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Title: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 10, 2017, 11:03:35 PM
Obviously through 13 games, LOTS TO LOVE, and after a game like tonight, how can't you be excited about our future, and even potential for this season especially if Cleveland looks a bit "weaker" even after Isaiah returns.  8)

I'm telling you, if this team can use the DPE (OR Cut Nader and have DPE, AND Vet Minimum for 2 OPEN roster spots) on another depth big and/or another scoring option off the bench, it would really benefit this team immensely.

As we're seeing, when one of Horford/Baynes goes down to injury for some time, the team's depth is thin and it really shows at times, and there are also occasions where when the bench comes in, the scoring just completely dries up and no offense is generated (though fortunately tonight, that wasn't the case).

Ainge obviously won't be in a rush and I'm not saying the C's have to make a move ASAP, but I really LOVE the idea of possibly adding a guy like Greg Monroe, or someone with tremendous low risk, high reward potential in 21 y/o Jahlil Okafor, and both these guys are also depth bigs who can also score.

Surely, more names may pop up as the season progresses (through trade rumors and buy-outs), but outside of hoping we can stay healthy, making a trade OR signing (using DPE and/or vet. min) for another good depth big and/or scoring option off the bench could make a BIG difference in the playoffs IMHO (esp. in a series against Cleveland, as the armor on Cleveland is starting to crack a little it seems, meaning there's a slightly better chance we can beat them this time).

And yes, maybe these guys are purely rentals, but for vet. min or if it costs like a mere 2nd round pick in a trade.. if this team keeps playing like they have been and showing they have a legit chance to go far.. I don't think Ainge would hesitate.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 10, 2017, 11:26:59 PM
you are correct. whoever we grab needs to be able to score..CBS can teach them defense. we need a scorer.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: MichaelJ on November 10, 2017, 11:48:33 PM
Vucevic
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 11, 2017, 12:01:43 AM
I get your point, but how many teams would love to be able to play Brown, or Rozier, or Smart, or Tatum, or Yabusele, or Ojeyle?

A veteran could be a slight upgrade, but I definitely don't think its a need, and a couple regular season wins this year probably aren't worth the long-term growth from these young guys as they get their reps in a winning system.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 11:02:29 AM
Vucevic

Magic are doing really well and Vucevic is having a great season (will cost a lot more in trade).
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 11, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
I want to see what we can do with Monta Ellis.

Now I know, he's a troubled basketball player as far as shot selection, efficiency and defense, but we've seen how Brad can turn an average, no defense scorer (Jordan Crawford) into a reliable off the bench player. He does have the talent of a solid NBA scorer, and could probably be had for the minimum.

I mean, we saw it with Shane Larkin last night that players can be reliable under Brad, and he was out of the league last year, maybe Brad can do something with Ellis...
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
I want to see what we can do with Monta Ellis.

Now I know, he's a troubled basketball player as far as shot selection, efficiency and defense, but we've seen how Brad can turn an average, no defense scorer (Jordan Crawford) into a reliable off the bench player. He does have the talent of a solid NBA scorer, and could probably be had for the minimum.

I mean, we saw it with Shane Larkin last night that players can be reliable under Brad, and he was out of the league last year, maybe Brad can do something with Ellis...

That's a possibility.

What has Monta Ellis been up to lately? Or is he just sitting around waiting for an opportunity?
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Smitty77 on November 11, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
Belinelli.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: vjcsmoke on November 11, 2017, 01:20:22 PM
We need more depth period.  As long as it is a quality player.  As we have seen, injuries can strike at any time.  Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Irving, etc.  All have missed some time.  Nobody's safe from the injury bug.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 11, 2017, 02:26:02 PM
We need more depth period.  As long as it is a quality player.  As we have seen, injuries can strike at any time.  Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Irving, etc.  All have missed some time.  Nobody's safe from the injury bug.
i did not realize that severely sprained ankles, concussions, and the ilk were contagious.  ::)
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 03:52:46 PM
I really like the idea of adding Greg Monroe if it ONLY requires DPE/Vet Min.

How about you guys?

