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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: jbpats on November 17, 2017, 08:53:07 AM
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The narrative today is driving me insane. The refs bailed us out, the free throw disparity was almost double between the Celtics and Warriors blah blah blah.
I agree Kyries end of game foul should not have been called, however why are we hearing so much about the refs and not how we held the Warriors to 88 POINTS! How we held Steph and Klay to 22 points COMBINED?!?
Maybe the disparity is because the Celtics are a driving team and the Warriors are a shooting team, obviously free throws will favor those who drive to the hoop.
I think it's time we keep a running list of excuses why the Celtics keep winning.
In addition to the refs bailing us out here are some of my other favorites so far this season:
"soft schedule"
"no significant road wins"
"we beat the spurs because of no Kawhi"
"The young guys won't be able to last a full season at this level"
Lets keep adding to the list, and hopefully Stevens and the coaching staff keep reminding this team how they are being disrespected across the media.
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Yeah, it was a bad call, but there are a handful of bad calls in every game. The Celts earned that game.
Now, in some theoretical simulation where we replayed this season 100 times, would I expect a 14 game streak to happen consistently? No, probably not. But, for every excuse why our record is a fluke, there have been equal reasons why you can argue the Celts have had bad luck with injuries, scheduling, etc.
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Anybody really surprised? I don’t know how you can have the #1 defense in the league and get lucky enough to win 14 straight games. CBS must be the David Cooperfield of basketball then lol
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Beat OKC, on the road.
Beat SAS, always a tough team (great coach).
Beat GSW, the champs.
It will take beating Houston on Dec 28 for the "soft schedule" comments (C. Barkley) to fade.
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You are not going to hear main stream media give the Celtics any credit. Why? Golden State is their team.
Everyone before this game was predicting a golden state massacre. Vegas gave the Warriors 7 points at the Garden.
Tooday... in order to save their takes and predictions they will be spouting about how the refs robbed Their Warriors.
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Yeah, it was a bad call, but there are a handful of bad calls in every game. The Celts earned that game.
Now, in some theoretical simulation where we replayed this season 100 times, would I expect a 14 game streak to happen consistently? No, probably not. But, for every excuse why our record is a fluke, there have been equal reasons why you can argue the Celts have had bad luck with injuries, scheduling, etc.
good points. yes, the points made by others are relevent. but, the warriors, and others, sooner or later have similar things happen to them.
but commentators should also acknowledge the injuries the team has had this year. how many games missed so far by starters? and only 4 players carry over from last year, so it takes time for the team to learn to play together.
so, if the injured, newly built celtics can win 14 in a row (and counting) what could this team do if healthy and playing together? that is also a question worth pondering.
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We all are guilty of this when our team loses and there is a foul shot disparity. Nature of being a fan.
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I don't understand complaining about that Kyrie foul though because Horford was uncontested and tipped it in. That would have happened whether the whistle blew or not.
In physical games, you can always point to a million different plays that could have gone one way or another.
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Nothing will change until the Celtics beat certain teams in the playoffs.
Beat the Cavs in the playoffs, move up a level of respect. (though I can see the media saying the Cavs have come back down)
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Yeah, it was a bad call, but there are a handful of bad calls in every game. The Celts earned that game.
Now, in some theoretical simulation where we replayed this season 100 times, would I expect a 14 game streak to happen consistently? No, probably not. But, for every excuse why our record is a fluke, there have been equal reasons why you can argue the Celts have had bad luck with injuries, scheduling, etc.
There were awful calls on both sides by the refs last night. At one point Morris got mauled after shooting a 3 (not allowed to land before getting knocked into the stands), but somehow no foul was called. Tons of uncalled travels, too (anyone else remember the double dribble in transition that the refs ignored?). The refs called the game extremely loose, but I wouldn't say it was lopsided in any direction (even if it felt like it at times)
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Beat OKC, on the road.
Beat SAS, always a tough team (great coach).
Beat GSW, the champs.
It will take beating Houston on Dec 28 for the "soft schedule" comments (C. Barkley) to fade.
