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Title: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: dweeks7 on November 21, 2017, 02:35:04 PM
I was thinking what would make Boston an elite team that could challenge for a championship. In my opinion several thing need to happen.

1) Brown and Tatum need to continue to mature and become all-stars which they are doing.
2) Need Kyrie to be a legitimate MVP candidate which he has been doing the last few games
3) Get a really good big man that can be a rim protector, rebound, and shoot 3 pointers. Horford is good but he will be winding down once Tatum and Brown become all-stars

I was wondering how this could happen or who they could get. If they somehow lucked into a top 3 lottery pick then Andre Ayton would be the perfect piece to make this team a championship team.

I don't see that happening so maybe Danny can trade some of the assets for a good big man like Willie Cauley Stein or someone similar to him. He can't shoot 3 pointers yet but he is a good pick and roll defender and shot-blocker.

I'm not sure how Danny will go about getting this team over the hump but with Gordon back next year and a more mature team i think we would be one good big man away from being an elite team on the warriors level.

I was wondering if anyone agrees and if so what move could Danny make to put this team in elite status?

P.S. In my opinion Tatum and Brown are going to be on the same level as Embid and Simmons. I know that is crazy but I think it will happen.   
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 21, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
If you’re talking about years into the future...I agree. They’ll likely need to acquire an above average big, I would guess that’s what our next lotto pick will be used on.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Surferdad on November 21, 2017, 02:43:07 PM
WCS doesn't move the needle.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Emmette Bryant on November 21, 2017, 02:44:05 PM
I'd say the Celtics need someone who can come off the bench and get buckets.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: dweeks7 on November 21, 2017, 02:51:04 PM
WCS doesn't move the needle.

I think you are right but I could not think of a really good big that Boston would have a shot at.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: dweeks7 on November 21, 2017, 02:54:04 PM
WCS doesn't move the needle.

I think you are right but I could not think of a really good big that Boston would have a shot at.

It just hit me who would be an incredible fit with Boston right now. Mark Gasol would make this team elite in my opinion. There are a couple of reasons this probably won't happen. Gasol is 32 years old and I don't think Memphis would trade him and the cap space would be a problem.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on November 21, 2017, 02:57:23 PM
Time Travel:
If DA did what I told him to do and drafted MYLES TURNER...well we would not be having this convo. We could have done KO plus the 16th for their pick and etc.

btw we could have gotten the 11th pick had we also done what I said and lost 3 more games.

BUT I am very happy with Brown and Tatum

Also, another big in the same draft can be had cheaply as a reclamation project and a guy who has a 7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach....OKAFOR
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Atzar on November 21, 2017, 02:59:52 PM
WCS doesn't move the needle.

I think you are right but I could not think of a really good big that Boston would have a shot at.

It just hit me who would be an incredible fit with Boston right now. Mark Gasol would make this team elite in my opinion. There are a couple of reasons this probably won't happen. Gasol is 32 years old and I don't think Memphis would trade him and the cap space would be a problem.

IMO Marc Gasol is redundant with Al Horford.  Don't like that fit.

I do think the Celtics will need a big when Al declines, but I think they're solid at that position for now.  I think the more immediate need is a player who can give us some semblance of consistent offensive production off of the bench - preferably a guard.  A healthy Hayward would have solved that issue, but ifs and buts...
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: kozlodoev on November 21, 2017, 03:02:54 PM
No, Boston needs a guard. Will MIL be willing to part with Brogdon these days?
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: footey on November 21, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
Marco Belinelli makes the most sense to me. Hoping Hawks would be willing to give him up for a 2nd and trade exception.  Great shooter, and his defense is decent enough.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Big333223 on November 21, 2017, 03:27:44 PM
No, Boston needs a guard. Will MIL be willing to part with Brogdon these days?
They refused to include him in a deal for Bledsoe so I doubt the Celtics have anything that would entice them.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: tonydelk on November 21, 2017, 03:42:53 PM
A guy like Collins from ATL would be nice. 
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: kozlodoev on November 21, 2017, 04:22:45 PM
No, Boston needs a guard. Will MIL be willing to part with Brogdon these days?
They refused to include him in a deal for Bledsoe so I doubt the Celtics have anything that would entice them.
Yet, they've buried him on the bench and he barely does anything for them now. Perhaps things might change by the DL.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: jdz101 on November 21, 2017, 04:29:19 PM
I'd say the Celtics need someone who can come off the bench and get buckets.

