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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Tr1boy on January 03, 2018, 04:29:10 PM
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My list
-Doncic
He is slow and can't get by a semi decent defender. He will have issues at the nba level, there is no way around it
- Bagley Jr.
Thin lower body, poor rim protector, inconsistent shooter, projects passes. Doesn't have crafty/skills to make things look easy. Good athlete but nothing special. I do like his work ethic and has a good upper body,..... but overall is raw
- Miles Bridges
Short pf that is a tweener not in a good way on the defensive end.
- Grayson Allen
Poor defender that can't keep up.
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Of the “top five”, I’m a bit skeptical of Doncic and Bamba, which probably means those will be the two best players in the draft.
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Of the “top five”, I’m a bit skeptical of Doncic and Bamba, which probably means those will be the two best players in the draft.
;D
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Bamba. Measurables are great but, I don't know, he just looks like he'll need lots of years to develop and I think he has the highest chance of never reaching his full potential.
I love Doncic. Think he has sneaky athleticism. Probably will nevrr be a great defender but his offensive potential is off the boards.
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My list
-Doncic
He is slow and can't get by a semi decent defender. He will have issues at the nba level, there is no way around it
- Bagley Jr.
Thin lower body, poor rim protector, inconsistent shooter, projects passes. Doesn't have crafty/skills to make things look easy. Good athlete but nothing special. I do like his work ethic and has a good upper body,..... but overall is raw
- Miles Bridges
Short pf that is a tweener not in a good way on the defensive end.
- Grayson Allen
Poor defender that can't keep up.
I’m not even sure Bagley has a good upper body. Doesn’t seem to have wide shoulders, but what he does have going for him is very quick off his feet, agile, a great motor, and seems to play with great intensity.
I’ve heard a few people mention Ayton has a so so basketball IQ so I worry about that.
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Bamba. Measurables are great but, I don't know, he just looks like he'll need lots of years to develop and I think he has the highest chance of never reaching his full potential.
I love Doncic. Think he has sneaky athleticism. Probably will nevrr be a great defender but his offensive potential is off the boards.
Agree with you about both, although I’d also say that Doncic could probably be a plus defender (although “great” is a poorly defined term). So much of playing good NBA defense is just about being in the right place and competing on that end. His court vision and BBIQ are very high, and he seems to have that compete-every-play mentality. Combine that with good size for a wing, and while he might not wind up being an All-NBA defender, he won’t often be the weak link on a defense. He’s an excellent defensive rebounder too, which certainly helps.
Ainge said that Tatum wasn’t a great athlete, but he certainly seems athletic enough for the NBA. I think Doncic is similar on the athleticism scale.
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My list
-Doncic
He is slow and can't get by a semi decent defender. He will have issues at the nba level, there is no way around it.
A very big LOL :laugh:
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My list
-Doncic
He is slow and can't get by a semi decent defender. He will have issues at the nba level, there is no way around it
- Bagley Jr.
Thin lower body, poor rim protector, inconsistent shooter, projects passes. Doesn't have crafty/skills to make things look easy. Good athlete but nothing special. I do like his work ethic and has a good upper body,..... but overall is raw
- Miles Bridges
Short pf that is a tweener not in a good way on the defensive end.
- Grayson Allen
Poor defender that can't keep up. Also has mental problems on defense, keeps on being an Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. by tripping people on purpose.
Fixed that for you :laugh:
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My list
-Doncic
He is slow and can't get by a semi decent defender. He will have issues at the nba level, there is no way around it.
A very big LOL :laugh:
Yeah, that's a crazy take.
This is him at 17 years of age. vs OKC and Westbrook. Again, he was 17 in the video!! The kid arguably has the highest floor in the draft and his ceiling is sky high too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRJBeaez-94
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Of the “top five”, I’m a bit skeptical of Doncic and Bamba, which probably means those will be the two best players in the draft.
Ha ha ha. They are my two favorites. Which probably means those will be the two worst players in the draft. ;D
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I think it's still too early to decide on these guys. My favorite player so far has to be Doncic. He's the one I've watched the most going against high level competition.
