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Title: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: CelticsElite on November 13, 2017, 12:41:16 AM
shooting is abysmal 38% from the floor 31% from 3. 3.5 Rebounds per game. Defensively I heard he isn’t  good right now either. Was he a product of the brad Stevens effect?

Meanwhile, his replacement Jayson Tatum is currently 17th in TS% among the 139 players who are qualified for the 3P% leaderboard. He's ahead of Klay Thompson, James Harden and Bradley Beal, just to name a few.

Addition by subtraction... And addition.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: celticsclay on November 13, 2017, 12:42:19 AM
He certainly has not been playing well. If this continues he will probably keep losing moments to sleepy uncle jeff.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Dannys Chipotle Guy on November 13, 2017, 12:56:46 AM
I keep hearing that he spent most of the offseason with his mother and is thus in pretty bad shape.

Should play better as the year goes on.

Tough for Cleveland cus they could really use someone who plays defense right now.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Androslav on November 13, 2017, 02:49:34 AM
Crowdy, as his whole team is playing poorly now. Some of that will change with more reps, IT back and his better shape. But we all knew he is slightly dropping off.
His true replacement here, Morris (Not Tatum, due to his age, defense, grit, exp) is better NBA player than Crowder (this year) IMO, while also being cheaper and accepting his current role easier.
Danny made a killer move once again. (cheaper Crowder, LOL, who knew that was possible.)
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: SparzWizard on November 13, 2017, 03:07:27 AM
Yeah that trade was a highway robbery in favor of the Celtics  8)

I'd do it over and over again...trading IT4, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, BKN 2018, and second-rounder for Kyrie Irving.

It not only helped the Cavs create a dysfunctional mess, but it also propelled the Celtics to a 12-game winning streak and developing a defense for Kyrie.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: gouki88 on November 13, 2017, 03:28:51 AM
Good.

He was good for us for quite a bit, but man over the last 6-8 months he has really rubbed me the wrong way
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: azzenfrost on November 13, 2017, 05:14:31 AM
He doesn't have a CBS to maximize his strengths and put him in a position to succeed anymore.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Roy H. on November 13, 2017, 06:14:37 AM
The difference between CBS and Lue is huge.

Part of it is also comfort level and adjusting to a new (in this case lesser) system. Look at Kyrie: 44% FG%, 32% 3PT%, career low in FTAs. Adjusting to a new system is just going to take time.

I’ll be interested to see if there’s any change in Crowder’s game once IT comes back. Cleveland is missing that second elite scorer, and he’s got some chemistry with Jae.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: GreenWarrior on November 13, 2017, 06:57:24 AM
"Crowder is terrible so far this season "

this is news?
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: kozlodoev on November 13, 2017, 07:23:33 AM
Yes. The fact remains that Crowder is not a PF. Hence this outcome.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Big333223 on November 13, 2017, 07:26:58 AM
I figured there would be a little dropoff with him in Cleveland so he wasn't on my radar in fantasy but then he was still on the board pretty late in the draft and the other options weren't great and I talked myself into the "he'll get good shots playing with Lebron" narrative and now he's just awful.

I haven't cut him yet because I'm telling myself Cleveland is going to work it's way out of this funk at some point and Crowder will be part of that but... it's tough hanging in there right now.

Yes. The fact remains that Crowder is not a PF. Hence this outcome.
The other problem is he isn't quick enough to stay with most NBA small forwards anymore either. So I'm not sure where that leaves him.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: PAOBoston on November 13, 2017, 07:51:18 AM
The difference between CBS and Lue is huge.

Part of it is also comfort level and adjusting to a new (in this case lesser) system. Look at Kyrie: 44% FG%, 32% 3PT%, career low in FTAs. Adjusting to a new system is just going to take time.

