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Title: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: cman88 on January 07, 2018, 10:46:53 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21991857/lavar-ball-says-los-angeles-lakers-coach-luke-walton-lost-team

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BIRSTONAS, Lithuania -- LaVar Ball says Los Angeles Lakers coach Luke Walton has lost the team.

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Lithuanian team revamps games for Ball bros.
The Lithuanian team that signed LiAngelo and LaMelo Ball has withdrawn from one of its leagues and instead will play in the Big Baller Brand Challenge, a series of five "friendly" games, in an effort to get the brothers extensive playing time.

Ball, who was up at 5 a.m. local time Saturday to watch his son Lonzo Ball in his first game back with the Lakers since suffering a sprained shoulder on Dec. 23, expressed his frustration with Walton in an exclusive interview with ESPN.

"You can see they're not playing for Luke no more," Ball said from a spa resort in Birstonas, where he is staying while his two youngest sons, LiAngelo and LaMelo, get ready to make their professional debuts with Lithuanian team Prienu Vytautas. "Luke doesn't have control of the team no more. They don't want to play for him."

"That's a good team," he added of the Lakers, who have lost nine straight games. "Nobody wants to play for him. I can see it. No high-fives when they come out of the game. People don't know why they're in the game. He's too young. He's too young. ... He ain't connecting with them anymore. You can look at every player, he's not connecting with not one player."

LaVar Ball has had issues with his sons' coaches the past few years and even pulled LaMelo from Chino Hills High prior to the start of the season because of problems with first-year coach Dennis Latimore.

"Lonzo looked good, but he also looked disgusted," Ball said. "He was ready to play. Four minutes left in the first quarter, he dunked it, getting in a flow and Coach sits him down. Sat him down. Now game goes from four points to 10 to 15 to 20. I don't know what they're doing. If he's ready to play, let him play. Don't try and monitor no minutes, put on restrictions."

Lonzo Ball, who missed six games with the injury, finished with 11 points and five assists in 27 minutes in the Lakers' 108-94 loss to Charlotte.

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Lavar Ball also said he is confident that LeBron James, whom he has never met, will be coming to the Lakers this offseason as a free agent.


"LeBron's coming to L.A. I know he's coming to L.A.," Ball said. "LeBron is not a fool. What's the only way he can beat Jordan? You can't get more championships. Only one way, to say every team I've gone to I've won a championship. Go to Lakers and win a championship, then you're better than Jordan.

"You can't give my son the best player in the league, and don't expect them not to win. Get rid of everybody. Give him LeBron and Gelo [LiAngelo Ball]. You got a 2 and a 3. And it's a win. It's a wrap. Then all you need are two rebounders -- [Julius] Randle and [Larry] Nance Jr."

But even with James, Ball doesn't feel that Walton is the right man to lead the Lakers to a title.

"Even if you bring in a LeBron or a [Paul] George, he can't coach them guys," he said. "What is he gonna tell them? He's too young. He has no control."

haha, hopefully this leads to the lakers imploding even more giving us a top pick
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: CelticsElite on January 07, 2018, 10:49:07 AM
the implosion of the lakers continues.. at first i wasnt the biggest fan of lavar. now i love him! Hes the best thing to happen to us. hes going to continue causing friction on the lakers, confusing the squad that needs to be loyal to the coach but also needs to be loyal to their point guard lonzo.... who will they choose? what will they do? lol

 "Nobody wants to play for him. I can see it. No high-fives when they come out of the game."

"Lonzo looked good, but he also looked disgusted," Ball said. "He was ready to play. Four minutes left in the first quarter, he dunked it, getting in a flow and Coach sits him down. Sat him down. Now game goes from four points to 10 to 15 to 20. I don't know what they're doing. If he's ready to play, let him play. Don't try and monitor no minutes, put on restrictions."


Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2018, 10:50:10 AM
Oh wow what a horrible comment to publicly make hile your kid is play n for that team.

Luke might want knock that dudes teeth out .
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: Eja117 on January 07, 2018, 10:52:46 AM
I cannot believe Lavar Ball is a cancer to the Lakers from half way around the world
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
And many or us here fear d this exact thing .....take Lonzo and you have this money hungry , big mouth clown disrupting the franchise .

Glade that family is on the west coast.

Please stay there.
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 07, 2018, 11:04:53 AM
GOAT tank commander

Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: Moranis on January 07, 2018, 11:14:40 AM
Lakers let this happen by not putting their foot down immediately
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: cman88 on January 07, 2018, 11:14:47 AM
Oh wow what a horrible comment to publicly make hile your kid is play n for that team.

Luke might want knock that dudes teeth out .


