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Title: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Roy H. on January 11, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
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Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving evidently enjoyed watching former teammate LeBron James yell on the sideline during the Cleveland Cavaliers' game against the Toronto Raptors on Thursday.

In the first half of a contest that quickly became a blowout at Air Canada Centre, James yelled at what appeared to be an assistant coach in the huddle during a timeout. The Ballgod Instagram account shared a video of James' tirade, and Irving liked the post soon after.


Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 12, 2018, 12:24:22 AM
Meh, people over-analyze what "liking" something means.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Chris22 on January 12, 2018, 08:48:16 AM
Yelling at an assistant coach is not going to make your team better defenders, Lebron.
The league has figured out how to beat Cleveland.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Roy H. on January 12, 2018, 08:59:34 AM
The league has figured out how to beat Cleveland.

In January. We’ll see where they are in April.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Monkhouse on January 12, 2018, 09:00:10 AM
Kyrie is an masterful troller lol. I can tell he would be someone fun to hang around with, but eventually if there's someone on the team that's quasi-sensitive. They would roll their eyes and probably say, "you just like to troll everything you see huh Kyrie?"

"Dude, people still believe my world is flat theory, how can I not?..."

Wall would pop out of nowhere to eavesdrop in the conversation, "bro, still didn't answer my question though.. I still can't get no Kyrie's....?"
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: iadera on January 12, 2018, 09:32:36 AM
And he still thinks that Mecca-floor is a 50-years old... :laugh:
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Rosco917 on January 12, 2018, 10:50:19 AM
They gave up 133 points. The defense is getting worse and worse. What could be the problem?
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Moranis on January 12, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
I seem to recall the Cavs entering the playoffs last year 11-15 in their last 26 including losing 4 straight and that is was in February, March, and April.  I remember the Cavs at 19-20 in mid-January, Lebron's 1st season back.

Until this team does in the playoffs, there is no reason to think they won't win the east. 
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 12, 2018, 11:10:47 AM
Remember in 2010-11 when LeBron got on Twitter to gloat about the Cavs getting blown out by the Lakers? Seems like the same kind of thing. Competitive players are gonna take a bit of glee in their former team getting embarrassed.


Until this team does in the playoffs, there is no reason to think they won't win the east. 

Definitely.  Though possibly costing themselves homecourt against both Toronto and us hurts their chances.  But they're the kings of the East until they're not, and we won't find that out til May.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on January 12, 2018, 11:49:32 AM
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Title: Kyrie likes Instagram video of Lebron irate during blowout loss
Post by: CelticsElite on January 12, 2018, 03:37:54 PM
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Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: celticsclay on January 12, 2018, 05:11:36 PM
I seem to recall the Cavs entering the playoffs last year 11-15 in their last 26 including losing 4 straight and that is was in February, March, and April.  I remember the Cavs at 19-20 in mid-January, Lebron's 1st season back.

Until this team does in the playoffs, there is no reason to think they won't win the east.

They are in real danger of falling into the 4th seed in the east. They have finished 1st or 2nd every year since Lebron has been there. Equating their past success has somehow being relevant to this year's team doesn't make a lot of sense. They have never had to play multiple series on the road before in the east either.

Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: jpotter33 on January 12, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
I seem to recall the Cavs entering the playoffs last year 11-15 in their last 26 including losing 4 straight and that is was in February, March, and April.  I remember the Cavs at 19-20 in mid-January, Lebron's 1st season back.

Until this team does in the playoffs, there is no reason to think they won't win the east.

Except for the inconvenient fact that this is a completely different context with a much improved Eastern Conference and substantially different (worse) Cavs team. Apples and oranges here, Moranis.

I seem to recall the Cavs entering the playoffs last year 11-15 in their last 26 including losing 4 straight and that is was in February, March, and April.  I remember the Cavs at 19-20 in mid-January, Lebron's 1st season back.

Until this team does in the playoffs, there is no reason to think they won't win the east.

They are in real danger of falling into the 4th seed in the east. They have finished 1st or 2nd every year since Lebron has been there. Equating their past success has somehow being relevant to this year's team doesn't make a lot of sense. They have never had to play multiple series on the road before in the east either.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: cman88 on January 12, 2018, 06:41:15 PM
its easy to look at past seasons and say the cavs will figure it out......BUT Cavs have never had this bad of a defense AND been in danger of being the #3/#4 seed in the playoffs.

They have been giving up this many points all year. so it doesnt seem to be something they can just fix.