The critics also overlook the highly significant fact that this is basically a whole new roster, with 6 rookies. Soft schedule or not, we were widely, and reasonably, expected to struggle significantly in the first half of the season while learning the system and learning how to play with each other.
Winning 14 in a row while beating the Spurs, OKC, and GS is just unheard of in that case.
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Nothing will change until the Celtics beat certain teams in the playoffs.
Beat the Cavs in the playoffs, move up a level of respect. (though I can see the media saying the Cavs have come back down)
At some point we're going to have to start saying "IF the Cavs make the playoffs". Seriously, can they even withstand a Lebron ankle sprain at this point?
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Yeah, it was a bad call, but there are a handful of bad calls in every game. The Celts earned that game.
Now, in some theoretical simulation where we replayed this season 100 times, would I expect a 14 game streak to happen consistently? No, probably not. But, for every excuse why our record is a fluke, there have been equal reasons why you can argue the Celts have had bad luck with injuries, scheduling, etc.
There were awful calls on both sides by the refs last night. At one point Morris got mauled after shooting a 3 (not allowed to land before getting knocked into the stands), but somehow no foul was called. Tons of uncalled travels, too (anyone else remember the double dribble in transition that the refs ignored?). The refs called the game extremely loose, but I wouldn't say it was lopsided in any direction (even if it felt like it at times)
Even late, there was the time Green got to the line when he was ruled to be in the act of shooting despite pretty clearly throwing a bounce pass.
The Celtics were just more aggressive, and were rewarded. As I noted in the game thread, in the second half they had 13 official shot attempts in the restricted area to the Warriors 3, and the disparity was even larger when you factor in the plays that don’t count as shot attempts because fouls were called. This is why the Celtics took 1.58 free throws per Warriors foul while the Warriors took only 1.27 free throws per Celtics foul. The Celtics earned their trips to the line by not settling for jump shots.
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Beat OKC, on the road.
Beat SAS, always a tough team (great coach).
Beat GSW, the champs.
It will take beating Houston on Dec 28 for the "soft schedule" comments (C. Barkley) to fade.
The critics also overlook the highly significant fact that this is basically a whole new roster, with 6 rookies. Soft schedule or not, we were widely, and reasonably, expected to struggle significantly in the first half of the season while learning the system and learning how to play with each other.
Winning 14 in a row while beating the Spurs, OKC, and GS is just unheard of in that case.
Don’t forget Toronto without Kyrie. And Charlotte (mediocre tho they are) without any of the big 3.
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If a team is fouling every play you take it to the hole like Celtics did. Kyrie was fouled. He was raked across the face and that made him miss. Hence a foul. What a bunch of entitled babies Golden State is. They should be fined. Every one else is when they complain.
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Nothing will change until the Celtics beat certain teams in the playoffs.
Beat the Cavs in the playoffs, move up a level of respect. (though I can see the media saying the Cavs have come back down)
At some point we're going to have to start saying "IF the Cavs make the playoffs". Seriously, can they even withstand a Lebron ankle sprain at this point?
LeBron has never missed more than 13 games in a season, and his longest stretch of consecutive games missed was 9. Unless IT is unable to return and/or a shell of his former self (which I wouldn’t bet on), they’ll make the playoffs. They might cost themselves home court in the second round, but they’ll be there, barring the worst injury of LeBron’s career.
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Vegas gave the Warriors 7 points at the Garden.
7 1/2 actually.
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Nothing will change until the Celtics beat certain teams in the playoffs.
Beat the Cavs in the playoffs, move up a level of respect. (though I can see the media saying the Cavs have come back down)
At some point we're going to have to start saying "IF the Cavs make the playoffs". Seriously, can they even withstand a Lebron ankle sprain at this point?
LeBron has never missed more than 13 games in a season, and his longest stretch of consecutive games missed was 9. Unless IT is unable to return and/or a shell of his former self (which I wouldn’t bet on), they’ll make the playoffs. They might cost themselves home court in the second round, but they’ll be there, barring the worst injury of LeBron’s career.