I can imagine it must create friction within the team-mates as well. Having Austin rivers on the clippers is part of the reason suppsedly chris paul left.
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: Tr1boy on January 07, 2018, 11:18:51 AM
shaddap Lavar...

Lakers need Walton.....  ;D
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: Jiri Welsch on January 07, 2018, 11:21:29 AM
I can’t imagine being the son of this bloviator and allowing him to continue to talk and make every decision for me.

Poor kid.
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: Roy H. on January 07, 2018, 11:24:44 AM
I can’t imagine being the son of this bloviator and allowing him to continue to talk and make every decision for me.

Poor kid.

I’d say “punk kid”. He’s a man. He should speak for himself, and stand up to his father.
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: Androslav on January 07, 2018, 11:25:14 AM
We haven't been able to trash Lakers this good in 10 years.
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: jpotter33 on January 07, 2018, 11:42:52 AM
This is almost too good to be true. But the Lakers brought this upon themselves by drafting Ball knowing full well that meant dealing with Lavar, too, along with not setting boundaries with him earlier.

You almost feel bad for Lonzo. He seems like a decent enough guy. But on the other hand at his age he should also realize what a joke his father is and what kind of damage he is doing to his career.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 07, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
I believe some of the criticism against Lavar and his family is unwarranted BUT his comments HERE are unnecessary and not true.

Lakers - when completely healthy - are a competitive team on most nights. But Ingram has been hurt, Lopez and Lonzo have been hurt as well and that has resulted in the losing streak.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: hodgy03038 on January 07, 2018, 12:00:32 PM
I am just loving this drama that Lavar is creating in LA. Keep it going Lavar!!
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 07, 2018, 12:10:36 PM
You know, I went back and watched his FULL interview with Jeff Goodman and his comments don't seem THAT bad, now...

He DiD state that his comments were just HIS opinion, and that he hadn't spoken to his son.

Not as bad now, to me, after watching the full interview.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2018, 12:14:53 PM
so many of us knew this would happen.   That clown can't keep his trap shut.   

He is famous for being a big mouth .....he promotes his self this way , by saying outrageous stuff to make news.  Just not the type person I dwant my organization to be associated with.
Without regard to consequence ...how it might hurt his son.
Wonder if Lakers decide to trade Ball what that might do to his value.    I was against drafting him because of the idot gamily he belongs to.   He should tell the old man to,take a hike , you ruining my career .
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: bknova on January 07, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
Even if the Lakers wanted to fire Walton, they can't now.  hahaha!  They are so backed into a corner. 
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: footey on January 07, 2018, 12:22:11 PM
We all knew LaVar was a narcissist from day one.

What’s up with Jeff Goodman following that pathetic group to Lithuania? ESPN is such a ratings “rhymes with 4”.

Magic’s lack of leadership as GM bears some of the responsibility. Should have told that man to stay away from the team and put a gag order on him. Or else.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Rosco917 on January 07, 2018, 12:36:09 PM
So many have predicted exactly what is happening right now. I love it!

Come-on Lavar we faith in you, you could easily run the Lakers AND schlep sneakers on the side.

That Laker pick is looking gooooooood.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: bdm860 on January 07, 2018, 12:39:05 PM
The quoted article in the OP misses one of the best parts, the 2nd paragraph here:

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"Lonzo looked good, but he also looked disgusted," Ball said. "He was ready to play. Four minutes left in the first quarter, he dunked it, getting in a flow and Coach sits him down. Sat him down. Now game goes from four points to 10 to 15 to 20. I don't know what they're doing. If he's ready to play, let him play. Don't try and monitor no minutes, put on restrictions."

When Lonzo Ball was replaced by Kyle Kuzma with 4:38 left in the first quarter of Friday night's 108-94 loss to the Charlotte Hornets, the Lakers were down 22-18. When Ball re-entered the game to start the second quarter, they were down 28-24. Ball, who missed six games with the injury, finished with 11 points and five assists in 27 minutes.

Also Lonzo was a team worst -24.  No other starter was more than -6.  Not that I expected LaVar to be rational or anything...
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 07, 2018, 01:02:44 PM
Translation " I am not a good nba player so I will blame the coach!"
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: OnPoint on January 07, 2018, 01:08:04 PM
I’m with Bill Simmons when said that the Lakers should use Ball to rid themselves of Deng and Clarkson.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: CelticSooner on January 07, 2018, 01:13:45 PM
I’m with Bill Simmons when said that the Lakers should use Ball to rid themselves of Deng and Clarkson.

If they plan on getting LeBron next year they may as well because Ball can’t play with him.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 07, 2018, 01:24:41 PM
We all knew LaVar was a narcissist from day one.

What’s up with Jeff Goodman following that pathetic group to Lithuania? ESPN is such a ratings “rhymes with 4”.