Its one thing to be taking it easy and only have to go through an over-achieving Boston team to get to the finals....its quite another to take a team that gives up as much as it scores and win 2 series on the road to get to the finals.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Moranis on January 12, 2018, 08:54:39 PM
Until the team that is 36-5 in the East the last 3 seasons actual falters in the playoffs there is no reason to expect them to falter this season, especially given the significant regular season faltering during those last 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2018, 09:19:14 PM
He should have tweeted the ...

Dang LeBron ,  " You mad bro?"      under the video ...LOL
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: cman88 on January 13, 2018, 08:14:49 AM
Until the team that is 36-5 in the East the last 3 seasons actual falters in the playoffs there is no reason to expect them to falter this season, especially given the significant regular season faltering during those last 3 seasons.

its not just regular season faltering though..... Their defense has been atrocious all year even when they were winning. They give up almost just as much as they score....that is not a winning formula and its not a case of something they can just "turn on" like seasons past where they were clearly the best team and just coasting. There is a problem there with that defense and its not getting better....IT getting healthy is not going to help that either.

maybe they still will make it out of the east, but it isnt going to be easy. Of the past years since Lebron came back this is the worst cavs team he has had.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: celticsclay on January 14, 2018, 04:43:49 AM
its easy to look at past seasons and say the cavs will figure it out......BUT Cavs have never had this bad of a defense AND been in danger of being the #3/#4 seed in the playoffs.

They have been giving up this many points all year. so it doesnt seem to be something they can just fix.

Its one thing to be taking it easy and only have to go through an over-achieving Boston team to get to the finals....its quite another to take a team that gives up as much as it scores and win 2 series on the road to get to the finals.

Well said
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: playdream on January 14, 2018, 06:57:31 AM
Until the team that is 36-5 in the East the last 3 seasons actual falters in the playoffs there is no reason to expect them to falter this season, especially given the significant regular season faltering during those last 3 seasons.
People don't see the picture, there is no meaning whatsoever for the Cavs(and all contenders) to "only win the east"
They are losers last season just as we were, get beat down 4-1 by their west opponent, (and played atrocious defense just like regular season)
and people are talking about coast through regular season like they are the defending champ. they aren't.

And there no hope at all for them to do it this year, whether it's the warriors or the team beat them

so yeah, the Cavs is in big trouble and Lebron should be worried, unless he already giveup

on the other hand we are aiming for the champ this year already and is only going to get better
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: jdz101 on January 14, 2018, 07:13:41 AM
Until the team that is 36-5 in the East the last 3 seasons actual falters in the playoffs there is no reason to expect them to falter this season, especially given the significant regular season faltering during those last 3 seasons.

This is pretty standard normalcy bias - a logical fallacy.

Just because one thing has occurred fairly systematically in the past with one group of players, does not mean its a certainty to happen again with significant changes to that set of players and their opposition.

Sure, they're probably still the favourite to win the east due to what LeBron has been like in the past, but this is the weakest LeBron Cavs roster he has had so far. They can't defend a chair. Don't blindly assume and talk down other outcomes.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Big333223 on January 14, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
Until the team that is 36-5 in the East the last 3 seasons actual falters in the playoffs there is no reason to expect them to falter this season, especially given the significant regular season faltering during those last 3 seasons.

This is pretty standard normalcy bias - a logical fallacy.

Just because one thing has occurred fairly systematically in the past with one group of players, does not mean its a certainty to happen again with significant changes to that set of players and their opposition.

Sure, they're probably still the favourite to win the east due to what LeBron has been like in the past, but this is the weakest LeBron Cavs roster he has had so far. They can't defend a chair. Don't blindly assume and talk down other outcomes.
Sort of. But it's also true that since Lebron has returned to the Cavs, they've won between 51 and 57 games, had a mediocre-to-bad defense during the regular season and then rampaged through the East in the playoffs. While this is definitely the worst the defense has looked for them over that stretch, they're still on pace for the same 51 wins they had last year even though they've been without a competent starting PG for basically the entire season (and are still without one until IT gets right).

Maybe there's some normalcy bias but I think it would be smart to keep in mind that this team has a history of this kind of underwhelming regular season performances before we write them off.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: celticsclay on January 14, 2018, 06:31:32 PM
Until the team that is 36-5 in the East the last 3 seasons actual falters in the playoffs there is no reason to expect them to falter this season, especially given the significant regular season faltering during those last 3 seasons.

This is pretty standard normalcy bias - a logical fallacy.

Just because one thing has occurred fairly systematically in the past with one group of players, does not mean its a certainty to happen again with significant changes to that set of players and their opposition.

