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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Eddie20 on December 09, 2017, 09:03:42 AM
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I'm not sure why Baynes continues to receive the Zeller treatment, which is a token start followed by limited minutes, but it's extremely frustrating. Over the last 6 games he has only played the following minutes: 14, 10, 15, 18, 14, and 13. Furthermore, he was not in foul trouble in any of those games with the highest foul count over that stretch at 3.
2 games are really baffling over that span. The Pistons game where Drummond played 40 minutes and posted 26 points and 20 rebounds, while Baynes only played 13 minutes. The other was last night when Aldridge was clearly abusing Horford inside. Aldridge's play against Horford clearly had an impact on Horford's game on both ends and as a result he struggled badly, shooting 1 for 6 and only scoring 2 points in 35 minutes. At least we were able to prevail vs Detroit, but I blame a large part of yesterday's loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes.
OVERALL
Record with Baynes playing over 20 minutes
10-0
Record with Baynes playing under 20 minutes
12-5
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I agree. Theis as well. Someone pointed out stats that when both players receive 40 minutes plus, the teams' overall numbers are better.
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Baynes got hurt last night, so that’s part of the reason he didn’t play as much as you’d have liked.
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Baynes got hurt last night, so that’s part of the reason he didn’t play as much as you’d have liked.
This isn't really accurate. Baynes was injured with 23 seconds left in the 3Q and judging by Stevens' track record Baynes doesn't play much, if at all, in the 4Q as he prefers going small.
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Baynes and Theis are both going to be on the bench in the last 5 minutes of the 4th. Get used to it.
Stevens will go small with either Horford/Morris/Tatum/Smart/Kyrie or Horford/Tatum/Brown/Smart/Kyrie. That's they way he wants to defend and against most teams that will work. Not against the LMAs of the world.
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Added to OP
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Baynes got hurt last night, so that’s part of the reason he didn’t play as much as you’d have liked.
This isn't really accurate. Baynes was injured with 23 seconds left in the 3Q and judging by Stevens' track record Baynes doesn't play much, if at all, in the 4Q as he prefers going small.
It is accurate to say it was part of the reason. He probably would have started the 4th, and may have come in after Smart fouled out.
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He has a good mid-range jumpshot, but a pretty meh feel for swinging the ball side-to-side.
Plus, he gets a lot of fouls, which hurt us in other ways.
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Baynes got hurt last night, so that’s part of the reason he didn’t play as much as you’d have liked.
This isn't really accurate. Baynes was injured with 23 seconds left in the 3Q and judging by Stevens' track record Baynes doesn't play much, if at all, in the 4Q as he prefers going small.
It is accurate to say it was part of the reason. He probably would have started the 4th, and may have come in after Smart fouled out.
Highly doubtful especially when you look at Stevens' track record of playing Baynes in the 4Q. Smart fouled out with 3 minutes left and I can't recall one instance when Baynes has played the last 5 minutes of a closely contested game. This isn't really debatable.
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Depends on the matchups. Baynes brings some toughness and D up front when they need it. What he doesn't bring is length--and they are overmatched inside against the Aldridges, Drummonds and Kounmpos. This could be their Achilles heel in the playoffs. Ainge would be wise to pick up a veteran rim protector like Tyson Chandler for the stretch run.
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Once again, people question CBS who is a great coach, and people think they could do better. These threads are hysterical.
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Once again, people question CBS who is a great coach, and people think they could do better. These threads are hysterical.
What an odd statement. How is being critical of Stevens in his rotations a direct correlation to suggest one can do better than him? I'm sure you've been critical of some of Ainge's decisions does that mean you can do better? Or if you haven't enjoyed a certain song or movie would that automatically suggest that you feel you can be a better musician or director?
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Once again, people question CBS who is a great coach, and people think they could do better. These threads are hysterical.
And yet those types of comments add more value to the forum than comments like yours, which add zero value.
Nobody on this planet is above reproach or criticism, except for me, I'm perfect.
But seriously, constructive criticism is the backbone of a healthy dialogue and vital towards progress. And while I doubt Danny, Brad, or anyone else on the Celtics is reading this forum, there's no reason as fans we can't discuss things just because that discussion might very well lead nowhere.
If you prefer to be nothing more than a cheerleader, that's fine. If others rather engage in substantive discussion, that's fine too.
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Once again, people question CBS who is a great coach, and people think they could do better. These threads are hysterical.
This. Several things make CBS a better coach than us.
1. Experience as a coach. I coached 1 year of high school basketball and was a student assistant at a d3 college. Others of you may have more experience, but I'm guessing few if any have experience at the D1 level or NBA level.
2. Intelligence. He's smarter than I am. I'm guessing he's smarter than you.
3. The amount of time he is able to put into to research and gameplan. I know we might look at a lot of stats and watch a lot of games, but I'm sure few of us are even close to CBS.
4. The support staff's scouting. 6-10 people also reviewing tape, stats, tendencies, plays, systems. This leads to less blind spots and a greater degree of understanding of the game.
5. In person. Arm-chair or forum-coaching is great and all, but maybe Stevens saw something in person we didn't.
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Once again, people question CBS who is a great coach, and people think they could do better. These threads are hysterical.