And if we want to have another roster spot for another bought out player or someone like Okafor, then cut Nader.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: nickagneta on November 11, 2017, 04:20:15 PM
Monroe and Okafor are horrible fits for this team. Down low offensive players without an ability to switch onto anyone or closeout three point shooters. This team just doesn't play a system that would make these players effective.

I would rather go after a player like Belinelli or Ilyasova.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Smitty77 on November 11, 2017, 05:44:07 PM
Could someone humor me and give your opinion on using the DPE on Belinelli please?

Thanks,

Smitty77
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 05:59:38 PM
Could someone humor me and give your opinion on using the DPE on Belinelli please?

Thanks,

Smitty77

He's okay but out of all the options and potential options he's not high on my list tbh.

Now if they cut Nader and we had two open spots (and two exceptions), I guess I wouldn't mind using one of them on Belinelli.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Monkhouse on November 11, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
I think Gerald Green would be an excellent choice, still.

Plenty of Celtic ties, great locker room presence, and he's able to express his story to the youngsters. You can never have too many vets, especially if they fit our Horford/Hayward timeline, and taken into consideration, we're like the 5th youngest team.
I want to see what we can do with Monta Ellis.

Now I know, he's a troubled basketball player as far as shot selection, efficiency and defense, but we've seen how Brad can turn an average, no defense scorer (Jordan Crawford) into a reliable off the bench player. He does have the talent of a solid NBA scorer, and could probably be had for the minimum.

I mean, we saw it with Shane Larkin last night that players can be reliable under Brad, and he was out of the league last year, maybe Brad can do something with Ellis...

I like Ellis, but I fear his defensive inconsistency will become contagious. He certainly tries, but he gets absolutely smothered to death on picks. He can't shoot the 3 well either. Larkin pretty much brings what he does to the table for a cheaper and team friendlier contract.

Monroe and Okafor are horrible fits for this team. Down low offensive players without an ability to switch onto anyone or closeout three point shooters. This team just doesn't play a system that would make these players effective.

I would rather go after a player like Belinelli or Ilyasova.

I think Ilyasova would also be a great choice. Belinelli I'll pass on, but I do think Okafor could still do well on this team, same goes for Monroe. Monroe has skillful passing, and can command double teams, along with Okafor, who used to see that a lot in his rookie days.

Their defense, and inability to space like you said, seems to be why Stevens/Ainge aren't that high on them.

Do you think the Hawks are gonna buy him out, or do you think we'll cough up an 2nd rounder?
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 06:21:33 PM
I think Gerald Green would be an excellent choice, still.

Plenty of Celtic ties, great locker room presence, and he's able to express his story to the youngsters. You can never have too many vets, especially if they fit our Horford/Hayward timeline, and taken into consideration, we're like the 5th youngest team.
I want to see what we can do with Monta Ellis.

Now I know, he's a troubled basketball player as far as shot selection, efficiency and defense, but we've seen how Brad can turn an average, no defense scorer (Jordan Crawford) into a reliable off the bench player. He does have the talent of a solid NBA scorer, and could probably be had for the minimum.

I mean, we saw it with Shane Larkin last night that players can be reliable under Brad, and he was out of the league last year, maybe Brad can do something with Ellis...

I like Ellis, but I fear his defensive inconsistency will become contagious. He certainly tries, but he gets absolutely smothered to death on picks. He can't shoot the 3 well either. Larkin pretty much brings what he does to the table for a cheaper and team friendlier contract.

Monroe and Okafor are horrible fits for this team. Down low offensive players without an ability to switch onto anyone or closeout three point shooters. This team just doesn't play a system that would make these players effective.

I would rather go after a player like Belinelli or Ilyasova.

I think Ilyasova would also be a great choice. Belinelli I'll pass on, but I do think Okafor could still do well on this team, same goes for Monroe. Monroe has skillful passing, and can command double teams, along with Okafor, who used to see that a lot in his rookie days.

Their defense, and inability to space like you said, seems to be why Stevens/Ainge aren't that high on them.

Do you think the Hawks are gonna buy him out, or do you think we'll cough up an 2nd rounder?