Lebron has never been this old, playing this many minutes, and carrying this much of a load. I don't see how the career of a younger Lebron is an indication of how healthy an older Lebron will be. There's a ticking clock for everyone. Will it be this year that he wears down? Who knows? But his heavy minutes are predictor of trouble. The fact that a younger Lebron has been healthy is not a predictor that an older Lebron also will be. The rest of the team needs to step up and Lebron needs to rest more while the team still wins.
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Nothing will change until the Celtics beat certain teams in the playoffs.
Beat the Cavs in the playoffs, move up a level of respect. (though I can see the media saying the Cavs have come back down)
At some point we're going to have to start saying "IF the Cavs make the playoffs". Seriously, can they even withstand a Lebron ankle sprain at this point?
LeBron has never missed more than 13 games in a season, and his longest stretch of consecutive games missed was 9. Unless IT is unable to return and/or a shell of his former self (which I wouldn’t bet on), they’ll make the playoffs. They might cost themselves home court in the second round, but they’ll be there, barring the worst injury of LeBron’s career.
Lebron has never been this old, playing this many minutes, and carrying this much of a load. I don't see how the career of a younger Lebron is an indication of how healthy an older Lebron will be. There's a ticking clock for everyone. Will it be this year that he wears down? Who knows? But his heavy minutes are predictor of trouble. The fact that a younger Lebron has been healthy is not a predictor that an older Lebron also will be. The rest of the team needs to step up and Lebron needs to rest more while the team still wins.
Dude, it's the East. The Cavaliers will make the playoffs.
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The narrative today is driving me insane. The refs bailed us out, the free throw disparity was almost double between the Celtics and Warriors blah blah blah.
I agree Kyries end of game foul should not have been called, however why are we hearing so much about the refs and not how we held the Warriors to 88 POINTS! How we held Steph and Klay to 22 points COMBINED?!?
Maybe the disparity is because the Celtics are a driving team and the Warriors are a shooting team, obviously free throws will favor those who drive to the hoop.
I think it's time we keep a running list of excuses why the Celtics keep winning.
In addition to the refs bailing us out here are some of my other favorites so far this season:
"soft schedule"
"no significant road wins"
"we beat the spurs because of no Kawhi"
"The young guys won't be able to last a full season at this level"
Lets keep adding to the list, and hopefully Stevens and the coaching staff keep reminding this team how they are being disrespected across the media.
I am just curious that no one seems to mention that if the foul was not called Horford had an easy bunny put back. He layed it in on the play. Give me a break with the whining. The Warriors are not used to losing and they have forgotten how to lose gracefully, including Kerr. There were plenty of crappy calls that went against the Celtics in the first half. How about the phantom shooting foul when the GS player was clearly passing, might have been Igudola not sure. Green hacks and holds on almost every play and very rarely is called. Please stop with the embarrassing excuses.
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Yeah, it was a bad call, but there are a handful of bad calls in every game. The Celts earned that game.
Now, in some theoretical simulation where we replayed this season 100 times, would I expect a 14 game streak to happen consistently? No, probably not. But, for every excuse why our record is a fluke, there have been equal reasons why you can argue the Celts have had bad luck with injuries, scheduling, etc.
Yes, there were a bunch of cringeworthy calls last night. I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that a good glut of them went our way. Are we finally being given the benefit of a doubt by the refs?
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I would like to say OKC was a significant team that we played...in the 14 game win streak, a few of the team i wouldn't really label as "bad teams"
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I would like to say OKC was a significant team that we played...in the 14 game win streak, a few of the team i wouldn't really label as "bad teams"
yup.....at the time we met OKC , they were heralded as the next super power in the West behind GS. Mello was a god again .....he plays unselfish ball......they look unbeatable ., yada yada yada ...media frenzy with the " Name " players to garner lots of attention to their media outlets . Bah humbug ....
Since that loss to the C's they haven't been riding so high. Their egos took a massive hit.
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The narrative today is driving me insane. The refs bailed us out, the free throw disparity was almost double between the Celtics and Warriors blah blah blah.