I’ll be interested to see if there’s any change in Crowder’s game once IT comes back. Cleveland is missing that second elite scorer, and he’s got some chemistry with Jae.
Maybe Cleveland should consider utilizing Kevin Love properly on offense? Not saying IT won't help them on offense but to me a lot of their issues are sort of self-inflicted by not utilizing players properly and roster construction .
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 13, 2017, 08:01:59 AM
Lebron is not a guard .  The brute needs to play the paint .
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: DooVoo on November 13, 2017, 08:12:59 AM
The difference between CBS and Lue is huge.

Part of it is also comfort level and adjusting to a new (in this case lesser) system. Look at Kyrie: 44% FG%, 32% 3PT%, career low in FTAs. Adjusting to a new system is just going to take time.

I’ll be interested to see if there’s any change in Crowder’s game once IT comes back. Cleveland is missing that second elite scorer, and he’s got some chemistry with Jae.

Crowder might not get till Jan when IT is suppose to get back. He already lost minutes to Jeff Green which tells you how bad Crowder has been this year.

Crowder's biggest problem is that he has an awful coach now. Lue strangely plays him as a big in a small ball lineup and seems to think he is a PF. All he is doing is making Crowder get over-matched cause of his lack of size.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Moranis on November 13, 2017, 08:27:52 AM
last year was a fluke for Crowder.  He isn't a 40% three point shooter.  He probably isn't a 29.5% shooter either, but he is closer to that than 40% I think.  His defense has been overrated for awhile, but regardless he can't defend the PF position for any period of time.  The reality is, Crowder is being misused in Cleveland and he was overrated on this board.  A lot on here mistook his great contract for a great player, but Crowder has and always will be a role player best suited for a bench role.  If Cleveland was healthier, that is what he would be and I think he would be performing better overall, but Cleveland isn't very healthy and they have to play him more and in roles he isn't used to.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: jambr380 on November 13, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
He certainly has not been playing well. If this continues he will probably keep losing moments to sleepy uncle jeff.

Jeff Green hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire with his fg% the past couple of years, but people forget that he was our leading scorer for the 13-14 and 14-15 (partial) seasons before getting traded, averaging between 17 and 18 PPG.

The fact that he is outplaying Crowder is a little surprising, but not monumental. Green's best role was always to play off of other stars and now he has the ultimate one in Lebron. When he's not asked to do too much, he can actually be a decent player.

Bummer for Crowder and I imagine he will improve, but happy to see Green playing well.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on November 13, 2017, 08:40:37 AM
Difficult year for Crowder, both in a professional and personal level. He wore out his welcome, but not going to kick him while he's down particularly during these circumstances.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 13, 2017, 10:00:18 AM
Crowder looks lost .

Because Cavs play Brons offense .  Not a Team oriented play driven offense like Celtics. The whole game as dictated by Bron and not the coach revloves around one player .  When Lebron goes,out ...There is NO offense....now there is zero direction , because he tells guys what to do 99% of the time.  cavs is street ball and nothing else. 

Crowder is unsure of his role .   Kinda stand around and wait for his chancemto contribute , while James ball hogs the offense , brings the ball up .....where is the coach , who,came up with his awful way to play ball .

Crowdeer came from a real team to a joke of an offense driven by an oversize brute , who should be playing PF from day one.

Crowder is a SF .   

Cavs offense is no offense ,because they have no coach or leader .

I wonder how if Ball is suppose to handle and distribute the ball , how will Lebron ...have to learn his role at a postion and be a normal player and DO as he is told .  I feel for Luke having to deal with this idiot if he is traded to Lakers.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Fafnir on November 13, 2017, 10:17:50 AM
He's shown some life recently, which they desparately need as any rotation that has a chance defensively for the Cavs will need to feature Crowder heavily.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: cman88 on November 13, 2017, 10:20:06 AM
its the brad stevens effect. He knows how to put players in roles they excel in.

fans here seemed to over-rate crowder. hes a 3 and D guy who many times took too many shots. he couldnt hit the side of a barn against the cavs last year.