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My list
-Doncic
He is slow and can't get by a semi decent defender. He will have issues at the nba level, there is no way around it.
A very big LOL :laugh:
Yeah, this is so removed from reality it's not funny
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I wouldn't want to draft Trae Young. Not interested in a guy who has almost no projection on one end of the court. He may very well become a good player, but it won't hurt my feelings if it happens somewhere else. Let somebody else take that risk.
Ayton is my favorite from this draft. Bagley is a close second - I think he's more of a project than people let on especially on the defensive end, but the talent is terrific. I have concerns about the other three - Doncic, Bamba, Porter - but would be happy to draft any of them.
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I wouldn't want to draft Trae Young. Not interested in a guy who has almost no projection on one end of the court. He may very well become a good player, but it won't hurt my feelings if it happens somewhere else. Let somebody else take that risk.
Ayton is my favorite from this draft. Bagley is a close second - I think he's more of a project than people let on especially on the defensive end, but the talent is terrific. I have concerns about the other three - Doncic, Bamba, Porter - but would be happy to draft any of them.
Exactly how I feel, except I have Doncic on the same level as Ayton and Bagley
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I wouldn't want to draft Trae Young. Not interested in a guy who has almost no projection on one end of the court. He may very well become a good player, but it won't hurt my feelings if it happens somewhere else. Let somebody else take that risk.
Ayton is my favorite from this draft. Bagley is a close second - I think he's more of a project than people let on especially on the defensive end, but the talent is terrific. I have concerns about the other three - Doncic, Bamba, Porter - but would be happy to draft any of them.
Exactly how I feel, except I have Doncic on the same level as Ayton and Bagley
That's fair. I've only seen a little of Doncic.
I kind of see him as similar to Lonzo Ball but without a broken shot. Is that at all accurate?
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I wouldn't want to draft Trae Young. Not interested in a guy who has almost no projection on one end of the court. He may very well become a good player, but it won't hurt my feelings if it happens somewhere else. Let somebody else take that risk.
Ayton is my favorite from this draft. Bagley is a close second - I think he's more of a project than people let on especially on the defensive end, but the talent is terrific. I have concerns about the other three - Doncic, Bamba, Porter - but would be happy to draft any of them.
Exactly how I feel, except I have Doncic on the same level as Ayton and Bagley
That's fair. I've only seen a little of Doncic.
I kind of see him as similar to Lonzo Ball but without a broken shot. Is that at all accurate?
I've watched quite a few games of his, but I'm far from an expert.
In my opinion, his offensive game is hard to compare to people. He's a lot bigger than Lonzo (6'8"/6'9" vs 6'6"), and Doncic uses his size very well. His defensive versatility is really impressive, as he guards 2-4's quite solidly for the most part.
I guess his offensive game is similar to Harden's to a degree. Really strong at the hoop, really good free throw shooter and can shoot from anywhere. Supports his versatile arsenal with really impressive playmaking and rebounding.
Also doesn't quit on defence like Harden - has a fiery edge to him which always appeals to me
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I wouldn't want to draft Trae Young. Not interested in a guy who has almost no projection on one end of the court. He may very well become a good player, but it won't hurt my feelings if it happens somewhere else. Let somebody else take that risk.
Ayton is my favorite from this draft. Bagley is a close second - I think he's more of a project than people let on especially on the defensive end, but the talent is terrific. I have concerns about the other three - Doncic, Bamba, Porter - but would be happy to draft any of them.
Exactly how I feel, except I have Doncic on the same level as Ayton and Bagley
That's fair. I've only seen a little of Doncic.
I kind of see him as similar to Lonzo Ball but without a broken shot. Is that at all accurate?
I've watched quite a few games of his, but I'm far from an expert.
In my opinion, his offensive game is hard to compare to people. He's a lot bigger than Lonzo (6'8"/6'9" vs 6'6"), and Doncic uses his size very well. His defensive versatility is really impressive, as he guards 2-4's quite solidly for the most part.