This. Several things make CBS a better coach than us.
1. Experience as a coach. I coached 1 year of high school basketball and was a student assistant at a d3 college. Others of you may have more experience, but I'm guessing few if any have experience at the D1 level or NBA level.
2. Intelligence. He's smarter than I am. I'm guessing he's smarter than you.
3. The amount of time he is able to put into to research and gameplan. I know we might look at a lot of stats and watch a lot of games, but I'm sure few of us are even close to CBS.
4. The support staff's scouting. 6-10 people also reviewing tape, stats, tendencies, plays, systems. This leads to less blind spots and a greater degree of understanding of the game.
5. In person. Arm-chair or forum-coaching is great and all, but maybe Stevens saw something in person we didn't.
Some of this is true, some of it is just conjecture.
It's absolutely possible, and most likely probable, there are some people who are more intelligent than Brad, even if all we are talking about is 'basketball intelligence'. Just because one person is a NBA coach and another person is just a fan, doesn't inherently make the coach a more intelligent person.
Also, while you say maybe Brad saw something we didn't, it is absolute possible someone here saw something Brad didn't. Likely, maybe not, but absolutely within the realm of possibility.
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Rebounding and defense are clearly better with Baynes, but the Celtics are +8.2 per 100 possessions on offense with him off the floor. I think Stevens is more match-up orientated on offense than defense. That is, he seems to adjust his lineups more to create scoring mismatches than to rectify defensive ones.
He didn't double Drummond or Aldridge despite them both destroying Horford and he didn't want to play another big man next to him. Maybe he felt like they could compensate for it on the other end. This is obviously dependent on two things: Horford actually playing well on offense (which he didn't against both Aldridge and Drummond) and the Celtics rebounding. I just think it's hard to say one way or the other what the right call is.
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Once again, people question CBS who is a great coach, and people think they could do better. These threads are hysterical.
This. Several things make CBS a better coach than us.
1. Experience as a coach. I coached 1 year of high school basketball and was a student assistant at a d3 college. Others of you may have more experience, but I'm guessing few if any have experience at the D1 level or NBA level.
2. Intelligence. He's smarter than I am. I'm guessing he's smarter than you.
3. The amount of time he is able to put into to research and gameplan. I know we might look at a lot of stats and watch a lot of games, but I'm sure few of us are even close to CBS.
4. The support staff's scouting. 6-10 people also reviewing tape, stats, tendencies, plays, systems. This leads to less blind spots and a greater degree of understanding of the game.
5. In person. Arm-chair or forum-coaching is great and all, but maybe Stevens saw something in person we didn't.
Some of this is true, some of it is just conjecture.
It's absolutely possible, and most likely probable, there are some people who are more intelligent than Brad, even if all we are talking about is 'basketball intelligence'. Just because one person is a NBA coach and another person is just a fan, doesn't inherently make the coach a more intelligent person.
Also, while you say maybe Brad saw something we didn't, it is absolute possible someone here saw something Brad didn't. Likely, maybe not, but absolutely within the realm of possibility.
I am going to say it is extremely unlikely anyone here has more basketball intelligence than Brad, and the fact you find it probable confuses me.
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Baynes is playing a career high 17.4 MPG right now. Career highs in BPG RPG and Turnovers. He's playing more than he ever has.
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Aldridge killed us last night in 4th. Baynes could have done better to hold position than Al. Stronger base.
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The debate comes down to how Stevens perceives Bayne's impact on the game and how this element can help the team. "Horford's getting beat buy Drummond/Aldridge or whomever" is not information/data that Stevens is missing/not reacting to or unable to stop.
Assuming what Pop is going to get from Aldridge is Steven's job. Knowing that he is playing a top 5 NBA team on their homecourt is also his job and how to use his players strengths to attack the opponent's weaknesses is why Stevens is so highly regarded.
Irving, one on the NBA's best shooters/ball handler's/ice men, had the ball last night with a second and a clear shot at a three to tie the game just like in Cleveland in the Celtic's first of 5 losses this season. The possibility exists that the Spurs were the better team last night by the inch or two Irving missed by.
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So who are we taking out so Baynes can play more?
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Once again, people question CBS who is a great coach, and people think they could do better. These threads are hysterical.
This. Several things make CBS a better coach than us.
1. Experience as a coach. I coached 1 year of high school basketball and was a student assistant at a d3 college. Others of you may have more experience, but I'm guessing few if any have experience at the D1 level or NBA level.
2. Intelligence. He's smarter than I am. I'm guessing he's smarter than you.
3. The amount of time he is able to put into to research and gameplan. I know we might look at a lot of stats and watch a lot of games, but I'm sure few of us are even close to CBS.
4. The support staff's scouting. 6-10 people also reviewing tape, stats, tendencies, plays, systems. This leads to less blind spots and a greater degree of understanding of the game.
5. In person. Arm-chair or forum-coaching is great and all, but maybe Stevens saw something in person we didn't.
Some of this is true, some of it is just conjecture.