Wow can't believe I completely forgot about Gerald Green! TP for that.

I definitely wouldn't mind having him back, and he definitely adds a scoring punch out of the bench (which was big for us vs. Chicago in last year's playoffs, and even some games vs. Cleveland).  ;D

Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: DooVoo on November 11, 2017, 07:50:41 PM
We need more depth period.  As long as it is a quality player.  As we have seen, injuries can strike at any time.  Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Irving, etc.  All have missed some time.  Nobody's safe from the injury bug.

You can't have a roster of 15 great players. If a starting key player gets injured you can't do much. Take Curry and Clay away from the Warriors and what happens?
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: SparzWizard on November 11, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
We need more depth period.  As long as it is a quality player.  As we have seen, injuries can strike at any time.  Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Irving, etc.  All have missed some time.  Nobody's safe from the injury bug.

You can't have a roster of 15 great players. If a starting key player gets injured you can't do much. Take Curry and Clay away from the Warriors and what happens?

Still got prime Kevin Durant and Draymond Green to lead the bunch. Still able to win games but not overly achieving.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: mr. dee on November 12, 2017, 02:52:12 AM
Did the knicks exercised their team option for McDermott? We could really use his versatility off the bench.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: iadera on November 12, 2017, 03:15:35 AM
I want to see what we can do with Monta Ellis.

Now I know, he's a troubled basketball player as far as shot selection, efficiency and defense, but we've seen how Brad can turn an average, no defense scorer (Jordan Crawford) into a reliable off the bench player. He does have the talent of a solid NBA scorer, and could probably be had for the minimum.

I mean, we saw it with Shane Larkin last night that players can be reliable under Brad, and he was out of the league last year, maybe Brad can do something with Ellis...

Ellis is far from being on my wishlist, but if I think twice, Brad is kind of wizard, so... ::)
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 12, 2017, 07:15:38 AM
Did the knicks exercised their team option for McDermott? We could really use his versatility off the bench.

Not all tweeners are versatile, but all versatile players are tweeners.

I don't think McDermott is versatile at all. He cannot defend one position, and he continues to struggle to score.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: chilidawg on November 12, 2017, 08:09:30 AM
Did the knicks exercised their team option for McDermott? We could really use his versatility off the bench.

Not all tweeners are versatile, but all versatile players are tweeners.

I don't think McDermott is versatile at all. He cannot defend one position, and he continues to struggle to score.

I haven't seen them play much, but McDermott's advanced defensive stats don't look good and he's not the kind of athlete who is likely to become a good defender.  But to say he's struggling to score is just wrong.  68% true shooting is outstanding for a primarily perimeter scorer.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: konkmv on November 12, 2017, 08:36:57 AM
I think we need a tall guy like okafor or Monroe who can score and are bigs
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Celts Fan 508 on November 12, 2017, 09:20:16 AM
Could someone humor me and give your opinion on using the DPE on Belinelli please?

Thanks,

Smitty77

He's okay but out of all the options and potential options he's not high on my list tbh.

Now if they cut Nader and we had two open spots (and two exceptions), I guess I wouldn't mind using one of them on Belinelli.

Belinelli would be a great addition, he can catch and shoot, handle the ball, and plays enough defense to not hurt you.  He would allow the Celtics to get more rest for their players so they’re better rested for the playoffs as he could handle the scoring in a bench role.  He would actually be my top choice amongst the rumored names.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Smitty77 on November 12, 2017, 10:09:05 AM
Could someone humor me and give your opinion on using the DPE on Belinelli please?

Thanks,

Smitty77

He's okay but out of all the options and potential options he's not high on my list tbh.

Now if they cut Nader and we had two open spots (and two exceptions), I guess I wouldn't mind using one of them on Belinelli.

Belinelli would be a great addition, he can catch and shoot, handle the ball, and plays enough defense to not hurt you.  He would allow the Celtics to get more rest for their players so they’re better rested for the playoffs as he could handle the scoring in a bench role.  He would actually be my top choice amongst the rumored names.

Thanks 508!!  I think that Belineeli's less than stellar defense could be fairly well hidden with the defensive studs that we could surround him with and with the stellar teaching of Brad. 