I guess his offensive game is similar to Harden's to a degree. Really strong at the hoop, really good free throw shooter and can shoot from anywhere. Supports his versatile arsenal with really impressive playmaking and rebounding.
Also doesn't quit on defence like Harden - has a fiery edge to him which always appeals to me
Thanks for the take. I'd certainly be happy if we were able to pick him.
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I wouldn't want to draft Trae Young. Not interested in a guy who has almost no projection on one end of the court. He may very well become a good player, but it won't hurt my feelings if it happens somewhere else. Let somebody else take that risk.
Ayton is my favorite from this draft. Bagley is a close second - I think he's more of a project than people let on especially on the defensive end, but the talent is terrific. I have concerns about the other three - Doncic, Bamba, Porter - but would be happy to draft any of them.
Exactly how I feel, except I have Doncic on the same level as Ayton and Bagley
That's fair. I've only seen a little of Doncic.
I kind of see him as similar to Lonzo Ball but without a broken shot. Is that at all accurate?
I've watched quite a few games of his, but I'm far from an expert.
In my opinion, his offensive game is hard to compare to people. He's a lot bigger than Lonzo (6'8"/6'9" vs 6'6"), and Doncic uses his size very well. His defensive versatility is really impressive, as he guards 2-4's quite solidly for the most part.
I guess his offensive game is similar to Harden's to a degree. Really strong at the hoop, really good free throw shooter and can shoot from anywhere. Supports his versatile arsenal with really impressive playmaking and rebounding.
Also doesn't quit on defence like Harden - has a fiery edge to him which always appeals to me
Thanks for the take. I'd certainly be happy if we were able to pick him.
If we pick him I'm sure he'll be the rebirth of Larry Bird, nastiness and all ;D
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Avoid drafting a ball-handler and a wing.
Draft a big.
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I’m the guy who swore Josh Jackson was going to be the next Dr J so I’ll refrain from weighing in.
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I’m the guy who swore Josh Jackson was going to be the next Dr J so I’ll refrain from weighing in.
At least you didn't think Fultz would be the next Kyrie. I was high on Jackson and Ball, and meh on Tatum.
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I’m the guy who swore Josh Jackson was going to be the next Dr J so I’ll refrain from weighing in.
At least you didn't think Fultz would be the next Kyrie. I was high on Jackson and Ball, and meh on Tatum.
Yeah, pre-draft I thought Fultz could've been like a smaller lesser playmaking Harden. Oops ;D
I blame whoever broke his jumpshot ;)
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We only pick #2-5, and I'd definitely draft Ayton, Bagley, Doncic.
I might avoid picking Porter due to medicals or what I think of Bamba after workouts.
I might avoid picking Trae Young because if Porter looks great, and Bamba looks good, the 4 guys I want in that range might be set. I need a Tatum 2.0 or a center with DPOY upside more than a bench pg. Tho I'll admit I haven't seen a full game of his.
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My list
-Doncic
He is slow and can't get by a semi decent defender. He will have issues at the nba level, there is no way around it
- Bagley Jr.
Thin lower body, poor rim protector, inconsistent shooter, projects passes. Doesn't have crafty/skills to make things look easy. Good athlete but nothing special. I do like his work ethic and has a good upper body,..... but overall is raw
- Miles Bridges
Short pf that is a tweener not in a good way on the defensive end.
- Grayson Allen
Poor defender that can't keep up.
WOW, dont like Bagley? Safest pick in the draft. Has amazing hands, catches everything. Duke player that would make three on the Celtics. Perfect Horford replacement in two years.
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Doncic
I feel the same, I think the hype is better than the player. One thing I like about Ainge is that he does not always fall for the Euro hype that other teams fall prey too. I think he can play in the league, I just don't see a burgeoning star that others do.
I wonder if I searched back threads if the same guys who like Luka liked Bender, Hezonja and Darko?
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- Grayson Allen
Poor defender that can't keep up. Also has mental problems on defense, keeps on being an **** by tripping people on purpose.