It's absolutely possible, and most likely probable, there are some people who are more intelligent than Brad, even if all we are talking about is 'basketball intelligence'. Just because one person is a NBA coach and another person is just a fan, doesn't inherently make the coach a more intelligent person.
Also, while you say maybe Brad saw something we didn't, it is absolute possible someone here saw something Brad didn't. Likely, maybe not, but absolutely within the realm of possibility.
I am going to say it is extremely unlikely anyone here has more basketball intelligence than Brad, and the fact you find it probable confuses me.
Maybe you're just easily confused? ;)
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Baynes left in third quarter and never returned-As bad a Horford was getting beat there wasn't any option to play Baynes so how could anyone put this loss on Brad for usage of Baynes in 4th quarter.
Aldridge was great but he had a turnover in last minutes, Tatum either got his hand in or threatened enough for Aldridge to lose control..We lost because of a long bounce offensive rebound by Ginobili and then he hits a clutch three.Also Ginobili earlier drew the 6th foul on Smart.
The VETS won this one for the Spurs.
Marcus Morris had a very poor shooting game and scored only 5 points.
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I would like to see more of Baynes in the fourth quarter.
We could of used him last night, if he was not injured.
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Baynes left in third quarter and never returned-As bad a Horford was getting beat there wasn't any option to play Baynes so how could anyone put this loss on Brad for usage of Baynes in 4th quarter.
Reading comprehension is seriously lacking.
I never said anything about the 4Q. I'm talking about his overall use of Baynes over the last 6 games, especially vs bigs like Drummond and Aldridge that have had their way with Horford. Playing Baynes 27 total minutes vs Drummond and Aldridge's combined 96 minutes seems like a bad idea and a misuse of player personnel.
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I was FURIOUS with Stevens and his rotations last night!!! Last night, Al was being used like a rag doll by Aldridge. Arguably one of Al Horford's WORST games in his professional career!!!! HORRIBLE!!!!
So, SINCE Al was being brutalized by Lemarcus, why did Baynes only play 14 minutes and he only had two fouls????????
Also, why the heck did Brad play Marcus Morris 25 minutes in last night's game??? I know, someone is going to say he averages 24.2 minutes per this year, so that is about his average. BUT, did you watch the game? Morris was horrible on offense and defense!!!
And this might have been discussed in the game thread, but was anyone else SHOCKED that Smart, reknowned as a GREAT defensive play, did NOT get the call at the end of the first half when Forbes literally PUSHED him out of bounds? Did anyone else notice that Marcus was shoved by the screener (I think it was Aldridge) into the cutter for his sixth foul?? I replayed it and he was clearly pushed into the cutter. Ridiculous.
That being said, we lost the game with our horrendous rotations (thanks Brad) and by NOT getting Tatum MORE stinking shots and relying almost entirely on Irving's offense. Dang, Brown was shooting well and deserved MORE shots as well!!!
Brad is a genius in calling plays out of timeouts and preparing teams, but he sort of sucks with his rotations and taking out the hot player. (Kyrie had freaking 17 points in the first quarter and sat for about the first 6 minutes of the second quarter.) This is infuriating!!! Brad, go back and watch the Chuck Daly coached Pistons and watched how he would ALWAYS milk the hot hand until it went dry.
Smitty77
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I understand the matchup idea that Brad is going with. I however LOVE Baynes as a starter for defense and boxing out. I want him to start every game for that alone. Yes Morris will match up better in certain games. Baynes seals off his man (tommy lingo) so even if he doesn't get the rebound you'll see Tatum or brown get it. Noticeable difference in their rebounding numbers last group of games when baynes isn't getting his minutes.
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
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It was not Stevens' best game.
He did not address Lamarcus Aldridge. Didn't even consider using Baynes to slow him down when he was obviously steamrolling the Celtics and Horford.
Also I feel like the Celtics did not take enough advantage of their secondary scoring options outside of Kyrie.
When the whole SA defense is consistently double teaming Kyrie at one point, why didn't you have plays drawn up to swing the ball quickly to hot shooting Brown and Tatum?
Why give so many touches/minutes to Marcus Morris who was clunking bricks all night instead?
BS is a genius of course. But even a genius has an off game. The Spurs game was Steven's off game. I feel like he could have managed the game better to get the win at the end. We obviously had a shot to tie it even with those miscues. But we could have been in better position if Stevens had managed the game better.
Finally, Baynes injury at the end made him unavailable. But if Stevens doesn't have confidence in him to stop the hot scoring big men in the league. Who do you insert in there? Why not try doubling LA on the block?
We can't just have constant repeats of LA and Drummond. If Baynes is not the answer, DA needs to find one that Stevens feels comfortable using to stop the bleeding.
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Should I say it again?
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Holy over reaction, Batman. The Celtics lost to a top 5 NBA team, on that team's home court, lost by a last second three pointer made by a future Hall of Famer, and actually had a shot to tie the game and send it into overtime with almost no time left but missed the shot!
It was a regular season road game against one of the NBA's best. It's gonna happen.
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.
This is not a very useful response, though. It just reads as an appeal to authority.
This is a fan discussion forum. Brad Stevens isn't here. Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why. Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response. Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.
Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here. I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.
This is not a very useful response, though. It just reads as an appeal to authority.
This is a fan discussion forum. Brad Stevens isn't here. Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why. Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response. Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.
Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here. I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).
Great reasoning mmmmm!!!!
I personally was discussing this particular game vs. SA. However, this is not my first time to be concerned about rotations and resting the HOT shooter by Brad.
Do I STILL think that Brad is the best young coach in virtually all of basketball at EVERY level? Unequivocally yes!!!! Is there room for him to improve? Absolutely yes!!
I appreciate you (mmmmm) encouraging people to focus on my points about THIS game and about Stevens' rotations and sometimes resting the very hot shooter(s).
Smitty77
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Looking at On-Off stats according to basketball-reference.com, you could make a strong argument for Baynes to play more.
Our offense is significantly worse with him on the floor.
Offensive rating with Baynes on the court: 103.9
Offensive rating without Baynes: 112 (+8.1 without Baynes)
eFG% with Baynes: .479
eFG% without Baynes: .541 (0.62% better without Baynes)
However, our defense and rebounding is significantly better with Baynes on the court.
Defensive rebounding % with Baynes: 84.7%
Defensive reboudning % without: 77.8% (6.9% worse)
Opponent eFG% with Baynes: .468
Opponent eFG% without Baynes: .503 (opponent shoots 0.35 better when Baynes is not on)
Opponent offensive rating with Baynes on court: 95.0 (which is outstanding)
Opponent offensive rating without Baynes: 105.4 (better by 10.4)
Looking at the stats alone, Baynes is a net positive with his defense despite his negative effect on our offense. This correlates with the eye test. Baynes has been great for us this season. If you look at Marcus Morris' on-off and other advanced stats, you'll find that his impact is overall negative, especially on the defensive end of the floor. This also correlates with the eye test. We need his offense, especially off the bench, but our defense noticeably suffers at times with MM in the lineup.
I'm in the 'play Baynes more' camp. While he is averaging a career high in MPG with us at 17.4 MPG, I'd strongly advocate for more minutes particularly in place of Ojeleye or MM. Part of the reason why Baynes is playing so little at times likely has to do mostly with matchups, but we have Horford who is good enough defensively to play as the 2nd big. That or it's because other bench players are doing well, specifically Theis who has been great for us.
By the way, looking at Baynes' stats made me notice that today is his birthday. Give him a present by playing him more tomorrow, Brad - we're going to need him against Drummond.
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I hope that Brad took notes on Pops early timeout and technical -this put pressure on refs-.
Morris had a bad game but has had his share of good ones and has been fighting off that knee injury
I assume Brad would not embarrass Morris by not letting him get minutes or benching him in a payback game.
As to miss management of Baynes minutes in this game its a moot point.He wasn't available.
It came down to loss of Marcus by Ginobili driving him into screen that could have been an offensive but Pops took care of that -after all it was home court
Aldridge is in running for MVP and was going to get his points vs others hitting threes.
That back rim long offensive rebound was instrumental-a bit of luck there
And if, Marcus was guarding Ginobili would a switch have occurred on his three or would have Ginobili even got that offensive rebound previously.
.That early timeout and early technical was pure "Red"in influencing refs that had forgot home court advantage
The Celts had a 4 game streak,Baynes went down-Rudy Gay hit some tough angle shots ,Ginobili was clutch at 40 and the Celts had led most of way.
It was a lottery said Pops and Ginobili said his shot lucky as he changed arc to get it over Horfords defense.
Aldridge would have just bullied Theis drawing and ones
Benching Morris in a revenge game may have been counter productive ,he is a proud man and it might not sit well.Player management is one skill Brads has and that means not embarrassing his players.
You want a spaced floor and rested Irving for a 4th quarter push-that was a bad bounce win with Pops manipulating the refs .
Kryrie owns the 4th his shot didn't fall Ginobili's did.
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Holy over reaction, Batman. The Celtics lost to a top 5 NBA team, on that team's home court, lost by a last second three pointer made by a future Hall of Famer, and actually had a shot to tie the game and send it into overtime with almost no time left but missed the shot!
It was a regular season road game against one of the NBA's best. It's gonna happen.
I am sure this is how the game will be remembered, but it really shouldn't have ever been that close. We started the game by dominating the Spurs, held them off for most of the first half, and then completely fell apart at the end of the 2nd quarter. In the 4th quarter, despite Aldridge's dominance of Horford and Irving/Tatum being the only Cs players able to do anything offensively, it still seemed like we had the game in hand before, once again, losing focus and letting this one slip away.
I think Smitty and mmmmm laid it out pretty well (TPs). This is a game we probably should have won [handily], but something always felt wrong - it just didn't seem like the team was always playing 'Celtics basketball' and they carelessly and deservedly lost at the end.
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I assume Brad would not embarrass Morris by not letting him get minutes or benching him in a payback game.
As to miss management of Baynes minutes in this game its a moot point.He wasn't available.
Benching Morris in a revenge game may have been counter productive ,he is a proud man and it might not sit well.
These comments lead me to believe that you're just typing away without reading other members comments on Baynes and also have no clue on the teams Morris has played for.