Sure, they're probably still the favourite to win the east due to what LeBron has been like in the past, but this is the weakest LeBron Cavs roster he has had so far. They can't defend a chair. Don't blindly assume and talk down other outcomes.
Sort of. But it's also true that since Lebron has returned to the Cavs, they've won between 51 and 57 games, had a mediocre-to-bad defense during the regular season and then rampaged through the East in the playoffs. While this is definitely the worst the defense has looked for them over that stretch, they're still on pace for the same 51 wins they had last year even though they've been without a competent starting PG for basically the entire season (and are still without one until IT gets right).

Maybe there's some normalcy bias but I think it would be smart to keep in mind that this team has a history of this kind of underwhelming regular season performances before we write them off.

All those teams all had Irving. Which is very very significant in a playoff game. Maybe IT can get to that level, but a lot of people on this board argued Irving was a better player even when he was on the cavs. I actually thought IT was better for
A bit but it was because of irvings defense being as bad as ITs (which is no longer true imo)
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Ogaju on January 14, 2018, 07:36:23 PM
Until the team that is 36-5 in the East the last 3 seasons actual falters in the playoffs there is no reason to expect them to falter this season, especially given the significant regular season faltering during those last 3 seasons.

So you are saying until someone actually beats the Cavs in the east, there is no reason to expect them to lose in the east? Wow, that is a high standard especially when there have been changes to all rosters in the east just by the fact that everyone has grown a year older.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Snakehead on January 14, 2018, 07:40:30 PM
The regular season only means so much but being so bad on defense for this long does matter.  Cavs don't look great.

As a C's fan, I still think it will be a very tough go on offense without a Hayward to help Kyrie get less of a defense's focus and it will ultimately be similar to past seasons.  Would like to be wrong but that's my expectations now.  The X factor is the defense, which if it THAT good can get them to the Finals at least from what I have seen from the Cavs.  Still a lot of season to go though.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Vermont Green on January 14, 2018, 09:30:09 PM
At the start of the season,  I believed that the Cavs were the team to beat.  I thought Crowder and IT gave them depth at the expense of the better player (Irving), I thought they would get enough out of Rose and Wade, and of course there was still LeBron.

I still think a "big 3" of Bron, Love, and IT is pretty good but I have to admit that I am starting to have my doubts.  I now believe that the Cavs are beatable.  Irving may have been right.  LeBron is just not coachable and no one wants to play under the scenario.  Maybe they should bring in Phil Jackson.  He might just do it.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: nickagneta on January 14, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
Lebron teams have never been lower than the 2nd seed in a conference when getting through to the Finals. If they end up as the third seed or less that means having to go through both Boston and Toronto without home field advantage. With Lebron getting older and playing tons of regular season minutes, given he could be thinking about leaving after this season, if the Cavs fall behind in a series, I could see Lebron packing it in like he has a couple of othef times in the past.

Don't see Cleveland making it to the Finals this year. Different team. Different circumstances. And you can't expect future success in this year's playoffs based on past success in other years.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: celticsclay on January 14, 2018, 10:26:30 PM
Lebron teams have never been lower than the 2nd seed in a conference when getting through to the Finals. If they end up as the third seed or less that means having to go through both Boston and Toronto without home field advantage. With Lebron getting older and playing tons of regular season minutes, given he could be thinking about leaving after this season, if the Cavs fall behind in a series, I could see Lebron packing it in like he has a couple of othef times in the past.

Don't see Cleveland making it to the Finals this year. Different team. Different circumstances. And you can't expect future success in this year's playoffs based on past success in other years.

Very well said Nick. There is a big difference between being the second seed and 4th or 5th which is where they are headed. After tomorrow they could have the same record as Miami (essentially). Think about that.
Title: Re: Kyrie throwing shade at Lebron?
Post by: Androslav on January 15, 2018, 02:53:20 AM
Lebron teams have never been lower than the 2nd seed in a conference when getting through to the Finals. If they end up as the third seed or less that means having to go through both Boston and Toronto without home field advantage. With Lebron getting older and playing tons of regular season minutes, given he could be thinking about leaving after this season, if the Cavs fall behind in a series, I could see Lebron packing it in like he has a couple of other times in the past.

Don't see Cleveland making it to the Finals this year. Different team. Different circumstances. And you can't expect future success in this year's playoffs based on past success in other years.

Very well said Nick. There is a big difference between being the second seed and 4th or 5th which is where they are headed. After tomorrow they could have the same record as Miami (essentially). Think about that.
Another nice post Nick. TP.