Fixed that for you :laugh:
;D
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Well I like a lot of guys this draft but other than Porter and Ayton I don't really feel great about any prospect. I'd consider a trade out side those two guys.
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Doncic
I feel the same, I think the hype is better than the player. One thing I like about Ainge is that he does not always fall for the Euro hype that other teams fall prey too. I think he can play in the league, I just don't see a burgeoning star that others do.
I wonder if I searched back threads if the same guys who like Luka liked Bender, Hezonja and Darko?
Those guys were all drafted on potential. Doncic is lighting it up at 18 against the toughest competition in Europe. I'd still take Bagley or Ayton ahead of him, but he's a [dang] good 3rd pick.
If I were going to pick one guy to avoid, right now it would be Bamba, as I think he has the highest bust potential. Great ceiling though.
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Doncic
I feel the same, I think the hype is better than the player. One thing I like about Ainge is that he does not always fall for the Euro hype that other teams fall prey too. I think he can play in the league, I just don't see a burgeoning star that others do.
I wonder if I searched back threads if the same guys who like Luka liked Bender, Hezonja and Darko?
Those guys were all drafted on potential. Doncic is lighting it up at 18 against the toughest competition in Europe. I'd still take Bagley or Ayton ahead of him, but he's a [dang] good 3rd pick.
If I were going to pick one guy to avoid, right now it would be Bamba, as I think he has the highest bust potential. Great ceiling though.
Bamba has a high floor
While raw his length , mobility is elite. He also has the work ethic and good instincts. Just raw and needs to work on his body
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Doncic
I feel the same, I think the hype is better than the player. One thing I like about Ainge is that he does not always fall for the Euro hype that other teams fall prey too. I think he can play in the league, I just don't see a burgeoning star that others do.
I wonder if I searched back threads if the same guys who like Luka liked Bender, Hezonja and Darko?
Those guys were all drafted on potential. Doncic is lighting it up at 18 against the toughest competition in Europe. I'd still take Bagley or Ayton ahead of him, but he's a [dang] good 3rd pick.
If I were going to pick one guy to avoid, right now it would be Bamba, as I think he has the highest bust potential. Great ceiling though.
Lighting up against who? Evan Fourniers or class B nba has beens?
European level competition is much like the ncaas div 1... Its not close to nba competition
Unless its Dirk...and you can see such talent miles away
Doncic is not that. Im not saying he will be a bust just not top 3 worthy pick
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Doncic
I feel the same, I think the hype is better than the player. One thing I like about Ainge is that he does not always fall for the Euro hype that other teams fall prey too. I think he can play in the league, I just don't see a burgeoning star that others do.
I wonder if I searched back threads if the same guys who like Luka liked Bender, Hezonja and Darko?
You wouldn’t find me shilling for Darko, because that was before my CB days. I don’t think I hated Hezonja, but of players who went 6-10, I know you’d find posts from me advocating Winslow and Cauley-Stein much more. I liked Bender a lot, but said I’d only pick him at #3 on the condition he stayed in Europe for 1-2 more seasons because he wasn’t physically ready for the NBA, and Brown was my preferred pick over Murray, ultimately.
You would find posts for me wanting Porzingis, Giannis, and Saric, so my Euroscouting isn’t terrible.
The thing with Doncic that makes him both better and more scoutable is that unlike other Euro prospects, he actually plays with the adults. He’ll have two full years as a top player in Euroleague, so we know what he can do against much better competition (be dominant). While his fellow draft classmates were participating in junior international tournaments last year, he was helping to lead his country to their first ever Eurobasket championship. We could watch him go for 27-9 against a Latvia team led by Porzingis. We could watch him be the best player on the court going for 11, 12, and 8 against a Spain team with both Gasols and Rubio. We’ve seen him on the court against not just fringe NBA players, but top-tier NBA players, and he hasn’t looked the slightest bit out of place. At 18.