First on Morris, since it's shorter...he never played for the Spurs or Pop, so why the two mentions of a revenge narrative?
As for Baynes, AGAIN, no one is mentioning the 4Q, I and others are referring to the game in general, particularly the first 3 quarters where Stevens didn't use him appropriately. Please try to follow along.
1Q
6:47 Celtics are up 14-4. Aldridge has missed his only 2 FG attempts and has only 2 points, both coming from the FT line. Morris enters the game for Baynes.
2:13 Celtics are up 27-18. During the 4 minutes and change that the Baynes substitution was made Aldridge makes 5 out of his 6 FG attempts and was the only reason the deficit for the Spurs wasn't greater. Gasol enters for Aldridge.
2Q
8:01 Celtics are still up 9 (41-32). Aldridge is back in the game. Baynes is still on the bench. During the stretch Aldridge nearly gets a double/double in the next 8 minutes with 7 pts and 7 boards.
0.05 Celtics down 55-56. The above stretch proved critical. Baynes enters the game for Brown. No impact on the game.
3Q
5:25 Celtics down 67-71. Smart enters the game for Baynes. During the early part of this stretch Aldridge only scores 4 pts (2 for 4 shooting), picks up 2 fouls, and collects 0 rebounds.
2:02 Celtics up 76-73. This 3 minute stretch doesn't have much of an impact. Aldridge misses his only attempt, but does manage to grab 2 rebounds. Gasol enters for Aldridge.
In the 4Q, Aldridge did not go back into the game until the 6:30 mark. Baynes is out out of the game with an injury, but that's a moot point because he rarely ever plays the end of the game, as Stevens prefers to go small regardless of opposition.
So based on the above data it's pretty clear that there is a direct correlation with Aldridge having success with Baynes not on the floor. The two stretches that he was virtually unstoppable had Baynes firmly planted on the bench.
Baynes only played 14 minutes, only had 2 fouls, and was a +4.
I could do the same thing for the Pistons game a game which saw Drummond virtually unstoppable. In that game Drummond played 40 minutes, Baynes played 12 minutes, had 0 fouls, and did NOT leave the game due to injury. Oh, and Baynes was a +5 in a 10 point loss.
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It was not Stevens' best game.
He did not address Lamarcus Aldridge. Didn't even consider using Baynes to slow him down when he was obviously steamrolling the Celtics and Horford.
Also I feel like the Celtics did not take enough advantage of their secondary scoring options outside of Kyrie.
When the whole SA defense is consistently double teaming Kyrie at one point, why didn't you have plays drawn up to swing the ball quickly to hot shooting Brown and Tatum?
Why give so many touches/minutes to Marcus Morris who was clunking bricks all night instead?
BS is a genius of course. But even a genius has an off game. The Spurs game was Steven's off game. I feel like he could have managed the game better to get the win at the end. We obviously had a shot to tie it even with those miscues. But we could have been in better position if Stevens had managed the game better.
Finally, Baynes injury at the end made him unavailable. But if Stevens doesn't have confidence in him to stop the hot scoring big men in the league. Who do you insert in there? Why not try doubling LA on the block?
We can't just have constant repeats of LA and Drummond. If Baynes is not the answer, DA needs to find one that Stevens feels comfortable using to stop the bleeding.
Great post. Going small is not always the way to go. TP
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.
This is not a very useful response, though. It just reads as an appeal to authority.
This is a fan discussion forum. Brad Stevens isn't here. Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why. Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response. Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.
Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here. I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).
I have as much right to my opinion as anyone else does, so my response is just as useful as anyone else's. I am not going to try and read Brads mind. I just continue to recognize that it is foolish to think I have even close to the level of insight Brad has regarding this team, considering he is one of the best coaches in the league, and sees this team nearly every day.
Again, I just disagree. I think you guys are wrong for thinking you would be able to make better adjustments than Brad, and that he doesn't have far better reasons for doing what he does, than you guys do for your suggestions.
Brad is a top 3 coach, and seeing fans regularly call him out for stuff, when it is 100% certain Brad had a far better grip on the players and this team, just baffles me.
And again, please don't refer to my posts as useless, just because I am taking the viewpoint that Brad is better than any of us in the choices he makes out there.
I feel incredibly strongly that if you had a meeting with Brad, and you addressed the concerns you had, Brad would explain to you exactly why he has done what he has done, and you would then understand and realize why you are the incorrect one, not Brad.
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.
This is not a very useful response, though. It just reads as an appeal to authority.
This is a fan discussion forum. Brad Stevens isn't here. Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why. Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response. Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.
Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here. I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).
I have as much right to my opinion as anyone else does, so my response is just as useful as anyone else's. I am not going to try and read Brads mind. I just continue to recognize that it is foolish to think I have even close to the level of insight Brad has regarding this team, considering he is one of the best coaches in the league, and sees this team nearly every day.
Again, I just disagree. I think you guys are wrong for thinking you would be able to make better adjustments than Brad, and that he doesn't have far better reasons for doing what he does, than you guys do for your suggestions.