Magic’s lack of leadership as GM bears some of the responsibility. Should have told that man to stay away from the team and put a gag order on him. Or else.
snore??  ;D
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: blink on January 07, 2018, 02:05:17 PM
I’m with Bill Simmons when said that the Lakers should use Ball to rid themselves of Deng and Clarkson.

If they plan on getting LeBron next year they may as well because Ball can’t play with him.

Well, can't and won't.  Why would the best player in the world use fee agency to step into that Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.-storm?  No good players , except Kuzma - who plays lebron's exact position, no hope of winning a title anytime soon, and in the background having Lavar buzzing like a bad noise making machine.  Lebron has put himself in good situations every time he switched teams, you think he is going to not do that now? 

Lavar is like a bad high school parent complaining about the coach.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 07, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
We all knew LaVar was a narcissist from day one.

What’s up with Jeff Goodman following that pathetic group to Lithuania? ESPN is such a ratings “rhymes with 4”.

Magic’s lack of leadership as GM bears some of the responsibility. Should have told that man to stay away from the team and put a gag order on him. Or else.
snore??  ;D

Ratings BORE, I bet.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2018, 02:14:35 PM
This type of organization is exactly what Lebron craves ....one that is totally disfunctional , that will hand him the keys to coach , and play a role in players brought in and basically dictate the personality the club takes.  Yes men what Lewhine wants. 

They have more momey than brains in Lakers Front office .  All rich kids .  Lebron will be more than happy to run their franchise and take their millions  :D
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: KGs Knee on January 07, 2018, 02:24:42 PM
Lonzo had better grow some 'balls' and tell his old man to shut the heck up.   I said it before he ever became a pro, and it's only proving to be more and more true.

But if wants to let his father act like an idiot and take him and the Lakers down with him it's fine by me.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2018, 02:39:27 PM
Magic sold his hate of the Lakers former front office with the willing help of the media,  found an dummy ....Jeannie Buss to fall for his rhetoric he pushed on TV at every chance.   She fell for the non sense , return to Showtime glitter of her dads era.

She is nothing but a rich girl , not qualiifed to run a Burger King .

Now Magic is dumb enough to buy i to Lavar. " Mr Haney " of basketballs trash talk and take his son in the draft . 

Kuzma and Ingram are the best players on the team . not Lonzo

Maybe the correct answer is for Jeannie BUsT to put on grown up pants and fire Magic and trade Lonzo and put the franchise back on a clear course , instead of a pipe dream
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: kraidstar on January 07, 2018, 02:49:26 PM
If I'm the Lakers players and organization I'm not happy at all with this.

LeVar says he's not speaking for Lonzo. But how do we know this? How do we know that Lonzo isn't leaking anything to his dad?

The fact that Lonzo doesn't get out in the media and vehemently deny this stuff just gives it legs. It undermines the entire organization.

And it tells me he's either a snake or a coward.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Tr1boy on January 07, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
Lonzo had better grow some 'balls' and tell his old man to shut the heck up.   I said it before he ever became a pro, and it's only proving to be more and more true.

But if wants to let his father act like an idiot and take him and the Lakers down with him it's fine by me.

He will never do that

Ball kids are scared if lavar lol
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: droopdog7 on January 07, 2018, 04:51:37 PM
NM.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Tr1boy on January 07, 2018, 04:55:09 PM
Just trade lonzo ...problem solved.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Kuberski33 on January 07, 2018, 04:59:03 PM
Magic sold his hate of the Lakers former front office with the willing help of the media,  found an dummy ....Jeannie Buss to fall for his rhetoric he pushed on TV at every chance.   She fell for the non sense , return to Showtime glitter of her dads era.

She is nothing but a rich girl , not qualiifed to run a Burger King .

Now Magic is dumb enough to buy i to Lavar. " Mr Haney " of basketballs trash talk and take his son in the draft . 

Kuzma and Ingram are the best players on the team . not Lonzo

Maybe the correct answer is for Jeannie BUsT to put on grown up pants and fire Magic and trade Lonzo and put the franchise back on a clear course , instead of a pipe dream
I wouldn't go that far but its starting to become apparent that Magic blew his first major move to rebuild the Lakers.  I'm not sure how much trade value Ball has because Lavar is part of the package.  If you deal him you're not getting equal value back.  And if you keep him, you have one giant headache that's not going away anytime soon. 
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 07, 2018, 05:14:41 PM
I can’t imagine being the son of this bloviator and allowing him to continue to talk and make every decision for me.

Poor kid.

I’d say “punk kid”. He’s a man. He should speak for himself, and stand up to his father.