I mean All I could hear when he was traded was they "gave up too much!" you can see now playing tatum and eventually hayward will be much better.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Snakehead on November 13, 2017, 10:28:13 AM
I was someone who always thought he was overrated around here in general, although he was key in that for a time we didn't have hardly any depth at the wing, so his absence was missed a lot.  But I always thought Smart and Horford were the best defenders on the team and I think that has shown.

The one thing I will say is the man can shoot.  He shot 40% from 3 last year and I'm sure he will be up there again.  I only mention it because I see people say he can't shoot all the time and it's so silly.  The problem with his offensive game is he can't do much else.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: footey on November 13, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
last year was a fluke for Crowder.  He isn't a 40% three point shooter.  He probably isn't a 29.5% shooter either, but he is closer to that than 40% I think.  His defense has been overrated for awhile, but regardless he can't defend the PF position for any period of time.  The reality is, Crowder is being misused in Cleveland and he was overrated on this board.  A lot on here mistook his great contract for a great player, but Crowder has and always will be a role player best suited for a bench role.  If Cleveland was healthier, that is what he would be and I think he would be performing better overall, but Cleveland isn't very healthy and they have to play him more and in roles he isn't used to.

TP, totally agree.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Moranis on November 13, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
I was someone who always thought he was overrated around here in general, although he was key in that for a time we didn't have hardly any depth at the wing, so his absence was missed a lot.  But I always thought Smart and Horford were the best defenders on the team and I think that has shown.

The one thing I will say is the man can shoot.  He shot 40% from 3 last year and I'm sure he will be up there again.  I only mention it because I see people say he can't shoot all the time and it's so silly.  The problem with his offensive game is he can't do much else.
that 40% was basically 7% better than any other season.  It seems more of an aberration than a norm.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Snakehead on November 13, 2017, 11:03:44 AM
I was someone who always thought he was overrated around here in general, although he was key in that for a time we didn't have hardly any depth at the wing, so his absence was missed a lot.  But I always thought Smart and Horford were the best defenders on the team and I think that has shown.

The one thing I will say is the man can shoot.  He shot 40% from 3 last year and I'm sure he will be up there again.  I only mention it because I see people say he can't shoot all the time and it's so silly.  The problem with his offensive game is he can't do much else.
that 40% was basically 7% better than any other season.  It seems more of an aberration than a norm.

I watched him get better at it over his time in Boston every season so I will give him credit for that.  Maybe it is by a bit, but the man can shoot 3's and did so very well over a long season.

Again, that's not his problem on offense, it's that he doesn't really do anything else, especially off the dribble.  I always see it brought up as his weakness but it's that's most everything he has going for him on offense.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: tstorey_97 on November 13, 2017, 02:10:58 PM
Sure you have to assume that Stevens, who had no frontcourt and limited talent in general, "had" to maximize Jae's talent...and he did. Thomas and Crowder matched each other well and became a large part of the "little engine that could" last year.

I will insist on this...I always saw Jae Crowder as a bench player. Probably a sixth man. When he came here I felt that if Crowder was the sixth best player on the team you'd have good team...not a starter. 

As far as the Cav's go, I haven't watched their games this year. I know from the past that Lebron is essentially a player coach in a role similar to what Russell was given by Red. Tyron Lue is not truly responsible for the conduct of the team on the floor, Lebron James is. This dynamic assures that Jae Crowder's talents will not be maximized in any way and losses will result in finger pointing/scapegoating/benching/position swapping and what have you as, there isn't the structure offered by a team that is run by a head coach whom is directly responsible for wins and losses.

Kyrie Irving, a top player in the league, arrives in Boston, a team that he has crushed for years and, without blinking,  promptly changes his game to suit the head coach. All players, including Crowder, play better under great leadership...ask Red Auerbach. 
   
We get high on our own guys and that is normal, but, last year's team couldn't beat any of the top 6 teams in the NBA and how could they? They were doing it on sheer effort and purpose and Crowder was all of that. 
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Fafnir on November 13, 2017, 02:24:19 PM
I see no reason Crowder shouldn't get back to mid 500s TS% overall which would still make him an above average rotation player.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Vermont Green on November 13, 2017, 02:39:02 PM
He certainly has not been playing well. If this continues he will probably keep losing moments to sleepy uncle jeff.