Brad is a top 3 coach, and seeing fans regularly call him out for stuff, when it is 100% certain Brad had a far better grip on the players and this team, just baffles me.
And again, please don't refer to my posts as useless, just because I am taking the viewpoint that Brad is better than any of us in the choices he makes out there.
I feel incredibly strongly that if you had a meeting with Brad, and you addressed the concerns you had, Brad would explain to you exactly why he has done what he has done, and you would then understand and realize why you are the incorrect one, not Brad.
Why does that approach stop at Stevens though? If a person is good enough to be an NBA coach then he should have a basketball mind that is above a fan's and subsequently be above reproach. So I take it you've never been critical of an NBA coach before? If the argument is because Brad is a top 3 guy, then why should that matter? Clearly the worst coach in the NBA is better than anyone on this board, so no coach should ever be criticized. In fact, neither should GM's or refs, since they're obviously at the pinnacle of their profession too.
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.
This is not a very useful response, though. It just reads as an appeal to authority.
This is a fan discussion forum. Brad Stevens isn't here. Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why. Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response. Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.
Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here. I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).
I have as much right to my opinion as anyone else does, so my response is just as useful as anyone else's. I am not going to try and read Brads mind. I just continue to recognize that it is foolish to think I have even close to the level of insight Brad has regarding this team, considering he is one of the best coaches in the league, and sees this team nearly every day.
Again, I just disagree. I think you guys are wrong for thinking you would be able to make better adjustments than Brad, and that he doesn't have far better reasons for doing what he does, than you guys do for your suggestions.
Brad is a top 3 coach, and seeing fans regularly call him out for stuff, when it is 100% certain Brad had a far better grip on the players and this team, just baffles me.
And again, please don't refer to my posts as useless, just because I am taking the viewpoint that Brad is better than any of us in the choices he makes out there.
I feel incredibly strongly that if you had a meeting with Brad, and you addressed the concerns you had, Brad would explain to you exactly why he has done what he has done, and you would then understand and realize why you are the incorrect one, not Brad.
Why does that approach stop at Stevens though? If a person is good enough to be an NBA coach then he should have a basketball mind that is above a fan's and subsequently be above reproach. So I take it you've never been critical of an NBA coach before? If the argument is because Brad is a top 3 guy, then why should that matter? Clearly the worst coach in the NBA is better than anyone on this board, so no coach should ever be criticized. In fact, neither should GM's or refs, since they're obviously at the pinnacle of their profession.
For the most part, I don't critize GM or coaching decisions, unless it is blatantly obvious they are incorrect.
I don't fool myself into thinking i know more about coaching and GMing than these guys, so I don't regularly second guess them.
A good example is how much people moan and complain about so many of Danny's moves, and then 6 months after they have shown to be great moves, people act like they were happy from the jump.
How many people absolutely hated picking Terry or Jaylen? How many people thought the Sixers trade or Cavs trade or The KG PP trade were garbage? A lot of people, and, as is almost always the case, those people were incredibly wrong.
Anyone here is free to criticize guys like Danny and Brad, I just know that 99 times out of 100, Brad and Danny aren't the ones that are incorrect.
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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.
The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.
You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??
You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?
You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?
I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!
Smitty77
If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?
He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!! I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game. Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!! Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however. Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!
Smitty77
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.
This is not a very useful response, though. It just reads as an appeal to authority.
This is a fan discussion forum. Brad Stevens isn't here. Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why. Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response. Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.
Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here. I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).
I have as much right to my opinion as anyone else does, so my response is just as useful as anyone else's. I am not going to try and read Brads mind. I just continue to recognize that it is foolish to think I have even close to the level of insight Brad has regarding this team, considering he is one of the best coaches in the league, and sees this team nearly every day.
Again, I just disagree. I think you guys are wrong for thinking you would be able to make better adjustments than Brad, and that he doesn't have far better reasons for doing what he does, than you guys do for your suggestions.
Brad is a top 3 coach, and seeing fans regularly call him out for stuff, when it is 100% certain Brad had a far better grip on the players and this team, just baffles me.
And again, please don't refer to my posts as useless, just because I am taking the viewpoint that Brad is better than any of us in the choices he makes out there.
I feel incredibly strongly that if you had a meeting with Brad, and you addressed the concerns you had, Brad would explain to you exactly why he has done what he has done, and you would then understand and realize why you are the incorrect one, not Brad.
I, for one, have NOT called your posts useless!! That being said, you are talking in generalities, while others are talking in specifics. That is a HUGE difference. And I would totally concur that Brad is CERTAINLY a top 3 coach (not just in the NBA, but likely in ALL of basketball!!!)!!!! I can think that and STILL CRITICIZE his areas of weakness. So could you!!!
Take care,
Smitty77
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I hope that Brad took notes on Pops early timeout and technical -this put pressure on refs-.
Morris had a bad game but has had his share of good ones and has been fighting off that knee injury
I assume Brad would not embarrass Morris by not letting him get minutes or benching him in a payback game.
As to miss management of Baynes minutes in this game its a moot point.He wasn't available.
It came down to loss of Marcus by Ginobili driving him into screen that could have been an offensive but Pops took care of that -after all it was home court
Aldridge is in running for MVP and was going to get his points vs others hitting threes.
