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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsElite on December 10, 2017, 10:24:43 AM
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-power-rankings-donovan-mitchell-takes-top-spot-from-ben-simmons/
According to CBS: "Last week I said that Tatum was in a bit of a mini-slump. Yeah, that's not happening anymore. Tatum had a scorching hot week in which he shot 78 percent (not a typo) on 3-pointers, and he now leads the entire NBA at an absurd 51.9 percent from deep. Largely thanks to his incredible 3-point proficiency, he's on pace to have the highest true shooting percentage of any rookie in NBA history who's taken nine or more shots per game. His marksmanship has been particularly surprising given the fact that he shot only 34 percent in his one season at Duke last year, from a considerably shorter 3-point line. He had arguably the lowest floor of any player in the 2017 draft class, but if he can continue to shoot like this, Tatum might have the highest ceiling as well."
^ I think they meant to say highest floor at the end not lowest floor
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He needs to shoot more.
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
he's the perfect 4th option for us when hayward comes back. Highly efficient floor spacing 4 that can switch on D
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He was rated to have a low floor, because low shooting numbers, basically 0 assists, and a game that came out of 2002. He also had a high ceiling because Carmelo/Pierce/Drexler
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Check out weaknesses lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQm1wOHW0AEogRm?format=jpg)
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
Right on the money---remember Summer League ? He took an awful lot of contested "bad" shots--Brad figured it out
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He needs to shoot more.
Just so he can plateau out, go back to something reasonable - around 45%. And then we can stop anointing him as the shooting messiah
It would be nice to see the first 50 50 90 season in history though..
Needs to improve his FT%
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He needs to shoot more.
Just so he can plateau out, go back to something reasonable - around 45%. And then we can stop anointing him as the shooting messiah
ray allens best season was 45%.
Tatum is so good, prime ray allen is now a "regression to something reasonable."
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He needs to shoot more.
Just so he can plateau out, go back to something reasonable - around 45%. And then we can stop anointing him as the shooting messiah
ray allens best season was 45%.
Tatum is so good, prime ray allen is now a "regression to something reasonable."
Oh don''t get me wrong... Tatum's floor is Ray Allen... ;D
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
I think you're minimizing what Tatum is doing right now a tad too much. Yes, all those are factors that do help him, but that case can be made for countless others in the league who just don't measure up.
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
And Draymond Green doesnt benefit from the fact teams are focusing on stopping curry, durant, and thompson?
And Smart doesnt get the same wide open looks thanks to horford and kyrie?
But who knocks em down better?
Tatum has both an excellent shot accuracy, off ball movement, and good shot selection. You rarely see him force up a bad shot. And his stroke has such a high release its hard to bother his shot in the first place.
Give credit where its due. Tatum is leading the entire nba in 3pt% as a rookie. I dont think ive seen anything quite like it.
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It's amazing that the only real complaint anyone has about him is that he's not aggressive enough. He's been incredible.
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It's amazing that the only real complaint anyone has about him is that he's not aggressive enough. He's been incredible.
Yea :D, like saying that a pretty, good-natured, smart girlfriend knows how to bake just 6 types of cakes.
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
Right on the money---remember Summer League ? He took an awful lot of contested "bad" shots--Brad figured it out
Great ball-movement creates great shot opportunities and the Brad Stevens effect is certainly in full-force, but it's not like all of Tatum's jump shots are catch-and-shoot. One of my favorite Tatum moves is catching the ball, pausing, letting the defender fly by, dribbling once to the side and creating a perfectly open 3 that he almost always drains.
He is still leaning on his ability to create off the dribble and it is totally working, but just wait until he learns to consistently come off picks or masters the AB handoff. His shot making and shot creating ability is just incredible so far.
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He needs to shoot more.
TP. This is exactly the case. Tatum is taking open looks and what the defense gives him. Don't get me wrong, he's doing great for making those shots. He's making shots in crunch time and that's huge for a rookie. But I'd like to see him force the issue a bit more. Step up and be a creator.
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
Right on the money---remember Summer League ? He took an awful lot of contested "bad" shots--Brad figured it out
Great ball-movement creates great shot opportunities and the Brad Stevens effect is certainly in full-force, but it's not like all of Tatum's jump shots are catch-and-shoot. One of my favorite Tatum moves is catching the ball, pausing, letting the defender fly by, dribbling once to the side and creating a perfectly open 3 that he almost always drains.
He is still leaning on his ability to create off the dribble and it is totally working, but just wait until he learns to consistently come off picks or masters the AB handoff. His shot making and shot creating ability is just incredible so far.
Yeah, that’s my favorite Tatum move also. He looks just as smooth with that shot as he does when he’s wide open off a catch-and-shoot.
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50+ games to go plus he will eventually shoot much more as the team is actually really starting to gel... Even with that 16 win streak as Brad said "we werent as good as our record"
I still see him as 50% fg and 45% 3fg by years end..
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
Right on the money---remember Summer League ? He took an awful lot of contested "bad" shots--Brad figured it out
Great ball-movement creates great shot opportunities and the Brad Stevens effect is certainly in full-force, but it's not like all of Tatum's jump shots are catch-and-shoot. One of my favorite Tatum moves is catching the ball, pausing, letting the defender fly by, dribbling once to the side and creating a perfectly open 3 that he almost always drains.
He is still leaning on his ability to create off the dribble and it is totally working, but just wait until he learns to consistently come off picks or masters the AB handoff. His shot making and shot creating ability is just incredible so far.
Yep, he's been excellent at getting to the rim (and finishing) off the dribble. I imagine next season we'll see him actually run some pick-and-rolls and then we'll get a sense of what kind of a playmaker he can be for others. He just hasn't been asked to play that role yet.