I agree Kyries end of game foul should not have been called, however why are we hearing so much about the refs and not how we held the Warriors to 88 POINTS! How we held Steph and Klay to 22 points COMBINED?!?
Maybe the disparity is because the Celtics are a driving team and the Warriors are a shooting team, obviously free throws will favor those who drive to the hoop.
I think it's time we keep a running list of excuses why the Celtics keep winning.
In addition to the refs bailing us out here are some of my other favorites so far this season:
"soft schedule"
"no significant road wins"
"we beat the spurs because of no Kawhi"
"The young guys won't be able to last a full season at this level"
Lets keep adding to the list, and hopefully Stevens and the coaching staff keep reminding this team how they are being disrespected across the media.
I am just curious that no one seems to mention that if the foul was not called Horford had an easy bunny put back. He layed it in on the play. Give me a break with the whining. The Warriors are not used to losing and they have forgotten how to lose gracefully, including Kerr. There were plenty of crappy calls that went against the Celtics in the first half. How about the phantom shooting foul when the GS player was clearly passing, might have been Igudola not sure. Green hacks and holds on almost every play and very rarely is called. Please stop with the embarrassing excuses.
It's been mentioned a few times, but yes, people seem to be conveniently leaving that out. Argue about other plays, sure. That one was two points either way. The foul call actually hurt the Celtics on that play because Horford already scored on the follow up.
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The one foul was questionable, but Al had an uncontested put back jam, so the the refs did GSW a favor with that call.
Big mouth idiot Draymond was complaining about the fouls, which only makes the win that much sweeter.
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Look, when it comes to last night's game the refs gifted the Cs with numerous questionable calls, especially down the stretch. That's not to say the refs were unfair all night. They were bad much of the night. They missed obvious fouls on both sides while calling minor touch fouls at others. The game was called in a very uneven fashion. At the end it was called almost exclusively in favor of the Cs and that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. If it went the other way, this board would be screaming bloody murder this morning.
With that said, as others have pointed out the Celtics were the more aggressive team going down the stretch. Rather than settle for long jumpers, they took the ball to the hole and were rewarded by the refs for it. Give credit to Brad and the team for doing so.
As for the rest of the excuses, it's either sour grapes or an inability to admit they were wrong. The Cs are defying many public remarks by these talking heads that the Cs would step back this year because of the roster turnover, the young bench and Hayward's injury. These guys wrote, spoke or tweeted the demise of the Cs for this year. Now they look very, very wrong very, very quickly. Most times when they're wrong it takes some time for that to develop. In this case it was almost instantaneous and thus there's a lot of "yeah, but" type of comments about the Celtics because they don't want to admit they were wrong right off the bat. Some of the others are the same haters who have been haters for years.
Either way, don't focus on it. The Celtics are winning. Enjoy it.
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Tp, greenath.
One other thing I noticed last night was Kevin Durant’s game. I feel like almost every elite player has tricks designed to get a foul, not make a basket. Durant didn’t seem to do that last night. For example I never got the sense he was trying to fake Jaylen Brown into the air so he could jump into him and get to the line. Compare Toronto... I’m tempted to say he’s naive for leaving money on the table, but mostly I respect him more..
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The narrative today is driving me insane. The refs bailed us out, the free throw disparity was almost double between the Celtics and Warriors blah blah blah.
I agree Kyries end of game foul should not have been called, however why are we hearing so much about the refs and not how we held the Warriors to 88 POINTS! How we held Steph and Klay to 22 points COMBINED?!?
Maybe the disparity is because the Celtics are a driving team and the Warriors are a shooting team, obviously free throws will favor those who drive to the hoop.
I think it's time we keep a running list of excuses why the Celtics keep winning.
In addition to the refs bailing us out here are some of my other favorites so far this season:
"soft schedule"
"no significant road wins"
"we beat the spurs because of no Kawhi"
"The young guys won't be able to last a full season at this level"
Lets keep adding to the list, and hopefully Stevens and the coaching staff keep reminding this team how they are being disrespected across the media.