That back rim long offensive rebound was instrumental-a bit of luck there
And if, Marcus was guarding Ginobili would a switch have occurred on his three or would have Ginobili even got that offensive rebound previously.
.That early timeout and early technical was pure "Red"in influencing refs that had forgot home court advantage
The Celts had a 4 game streak,Baynes went down-Rudy Gay hit some tough angle shots ,Ginobili was clutch at 40 and the Celts had led most of way.
It was a lottery said Pops and Ginobili said his shot lucky as he changed arc to get it over Horfords defense.
Aldridge would have just bullied Theis drawing and ones
Benching Morris in a revenge game may have been counter productive ,he is a proud man and it might not sit well.Player management is one skill Brads has and that means not embarrassing his players.
You want a spaced floor and rested Irving for a 4th quarter push-that was a bad bounce win with Pops manipulating the refs .
Kryrie owns the 4th his shot didn't fall Ginobili's did.
Regarding Aldridge bullying Theis, I SURE would have liked for him to have AT LEAST been given the freaking CHANCE to guard him!!! BUT, he was NOT given such a chance, was he Rollie??
Smitty77
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I assume Brad would not embarrass Morris by not letting him get minutes or benching him in a payback game.
As to miss management of Baynes minutes in this game its a moot point.He wasn't available.
Benching Morris in a revenge game may have been counter productive ,he is a proud man and it might not sit well.
These comments lead me to believe that you're just typing away without reading other members comments on Baynes and also have no clue on the teams Morris has played for.
First on Morris, since it's shorter...he never played for the Spurs or Pop, so why the two mentions of a revenge narrative?
As for Baynes, AGAIN, no one is mentioning the 4Q, I and others are referring to the game in general, particularly the first 3 quarters where Stevens didn't use him appropriately. Please try to follow along.
1Q
6:47 Celtics are up 14-4. Aldridge has missed his only 2 FG attempts and has only 2 points, both coming from the FT line. Morris enters the game for Baynes.
2:13 Celtics are up 27-18. During the 4 minutes and change that the Baynes substitution was made Aldridge makes 5 out of his 6 FG attempts and was the only reason the deficit for the Spurs wasn't greater. Gasol enters for Aldridge.
2Q
8:01 Celtics are still up 9 (41-32). Aldridge is back in the game. Baynes is still on the bench. During the stretch Aldridge nearly gets a double/double in the next 8 minutes with 7 pts and 7 boards.
0.05 Celtics down 55-56. The above stretch proved critical. Baynes enters the game for Brown. No impact on the game.
3Q
5:25 Celtics down 67-71. Smart enters the game for Baynes. During the early part of this stretch Aldridge only scores 4 pts (2 for 4 shooting), picks up 2 fouls, and collects 0 rebounds.
2:02 Celtics up 76-73. This 3 minute stretch doesn't have much of an impact. Aldridge misses his only attempt, but does manage to grab 2 rebounds. Gasol enters for Aldridge.
In the 4Q, Aldridge did not go back into the game until the 6:30 mark. Baynes is out out of the game with an injury, but that's a moot point because he rarely ever plays the end of the game, as Stevens prefers to go small regardless of opposition.
So based on the above data it's pretty clear that there is a direct correlation with Aldridge having success with Baynes not on the floor. The two stretches that he was virtually unstoppable had Baynes firmly planted on the bench.
Baynes only played 14 minutes, only had 2 fouls, and was a +4.
I could do the same thing for the Pistons game a game which saw Drummond virtually unstoppable. In that game Drummond played 40 minutes, Baynes played 12 minutes, had 0 fouls, and did NOT leave the game due to injury. Oh, and Baynes was a +5 in a 10 point loss.
Remarkably well done Eddie!!!!
Smitty77
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I assume Brad would not embarrass Morris by not letting him get minutes or benching him
As to miss management of Baynes minutes in this game its a moot point.He wasn't available.
Benching Morris may have been counter productive ,he is a proud man and it might not sit well.
These comments lead me to believe that you're just typing away without reading other members comments on Baynes and also have no clue on the teams Morris has played for.
First on Morris, since it's shorter...he never played for the Spurs or Pop, so why the two mentions of a revenge narrative?
As for Baynes, AGAIN, no one is mentioning the 4Q, I and others are referring to the game in general, particularly the first 3 quarters where Stevens didn't use him appropriately. Please try to follow along.
1Q
6:47 Celtics are up 14-4. Aldridge has missed his only 2 FG attempts and has only 2 points, both coming from the FT line. Morris enters the game for Baynes.
2:13 Celtics are up 27-18. During the 4 minutes and change that the Baynes substitution was made Aldridge makes 5 out of his 6 FG attempts and was the only reason the deficit for the Spurs wasn't greater. Gasol enters for Aldridge.
2Q
8:01 Celtics are still up 9 (41-32). Aldridge is back in the game. Baynes is still on the bench. During the stretch Aldridge nearly gets a double/double in the next 8 minutes with 7 pts and 7 boards.