Jeff Green hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire with his fg% the past couple of years, but people forget that he was our leading scorer for the 13-14 and 14-15 (partial) seasons before getting traded, averaging between 17 and 18 PPG.

The fact that he is outplaying Crowder is a little surprising, but not monumental. Green's best role was always to play off of other stars and now he has the ultimate one in Lebron. When he's not asked to do too much, he can actually be a decent player.

Bummer for Crowder and I imagine he will improve, but happy to see Green playing well.

I agree with this.  I don't know what Green has done lately but if you look at their collective careers in the NBA, Green is a better player.  Crowder may be tougher and better suited for certain roles but with the exception of one season maybe, Green has been a little better in his career.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: KGs Knee on November 13, 2017, 02:41:46 PM
Not surprised, he was always overrated during his time in Boston. Clearly a system player if there ever was.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Monkhouse on November 13, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
Sure you have to assume that Stevens, who had no frontcourt and limited talent in general, "had" to maximize Jae's talent...and he did. Thomas and Crowder matched each other well and became a large part of the "little engine that could" last year.

I will insist on this...I always saw Jae Crowder as a bench player. Probably a sixth man. When he came here I felt that if Crowder was the sixth best player on the team you'd have good team...not a starter. 

As far as the Cav's go, I haven't watched their games this year. I know from the past that Lebron is essentially a player coach in a role similar to what Russell was given by Red. Tyron Lue is not truly responsible for the conduct of the team on the floor, Lebron James is. This dynamic assures that Jae Crowder's talents will not be maximized in any way and losses will result in finger pointing/scapegoating/benching/position swapping and what have you as, there isn't the structure offered by a team that is run by a head coach whom is directly responsible for wins and losses.

Kyrie Irving, a top player in the league, arrives in Boston, a team that he has crushed for years and, without blinking,  promptly changes his game to suit the head coach. All players, including Crowder, play better under great leadership...ask Red Auerbach. 
   
We get high on our own guys and that is normal, but, last year's team couldn't beat any of the top 6 teams in the NBA and how could they? They were doing it on sheer effort and purpose and Crowder was all of that.

Which is why the hate for Crowder on this board is ridiculous and unwarranted...

Crowder may have been a tough nosed diva at times, but he certainly gave his all during his time here at least... He definitely made an impact on our youngsters like Rozier or Smart.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: CelticsElite on November 13, 2017, 02:58:34 PM
Sure you have to assume that Stevens, who had no frontcourt and limited talent in general, "had" to maximize Jae's talent...and he did. Thomas and Crowder matched each other well and became a large part of the "little engine that could" last year.

I will insist on this...I always saw Jae Crowder as a bench player. Probably a sixth man. When he came here I felt that if Crowder was the sixth best player on the team you'd have good team...not a starter. 

As far as the Cav's go, I haven't watched their games this year. I know from the past that Lebron is essentially a player coach in a role similar to what Russell was given by Red. Tyron Lue is not truly responsible for the conduct of the team on the floor, Lebron James is. This dynamic assures that Jae Crowder's talents will not be maximized in any way and losses will result in finger pointing/scapegoating/benching/position swapping and what have you as, there isn't the structure offered by a team that is run by a head coach whom is directly responsible for wins and losses.

Kyrie Irving, a top player in the league, arrives in Boston, a team that he has crushed for years and, without blinking,  promptly changes his game to suit the head coach. All players, including Crowder, play better under great leadership...ask Red Auerbach. 
   
We get high on our own guys and that is normal, but, last year's team couldn't beat any of the top 6 teams in the NBA and how could they? They were doing it on sheer effort and purpose and Crowder was all of that.

Which is why the hate for Crowder on this board is ridiculous and unwarranted...

