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Title: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Chris22 on December 06, 2017, 03:09:22 PM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 06, 2017, 03:12:27 PM
This seems like a more appropriate message to those who hope to become Celtics players when they grow up.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: hodgy03038 on December 06, 2017, 04:12:23 PM
Make your free throws. They are exactly that- FREE.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Rosco917 on December 07, 2017, 10:52:48 AM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.



As long as we're making requests. Everyone needs a floater off the dribble in the paint.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Chris22 on December 07, 2017, 11:07:49 AM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.



As long as we're making requests. Everyone needs a floater off the dribble in the paint.

That is a tough shot to learn. Hook shots are easy.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: jambr380 on December 07, 2017, 11:08:29 AM
I imagine this message is directed at Big Al who for some reason has absolutely no touch with his baby hook - especially off the dribble. This is especially strange because Al is excellent at nearly every other basketball activity.

Anyway, I agree. Personally I am a very good outside shooter, but as a pseudo-big man, most all of shots come from 5-10 feet out on the baby hook. It is unblockable and even when the shot is off, it still bounces around the rim and in most of the time. It's about pushing the ball up rather than throwing it at the hoop.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: jpotter33 on December 07, 2017, 11:08:41 AM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.



As long as we're making requests. Everyone needs a floater off the dribble in the paint.

Just a small request from me, too: I request everyone be as ambidextrous and able to finish with both hands as Kyrie. Oh, and to have his handles. Is that too much to ask?!  ;)
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: mgent on December 07, 2017, 01:18:52 PM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.

I'm not sure who on our team you think struggles when they get the ball inside.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: johnnygreen on December 07, 2017, 01:42:13 PM
I'm glad the hook shot is being brought up. I was just thinking, what if Joel Embiid was forced to pick up Shane Larkin on a switch? Wouldn't it be sweet if Larkin took Embid down low and had the ability to score on him using a hook shot?
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Chris22 on December 08, 2017, 01:50:32 AM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.

I'm not sure who on our team you think struggles when they get the ball inside.

Everyone who can't use their off hand.
It's easy to learn to shoot with both hands. It just takes practice.
And the hook shot is the easiest shot of all to learn.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: gouki88 on December 08, 2017, 02:28:06 AM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.

I'm not sure who on our team you think struggles when they get the ball inside.
Definitely Al Horford when he tries to back someone's down.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 08, 2017, 02:49:26 AM
So much hero ball in one thread!
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Somebody on December 08, 2017, 02:50:16 AM
Hook shots aren't easy for everyone tbh, I've seen great shooters i HK who couldn't hit hook shots to save their lives, while I am mediocre at shooting and can hit skyhooks with both hands.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: DooVoo on December 08, 2017, 03:52:02 AM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.

I'm not sure who on our team you think struggles when they get the ball inside.

Everyone who can't use their off hand.
It's easy to learn to shoot with both hands. It just takes practice.
And the hook shot is the easiest shot of all to learn.

You act like these players don't practice or learn new things. This is their livelihood. Most have been playing ball their whole lives with numerous coaches teaching them. Coaches that know how to play the game as opposed to dudes on message boards. NBA level players constantly practice and try to improve their games. Marcus Smart constantly works on his shot, has top level coaching, but still can't shoot well. Basketball is really hard at the college and pro level. Most players know how to do the stuff Kyrie does but don't have that ability.

You make it sound so easy behind a computer screen. Hey go out and learn a hook shot! It's so easy! You'll score 40 a game if you just learn this one neat trick! Al Horford would be unstoppable! As if a 31 year old and 11 year vet doesn't know how to do a hook shot. He might simply not have a good one and it's not easy.

This reminds me of a story about Ted Williams being approached during spring training one year by a fan who told him his swing was all wrong and the fan offered to show him the proper way to swing a bat. At least they didn't have twitter and the internet back then.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 08, 2017, 06:08:07 AM
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You act like these players don't practice or learn new things. This is their livelihood. Most have been playing ball their whole lives with numerous coaches teaching them.

You have already mentioned Marcus shot and lack of improvement.  Why did Sully never stay in shape?  How about Lonzo Ball's shot?

One can make strong arguments that professional coaches assume their players know the game if they have made this far.   They don't have a ton of practice time once the season starts.   Also, some of this is on the players.   Coaches don't like to mess with player's shots either during the season.  Pros are treated like men and there is some sink or swim involved.

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Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

Who do you play for Chris?   How far have you made it with those skills?
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Chris22 on December 08, 2017, 01:42:06 PM
Learn to shoot a hook shot with either hand.

It makes it so easy, when you get the ball inside.

You can go straight up and protect the ball with your body.

I'm not sure who on our team you think struggles when they get the ball inside.

Everyone who can't use their off hand.
It's easy to learn to shoot with both hands. It just takes practice.
And the hook shot is the easiest shot of all to learn.

You act like these players don't practice or learn new things. This is their livelihood. Most have been playing ball their whole lives with numerous coaches teaching them. Coaches that know how to play the game as opposed to dudes on message boards. NBA level players constantly practice and try to improve their games. Marcus Smart constantly works on his shot, has top level coaching, but still can't shoot well. Basketball is really hard at the college and pro level. Most players know how to do the stuff Kyrie does but don't have that ability.