Well... 20 years old is a young man.  Can't say that I could put myself in his shoes.  It's possible that Lonzo argues with his father in private. He also might love his father and/or feel indebted and loyal to him -- that would be understandable, wouldn't it?    If Ivanka wants Donald to stop tweeting, what would she do?  Tell him to knock it off, and if he doesn't, what do you do? -- tell him you hate him, tell him he's ruining your life, and then stomp away?   Lonzo has a tough row to hoe with this dad, and standing up to him may come with complex consequences that maybe he is/ maybe he isn't ready to handle.  The fact that he's playing NBA ball, and is still a promising player, is impressive.  He seems to be doing pretty well under the circumstances.

And how in the world do any of us know that Lavar is still making every decision for Lonzo?  I'll bet anything that this isn't true.   
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: GreenWarrior on January 07, 2018, 05:33:37 PM
as much as i'm glad to hear the Lakers having to deal with this, I still can't stand the fact that i'm going to hear about this for the next 20 yrs.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Ogaju on January 07, 2018, 05:40:42 PM
Magic sold his hate of the Lakers former front office with the willing help of the media,  found an dummy ....Jeannie Buss to fall for his rhetoric he pushed on TV at every chance.   She fell for the non sense , return to Showtime glitter of her dads era.

She is nothing but a rich girl , not qualiifed to run a Burger King .

Now Magic is dumb enough to buy i to Lavar. " Mr Haney " of basketballs trash talk and take his son in the draft . 

Kuzma and Ingram are the best players on the team . not Lonzo

Maybe the correct answer is for Jeannie BUsT to put on grown up pants and fire Magic and trade Lonzo and put the franchise back on a clear course , instead of a pipe dream

Are you kidding? They already have the showtime coach cant you see Luke has the Pat Riley hair and suits down. Now they have the assist first PG like Magic. Give it time, give it time. lol.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Ogaju on January 07, 2018, 05:42:21 PM
If I'm the Lakers players and organization I'm not happy at all with this.

LeVar says he's not speaking for Lonzo. But how do we know this? How do we know that Lonzo isn't leaking anything to his dad?

The fact that Lonzo doesn't get out in the media and vehemently deny this stuff just gives it legs. It undermines the entire organization.

And it tells me he's either a snake or a coward.

Does Lonzo have an agent? Is it Lavar?
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Ogaju on January 07, 2018, 05:43:09 PM
Just trade lonzo ...problem solved.

Yeah, and what idiot GM will take this problem player/Dad combo?
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: gouki88 on January 07, 2018, 06:42:57 PM
I believe some of the criticism against Lavar and his family is unwarranted BUT his comments HERE are unnecessary and not true.

Lakers - when completely healthy - are a competitive team on most nights. But Ingram has been hurt, Lopez and Lonzo have been hurt as well and that has resulted in the losing streak.
Lonzo being hurt has been beneficial for their team, he's a constant negative.

Also, they were only competitive when they had their easy start to the year. Against actual decent opposition they've shown how trash they truly are
Title: Re: Lavar ball: "lakers dont want to play for luke walton"
Post by: kraidstar on January 07, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
I can’t imagine being the son of this bloviator and allowing him to continue to talk and make every decision for me.

Poor kid.

I’d say “punk kid”. He’s a man. He should speak for himself, and stand up to his father.

Well... 20 years old is a young man.  Can't say that I could put myself in his shoes.  It's possible that Lonzo argues with his father in private. He also might love his father and/or feel indebted and loyal to him -- that would be understandable, wouldn't it?    If Ivanka wants Donald to stop tweeting, what would she do?  Tell him to knock it off, and if he doesn't, what do you do? -- tell him you hate him, tell him he's ruining your life, and then stomp away?   Lonzo has a tough row to hoe with this dad, and standing up to him may come with complex consequences that maybe he is/ maybe he isn't ready to handle.  The fact that he's playing NBA ball, and is still a promising player, is impressive.  He seems to be doing pretty well under the circumstances.

And how in the world do any of us know that Lavar is still making every decision for Lonzo?  I'll bet anything that this isn't true.

A much better example would be if Ivanka was tweeting offensive things and then Trump was afraid to tell her to stop.

Lonzo was the #2 pick in a stacked NBA draft. LeVar is a mouth. Lonzo has the real power here.

All Lonzo has to say is "My father is highly opinionated and I strongly disagree with those positions, they do not reflect my own, I fully support this coach and organization. I have privately urged him to stop making disruptive statements like these."

If LaVar can't handle a little rebuke like that then Lonzo should flat out disown him. Cause people like that don't change and aren't worth the time. And on top of that Lonzo IMO is in legitimate danger of having his career ruined.

Seriously.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: kraidstar on January 07, 2018, 07:07:18 PM
If I'm the Lakers players and organization I'm not happy at all with this.