Crowder may have been a tough nosed diva at times, but he certainly gave his all during his time here at least... He definitely made an impact on our youngsters like Rozier or Smart.
how is it hating to post that crowders offensive and defensive impact this season is significantly worse
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: mef730 on November 13, 2017, 02:59:36 PM
Yeah that trade was a highway robbery in favor of the Celtics  8)

I'd do it over and over again...trading IT4, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, BKN 2018, and second-rounder for Kyrie Irving.

It not only helped the Cavs create a dysfunctional mess, but it also propelled the Celtics to a 12-game winning streak and developing a defense for Kyrie.

I think the ultimate irony would be if IT, Crowder, Zizic and the pick all turned out to be busts but the 2nd rounder last-minute throw-in turned into the next Manu Ginobili.

Mike
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 13, 2017, 03:05:31 PM
Is Lebron going to let IT initiate set  offense ...like he should ....or will everybody thats used to playing team ball .....stand around waiting to see what Lebron is going to do with the ball first......make it up as you go basketball. 

Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: TheBigTicket23 on November 13, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
All analists keep saying Crowder is an elite defender. Well last year he was a not good. In 2015-2016 he was certainly above average and solid defender. Last year he def lost a step... he is not picking it up this year.

In his last Celtic year I was definitely more frustrated than happy with his defensive effort.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: mmmmm on November 13, 2017, 05:47:14 PM
Small sample size.

If just 4 more of Jae's 44 three point attempts had stayed in the net he'd be shooting 38.6% and none of this discussion happens.

Ironically, this thread came out just as Jae finally had a decent game, posting 15 points, 7 rebounds & 3 assists against his old team (DAL).   Also ironically, he did so not by hitting threes (he still shot a poor 1 of 6 from the arc), but rather by going to the hoop and getting to the FT line (6 for 6).

I think I'll wait until we get a little deeper into the season before I crow too loudly about Jae's supposed decline.  A dozen games to start the season is usually a bit too early for epitaphs.   'Not claiming he'll not still end up with a terrible year.   'Just think it's way too early.


Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Monkhouse on November 13, 2017, 06:03:20 PM
Sure you have to assume that Stevens, who had no frontcourt and limited talent in general, "had" to maximize Jae's talent...and he did. Thomas and Crowder matched each other well and became a large part of the "little engine that could" last year.

I will insist on this...I always saw Jae Crowder as a bench player. Probably a sixth man. When he came here I felt that if Crowder was the sixth best player on the team you'd have good team...not a starter. 

As far as the Cav's go, I haven't watched their games this year. I know from the past that Lebron is essentially a player coach in a role similar to what Russell was given by Red. Tyron Lue is not truly responsible for the conduct of the team on the floor, Lebron James is. This dynamic assures that Jae Crowder's talents will not be maximized in any way and losses will result in finger pointing/scapegoating/benching/position swapping and what have you as, there isn't the structure offered by a team that is run by a head coach whom is directly responsible for wins and losses.

Kyrie Irving, a top player in the league, arrives in Boston, a team that he has crushed for years and, without blinking,  promptly changes his game to suit the head coach. All players, including Crowder, play better under great leadership...ask Red Auerbach. 
   
We get high on our own guys and that is normal, but, last year's team couldn't beat any of the top 6 teams in the NBA and how could they? They were doing it on sheer effort and purpose and Crowder was all of that.

Which is why the hate for Crowder on this board is ridiculous and unwarranted...

Crowder may have been a tough nosed diva at times, but he certainly gave his all during his time here at least... He definitely made an impact on our youngsters like Rozier or Smart.
how is it hating to post that crowders offensive and defensive impact this season is significantly worse

It's hating when the SAME usual SUSPECTS post time and time again the same freakin' thread, talking smack about Smart, Crowder, etc....

We get it. You don't like those players.

But consistently creating pessimistic threads, bringing up ex-Celts who have nothing but good things to say about us when they left.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Phantom255x on November 13, 2017, 06:19:00 PM
No offense to Crowder and Isaiah (I do miss them and thank them for what they did), but I hope they underwhelm in order for us to "win this trade". Also hope to dear god that BKN Pick lands outside Top-5 (and closer to 10-14 range).
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Larry for 3 on November 13, 2017, 07:04:26 PM
Sure you have to assume that Stevens, who had no frontcourt and limited talent in general, "had" to maximize Jae's talent...and he did. Thomas and Crowder matched each other well and became a large part of the "little engine that could" last year.