0.05 Celtics down 55-56. The above stretch proved critical. Baynes enters the game for Brown. No impact on the game.
3Q
5:25 Celtics down 67-71. Smart enters the game for Baynes. During the early part of this stretch Aldridge only scores 4 pts (2 for 4 shooting), picks up 2 fouls, and collects 0 rebounds.
2:02 Celtics up 76-73. This 3 minute stretch doesn't have much of an impact. Aldridge misses his only attempt, but does manage to grab 2 rebounds. Gasol enters for Aldridge.
In the 4Q, Aldridge did not go back into the game until the 6:30 mark. Baynes is out out of the game with an injury, but that's a moot point because he rarely ever plays the end of the game, as Stevens prefers to go small regardless of opposition.
So based on the above data it's pretty clear that there is a direct correlation with Aldridge having success with Baynes not on the floor. The two stretches that he was virtually unstoppable had Baynes firmly planted on the bench.
Baynes only played 14 minutes, only had 2 fouls, and was a +4.
I could do the same thing for the Pistons game a game which saw Drummond virtually unstoppable. In that game Drummond played 40 minutes, Baynes played 12 minutes, had 0 fouls, and did NOT leave the game due to injury. Oh, and Baynes was a +5 in a 10 point loss.
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Holy over reaction, Batman. The Celtics lost to a top 5 NBA team, on that team's home court, lost by a last second three pointer made by a future Hall of Famer, and actually had a shot to tie the game and send it into overtime with almost no time left but missed the shot!
It was a regular season road game against one of the NBA's best. It's gonna happen.
I am sure this is how the game will be remembered, but it really shouldn't have ever been that close. We started the game by dominating the Spurs, held them off for most of the first half, and then completely fell apart at the end of the 2nd quarter. In the 4th quarter, despite Aldridge's dominance of Horford and Irving/Tatum being the only Cs players able to do anything offensively, it still seemed like we had the game in hand before, once again, losing focus and letting this one slip away.
I think Smitty and mmmmm laid it out pretty well (TPs). This is a game we probably should have won [handily], but something always felt wrong - it just didn't seem like the team was always playing 'Celtics basketball' and they carelessly and deservedly lost at the end.
You hit the nail on the head. This game had little to do with Baynes'minutes and more to do with how the team closed quarters. By ny account the Celtics were outscored during the last minutes of each quater by an aggregate score of 17-8. That's where this game was won and lost.
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What a difference a Baynes on a big makes!
At the half...
Baynes - Drummond
PTS 2 0
REB 8 5
FGM 1 0
FGA 2 2
BLK 0 0
MIN 15 15
Now I may not know as much as Stevens, but I think it's safe to say his usage of Baynes was reexamined after the last game vs Drummond.
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TP for the stats. It seems that the blog sometimes does know better than the coaches.
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What a difference a Baynes on a big makes!
vs Detroit...
Baynes - Drummond
PTS 6 6
REB 13 15
FGM 3 1
FGA 6 5
BLK 0 0
MIN 27 30
We're now 11-0 when Baynes plays 20 or more minutes.
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What a difference a Baynes on a big makes!
vs Detroit...
Baynes - Drummond
PTS 6 6
REB 13 15
FGM 3 1
FGA 6 5
BLK 0 0
MIN 27 30
We're now 11-0 when Baynes plays 20 or more minutes.
Put him on the floor with the winning record yabusele brings and we have ourselves a championship! ;D
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TP for the stats. It seems that the blog sometimes does know better than the coaches.
Or maybe CBS is taking notes from here. ;D
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Baynes on Drummond makes Horford better as well.
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Baynes played 26m and celts allow a season low 81 points. Of course 91 points offense is not great but if the opponents cant score it makes it easier to win. Just gotta pick baynes matchups and minutes well because he makes us better!
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By playing Baynes in the fourth quarter last night, Brad showed that he has learned that going small is not always the best option.
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I think that eventually Brad will figure out that Baynes is a better choice than Smart to close the fourth quarter.
The Smart that takes all those ill advised three point shots is not welcome in the fourth quarter. The Smart that drives to the bucket is. I think he is a great passer as well. But he needs to play to his strengths. Until he does, I think Baynes is a better choice defensively in the fourth quarter. He can get those big boards that Marcus often gets while defending the pick and roll.
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I think from game 1 this season, the Celtics have been "better with Baynes."
Stevens plays him when he plays him for his reasons. It was already posted that some stats indicate lower offensive output with Baynes on the floor which I don't know what that means because the Celtics have basically "won" all of their games and in 5 losses, have not been blown out...ever.
Drummond never got it going last night and his team mates never did either. Pistons looked spent last night which is why it helps to assess player performance by watching the game not the stat line.
Has it already been posted that Bayne's minute stats relate to injury? Hell, Amir Johnson's entire career in Boston featured "managed minutes"...you could hear his knees creaking from Causeway street.
Has Baynes ever been on the court for the last five minutes of a Celtic's game?
Fantastic addition to the team...the guy plays way bigger than he is and here's to Stevens figuring out how to best use him to help beat the Cavs.
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UPDATE
Record with Baynes playing 20 or more minutes
13-0
Record with Baynes playing under 20 minutes
12-7