Smitty77
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Smitty77 on November 12, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a big that could give us 7 points, 6 boards, and over 1 block in less than 17 minutes per game AND shoot over 56% and a solid 82% from the line?  I forgot to mention he currently has a 21.2 PER.

His is the same Kyle O'Quinn I have been clamoring for all year!!! 

If he would deny his player option of just under 4.3 million for next year, we could use the DPE on him.  We could also trade Yabusele and Nader for O'Quinn and use the DPE on Belinelli:-)

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6965639

Thoughts?

Smitty77
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Chef Parish on November 12, 2017, 10:48:23 AM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a big that could give us 7 points, 6 boards, and over 1 block in less than 17 minutes per game AND shoot over 56% and a solid 82% from the line?  I forgot to mention he currently has a 21.2 PER.

His is the same Kyle O'Quinn I have been clamoring for all year!!! 

If he would deny his player option of just under 4.3 million for next year, we could use the DPE on him.  We could also trade Yabusele and Nader for O'Quinn and use the DPE on Belinelli:-)

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6965639

Thoughts?

Smitty77

Totally agree. Plus Brad attended O'Quinn's bar mitzvah when he was an assistant coach for the Butler Bulldogs back in 2003.  So there's a connection there.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 12, 2017, 10:50:01 AM
Quote
but all versatile players are tweeners.

That is an absolute falsehood.   McHale was pretty versatile and no one would ever call him a tweener.   I doubt people call LeBron a tweener either.  I can think of plenty of versatile players that have size to play multiple positions.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: chilidawg on November 12, 2017, 10:51:57 AM
Tweener is a guy who's not good at any position.  Versatile guys are good at multiple positions.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: chilidawg on November 12, 2017, 10:53:13 AM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a big that could give us 7 points, 6 boards, and over 1 block in less than 17 minutes per game AND shoot over 56% and a solid 82% from the line?  I forgot to mention he currently has a 21.2 PER.

His is the same Kyle O'Quinn I have been clamoring for all year!!! 

If he would deny his player option of just under 4.3 million for next year, we could use the DPE on him.  We could also trade Yabusele and Nader for O'Quinn and use the DPE on Belinelli:-)

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6965639

Thoughts?

Smitty77

Would you give him Baynes minutes?  or Theis?  Because that's his role.

And why would the Knicks trade him for Yabusele and Nader?
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 12, 2017, 12:23:34 PM
I think we need a tall guy like okafor or Monroe who can score and are bigs

Yeah I'm high on getting any of these two (or both!)

All in on the "Brad Stevens effect"  ;D
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Smitty77 on November 12, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a big that could give us 7 points, 6 boards, and over 1 block in less than 17 minutes per game AND shoot over 56% and a solid 82% from the line?  I forgot to mention he currently has a 21.2 PER.

His is the same Kyle O'Quinn I have been clamoring for all year!!! 

If he would deny his player option of just under 4.3 million for next year, we could use the DPE on him.  We could also trade Yabusele and Nader for O'Quinn and use the DPE on Belinelli:-)

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6965639

Thoughts?

Smitty77

Would you give him Baynes minutes?  or Theis?  Because that's his role.

And why would the Knicks trade him for Yabusele and Nader?

Mostly for the UPSIDE of both and the REAL fear of what he will get as a free agent once he SURELY denies his player option!!

He is an improvement over Theis, although I love Theis!!  I think that we need to spread our minutes so that we fresh when it matters.

Smitty77
Smitty77
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 12, 2017, 03:26:45 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a big that could give us 7 points, 6 boards, and over 1 block in less than 17 minutes per game AND shoot over 56% and a solid 82% from the line?  I forgot to mention he currently has a 21.2 PER.

His is the same Kyle O'Quinn I have been clamoring for all year!!! 

If he would deny his player option of just under 4.3 million for next year, we could use the DPE on him.  We could also trade Yabusele and Nader for O'Quinn and use the DPE on Belinelli:-)

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6965639

Thoughts?

Smitty77

Would you give him Baynes minutes?  or Theis?  Because that's his role.