I will insist on this...I always saw Jae Crowder as a bench player. Probably a sixth man. When he came here I felt that if Crowder was the sixth best player on the team you'd have good team...not a starter. 

As far as the Cav's go, I haven't watched their games this year. I know from the past that Lebron is essentially a player coach in a role similar to what Russell was given by Red. Tyron Lue is not truly responsible for the conduct of the team on the floor, Lebron James is. This dynamic assures that Jae Crowder's talents will not be maximized in any way and losses will result in finger pointing/scapegoating/benching/position swapping and what have you as, there isn't the structure offered by a team that is run by a head coach whom is directly responsible for wins and losses.

Kyrie Irving, a top player in the league, arrives in Boston, a team that he has crushed for years and, without blinking,  promptly changes his game to suit the head coach. All players, including Crowder, play better under great leadership...ask Red Auerbach. 
   
We get high on our own guys and that is normal, but, last year's team couldn't beat any of the top 6 teams in the NBA and how could they? They were doing it on sheer effort and purpose and Crowder was all of that.

Which is why the hate for Crowder on this board is ridiculous and unwarranted...

Crowder may have been a tough nosed diva at times, but he certainly gave his all during his time here at least... He definitely made an impact on our youngsters like Rozier or Smart.
how is it hating to post that crowders offensive and defensive impact this season is significantly worse

It's hating when the SAME usual SUSPECTS post time and time again the same freakin' thread, talking smack about Smart, Crowder, etc....

We get it. You don't like those players.

But consistently creating pessimistic threads, bringing up ex-Celts who have nothing but good things to say about us when they left.

You think Crowder still wanted to be here? I think not, espically after the crowd cheered  Hayward last year. He wanted out, he got his wish
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: iadera on November 14, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
Some people still don't understand who Brad Stevens is.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 14, 2017, 10:55:01 AM
No offense to Crowder and Isaiah (I do miss them and thank them for what they did), but I hope they underwhelm in order for us to "win this trade". Also hope to dear god that BKN Pick lands outside Top-5 (and closer to 10-14 range).
Why not hope simply for Kyrie to excel instead?
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Beat LA on November 16, 2017, 03:40:13 AM
Give the guy a break.  He only gave birth a little over two months ago.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Androslav on November 16, 2017, 03:53:28 AM
Give the guy a break.  He only gave birth a little over two months ago.
TP. LOL
I guess that is the true reason for his current conditioning.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Vermont Green on November 21, 2017, 05:04:19 PM
Crowder is playing better in Cleveland's string of 5 straight wins.  I think he will be a productive player for them overall.  Detroit is the only good team they faced in the last 5 but I think Cleveland is figuring it out, and that is with Jose Calderon as their starting PG for the last couple of games (Rose hurt again).

I am actually looking forward to seeing how they play with IT.  It is tough to root for IT without rooting for Cleveland but that is how I feel.
Title: Re: Crowder is terrible so far this season
Post by: Surferdad on November 21, 2017, 06:49:15 PM
Crowder is playing better in Cleveland's string of 5 straight wins.  I think he will be a productive player for them overall.  Detroit is the only good team they faced in the last 5 but I think Cleveland is figuring it out, and that is with Jose Calderon as their starting PG for the last couple of games (Rose hurt again).

I am actually looking forward to seeing how they play with IT.  It is tough to root for IT without rooting for Cleveland but that is how I feel.
Good luck with that.  I do not plan to root for IT, not that I don't like him but he's the enemy now.  In any case, I expect the IT-Cavs experiment to be a dismal failure.  IT's defensive deficiencies will be highly exposed in Cleveland.  In Boston there were other players to cover for him.  It will be the same old IT.