LeVar says he's not speaking for Lonzo. But how do we know this? How do we know that Lonzo isn't leaking anything to his dad?

The fact that Lonzo doesn't get out in the media and vehemently deny this stuff just gives it legs. It undermines the entire organization.

And it tells me he's either a snake or a coward.

Does Lonzo have an agent? Is it Lavar?

Harrison Gaines, who is basically a friend of the family and started his agency to represent the Ball brothers.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/28/lonzo-ball-agent-lakers-nba-draft-lavar-ball-harrison-gaines
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: kraidstar on January 07, 2018, 07:12:56 PM
Lonzo is looking more like a snake than a coward right now.

When asked if he liked playing for Walton, and if Walton is a good coach, he replied:

"I'll play for anybody."

This feeds the narrative that his dad might in fact be speaking as his mouthpiece after all.

I listened to the whole interview and he offered a couple token praises for the coach and team, but IMO didn't sound very sincere. There is something in his demeanor (sullen entitlement?) that makes me think he's not much of a leader.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-lonzo-ball-on-whether-he-likes-luke-walton-as-a-coach-ill-play-for-anybody/
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 07, 2018, 07:14:05 PM
*Insert “I love this song” meme*
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Who on January 07, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
I can't imagine Lonzo is too happy right now. He is playing badly and he knows it. Hard for him not to think, or at least wonder, if he'd be doing better with a different coach / system.

I don't think it's Walton's fault. It is just a bad team. And Lonzo is a bad player (right now).
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: moiso on January 07, 2018, 07:48:47 PM
I believe some of the criticism against Lavar and his family is unwarranted BUT his comments HERE are unnecessary and not true.

Lakers - when completely healthy - are a competitive team on most nights. But Ingram has been hurt, Lopez and Lonzo have been hurt as well and that has resulted in the losing streak.
Lonzo being hurt has been beneficial for their team, he's a constant negative.

Also, they were only competitive when they had their easy start to the year. Against actual decent opposition they've shown how trash they truly are
Well, it was definitely good for our draft pick.  They lost all the games that Lonzo missed.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2018, 08:00:57 PM
I can't imagine Lonzo is too happy right now. He is playing badly and he knows it. Hard for him not to think, or at least wonder, if he'd be doing better with a different coach / system.

I don't think it's Walton's fault. It is just a bad team. And Lonzo is a bad player (right now).

Lonzo made a snotty comment when asked did he like his coach .   His reply was I ll play for anybody .  He did not back his coach ,   to me this was stab in the back to Luke by Lonzo .....Lnozo had a chance to right a wrong by his father .   

Ball family is trash .....the whole mess are low class .
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Kuberski33 on January 07, 2018, 08:11:27 PM
Rick Carlisle calls out ESPN for giving Lavar a platform:  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21996383/dallas-mavericks-coach-rick-carlisle-rips-espn-giving-lavar-ball-platform
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Amonkey on January 07, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
Rick Carlisle calls out ESPN for giving Lavar a platform:  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21996383/dallas-mavericks-coach-rick-carlisle-rips-espn-giving-lavar-ball-platform

Rick Carlisle is right on the money on this one. It's like giving a platform to a celticsblogger and passing as journalism. We have our opinion and its fun to post about them, but its not news worthy.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: kraidstar on January 07, 2018, 08:55:52 PM
Rick Carlisle calls out ESPN for giving Lavar a platform:  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21996383/dallas-mavericks-coach-rick-carlisle-rips-espn-giving-lavar-ball-platform

Rick Carlisle is right on the money on this one. It's like giving a platform to a celticsblogger and passing as journalism. We have our opinion and its fun to post about them, but its not news worthy.

Are you saying our opinions aren't worthy of the attentions of hard journalism?
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: SparzWizard on January 07, 2018, 09:43:33 PM
Rick Carlisle calls out ESPN for giving Lavar a platform:  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21996383/dallas-mavericks-coach-rick-carlisle-rips-espn-giving-lavar-ball-platform

Rick Carlisle is right on the money on this one. It's like giving a platform to a celticsblogger and passing as journalism. We have our opinion and its fun to post about them, but its not news worthy.

Welcome to BSPN, where bad journalism exists. Lol just like them dropping a "bombshell" Friday morning about the Patriots.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: liam on January 07, 2018, 09:50:27 PM
I would love to see Lavar Ball coach The Lakers. It would be sooooooo good! The Laker's soap opera continues!
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: SparzWizard on January 07, 2018, 09:59:57 PM
I hate LaVar Ball and the Ball family in general. How he's publicly dissing Luke Walton is wrong.

But as a Celtics fan, I am enjoying that draft pick. So...keep up on what you're doing internally and externally, Lakers!
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: jambr380 on January 07, 2018, 10:18:21 PM
Lavar Ball must secretly be a Celtics fan. That is the only explanation at this point.