And why would the Knicks trade him for Yabusele and Nader?

Mostly for the UPSIDE of both and the REAL fear of what he will get as a free agent once he SURELY denies his player option!!

He is an improvement over Theis, although I love Theis!!  I think that we need to spread our minutes so that we fresh when it matters.

Smitty77
Smitty77

I wouldn't mind O'Quinn, but not sure Ainge is willing to trade Nader, Yabusele AND 2nd rounder for him. Plus idk.. Knicks actually look decent this year (good enough to make a playoff spot maybe and sneak in?)
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 16, 2017, 09:02:11 PM
They DEFINITELY need some added scoring punch off the bench.

Smart just isn't cutting it, as much as I love him.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 17, 2017, 07:54:49 PM
Greg Monroe in season debut had 20 points, 11 rebounds in 26 minutes (10/14 shooting).

One of the lone bright spots in the Suns brutal loss last night, and even he didn't like the Suns effort in yesterday's game.

C's could really use a guy like Monroe off the bench for some scoring (and depth big presence).
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 17, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
Greg Monroe in season debut had 20 points, 11 rebounds in 26 minutes (10/14 shooting).

One of the lone bright spots in the Suns brutal loss last night, and even he didn't like the Suns effort in yesterday's game.

C's could really use a guy like Monroe off the bench for some scoring (and depth big presence).

Was he part of the reason why the Rockets put up 90 in the first half?
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Rondo9 on November 17, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
Greg Monroe in season debut had 20 points, 11 rebounds in 26 minutes (10/14 shooting).

One of the lone bright spots in the Suns brutal loss last night, and even he didn't like the Suns effort in yesterday's game.

C's could really use a guy like Monroe off the bench for some scoring (and depth big presence).



Was he part of the reason why the Rockets put up 90 in the first half?

Yes.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 17, 2017, 08:07:57 PM
Greg Monroe in season debut had 20 points, 11 rebounds in 26 minutes (10/14 shooting).

One of the lone bright spots in the Suns brutal loss last night, and even he didn't like the Suns effort in yesterday's game.

C's could really use a guy like Monroe off the bench for some scoring (and depth big presence).



Was he part of the reason why the Rockets put up 90 in the first half?

Yes.

Did ANYONE on the Suns put any effort out there?

Hard to do with that coaching and with how bad the team is to begin with.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: DooVoo on November 18, 2017, 03:42:43 AM
Greg Monroe in season debut had 20 points, 11 rebounds in 26 minutes (10/14 shooting).

One of the lone bright spots in the Suns brutal loss last night, and even he didn't like the Suns effort in yesterday's game.

C's could really use a guy like Monroe off the bench for some scoring (and depth big presence).

And in his next game had 6 points, 1 reb, and looked slow as molasses. He plays no defense and doesn't fit in an up tempo offence. Ainge will look elsewhere for depth.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 22, 2017, 09:04:48 PM
This still holds true.

BENCH SCORING, Ainge. That's a HUGE need going forward.

Can't stand watching every game where the bench throws up bricks and the other team either rallies back from a double digit deficit, OR builds their lead towards double-digits...  ::)
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: CelticsElite on November 22, 2017, 09:35:13 PM
If we can go on a nice run, its not too late
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: CelticsElite on November 22, 2017, 09:36:47 PM
Hand check?  That was all ball
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: CelticSooner on November 22, 2017, 10:07:54 PM
This still holds true.

BENCH SCORING, Ainge. That's a HUGE need going forward.

Can't stand watching every game where the bench throws up bricks and the other team either rallies back from a double digit deficit, OR builds their lead towards double-digits...  ::)

Playing them with the hope they will just snap out of it feels like an impossibility. Ainge may have to make some sort of trade.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: JBcat on November 22, 2017, 10:58:21 PM
Tyreke Evans having a strong year for the Grizzlies on a 1 year deal.  I bet he wouldn’t cost much in a trade.  Then get the best buyout big like Monroe or someone else.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 23, 2017, 12:03:15 AM
Expectations probably ramped up too quickly here.  We just overachieved (again) to win 16 straight with massive roster turnover and two man-children in the starting 5. 