I am just curious that no one seems to mention that if the foul was not called Horford had an easy bunny put back. He layed it in on the play. Give me a break with the whining. The Warriors are not used to losing and they have forgotten how to lose gracefully, including Kerr. There were plenty of crappy calls that went against the Celtics in the first half. How about the phantom shooting foul when the GS player was clearly passing, might have been Igudola not sure. Green hacks and holds on almost every play and very rarely is called. Please stop with the embarrassing excuses.
It was green he the the ball sideways because he was trying to pass it back to curry.
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I would like to say OKC was a significant team that we played...in the 14 game win streak, a few of the team i wouldn't really label as "bad teams"
yup.....at the time we met OKC , they were heralded as the next super power in the West behind GS. Mello was a god again .....he plays unselfish ball......they look unbeatable ., yada yada yada ...media frenzy with the " Name " players to garner lots of attention to their media outlets . Bah humbug ....
Since that loss to the C's they haven't been riding so high. Their egos took a massive hit.
Exactly.
To be down 18 against a (overly) cocky team like OKC in their building was a measuring stick.
We have a road win in Milwaukee while everyone was slobbering over Giannis (first to hold him under 30).
We won in Orlando when I believe they had the second best record in the East.
We held the mighty Zinger to 12 points (and NOBODY can contain him!) while drubbing the Knicks.
The Spurs are playing at a 50-win pace without Kawhi, nothing to scoff at.
We beat Toronto without Kyrie.
We beat Charlotte without Horford AND Kyrie.
People want to crown Simmons and Embiid, yet we held them to 22 combined on 8-27 shooting in Philly.
And of course, beating the “unbeatable,” the almighty Warriors. They certainly showed up motivated and couldn’t handle us like they run every other scared team off the court. Sure it was only one game, but we have their attention now. They are the well-oiled machine. We are the work-in-progress. We are going to get better. We have the young studs. We have an All-Star on the shelf. And we still beat them in a playoff-like atmosphere. Even if you want to say our time isn’t NOW, it’s not LATER either. It’s SOON.
The truth is you don’t run off a streak this long without some quality wins. I have been impressed with 9 of them so far.
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I wouldn't necessarily say that the refs bailed out The Celtics but The Celtics did a lot of calls that they have not been getting and they didn't call quite a few calls on the defensive end. They used to call it home cooking. It's been a long time since we have gotten any. The refs always effect the game even it's just calling it very balanced. The refs always have some effect. I think some of the no calls took The Warriors out of the game. It was still amazing that The Celtics won. It was the best game I've watched this year.
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I think overall we got more calls then we should have, but there have also been games during this streak where it went the other way. All you can do is play the game as its called, and we've won 14 straight despite some uneven officiating and injury misfortune.
That being said its a good lesson for fans on this blog about what they sound like when they start complaining abut the refs.
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As inspired by David Letterman...
Top 10 excuses for why we keep winning:
10. Opponents keep falling for that “Look out behind you!” trick.
9. We know where all the cracks in the parquet are.
8. Other team eats the catering from the Garden food stands.
7. It’s Obama’s fault.
6. The opposing team is intimidated by my good looks when I’m in the crowd.
5. Always mistake Brad Stevens for somebody’s teenage son.
4. They don’t fiddle and diddle.
3. We have leprechauns.
2. Belichick steals signals and relays them to CBS.
And the #1 excuse for our 14-game winning streak…
We’re better than they are.
Mike
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Walter lets the air out of the game ball .... :)
Pretty much ...Global warming is on the Celtics side.
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GS state only has to look in the mirror and see their shooting percentages to know why they lost. The most powerful offense was tamed by the most powerful defense!
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As inspired by David Letterman...
Top 10 excuses for why we keep winning:
10. Opponents keep falling for that “Look out behind you!” trick.
9. We know where all the cracks in the parquet are.
8. Other team eats the catering from the Garden food stands.
7. It’s Obama’s fault.
6. The opposing team is intimidated by my good looks when I’m in the crowd.
5. Always mistake Brad Stevens for somebody’s teenage son.
4. They don’t fiddle and diddle.
3. We have leprechauns.
2. Belichick steals signals and relays them to CBS.
And the #1 excuse for our 14-game winning streak…
We’re better than they are.