And the key thing that I said above is “we have seen” it. It’s not just highlight videos. All of his games are broadcast live on the internet. Many of the people on this board who are excited about Doncic aren’t going just off stats and highlights, but off of watching complete games. I’ve watched about 10 myself. I was high in Giannis, but it was off some YouTube videos, scouting reports, and his freakish measurements. I was right to like him, but there was a lot of luck involved in being correct on that. Many of us have seen more of Doncic than we have any other top player in this draft, because there are more games to have seen.
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Doncic
I feel the same, I think the hype is better than the player. One thing I like about Ainge is that he does not always fall for the Euro hype that other teams fall prey too. I think he can play in the league, I just don't see a burgeoning star that others do.
I wonder if I searched back threads if the same guys who like Luka liked Bender, Hezonja and Darko?
You wouldn’t find me shilling for Darko, because that was before my CB days. I don’t think I hated Hezonja, but of players who went 6-10, I know you’d find posts from me advocating Winslow and Cayley-Stein much more. I liked Bender a lot, but said I’d only pick him at #3 on the condition he stayed in Europe for 1-2 more seasons because he wasn’t physically ready for the NBA, and Brown was my preferred pick over Murray, ultimately.
You would find posts for me wanting Porzingis, Giannis, and Saric, so my Euroscouting isn’t terrible.
The thing with Doncic that makes him both better and more scoutable is that unlike other Euro prospects, he actually plays with the adults. He’ll have two full years as a top player in Euroleague, so we know what he can do against much better competition (be dominant). While his fellow draft classmates were participating in junior international tournaments last year, he was helping to lead his country to their first ever Eurobasket championship. We could watch him go for 27-9 against a Latvia team led by Porzingis. We could watch him be the best player on the court going for 11, 12, and 8 against a Spain team with both Gasols and Rubio. We’ve seen him on the court against not just fringe NBA players, but top-tier NBA players, and he hasn’t looked the slightest bit out of place. At 18.
And the key thing that I said above is “we have seen” it. It’s not just highlight videos. All of his games are broadcast live on the internet. Many of the people on this board who are excited about Doncic aren’t going just off stats and highlights, but off of watching complete games. I’ve watched about 10 myself. I was high in Giannis, but it was off some YouTube videos, scouting reports, and his freakish measurements. I was right to like him, but there was a lot of luck involved in being correct on that. Many of us have seen more of Doncic than we have any other top player in this draft, because there are more games to have seen.
I have to admit, I really loved Hezonja. Definitely got drawn in by the hype. Never liked Bender, though.
I'm officially on record as I don't even know what to make of Doncic. There's just been so much hype, I'm finding it hard to separate the hype from reality. I really miss DraftExpress.
Mike
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I’m the guy who swore Josh Jackson was going to be the next Dr J so I’ll refrain from weighing in.
At least you didn't think Fultz would be the next Kyrie. I was high on Jackson and Ball, and meh on Tatum.
I thought Fultz would become even better than Kyrie. The tools to be the perfect PG. Ánd I thought Tatum would probably be too slow to play SF and therefore I disliked him (just as much I disliked Jackson for his shooting inability). Ánd I thought Brown would be a bust. Seemed way too raw and a very bad shooter.
If I had made the decisions the Celtics would have Bender and Fultz on the team.
So I'll say absolutely nothing. (though I do like Bamba ;))
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I’m the guy who swore Josh Jackson was going to be the next Dr J so I’ll refrain from weighing in.
At least you didn't think Fultz would be the next Kyrie. I was high on Jackson and Ball, and meh on Tatum.
I thought Fultz would become even better than Kyrie. The tools to be the perfect PG. Ánd I thought Tatum would probably be too slow to play SF and therefore I disliked him (just as much I disliked Jackson for his shooting inability). Ánd I thought Brown would be a bust. Seemed way too raw and a very bad shooter.
If I had made the decisions the Celtics would have Bender and Fultz on the team.
So I'll say absolutely nothing. (though I do like Bamba ;))
So stay away from Bamba? ;)
It all depends on a ton a factors we don't know. I like Bagley a lot. He's not a rim protector, but he is a good position defender.
