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Title: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 11, 2018, 10:00:17 PM
He hasn't shot the ball well for a while.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Phantom255x on January 11, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
Just a cold stretch it seems, he'll be fine.

It's nice to see others stepping up for the time being though.

Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 11, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
iriving's shooting stats:

3 pointers for career
38.4%

3 pointers this year
39.2%

2 pointers for career
49%

2 pointers this year
52.7%

FT for career
87.4%

FT this year
88.3%

i am not worried.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: GreenWarrior on January 11, 2018, 10:22:29 PM
better now than in march/april.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 11, 2018, 11:05:56 PM
No one has answered my question.

Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Roy H. on January 11, 2018, 11:09:57 PM
No one has answered my question.

Answer: Nothing. Its a 4-game mini-slump.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 11, 2018, 11:22:07 PM
I wonder if he has an injury.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: nickagneta on January 11, 2018, 11:26:53 PM
I wonder if he has an injury.
Why does he have to be injured? Why can't he just be in a mini-slump? Happens every year to every great player.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: KGs Knee on January 12, 2018, 01:29:17 AM
iriving's shooting stats:

3 pointers for career
38.4%

3 pointers this year
39.2%

2 pointers for career
49%

2 pointers this year
52.7%

FT for career
87.4%

FT this year
88.3%

i am not worried.


Hopefully this puts things in perspective for the OP.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Androslav on January 12, 2018, 02:25:04 AM
iriving's shooting stats:

3 pointers for career
38.4%

3 pointers this year
39.2%

2 pointers for career
49%

2 pointers this year
52.7%

FT for career
87.4%

FT this year
88.3%

i am not worried.


Hopefully this puts things in perspective for the OP.
Pretty much it.
The guy is a sick shooter.
A friendly suggestion to the OP:
Don't view single quarters as relevant sample sizes. :)
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: MasterEmile on January 12, 2018, 03:06:15 AM
Kyrie is seing a lot of double and triple teams, especially in the paint, and there's no Lbj or Gordon Hayward to draw the attention away from him.
Anyone who plays basketball knows that it is very frustrating not being able to score, especially if your main role is scoring so you start forcing shots.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 12, 2018, 08:46:36 AM
Kyrie is seing a lot of double and triple teams, especially in the paint, and there's no Lbj or Gordon Hayward to draw the attention away from him.
Anyone who plays basketball knows that it is very frustrating not being able to score, especially if your main role is scoring so you start forcing shots.

Could be.
But his open 3s are hitting the front rim.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Monkhouse on January 12, 2018, 08:55:13 AM
Kyrie is seing a lot of double and triple teams, especially in the paint, and there's no Lbj or Gordon Hayward to draw the attention away from him.
Anyone who plays basketball knows that it is very frustrating not being able to score, especially if your main role is scoring so you start forcing shots.

Could be.
But his open 3s are hitting the front rim.

Everyone has pretty much answered your question and hwangjjni has also added stats to back up your 'claim.'

To answer your statement, "Maybe, maybe not." Did you know hes also averaging 7.8 RPG during his mini-slump? Every great players go through a slump, but even better players make up on other ends of the box score to do so.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: chiken Green on January 12, 2018, 11:19:26 AM
May just be a little tired... He is definitely pouring a lot more into the Defensive side than he ever has before.. Gotta think that that will take it's toll, especially in his first year with us..

With that said IF Kyrie's slumping has anything to do with this winning streak then keep slumping...

It's interesting watching him in this "mini-slump" because he never seems to be "trying" to shoot his way out of it... He continues getting other guys into good rhythms...   This is helping us win because other guys carry us through Quarters (not games, just Quarters) 

He is still producing at an elite level for us...  definitely the catalyst to our success.

Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Big333223 on January 12, 2018, 06:51:04 PM
Nothing. The season is long and there are hot streaks and cold streaks. 4 games where he hasn't shot all that well (but the team has won anyways) concerns me zero.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2018, 10:52:35 PM
flat earth
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 13, 2018, 08:11:39 AM
flat earth

Lol
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: cman88 on January 13, 2018, 08:21:49 AM
hes going through a slump right now. but a month ago he was shooting over 50% on everything, so he will get out of it.

most important thing is we are still winning.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 16, 2018, 11:17:48 PM
8-24 with 6 turnovers and a minus 8.

Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: green_bballers13 on January 16, 2018, 11:25:59 PM
I went to the game tonight. Kyrie didn't seem to have an issue. The shots that he hit looked good. My takeaway was not that Kyrie (and his 27 pts) was an issue.

My takeaway was a) Anthony Davis is a top 5 player in the league and B) the Pelicans are better than I thought. I would love to see them cause some turmoil in the playoffs.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: mmmmm on January 16, 2018, 11:50:10 PM
Less concerned about Kyrie's shooting than with some of the poor decision making and tendency to stray from involving his teammates.

Tonight's game had some egregious examples down the stretch, but this has been an issue for a while.

One of Al Horford's comments post-game seemed to allude to the hero-ball problem, though he did not specifically call out Kyrie or Smart by name (even though they were the clear culprits).
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: green_bballers13 on January 17, 2018, 12:10:29 AM
Less concerned about Kyrie's shooting than with some of the poor decision making and tendency to stray from involving his teammates.

Tonight's game had some egregious examples down the stretch, but this has been an issue for a while.

One of Al Horford's comments post-game seemed to allude to the hero-ball problem, though he did not specifically call out Kyrie or Smart by name (even though they were the clear culprits).

I'm glad Horford gave an interview tonight. I wasn't actually sure if he was in the building.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: mmmmm on January 17, 2018, 12:57:14 AM
Less concerned about Kyrie's shooting than with some of the poor decision making and tendency to stray from involving his teammates.

Tonight's game had some egregious examples down the stretch, but this has been an issue for a while.

One of Al Horford's comments post-game seemed to allude to the hero-ball problem, though he did not specifically call out Kyrie or Smart by name (even though they were the clear culprits).

I'm glad Horford gave an interview tonight. I wasn't actually sure if he was in the building.

Well, I don't think Kyrie or Marcus remembered that he or Tatum were in the building at times.   When two of your most efficient scorers combine for just 15 shots while Marcus Smart takes 14 shots, something is wrong with your offense.

Kyrie took 24 shots to score 27 points.  Just 2 assists.  That's not good point creation.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: celts55 on January 17, 2018, 08:11:08 AM
So I'm probably going to get some flak, but am i the only one who's not that thrilled with his game in general?
He's got a great handle and can dominate at times, but looks totally disinterested at other times. The start of last nights game was a perfect example. He played like he'd rather be anywhere else. Zero energy, gave the ball up as soon as he got over half court.
Then in the second half was the other Kyrie that i'm also not that excited about. The I'm getting mine one. Granted, he had a really good shooting third, but I've seen a lot of players have them.
Then the last few minutes of the game, the refused the give up the ball. Dribbled until the clock was almost gone, and take an ill advised shot. I really thought he cost them the game, as they were up 5, with the ball. Not the first time he's done this either. Can't count how many long 3's he's taken near the end of games. Sure, if he hits them is great, but not the shot i want to see.
I know he's an all-star and all, and as I said he can dominate, but i'm just not as thrilled with his game a s others seem to be.

Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 17, 2018, 08:39:18 AM
So I'm probably going to get some flak, but am i the only one who's not that thrilled with his game in general?
He's got a great handle and can dominate at times, but looks totally disinterested at other times. The start of last nights game was a perfect example. He played like he'd rather be anywhere else. Zero energy, gave the ball up as soon as he got over half court.
Then in the second half was the other Kyrie that i'm also not that excited about. The I'm getting mine one. Granted, he had a really good shooting third, but I've seen a lot of players have them.
Then the last few minutes of the game, the refused the give up the ball. Dribbled until the clock was almost gone, and take an ill advised shot. I really thought he cost them the game, as they were up 5, with the ball. Not the first time he's done this either. Can't count how many long 3's he's taken near the end of games. Sure, if he hits them is great, but not the shot i want to see.
I know he's an all-star and all, and as I said he can dominate, but i'm just not as thrilled with his game a s others seem to be.