Mike
https://youtu.be/puLg7WaaN4Y
Ana Kasparian, is that you?! 😂 (JK by the way. I just couldn't pass up a chance to make fun of the Young Turks.)
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I think context is important to every win.
1. Klay and Steph shot awfully. A lot of this was due to our physical defense and their foul trouble, but still. Those guys are the GOAT shooters, they had big off-days. Not super-likely to happen with regularity.
2. Officiating was bad and largely in our favor. Brown block on Klay was absurd. Some of the fouls down the stretch were really really soft. Like Smart foul on Butler type soft.
3. Officiating went both ways. Not 100% pro Boston. Klay had an obvious goaltend and Draymond got free throws on a pass. I also thought there was a sketchy offensive foul on Tatum and a blocking foul on Marcus that looked like a charge to me.
4. Kyrie also had an off-day. Just like Curry and Klay were bothered by defense, Kyrie was too. Just like Steph and Klay, Kyrie is still better than he actually shot. Missed a bunch of really makeable shots and even if you D him up the way GS did, he was uncharacteristically bad until the last 5 minutes.
We HAVE been lucky on this stretch. Teams are shooting worse against us than our defense deserves. We are squeaking out some lucky wins and this record in tight games is unsustainable.
However, the "havent played anybody line" which was absolutely appropriate through the first 8 or so games is bogus now.
Golden State, Toronto without Irving, and OKC. Those are 3 big wins.
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"They weren´t playing serious"
So many Warrios fans.
Oh boy.
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Brown block on Klay was absurd.
I wouldn't call it that. Brown got ball with his fingers.
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Brown block on Klay was absurd.
I wouldn't call it that. Brown got ball with his fingers.
That the one where he went to block from behind, fingertips grazed the ball while getting mostly arm with Brown's right hand, and his left hand was holding Klay's left shoulder?
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I don't understand complaining about that Kyrie foul though because Horford was uncontested and tipped it in. That would have happened whether the whistle blew or not.
In physical games, you can always point to a million different plays that could have gone one way or another.
TP for this. Horford was right behind and had an uncontested putback when Kyrie drove to the hoop. 2 or 3 guys collapsed on him as he drove by which left Al being all alone for the follow up.
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I just checked the NBA two minute report and the foul on Kyrie at 14 seconds was a "CORRECT CALL"
http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/11/L2M-GSW-BOS-11-16-2017.pdf (http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/11/L2M-GSW-BOS-11-16-2017.pdf)
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I watched the game again today carefully.
Thompson could not cover Kyrie.
Smart created chaos on the defensive end.
It was not the refs.
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they shot poor , cause unlike 75 % of NBA teams Celtics play hard nose defense for 4 quarters .
You shoot bad when the pressure is on 48 minutes.
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I can't say that the post game dialogue was "dominated" by the foul disparity.
I will say, obviously, the game was defensive struggle. Watch it again, the Warrior's defense was superb. The Celtics were ineffective from the field as the Warrior's D was tight. So many Celtics shots came with the clock expiring.
The Celtic's bench could do little against the Warrior's bench, Kerr used his "size" players really well and Stevens matched him man for man, but, C's bench struggled mightily.
It really was a playoff game.
This game was essentially the top offensive team in the NBA versus the top defensive team. In a high pitched playoff atmosphere, the defensive team on their court should have a slight advantage.
I feel that Stevens is a better coach that Kerr by a sliver.
The Warriors have a very talented team that is borderline historic in it's quality.
The Warriors were "supposed" to win last night. That is a heavy load against a top defensive team on their home court.
The two team's benches do not matchup well. The Warrior's have size and execute their defense at a high level. The Celtic's bench didn't have answers except for when Tatum finally started to commit.
Yea, the Celtics got a lot of foul calls and this related directly to one drive to the hoop after another...which made sense as they hit a barn from outside.
As fans we can be very confident about these.
Our team is not reliant on:
A streaky outside shooter having a big night.
Raining down record numbers of three point attempts.