You make it sound so easy behind a computer screen. Hey go out and learn a hook shot! It's so easy! You'll score 40 a game if you just learn this one neat trick! Al Horford would be unstoppable! As if a 31 year old and 11 year vet doesn't know how to do a hook shot. He might simply not have a good one and it's not easy.

This reminds me of a story about Ted Williams being approached during spring training one year by a fan who told him his swing was all wrong and the fan offered to show him the proper way to swing a bat. At least they didn't have twitter and the internet back then.

It is easy to learn the hook shot. I learned to shoot it with each hand when I was 50.
And the hook shot was the favorite shot of the greatest scorer in NBA history.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: green_bballers13 on December 08, 2017, 03:13:59 PM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 08, 2017, 03:18:00 PM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?
I agree.

If it was an easy thing to master, every big man would have a lethal hook shot in their arsenal.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: jambr380 on December 08, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?
I agree.

If it was an easy thing to master, every big man would have a lethal hook shot in their arsenal.

I don't imagine Chris is talking about a Tommy Heinsohn style hook-shot, but more using your body to shield the defender and using your strong hand (this is more likely than being amazing with your off-hand) to get the ball off inside with touch.

Honestly, it really is an easy shot when you practice it. An off-balance lay-up isn't much different, but the footwork and momentum require practice. It really is a basic shot and something even some big men who can't shoot past 10 feet have been able to master.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Chris22 on December 08, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?

Because players are not taught to shoot it any more.
It's like blocking out. Is blocking out for rebounds hard? No. But players don't do it much any more.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 08, 2017, 06:01:27 PM
Memo: Hook shots are the same as blocking out.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: chilidawg on December 08, 2017, 06:37:27 PM
Memo to internet posters:  you know less than you think you do.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: vjcsmoke on December 08, 2017, 06:50:05 PM
I'm glad the hook shot is being brought up. I was just thinking, what if Joel Embiid was forced to pick up Shane Larkin on a switch? Wouldn't it be sweet if Larkin took Embid down low and had the ability to score on him using a hook shot?

lol you're dreaming.  shane larkin isn't even 6 feet tall.  he would get swatted into the next block.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: mgent on December 08, 2017, 07:08:16 PM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?

Not if they haven't seen the memo.

It's a secret technique that's no one's ever revealed to anybody on our team, thus why Chris22 created the thread.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Chris22 on December 09, 2017, 12:48:01 AM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?

Not if they haven't seen the memo.

It's a secret technique that's no one's ever revealed to anybody on our team, thus why Chris22 created the thread.

Tommy and Mike talk about it all the time. It's a forgotten shot.
When people begin to insult you personally, it means you have won the argument.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 09, 2017, 06:22:51 AM
If this was an office, this memo is useful in one way, at least we have something to spit our gum in.   I am sure that papers would feel the same.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: jambr380 on December 09, 2017, 08:11:52 AM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?

Not if they haven't seen the memo.

It's a secret technique that's no one's ever revealed to anybody on our team, thus why Chris22 created the thread.

Tommy and Mike talk about it all the time. It's a forgotten shot.
When people begin to insult you personally, it means you have won the argument.

Maybe the thread is a little too broad, but Lamarcus Aldridge's epic beat-down of (the no longer DPOY candidate) Al Horford proved just how useful a hook shot can be down low. Our guy scored 2 points where his only basket was on a fall-away post jumper; Aldridge, well he scored 27 on what appeared to be a record amount of post-up hook-shots on which Al was totally helpless.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: Chris22 on December 09, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?

Not if they haven't seen the memo.

It's a secret technique that's no one's ever revealed to anybody on our team, thus why Chris22 created the thread.

Tommy and Mike talk about it all the time. It's a forgotten shot.
When people begin to insult you personally, it means you have won the argument.

Maybe the thread is a little too broad, but Lamarcus Aldridge's epic beat-down of (the no longer DPOY candidate) Al Horford proved just how useful a hook shot can be down low. Our guy scored 2 points where his only basket was on a fall-away post jumper; Aldridge, well he scored 27 on what appeared to be a record amount of post-up hook-shots on which Al was totally helpless.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Memo to all the Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 09, 2017, 01:36:54 PM
It may have been easy for you to master, but for most of us mortals, the hook shot is not an easy shot. If it was easy, wouldn't every player have a good one?

Not if they haven't seen the memo.

It's a secret technique that's no one's ever revealed to anybody on our team, thus why Chris22 created the thread.

Tommy and Mike talk about it all the time. It's a forgotten shot.
When people begin to insult you personally, it means you have won the argument.

Maybe the thread is a little too broad, but Lamarcus Aldridge's epic beat-down of (the no longer DPOY candidate) Al Horford proved just how useful a hook shot can be down low. Our guy scored 2 points where his only basket was on a fall-away post jumper; Aldridge, well he scored 27 on what appeared to be a record amount of post-up hook-shots on which Al was totally helpless.
Disagree, although LA does have a size advantage to AL and also a skilled player, most of his hook shot is a difficult shot that's been contested by AL and he made them only because he is hot and also AL isn't in good condition, i will say he isn't likely to do it again any sooner in future meetings