As for Carlisle and ESPN, I totally agree. It would be different if this was Extra or Entertainment Tonight, but giving Lavar this platform is purely for ratings sake (not real news). It's too bad, too, because I still really enjoy SportsCenter, but the opinion/hot takes are mind-numbing.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: playdream on January 08, 2018, 05:43:48 AM
I am loving it, and the reporter should have the right to ask whoever they want as well as Lavar can say whatever he want, if you are the coach you shouldn't be affected by one person's comments anyway no matter who he is or you really not fit for the job
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on January 08, 2018, 11:45:59 AM
Lavar "instanaMute" opinion is as meaningless as sport center has become.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Fafnir on January 08, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
This sort of noise was why I was terrified the C's would decide they loved Ball once they won the lottery.

Just a lot of drama for its own sake that would annoy me.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: OnPoint on January 08, 2018, 02:52:40 PM
I’m with Bill Simmons when said that the Lakers should use Ball to rid themselves of Deng and Clarkson.

If they plan on getting LeBron next year they may as well because Ball can’t play with him.

Well, can't and won't.  Why would the best player in the world use fee agency to step into that ****-storm?  No good players , except Kuzma - who plays lebron's exact position, no hope of winning a title anytime soon, and in the background having Lavar buzzing like a bad noise making machine.  Lebron has put himself in good situations every time he switched teams, you think he is going to not do that now? 

Lavar is like a bad high school parent complaining about the coach.
Isn’t that the whole point? Get rid of Ball and the distractions that come with him, and clear cap space to sign max players.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Moranis on January 08, 2018, 03:01:06 PM
the one thing I'm curious about is is this just Lavar's opinion or has heard this from Lonzo?
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Granath on January 08, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
Maybe Lavar should shut his gaping piehole until he can figure out how to run his company.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lavar-balls-big-baller-brand-receives-f-rating-better-business-bureau-180918918.html
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: kraidstar on January 08, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
the one thing I'm curious about is is this just Lavar's opinion or has heard this from Lonzo?

Lonzo when asked about Luke Walton as a coach: "I will play for anybody."

Yeah. Pretty passive aggressive and weaselly. Can you imagine Smart or Tatum or Brown saying that?

He makes some vaguely supportive comments for Walton in other parts of the interview, but overall he sounds pretty unconvincing IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if he and his dad are on the same page after all.

ESPN has the same story, but titled it "Lonzo disputes assertion Walton has lost team." ESPN, the pillar of journalistic integrity. I'm just trying to imagine how ESPN would react if Tom Brady made the exact same quote.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-lonzo-ball-on-whether-he-likes-luke-walton-as-a-coach-ill-play-for-anybody/
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 08, 2018, 05:01:33 PM
Maybe Lavar should shut his gaping piehole until he can figure out how to run his company.

https://sports.yahoo.com/lavar-balls-big-baller-brand-receives-f-rating-better-business-bureau-180918918.html

What a sham!

Can the customers file a class action suit against shady business dealings like this?
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 08, 2018, 05:45:59 PM
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Lonzo when asked about Luke Walton as a coach: "I will play for anybody."

Classic case of good kid with a dad with too big a mouth...
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Eja117 on January 08, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
This is incredibly simple. The Lakers just need to bar Lavarr from everything Lakers related, and refuse to acknowledge his existence. They need to block him from all the social media and then just state that the Lakers as a policy don't discuss non basketball matters such as the opinions of nobodies like Joe Schmo from New Jersey or some player's mommy or daddy or former roommate's best friend's dog washer.

If Lonzo doesn't play with good effort the next night then Lonzo needs to be a healthy scratch the night after that and when asked why Luke says "It was my decision. I play guys that I think I need to play to help my team win." then do it again.  Then do it again. Then start to let him play.

Then let someone anonymously leak it out from the front office "The players were playing for Luke Walton the other night. Well. One of them wasn't."

If any player complains they get benched too and effort in games and practice gets addressed.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Birdman on January 08, 2018, 06:16:37 PM
Hire Lavar as coach so that way ESPN will air every Lakers game !!!
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 08, 2018, 06:18:42 PM
This is incredibly simple. The Lakers just need to bar Lavarr from everything Lakers related, and refuse to acknowledge his existence. They need to block him from all the social media and then just state that the Lakers as a policy don't discuss non basketball matters such as the opinions of nobodies like Joe Schmo from New Jersey or some player's mommy or daddy or former roommate's best friend's dog washer.

If Lonzo doesn't play with good effort the next night then Lonzo needs to be a healthy scratch the night after that and when asked why Luke says "It was my decision. I play guys that I think I need to play to help my team win." then do it again.  Then do it again. Then start to let him play.