Marcus Morris would be great for that.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: nickagneta on November 21, 2017, 04:37:02 PM
I think people are going to be so surprised with how good this team is going to be just with one more year of development out of Tatum and Brown and the addition of Hayward. Next year this team will be an elite team on both ends of the court and moving Morris to a sixth man position off the bench is going to fix a lot of the bench scoring problems.

A big will eventually be needed but I have to think Ainge is going to address that with the LA/Sac pick. That gives the team a year or more to develop him behind Horford. I also think Horford will resign for his last contract at a bargain rate and will take on the vet off the bench role that Iguodala has with GSW.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: kozlodoev on November 21, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
I'd say the Celtics need someone who can come off the bench and get buckets.

Marcus Morris would be great for that.
Nope. Not the droids you're looking for.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: PAOBoston on November 21, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
Marco Belinelli makes the most sense to me. Hoping Hawks would be willing to give him up for a 2nd and trade exception.  Great shooter, and his defense is decent enough.
I second this thought. He would be a good fit with either Smart or Rozier.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Snakehead on November 21, 2017, 05:03:03 PM
I do not agree.  They need someone off the bench who can really score.  I think they can adjust the line up though.  I hope they do and make Morris the bench scorer.  I think it would work out well for him and the team.  It doesn't make the bench scoring great but it'd work better.

With Hayward they wouldn't have the problem.

Honestly the post is kind of funny in you are asking for Al Horford.  Yeah he isn't young, but we still have him.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: chilidawg on November 21, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
Marcus Smart shooting league average makes this team a true contender.  Losing hope that's going to happen though.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Snakehead on November 21, 2017, 05:20:09 PM
Marcus Smart shooting league average makes this team a true contender.  Losing hope that's going to happen though.

He's still only 23 but I did hope for more early in this year.  It's still a long season. 

I will say he had 8 assists last game.  I thought they let him shoot within the zone and he was really off.  It took away the post game which I think has helped him so far this year find offense.

Maybe a good part out of this will be resigning Smart for a low price then he does shoot well in a season or two and he's a bargain.  Trying to be positive lol.  But really, his defense is so great.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Sophomore on November 21, 2017, 05:30:47 PM
I think people are going to be so surprised with how good this team is going to be just with one more year of development out of Tatum and Brown and the addition of Hayward. Next year this team will be an elite team on both ends of the court and moving Morris to a sixth man position off the bench is going to fix a lot of the bench scoring problems.

A big will eventually be needed but I have to think Ainge is going to address that with the LA/Sac pick. That gives the team a year or more to develop him behind Horford. I also think Horford will resign for his last contract at a bargain rate and will take on the vet off the bench role that Iguodala has with GSW.

A lot depends on whether that Lakers pick conveys. I would love to have a young big with talent coming up behind Al. The Lakers pick would give us that, and a long-term outlook that’s fantastic - we’d punk Golden State. But i doubt we get that pick. Which means looking for value and hoping for the Kings to stink...

Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on November 21, 2017, 05:41:52 PM
A guy like Collins from ATL would be nice.

A guy named Anthony Davis would too.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 21, 2017, 05:59:15 PM
I think people are going to be so surprised with how good this team is going to be just with one more year of development out of Tatum and Brown and the addition of Hayward. Next year this team will be an elite team on both ends of the court and moving Morris to a sixth man position off the bench is going to fix a lot of the bench scoring problems.

A big will eventually be needed but I have to think Ainge is going to address that with the LA/Sac pick. That gives the team a year or more to develop him behind Horford. I also think Horford will resign for his last contract at a bargain rate and will take on the vet off the bench role that Iguodala has with GSW.

A lot depends on whether that Lakers pick conveys. I would love to have a young big with talent coming up behind Al. The Lakers pick would give us that, and a long-term outlook that’s fantastic - we’d punk Golden State. But i doubt we get that pick. Which means looking for value and hoping for the Kings to stink...