All things in due time.
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He needs to shoot more.
I love Tatum, but one of the reasons he's shooting such a high percentage is that he is only taking good shots, often created from great ball movement and the defensive focus on Kyrie and Horford.
Right on the money---remember Summer League ? He took an awful lot of contested "bad" shots--Brad figured it out
Great ball-movement creates great shot opportunities and the Brad Stevens effect is certainly in full-force, but it's not like all of Tatum's jump shots are catch-and-shoot. One of my favorite Tatum moves is catching the ball, pausing, letting the defender fly by, dribbling once to the side and creating a perfectly open 3 that he almost always drains.
He is still leaning on his ability to create off the dribble and it is totally working, but just wait until he learns to consistently come off picks or masters the AB handoff. His shot making and shot creating ability is just incredible so far.
Yep, he's been excellent at getting to the rim (and finishing) off the dribble. I imagine next season we'll see him actually run some pick-and-rolls and then we'll get a sense of what kind of a playmaker he can be for others. He just hasn't been asked to play that role yet.
All things in due time.
Did you see when the rim denied Tatum last night? It made me lol a little, but it reminded me that despite Tatum's underrated altheticism, that he is god-willingly only 19...
Amazing...
I mean I remember when I saw Tatum, and Brown on Ballislife highlights, I was always in love with their games, but you cannot believe how surprised I was to find out we drafted both lol.
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I always check the box scores as soon as the game is over, see what everyone's final stat line was for the game.
For the last several games now, the very first thing I go to is Tatum's 3-point makes and attempts.
7 games in a row, 50% or better, as well as 9 of the last 10! Sure, he's going to come back to earth eventually, but I feel kind of like I did during the winning streak, wondering/fantasizing about how long this can go on for and enjoying the ride along the way.
Funny thing was, when I looked at the box score after the San Antonio game, I noticed Tatum only went 2-4 and thought, man he brought his 3 point % down. ;D
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I'm to the point now where I'm surprised when he misses.
And that pull-up 3 off the pick-and-roll last night was confident and smooth.
I can't wait to see what a summer in the weight room will do for his athleticism and strength.
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I refuse to discuss this topic for the same reason I don't talk to or about a picther during a no hitter
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Check out weaknesses lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQm1wOHW0AEogRm?format=jpg)
lolol that just makes his grin seem super sarcastic.
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I'm to the point now where I'm surprised when he misses.
And that pull-up 3 off the pick-and-roll last night was confident and smooth.
I can't wait to see what a summer in the weight room will do for his athleticism and strength.
The pick and pull up three ball dare I say it looked KD-ish
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He needs to shoot more.
TP. This is exactly the case. Tatum is taking open looks and what the defense gives him. Don't get me wrong, he's doing great for making those shots. He's making shots in crunch time and that's huge for a rookie. But I'd like to see him force the issue a bit more. Step up and be a creator.
Given his age, I think his discipline is really impressive, and I'd rather see him expand his game as a high efficiency player. You could argue he is the best shooting prospect in the league under 25. Devin Booker and perhaps Bradley Beal are really the only high usage competition he has among that group.
What I think he can do next while staying with high percentage opportunities is really focus more on shooting 3's off picks. He really seems to understand the footwork of how to execute those actions already. He just doesn't do it often enough yet.
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Another way to look at this whole thing... The Celtics have played 28 games thus far and he's shot 52.3% from 3. If he were to have the same number of attempts per game over the final 54, he could shoot his college average (34%) and still end the season with a percentage of 40.2%.
It's not just the shooting that should pump people up. It's that he projects as a potential elite defender in the modern NBA that prioritizes smarts, teamwork, length, and later footwork.
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He needs to shoot more.
TP. This is exactly the case. Tatum is taking open looks and what the defense gives him. Don't get me wrong, he's doing great for making those shots. He's making shots in crunch time and that's huge for a rookie. But I'd like to see him force the issue a bit more. Step up and be a creator.
Given his age, I think his discipline is really impressive, and I'd rather see him expand his game as a high efficiency player. You could argue he is the best shooting prospect in the league under 25. Devin Booker and perhaps Bradley Beal are really the only high usage competition he has among that group.
What I think he can do next while staying with high percentage opportunities is really focus more on shooting 3's off picks. He really seems to understand the footwork of how to execute those actions already. He just doesn't do it often enough yet.
I think that'll come in time. I don't really see where he needs to rush into increasing his usage rate, given that we don't need him to fill that role any time soon. The fact that he's so willing to let his offense come to him is probably the best thing that we could hope for.
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What a steal.
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I think you can see an evolution even over the short season in how he's getting his offense.
Here's a game from October:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PPzlXE61pE
And some more recent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1QZZp4QWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS8OdUQqNNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V8uXCwj0mQ
He just looks a lot more aggressive and confident with the ball in his hands, to me. And it also looks like more of the plays are run for him, as opposed to him getting offense at option #3.
Wouldn't be surprised if his usage soon goes up, since he's still shooting just as efficiently even when he's the focus of the play.
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Most Points by a Celtics Rookie, first 30 games:
• Bird - 573
• Cowens - 526
• Pierce - 444
• Mercer - 417
• Tatum - 415
Tatum is doing it on 50/50/82 splits at 19 yo.
The scary part about this is he isn't the first or second option on the team. When Hayward comes back, he will be like the 4th or 5th option depending on how much depending on how hot Browns scoring is.. Either way we got a good one
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I'm calling Tatum 'Big Easy' from now on and hope it catches on. :laugh:
He makes every basket he makes looks so easy, whether it's a driving layup, a breakaway dunk, or the splash from 3-point land!
Just check out Tatum on his highlight plays against the Grizzlies!
https://youtu.be/XgWNXupUEME