Playing over their heads against more talented teams. (Yes, that was last year)
The Celtics players have fully bought in on defense. They are big enough and yes, young enough and athletic enough to maintain defensive pressure for four quarters.
Offensive teams can have an off night and are challenged against top defensive teams.
A great defensive team helps you weather a 31% shooting night and in high pressure, big money games? Has the advantage.
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"They weren´t playing serious"
So many Warrios fans.
Oh boy.
Yeah, sure ::)
National tv game against the best [current] team in the NBA coming in on a 13 game win streak. If there was ever a regular season game GSW wanted to win, it was this one. That's what makes this win that much more impressive. It's not like we caught them off guard like Detroit or Memphis may have - they were ready for us (Kerr even commented on it) - and they still couldn't pull it out. Bummer for GSW - sorry guys!!
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I saw this thread a few hours ago, glanced over it then went to see Justice League with my oldest son.
LOVED the movie. If you like DC or comic books you SHOULD go see it. You won't be disappointed. We weren't.
But back to the game....the GSW - BOS game "I" saw gave me a glimpse of our Boston Celtics that I've RARELY seen - a team that KNEW they had to defend just about EVERY SHOT from EVERY GSW player.
Coach Brad Stevens prepared BOS for this game. He set the tone and those players KNEW what they had to do.
They ran at Steph.
Klay was sucking wind with several minutes still left.
BOS made VERY FEW mistakes.....
Durant's height saved him on several of his shots because he TOO - was well defended.
Back to my "RARE" statement--------when the great Glenn "Doc" Rivers coached KG, Paul and Co we'd see MAYBE 2-3 quarters of stifling defense against our toughest foes...then due to simple lack of focus or our advancing age we couldn't (or didn't) keep it up.
Not THIS team.
We attacked Defensively AND Offensively - nearly the ENTIRE game.
The Golden State Warriors faced their TOUGHEST and GRITTIEST foe last night - in perhaps the last few years.
We EARNED that win. GSW "WANTED" that win.
If we stay healthy we could very well see them again in June BUT we first have to deal with CLE, DET, TOR, PHI, WAS and perhaps even MIL.
Boy IF / WHEN we get Gordon back look out.
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I was a little surprised to hear Danny Leroux address the officiating on Dunc’d On the next day. He’s a Golden State guy but they try to be as objective as possible and rarely call out the refs so it seemed a little petty of him to bring it up. Funny, I’ve never heard him bring up the officiating when GS has gotten the benefit of plenty of calls in plenty of games.
The Kyrie call at the end wasn’t as controversial as some are making it out to be. He got hit going to the hoop and if there was no call, Al would’ve gotten the putback. Jaylen climbing Klay like a ladder and swatting his wrist was another story but that wasn’t in the deciding moments.
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I was a little surprised to hear Danny Leroux address the officiating on Dunc’d On the next day. He’s a Golden State guy but they try to be as objective as possible and rarely call out the refs so it seemed a little petty of him to bring it up. Funny, I’ve never heard him bring up the officiating when GS has gotten the benefit of plenty of calls in plenty of games.
The Kyrie call at the end wasn’t as controversial as some are making it out to be. He got hit going to the hoop and if there was no call, Al would’ve gotten the putback. Jaylen climbing Klay like a ladder and swatting his wrist was another story but that wasn’t in the deciding moments.
Golden State gets more bad calls / no calls in their favor than any team in the league. The NBA has allowed them to man-handle opponents, get away with techs, and rewarded Draymond for targeting opponents.
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Tp, greenath.
One other thing I noticed last night was Kevin Durant’s game. I feel like almost every elite player has tricks designed to get a foul, not make a basket. Durant didn’t seem to do that last night. For example I never got the sense he was trying to fake Jaylen Brown into the air so he could jump into him and get to the line. Compare Toronto... I’m tempted to say he’s naive for leaving money on the table, but mostly I respect him more..
That's because his signature rip through to draw fouls has been taken away.
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I was a little surprised to hear Danny Leroux address the officiating on Dunc’d On the next day. He’s a Golden State guy but they try to be as objective as possible and rarely call out the refs so it seemed a little petty of him to bring it up. Funny, I’ve never heard him bring up the officiating when GS has gotten the benefit of plenty of calls in plenty of games.