I think it depends more on how we finish the season. If we make the Finals, you may see us move the pick (whether it conveys or not). We will be getting an All-Star in Hayward, but we may be ready to make another splash to make us not only bonafide contenders, but the favorites.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 21, 2017, 06:07:43 PM
Right now I agree with those who favor a shooter off the bench.  But with Hayward back next year and Morris off the bench things should be better. Perhaps Semi also gets more comfortable with the 3 over the course of the year. 

Aron Baynes expires this year and is likely in store for a healthy raise - not sure what Cs will be willing to spend on Baynes but without him next year, a defensive, rebounding big (hmm, like Baynes) will be a big need.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: dweeks7 on November 21, 2017, 06:11:24 PM
I do not agree.  They need someone off the bench who can really score.  I think they can adjust the line up though.  I hope they do and make Morris the bench scorer.  I think it would work out well for him and the team.  It doesn't make the bench scoring great but it'd work better.

With Hayward they wouldn't have the problem.

Honestly the post is kind of funny in you are asking for Al Horford.  Yeah he isn't young, but we still have him.

I agree with what you are saying but his timeline may not work out for the Celtics. He is a good power forward but we are missing Gordon Hayward and Tatum and Brown are not what they will be in 3 or 4 years. By that time he will not be the player he is today and he is not a true rim protector and re-bounder.

Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on November 21, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
We need anyone off the bench who can score when Smart and Rozier combine for 3-21. This is why people wanted Gerald Green back.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: rondohondo on November 21, 2017, 07:17:08 PM
Was thinking about Zach Randolph in Sacramento. Can we combine salary with the IPE?

He can still play at a pretty high level and carry the offense for stretches .
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: azzenfrost on November 21, 2017, 07:59:40 PM
Whoever it will be must be a competent defender as well.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: vjcsmoke on November 22, 2017, 04:06:47 PM
If the Lakers pick conveys we have a good chance to draft Bagley, Bamba, Porter Jr, or Ayton.  I'm gonna assume that Doncic goes #1 overall because his hype is unreal.  That's a pretty great selection of big men for Ainge to pick from.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: vjcsmoke on November 22, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
Right now I agree with those who favor a shooter off the bench.  But with Hayward back next year and Morris off the bench things should be better. Perhaps Semi also gets more comfortable with the 3 over the course of the year. 

Aron Baynes expires this year and is likely in store for a healthy raise - not sure what Cs will be willing to spend on Baynes but without him next year, a defensive, rebounding big (hmm, like Baynes) will be a big need.

If Baynes does not seek the moon I would like the Celtics to resign him on like a 2 or 3 year deal.  He really solidifies the D with his toughness, he can hit the open midrange on the pick and roll, and he's really helped our size and rebounding situation as well.

I would argue that resigning Baynes might be more important than resigning Smart because with Rozier at least we have a replacement on the roster.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: MichaelJ on November 22, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Trade for Vucevic, draft Porter.  Easy  8)
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: td450 on November 22, 2017, 04:54:52 PM
I think this has already happened.

Its pretty clear we are elite now, and one of the major reasons we made a leap from last year are Baynes and Theis. I also think the time will come when Yabusele is better than either of these two guys, although that may be a year or two away.

We also could get away with drafting nothing but big men for the next 4 years, given our depth everywhere else.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: 2short on November 22, 2017, 05:10:45 PM
I think Baynes is a keeper and Theis as well, Theis I feel deserves more minutes.  I think what we could use is a Gerald Green like player, vet who can sit and when called upon will score.  Deng was looking for an out from LA, he would be a nice addition but I don' think we have the minutes to give him.  Noel is just hanging on the bench, not a scorer but very good defender and with pick and roll and put backs he'd be good but again where do his minutes come?
Think we need to look for a competent vet who can fill in anywhere from no minutes to 20 if needed.  Almost like Scal used to do
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: vjcsmoke on November 23, 2017, 12:22:53 PM
If Deng gets bought out he actually could really help our team a lot.  Another veteran with savvy who can score on the 2nd unit would be a welcome addition.  And he has decent size too at 6'9.
Title: Re: Boston needs one more good big man to be elite
Post by: SparzWizard on November 23, 2017, 12:46:24 PM
We need a wing/guard who can score efficiently off the bench. Someone who can play the Tony Allen or Eddie House role. We're set with the bigs.