Then let someone anonymously leak it out from the front office "The players were playing for Luke Walton the other night. Well. One of them wasn't."

If any player complains they get benched too and effort in games and practice gets addressed.

some of us predicted this senero ,  the ball family as a disruption would likely raise its ugly head .  The Lakers thought they could handle a big mouth clown , but apparently not so far.

The end result is liable to decease Lonzo s value and mess with his carreer ......what if the Lakers say ......forget it .....Lonzo is not worth the headache .....how many franchises jump forward to take him and his clown family.......a reality TV show .

Lonzo is probably mosltly good kid .  But he needs to step in ...PROTECT his COACH, TEAM ,  and have a talk with his clown father .....like dude ....Im cuttingyou off money wise ...

If you don't stay the out of my business.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: playdream on January 08, 2018, 06:52:53 PM
This is incredibly simple. The Lakers just need to bar Lavarr from everything Lakers related, and refuse to acknowledge his existence. They need to block him from all the social media and then just state that the Lakers as a policy don't discuss non basketball matters such as the opinions of nobodies like Joe Schmo from New Jersey or some player's mommy or daddy or former roommate's best friend's dog washer.

If Lonzo doesn't play with good effort the next night then Lonzo needs to be a healthy scratch the night after that and when asked why Luke says "It was my decision. I play guys that I think I need to play to help my team win." then do it again.  Then do it again. Then start to let him play.

Then let someone anonymously leak it out from the front office "The players were playing for Luke Walton the other night. Well. One of them wasn't."

If any player complains they get benched too and effort in games and practice gets addressed.
The only problem is they are losing a lot, much more than many expected, and it is on Luke, it's that simple
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: gouki88 on January 08, 2018, 06:55:03 PM
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Lonzo when asked about Luke Walton as a coach: "I will play for anybody."

Classic case of good kid with a dad with too big a mouth...
That's not a quote of a good kid. That's a quote of a snake trying to add fuel to the flame
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Eja117 on January 08, 2018, 07:19:17 PM
This is incredibly simple. The Lakers just need to bar Lavarr from everything Lakers related, and refuse to acknowledge his existence. They need to block him from all the social media and then just state that the Lakers as a policy don't discuss non basketball matters such as the opinions of nobodies like Joe Schmo from New Jersey or some player's mommy or daddy or former roommate's best friend's dog washer.

If Lonzo doesn't play with good effort the next night then Lonzo needs to be a healthy scratch the night after that and when asked why Luke says "It was my decision. I play guys that I think I need to play to help my team win." then do it again.  Then do it again. Then start to let him play.

Then let someone anonymously leak it out from the front office "The players were playing for Luke Walton the other night. Well. One of them wasn't."

If any player complains they get benched too and effort in games and practice gets addressed.
The only problem is they are losing a lot, much more than many expected, and it is on Luke, it's that simple
It's also on LaVar's kid that was shooting almost as bad as Marcus Smart and then got hurt
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Snakehead on January 08, 2018, 07:53:07 PM
This is incredibly simple. The Lakers just need to bar Lavarr from everything Lakers related, and refuse to acknowledge his existence. They need to block him from all the social media and then just state that the Lakers as a policy don't discuss non basketball matters such as the opinions of nobodies like Joe Schmo from New Jersey or some player's mommy or daddy or former roommate's best friend's dog washer.

If Lonzo doesn't play with good effort the next night then Lonzo needs to be a healthy scratch the night after that and when asked why Luke says "It was my decision. I play guys that I think I need to play to help my team win." then do it again.  Then do it again. Then start to let him play.

Then let someone anonymously leak it out from the front office "The players were playing for Luke Walton the other night. Well. One of them wasn't."

If any player complains they get benched too and effort in games and practice gets addressed.
The only problem is they are losing a lot, much more than many expected, and it is on Luke, it's that simple

Blame the coach for a young team has never done anything or proven themselves in the NBA consistently losing games?  Losing mentality for a bad organization.  It's only a surprising season for them if you buy into hype.  I was confident they would be a bottom 5 team all along (which is why I was so high on the draft day move, even before Tatum being as good as he has been).