The Kyrie call at the end wasn’t as controversial as some are making it out to be. He got hit going to the hoop and if there was no call, Al would’ve gotten the putback. Jaylen climbing Klay like a ladder and swatting his wrist was another story but that wasn’t in the deciding moments.
Golden State gets more bad calls / no calls in their favor than any team in the league. The NBA has allowed them to man-handle opponents, get away with techs, and rewarded Draymond for targeting opponents.
To be fair Danny Leroux wasn't actually questioning the officiating as the above quote implies, I believe he went on to say as a whole that the officiating wasn't that bad. He did have a problem with that final Kyrie call, and he said that as a whole it was a shame the game had to really shift on a call like that because its all anybody would talk about. And he's not wrong, the call was borderline (50/50, I wouldn't have called it, let them play), and people are using it to devalue the Celtics win. Overall tho he didn't have much problem with the officiating even pointing out numerus ties that the warriors can get foul prone.
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I was a little surprised to hear Danny Leroux address the officiating on Dunc’d On the next day. He’s a Golden State guy but they try to be as objective as possible and rarely call out the refs so it seemed a little petty of him to bring it up. Funny, I’ve never heard him bring up the officiating when GS has gotten the benefit of plenty of calls in plenty of games.
The Kyrie call at the end wasn’t as controversial as some are making it out to be. He got hit going to the hoop and if there was no call, Al would’ve gotten the putback. Jaylen climbing Klay like a ladder and swatting his wrist was another story but that wasn’t in the deciding moments.
Golden State gets more bad calls / no calls in their favor than any team in the league. The NBA has allowed them to man-handle opponents, get away with techs, and rewarded Draymond for targeting opponents.
To be fair Danny Leroux wasn't actually questioning the officiating as the above quote implies, I believe he went on to say as a whole that the officiating wasn't that bad. He did have a problem with that final Kyrie call, and he said that as a whole it was a shame the game had to really shift on a call like that because its all anybody would talk about. And he's not wrong, the call was borderline (50/50, I wouldn't have called it, let them play), and people are using it to devalue the Celtics win. Overall tho he didn't have much problem with the officiating even pointing out numerus ties that the warriors can get foul prone.
I'm not a Danny Leroux fan but your take on what he said is accurate. He did mention a nice stat that both teams had almost 80% of their shots contested. I doubt GSW experiences that much especially in the regular season.
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I was a little surprised to hear Danny Leroux address the officiating on Dunc’d On the next day. He’s a Golden State guy but they try to be as objective as possible and rarely call out the refs so it seemed a little petty of him to bring it up. Funny, I’ve never heard him bring up the officiating when GS has gotten the benefit of plenty of calls in plenty of games.
The Kyrie call at the end wasn’t as controversial as some are making it out to be. He got hit going to the hoop and if there was no call, Al would’ve gotten the putback. Jaylen climbing Klay like a ladder and swatting his wrist was another story but that wasn’t in the deciding moments.
Golden State gets more bad calls / no calls in their favor than any team in the league. The NBA has allowed them to man-handle opponents, get away with techs, and rewarded Draymond for targeting opponents.
To be fair Danny Leroux wasn't actually questioning the officiating as the above quote implies, I believe he went on to say as a whole that the officiating wasn't that bad. He did have a problem with that final Kyrie call, and he said that as a whole it was a shame the game had to really shift on a call like that because its all anybody would talk about. And he's not wrong, the call was borderline (50/50, I wouldn't have called it, let them play), and people are using it to devalue the Celtics win. Overall tho he didn't have much problem with the officiating even pointing out numerus ties that the warriors can get foul prone.
They’re both always very measured with what they say. It’s a rarity that officiating is ever brought up on the podcast so it’s telling when it is and it’s no coincidence that Leroux is a GS guy. It was the first podcast I listened to the next day about the game so it was disappointing to hear that become part of the narrative when that’s not the case when GS gets favorable officiating.