He's not the same player he was at the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: seancally on January 17, 2018, 09:22:08 AM
So I'm probably going to get some flak, but am i the only one who's not that thrilled with his game in general?
He's got a great handle and can dominate at times, but looks totally disinterested at other times. The start of last nights game was a perfect example. He played like he'd rather be anywhere else. Zero energy, gave the ball up as soon as he got over half court.
Then in the second half was the other Kyrie that i'm also not that excited about. The I'm getting mine one. Granted, he had a really good shooting third, but I've seen a lot of players have them.
Then the last few minutes of the game, the refused the give up the ball. Dribbled until the clock was almost gone, and take an ill advised shot. I really thought he cost them the game, as they were up 5, with the ball. Not the first time he's done this either. Can't count how many long 3's he's taken near the end of games. Sure, if he hits them is great, but not the shot i want to see.
I know he's an all-star and all, and as I said he can dominate, but i'm just not as thrilled with his game a s others seem to be.

He's not the same player he was at the beginning of the season.

He’s an imperfect player with room to grow and he’s young enough to do so. Still - the whole team was flat and unready last night. First game in awhile and I’m not surprised with that effort - too much time off is not always a good thing. But you know, they’re the top team in the east, close to top overall, and missing one of (if not) their best overall player. Kyrie knows he’s The Dude on this team right now and we’ll take the good with the bad. He also got the steal toward the end of the game after missing that three.

I don’t think he’s about “I’m getting mine,” I think he wants to win and feels he needs to be The Dude and try to take over. Let’s not forget this team is brand new and they’ll have moments when individuals think they need to take over for the team to win, when really trust and ball movement is the key.

We’ll be fine, Kyrie will be fine, and among elite point guards in the league he is both one of the best and one of the youngest.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Chris22 on January 17, 2018, 04:33:42 PM
So I'm probably going to get some flak, but am i the only one who's not that thrilled with his game in general?
He's got a great handle and can dominate at times, but looks totally disinterested at other times. The start of last nights game was a perfect example. He played like he'd rather be anywhere else. Zero energy, gave the ball up as soon as he got over half court.
Then in the second half was the other Kyrie that i'm also not that excited about. The I'm getting mine one. Granted, he had a really good shooting third, but I've seen a lot of players have them.
Then the last few minutes of the game, the refused the give up the ball. Dribbled until the clock was almost gone, and take an ill advised shot. I really thought he cost them the game, as they were up 5, with the ball. Not the first time he's done this either. Can't count how many long 3's he's taken near the end of games. Sure, if he hits them is great, but not the shot i want to see.
I know he's an all-star and all, and as I said he can dominate, but i'm just not as thrilled with his game a s others seem to be.

He's not the same player he was at the beginning of the season.

Hes an imperfect player with room to grow and hes young enough to do so. Still - the whole team was flat and unready last night. First game in awhile and Im not surprised with that effort - too much time off is not always a good thing. But you know, theyre the top team in the east, close to top overall, and missing one of (if not) their best overall player. Kyrie knows hes The Dude on this team right now and well take the good with the bad. He also got the steal toward the end of the game after missing that three.

I dont think hes about Im getting mine, I think he wants to win and feels he needs to be The Dude and try to take over. Lets not forget this team is brand new and theyll have moments when individuals think they need to take over for the team to win, when really trust and ball movement is the key.

Well be fine, Kyrie will be fine, and among elite point guards in the league he is both one of the best and one of the youngest.

He has a shoulder injury. I bet he has had it for a while.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: tenn_smoothie on January 17, 2018, 04:36:50 PM
He takes bad shots outside of their offense after dribbling away the shot clock.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Vermont Green on January 17, 2018, 04:50:05 PM
January has not been pretty for him but we are 4-1 in those 5 games with wins over CLE and MIN.  I would not leap to the conclusions that something is wrong though, at least not yet.  I will go out on a limb here and predict that he will be better in the next 5 games in terms of shooting percentage.
Title: Re: What is wrong with Kyrie's shooting?
Post by: Big333223 on January 17, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
I think the early success has overshadowed that Kyrie is still trying to figure out the balance of his role on this team. He's expected to be both the go-to scorer but also the guy who gets others involved but somehow he's supposed to do both of those things without dominating the ball. And he's learning how to do this with new teammates and new coaches in a new environment.

During preseason, I think there was consensus that this team was going to need some time to figure things out and before they gel but because they've won so much, we're forgetting that that's still the case and I think that's what's happening with Kyrie.

Eventually he'll find that balance. I'm not worried.