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Title: Kyrie clutch
Post by: PaulAllen on November 17, 2017, 10:37:21 AM
All time ..
Where do you rank him now? and Where do you rank him in the future?

Jordan, Bird, Miller, Magic, Kobe and probably Pierce ..

I think he will be top three by careers end...
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 17, 2017, 11:30:51 AM
you rate him above which of these players: jerry west? sam jones? magic? bird? jordan? miller? isaih thomas I?

thread seems rooted too much in the recent nba and a bit early in kyrie's career.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Rosco917 on November 17, 2017, 11:33:04 AM
you rate him above which of these players: jerry west? sam jones? magic? bird? jordan? miller? isaih thomas I?

thread seems rooted too much in the recent nba and a bit early in kyrie's career.


This^

I need to see more.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 17, 2017, 11:33:56 AM
you rate him above which of these players: jerry west? sam jones? magic? bird? jordan? miller? isaih thomas I?

thread seems rooted too much in the recent nba and a bit early in kyrie's career.


This^

I need to see more.

agreed
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Moranis on November 17, 2017, 11:43:55 AM
Did Irving even make a shot in the clutch last night?  He got to the line a lot, which is great, but he seemed to miss a lot of shots, many of them open or at the rim area.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: kozlodoev on November 17, 2017, 12:13:03 PM
Did Irving even make a shot in the clutch last night?  He got to the line a lot, which is great, but he seemed to miss a lot of shots, many of them open or at the rim area.
In fairness, "King in the Fouth" Thomas had some similar nights last year before he caught lightning in a bottle. Irving found a way to net us 11 points in the fourth which should be good enough a tough game where he's playing with a facial fracture.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Roy H. on November 17, 2017, 01:02:18 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.

Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: moiso on November 17, 2017, 01:05:28 PM
Did Irving even make a shot in the clutch last night?  He got to the line a lot, which is great, but he seemed to miss a lot of shots, many of them open or at the rim area.
I was pretty dissapointed in Irving for the entire game.  He seemed a little passive given the magnitude of the game.  I was expecting him to take over at the end which he never did either.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: PaulAllen on November 17, 2017, 01:08:24 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.

Ability to close the game .. not just one shot... I like to use the final 5 minutes of total efficiency ... We have seen it in the finals with Cleveland and are starting to see it already in Boston..

I just feel while he hasnt played as long as Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Magic etc .. His clutch performances are probably at a higher percentage than anyone during his total amount time played ..
just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Roy H. on November 17, 2017, 01:17:28 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.

Ability to close the game .. not just one shot... I like to use the final 5 minutes of total efficiency ... We have seen it in the finals with Cleveland and are starting to see it already in Boston..

I just feel while he hasnt played as long as Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Magic etc .. His clutch performances are probably at a higher percentage than anyone during his total amount time played ..
just my 2 cents

I hear this a lot, which is why I asked.

Last year, his “clutch” numbers were terrible.

http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=GP
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Granath on November 17, 2017, 01:24:22 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.

Ability to close the game .. not just one shot... I like to use the final 5 minutes of total efficiency ... We have seen it in the finals with Cleveland and are starting to see it already in Boston..

I just feel while he hasnt played as long as Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Magic etc .. His clutch performances are probably at a higher percentage than anyone during his total amount time played ..
just my 2 cents

I hear this a lot, which is why I asked.

Last year, his “clutch” numbers were terrible.

http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=GP

Exactly this.

Kyrie shoots a lot late in close games so he's going to have a number of winning shots. But his overall numbers aren't very good. 39% from the field and 22% from 3 is awful. Those numbers aren't an anomaly either. 36%/28% in 2015. 37%/35% in 2014.

I'm glad he's not afraid to take the big shots. But he actually isn't particularly good at making them.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: kozlodoev on November 17, 2017, 01:28:58 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.

Ability to close the game .. not just one shot... I like to use the final 5 minutes of total efficiency ... We have seen it in the finals with Cleveland and are starting to see it already in Boston..

I just feel while he hasnt played as long as Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Magic etc .. His clutch performances are probably at a higher percentage than anyone during his total amount time played ..
just my 2 cents

I hear this a lot, which is why I asked.

Last year, his “clutch” numbers were terrible.

http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=GP
Other guys with horrible clutch numbers on this list: Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, Damian Lillard, DeMarcus Cousins, and Anthony Davis.

He'll be fine. He's shooting 56% in the clutch so far this season, and leads the league with 5.8 clutch points.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: jpotter33 on November 17, 2017, 03:02:16 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.

Ability to close the game .. not just one shot... I like to use the final 5 minutes of total efficiency ... We have seen it in the finals with Cleveland and are starting to see it already in Boston..

I just feel while he hasnt played as long as Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Magic etc .. His clutch performances are probably at a higher percentage than anyone during his total amount time played ..
just my 2 cents

I hear this a lot, which is why I asked.

Last year, his “clutch” numbers were terrible.

http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=GP
Other guys with horrible clutch numbers on this list: Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, Damian Lillard, DeMarcus Cousins, and Anthony Davis.

He'll be fine. He's shooting 56% in the clutch so far this season, and leads the league with 5.8 clutch points.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/931609317324804097

Yeah, he's doing more than fine this year.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: unclebay on November 17, 2017, 03:26:57 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.
Huh? Like,  a couple dozen other shots.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 17, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
Did Irving even make a shot in the clutch last night?  He got to the line a lot, which is great, but he seemed to miss a lot of shots, many of them open or at the rim area.
I was pretty dissapointed in Irving for the entire game.  He seemed a little passive given the magnitude of the game.  I was expecting him to take over at the end which he never did either.
He outscored Golden State 11-10 down the stretch.
Title: Re: Kyrie clutch
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 17, 2017, 03:38:45 PM
What defines Kyrie as clutch outside of one really big shot?  I’m genuinely curious.

Ability to close the game .. not just one shot... I like to use the final 5 minutes of total efficiency ... We have seen it in the finals with Cleveland and are starting to see it already in Boston..

I just feel while he hasnt played as long as Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Magic etc .. His clutch performances are probably at a higher percentage than anyone during his total amount time played ..
just my 2 cents

I hear this a lot, which is why I asked.

Last year, his “clutch” numbers were terrible.

http://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=GP
Other guys with horrible clutch numbers on this list: Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, Damian Lillard, DeMarcus Cousins, and Anthony Davis.

He'll be fine. He's shooting 56% in the clutch so far this season, and leads the league with 5.8 clutch points.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/931609317324804097

Yeah, he's doing more than fine this year.
"clutch" metrics suck.

some "clutch" metrics tell you Kobe Bryant wasnt very clutch