I have not liked many things about the Balls but tried not to go on about it.  I think coming in all the scout talk I had to listen to about how Lavar makes his teammates better by passing quickly to them and letting them do whatever they wanted, how he made them better when they were passing the ball around, getting credit for their play, I wondered how this would go.  He is not a ball handler and he wasn't making regular NBA PG plays at all.  Rondo is still maybe the best passer in the NBA and he's not so good of a player.  There's a lot more to this game and I didn't buy what I was being sold.  I'm glad the Celtics were not even a discussion for taking him.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on January 09, 2018, 02:15:46 PM
Hire Lavar as coach so that way ESPN will air every Lakers game !!!
One More Reason to not watch sports center. ESPN Extremely Stupid Personalities Network.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Moranis on January 09, 2018, 02:48:34 PM
This is incredibly simple. The Lakers just need to bar Lavarr from everything Lakers related, and refuse to acknowledge his existence. They need to block him from all the social media and then just state that the Lakers as a policy don't discuss non basketball matters such as the opinions of nobodies like Joe Schmo from New Jersey or some player's mommy or daddy or former roommate's best friend's dog washer.

If Lonzo doesn't play with good effort the next night then Lonzo needs to be a healthy scratch the night after that and when asked why Luke says "It was my decision. I play guys that I think I need to play to help my team win." then do it again.  Then do it again. Then start to let him play.

Then let someone anonymously leak it out from the front office "The players were playing for Luke Walton the other night. Well. One of them wasn't."

If any player complains they get benched too and effort in games and practice gets addressed.
The only problem is they are losing a lot, much more than many expected, and it is on Luke, it's that simple
much more than expected?  I predicted they would be a bottom 3 team.  They are losing exactly like I thought they would.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 09, 2018, 04:34:38 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/l-s-nightmare-scenario-becoming-reality-lavar-vs-lakers-050845261.html

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Lonzo oozes potential but with Jayson Tatum — taken one pick after Lonzo last June, and carrying none of the baggage — looking like a perennial All-Star in Boston, there has to be some among the Lakers’ brass wondering if Lonzo was really worth it.

Big Baller Brand is the gift that keeps on giving. I secretly didn’t want the Lakers to pick him just to see how upset they all would have been at the draft, but this is way better. It’s not going well and has the potential to end horribly. Gotta love it.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: cman88 on January 09, 2018, 05:36:43 PM
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Lonzo when asked about Luke Walton as a coach: "I will play for anybody."

Classic case of good kid with a dad with too big a mouth...

sounds pretty passive aggressive to me. Didn't defend his coach or even mention him by name. Just said he will play for whatever coach is in front of him.

imagine if they asked Tatum what he thought about playing for Stevens and he said "eh ill play for anybody"
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Phantom255x on January 09, 2018, 06:01:57 PM
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Lonzo when asked about Luke Walton as a coach: "I will play for anybody."

Classic case of good kid with a dad with too big a mouth...

Really? That's how you took it?

Meanwhile, Kuzma defended his coach and showed him love. He also looks like the real deal and the best pick the Lakers made this past summer, not Lonzo to be quite frank.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 09, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
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Lonzo when asked about Luke Walton as a coach: "I will play for anybody."

Classic case of good kid with a dad with too big a mouth...
That's not a quote of a good kid. That's a quote of a snake trying to add fuel to the flame

It sure doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsement. He could have said a lot more to extinguish the flames instead of fan them.

People seem really high on Lonzo as a person and I don’t see why. He seems scared/brainwashed by his father and is merely a puppet.

If I was him I would tell him “I love ya dad and thanks for getting me here but shut yo mouth and don’t ruin this for me now.”

Instead he just says my father is a grown man and has his opinions blah blah blah. I’d stick up for my coach publicly even if I didn’t like playing for him. You’re a rookie, know your role. You should be happy Luke is playing you as much as he is considering how ****ty you’ve played.
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: gouki88 on January 09, 2018, 06:11:16 PM
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Lonzo when asked about Luke Walton as a coach: "I will play for anybody."

Classic case of good kid with a dad with too big a mouth...
That's not a quote of a good kid. That's a quote of a snake trying to add fuel to the flame

It sure doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsement. He could have said a lot more to extinguish the flames instead of fan them.

People seem really high on Lonzo as a person and I don’t see why. He seems scared/brainwashed by his father and is merely a puppet.

If I was him I would tell him “I love ya dad and thanks for getting me here but shut yo mouth and don’t ruin this for me now.”

Instead he just says my father is a grown man and has his opinions blah blah blah. I’d stick up for my coach publicly even if I didn’t like playing for him. You’re a rookie, know your role. You should be happy Luke is playing you as much as he is considering how ****ty you’ve played.
100% agree, TP. People keep saying "he seems like a good kid" and I have no clue where they got that impression
Title: Re: Lavar Ball: "Lakers don't want to play for Luke Walton."
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 09, 2018, 06:28:37 PM
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100% agree, TP. People keep saying "he seems like a good kid" and I have no clue where they got that impression

You don't think he sometimes acts like he is embarrassed by his dad and often says politically correct stuff to balance his dad's hyperbole.  It's like the kid whose dad is an alcoholic, you don't hold that against the kid.