I'm worried Ayton will be kinda' like Andre Drummond -- a solid starting center who is constantly flashing potential but never delivering. The problem is that Drummond was a much better defender in college than Ayton.
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I know some people like to say Porter Jr is kind of like a taller Tatum. But he doesn’t seem as fluid an athlete as Tatum. Seems more rigid and upright and maybe a bit soft too. Of course I’m just going off of YouTube clips then comparing to what I see of Tatum. Plus a serious injury already kind of scares me off.
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If bagley projects as Chris Webber we wont have to worry about avoiding him because he will go #1.
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As I have said earlier Doncic scares me because of the hype. Bagley scares me because he could be Okafor 2.0. Bamba scares me because he is too skinny. I am for trading the pick for a veteran right now.
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As I have said earlier Doncic scares me because of the hype. Bagley scares me because he could be Okafor 2.0. Bamba scares me because he is too skinny. I am for trading the pick for a veteran right now.
Bagley seems like a better rebounder, shooter, passer, defender, and plays with greater intensity than Okafor. I’ve only seen a handful of games from him though but that’s what I see. Okafor is probably the better post scorer, but Bagley is so quick off his feet. A little KG like in that manner. Bagley seems pretty slender though and doesn’t seem to have wide shoulders to help put on weight, where Okafor could probably lose a few pounds.
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As far as players in a similar mold who I've liked, my record is pretty so so, or maybe poor considering its the lottery where it hurts more to miss.
I badly wanted Kidd-Gilchrist, Smart, Oladipo, Winslow, Dunn and Josh Jackson. Oladipo, Smart and Dunn look like solid choices though I'm thrilled with Brown. Josh Jackson has time to prove me a little less wrong but at this point it's hard to imagine him ever catching up to or surpassing Tatum (thrilled with Tatum too). 50 50 in the lottery is not so good.
This year I'll break my type preference and say that Doncic will be a superb pick (sign a center)
and be a 6th man of the year Celtic for years to come.
AVOID: Bamba (my usual type center wise).
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Trae Young
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As far as players in a similar mold who I've liked, my record is pretty so so, or maybe poor considering its the lottery where it hurts more to miss.
I badly wanted Kidd-Gilchrist, Smart, Oladipo, Winslow, Dunn and Josh Jackson. Oladipo, Smart and Dunn look like solid choices though I'm thrilled with Brown. Josh Jackson has time to prove me a little less wrong but at this point it's hard to imagine him ever catching up to or surpassing Tatum (thrilled with Tatum too). 50 50 in the lottery is not so good.
This year I'll break my type preference and say that Doncic will be a superb pick (sign a center)
and be a 6th man of the year Celtic for years to come.
AVOID: Bamba (my usual type center wise).
CHANGED MY MIND!
Avoid Doncic. This team has enough ball handlers (Irving Hayward). Draft one of Ayton, Bagley or Bamba...not sure what order.
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Trae Young
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As far as players in a similar mold who I've liked, my record is pretty so so, or maybe poor considering its the lottery where it hurts more to miss.
I badly wanted Kidd-Gilchrist, Smart, Oladipo, Winslow, Dunn and Josh Jackson. Oladipo, Smart and Dunn look like solid choices though I'm thrilled with Brown. Josh Jackson has time to prove me a little less wrong but at this point it's hard to imagine him ever catching up to or surpassing Tatum (thrilled with Tatum too). 50 50 in the lottery is not so good.
This year I'll break my type preference and say that Doncic will be a superb pick (sign a center)
and be a 6th man of the year Celtic for years to come.
AVOID: Bamba (my usual type center wise).
Don't get me wrong, I am perfectly happy with Brown, but I knew Kris Dunn was going to be a good player - it was just a matter of time. He still has things he needs to work on, but he is at least proving all of his 'haters' wrong. People who liked Dunn last year now look a lot less foolish.
I haven't seen enough of the upcoming prospects to make an informed decision, but of the top 5, I am most unsure of Bamba (has Trae Young overtaken him yet?)