ?    He is not listening to his coach ....sooooo whats new there ?  Nobody wants to coach him. 

I see nobody on Cavs forums supporting the IT agenda theory .   They are laying the blame square on Lebron......you know ...the guy doing all the whining and crying tantrum thing in the timeout clip.  LOl
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on January 12, 2018, 10:48:34 PM
Peeking at Cavs blog .   Their fans seem pretty sure Lue was talking about LeWhine with the agenda.

Apparently Lue wants Lebron to speed the team up .....more ball movement ......not kill the offense by doing a Rondo like game of bluncimg the ball until an assist opens up.   Other words ...Lebron move the ball ,  quit holding it so long .   It seems Lue has the stats to show the past few games Le ron has slowed the ball down alot ......because he is old and his teamates are old ?   

I see nobody on Cavs forums supporting the IT agenda theory .   They are laying the blame square on Lebron......you know ...the guy doing all the whining and crying tantrum thing in the timeout clip.  LOl

Now the question is "Does Lue last till the ASG?"
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: chilidawg on January 12, 2018, 11:10:00 PM
Cavs are crushing the Pacers right now. Looks like they responded to Lue's comments well.

LOL you were saying??   :laugh:

One good quarter.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 13, 2018, 12:09:27 AM
Cavs are crushing the Pacers right now. Looks like they responded to Lue's comments well.

LOL you were saying??   :laugh:

One good quarter.
perhaps a bit more than that. let's celebrate!!  ;D
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Sixth Man on January 13, 2018, 12:29:00 AM
Cavs blow 22 point lead and lose to the Pacers tonight.  Looks like Lance Stephenson has managed, once again, to get inside LeBron's head.  Amazing! 
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: droopdog7 on January 13, 2018, 12:47:24 AM
Anyone who surmises that Lue is referring to IT based on what was reported has an agenda.  Nothing about what we know would lead to that conclusion.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 13, 2018, 01:03:23 AM
Anyone who surmises that Lue is referring to IT based on what was reported has an agenda.  Nothing about what we know would lead to that conclusion.

I agree I don’t think it was targeted at LeBron. However, he should have emphasized that. Make a point that LeBron is leading the team and everyone should follow his lead. Love or hate him, the guy is a very smart basketball player. This team has come off the hinges. If they don’t right the ship, he’s gone. They will be stuck with the one pick from us and nothing else but bad contracts. They need to bend the knee to him.

Either that, or trade him. I assume he has a NTC, but find a place he wants to go and get something in return. Don’t rely on winning two lotteries in the next few years.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: cman88 on January 13, 2018, 08:21:06 AM
Anyone who surmises that Lue is referring to IT based on what was reported has an agenda.  Nothing about what we know would lead to that conclusion.

I agree I don’t think it was targeted at LeBron. However, he should have emphasized that. Make a point that LeBron is leading the team and everyone should follow his lead. Love or hate him, the guy is a very smart basketball player. This team has come off the hinges. If they don’t right the ship, he’s gone. They will be stuck with the one pick from us and nothing else but bad contracts. They need to bend the knee to him.

Either that, or trade him. I assume he has a NTC, but find a place he wants to go and get something in return. Don’t rely on winning two lotteries in the next few years.

I think lebron is gone anyways. Even if they make it out of the east, what happens? they will get murdered by Golden state with their defense the way it is this year...He will look for "friends" like paul george and see where he can best put together a team around him to win.

the cavs are just going the way of Miami Heat right before Lebron left. They are in the same position right now. He squeezed as much as he could out of that team..They straddle their team with poor contracts for ageing players to make lebron happy, can win for a 2-5 years. then have no flexibility to make any moves to improve their team and are doomed to lose in the finals. So lebron will leave for greener pastures and they will be stuck cleaning up the mess.

Irving saw the writing on the wall that he would be stuck with over-the hill players on big contracts on a team with no flexibility to improve or future after lebron bolts.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: ederson on January 13, 2018, 08:34:43 AM

They straddle their team with poor contracts for ageing players to make lebron happy, can win for a 2-5 years. then have no flexibility to make any moves to improve their team and are doomed to lose in the finals. So lebron will leave for greener pastures and they will be stuck cleaning up the mess.

You make it look like that this strategy was a completely failure....... They made happy the guy who pretty much guarantees you ll make it to the finals

Three trips to the finals against one of the best teams ever and the first championship after 50-60 years is not a bad haul
If i were a Cav's fan i'd be ok with it
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: cman88 on January 13, 2018, 08:43:10 AM

They straddle their team with poor contracts for ageing players to make lebron happy, can win for a 2-5 years. then have no flexibility to make any moves to improve their team and are doomed to lose in the finals. So lebron will leave for greener pastures and they will be stuck cleaning up the mess.

You make it look like that this strategy was a completely failure....... They made happy the guy who pretty much guarantees you ll make it to the finals

Three trips to the finals against one of the best teams ever and the first championship after 50-60 years is not a bad haul
If i were a Cav's fan i'd be ok with it

Oh, not saying its a failure. Any time you can bring a championship home its a success because thats the main goal.

just saying where the Cavs are now is very similar to where Miami was in their last year. There is no way for them to drastically improve their team to move the needle against the warriors. I cant see Lebron staying to make it to the finals and get blown out every year.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 13, 2018, 08:44:02 AM

They straddle their team with poor contracts for ageing players to make lebron happy, can win for a 2-5 years. then have no flexibility to make any moves to improve their team and are doomed to lose in the finals. So lebron will leave for greener pastures and they will be stuck cleaning up the mess.

You make it look like that this strategy was a completely failure....... They made happy the guy who pretty much guarantees you ll make it to the finals

Three trips to the finals against one of the best teams ever and the first championship after 50-60 years is not a bad haul
If i were a Cav's fan i'd be ok with it


Peeking at Cavs blogs ....this ^ seems to be the way they deal with their situation.  They seem to appreciate getting at least one title for Cleveland , but most that are realist admit the picture looks bleak for winning another and maybe keeping the pick is the best thing , rather than sacrificing it for Bron on "help" rent a player and can't beat GS and Lewhine leaves anyhow.

Basically ,  unless a miracle happens ,  their GM pulls a KD or Curry tupe player out his wahzoo ....the gig is up ......and LeMoney knows it .   He ll pack his family and move for sweeter pickings ..... ie..LA where the fans are starved for a star  and will pay a ransom to see him return them to greatness for a couple years .  Thank you Magic Johnson and his brother Lavar.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 13, 2018, 09:34:04 AM
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I agree I don’t think it was targeted at LeBron.

Not if he has any sense of job security.
Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: footey on January 13, 2018, 06:39:10 PM
Reports now say some Cav Players griping that Lebron is holding onto ball too much to pad his assist numbers.

He and IT are not mixing well together so far. IT standing around too much. I know he’s still recovering and will play better. Still, I am skeptical they will jell. Kyrie better suited off the ball, or to create his own shot if things breakdown. And look how hard he pushed to get out of Dodge.

Title: Re: Coach Lue calls out a Cavs player (IT?) : "get rid of agendas if guys have it”
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 13, 2018, 07:30:07 PM
Reports now say some Cav Players griping that Lebron is holding onto ball too much to pad his assist numbers.

He and IT are not mixing well together so far. IT standing around too much. I know he’s still recovering and will play better. Still, I am skeptical they will jell. Kyrie better suited off the ball, or to create his own shot if things breakdown. And look how hard he pushed to get out of Dodge.

This ^ .....  Lue wants them all to pass and share the ball more .....especially Lebron ......who has become a old Rondo pound the ball the past few games .  killing momentum