It's tough to argue that the bench sucks when Smart has made such major contributions in pivotal games (including the last one).  And Rozier isn't horrible... he's just playing to his draft status imo.   They're bench players... few teams rely on these guys to win games.

The concept of needing more offense is more confusing.  Tough to argue this when we have an injured all-star on the bench with awesome offensive talent, and traded the farm for an 'offensive superstar'. 
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: GreenWarrior on November 23, 2017, 09:11:15 AM
this team's one injury to a big away from being a bad front-court. we need depth there.

we've had the biggest win streak in the league with horrible bench scoring. it's not as bad as it could be.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: __ramonezy__ on November 23, 2017, 09:31:58 AM
Munroe is my first option, Okafor is my second.

I think our need is a bit more specific than just Big that can score... we need a big that can score while posting up. We need an alternative way to get points when the shots aren't falling and slow down the game.

This is Munroe's strength, but unless he's bought out by the Suns we won't be able to afford him.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 23, 2017, 11:17:07 AM
I think Chicago stinks and may be tanking I would love to get  Portis.   You could not get both, I would even consider offering Yabusele and  a choice of the following  (only one)

2018 our pick not lakers.

or

2019Memphis Grizzlies (If pick falls outside top-8)

or

Los Angeles Clippers (If pick falls outside top-14)

Chicago gets rid of their headache, we get a scorer big.   I doubt it would be enough to get him.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Larry for 3 on November 23, 2017, 11:34:50 AM
We need a shooter not a big guy. belinelli is perfect. Last year of deal and can shoot plus it wouldn’t take much to get him. Win win all around
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: sdceltsfan on November 23, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
Monroe has a lot more left in the tank than I anticipated. Definitely agree with the post above.....Monroe should be option #1 with our disabled player exception, and Okafor should be #2. Wouldn't mind Portis, but I think he has a more established ceiling as a player, where as Coach Stevens can tap in to Monroes or Okafors skillset as true, low post big men, and create a huge mismatch against many other teams come playoff time.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Larry for 3 on November 23, 2017, 11:40:08 AM
We need a shooter not a big guy. belinelli is perfect. Last year of deal and can shoot plus it wouldn’t take much to get him. Win win all around

And also there’s not enough big guy minutes go to round now , Monroe doesn’t match up with anybody, can’t play him another big together, small lineups would kill that.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: nickagneta on November 23, 2017, 11:43:35 AM
This is probably just a one year thing. Next year Hayward comes back. You'll have Morris and hopefully Baynes both coming off the bench, and I am sure Danny will find a way to get a another bench scorer.

I pray to the basketball gods the Lakers hit the lottery a 2 again and we get to draft Doncic to be our sixth man.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 23, 2017, 03:07:28 PM
This is probably just a one year thing. Next year Hayward comes back. You'll have Morris and hopefully Baynes both coming off the bench, and I am sure Danny will find a way to get a another bench scorer.

I pray to the basketball gods the Lakers hit the lottery a 2 again and we get to draft Doncic to be our sixth man.

ok so next year looks like and correct me if i am wrong please........

KI
JB
GH
JT
AH

bench:

smart
morris
baynes
theis
NEW BENCH SCORER
semi
and fill ins after

I am assuming rozier will be traded.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: gouki88 on November 23, 2017, 09:18:01 PM
This is probably just a one year thing. Next year Hayward comes back. You'll have Morris and hopefully Baynes both coming off the bench, and I am sure Danny will find a way to get a another bench scorer.

I pray to the basketball gods the Lakers hit the lottery a 2 again and we get to draft Doncic to be our sixth man.

ok so next year looks like and correct me if i am wrong please........

KI
JB
GH
JT
AH

bench:

smart
morris
baynes
theis
NEW BENCH SCORER
semi
and fill ins after

I am assuming rozier will be traded.
Don't forget whoever we draft. Praying we can snag Ayton or Doncic. Ayton could be anything
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on November 23, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
I think Chicago stinks and may be tanking I would love to get  Portis.   You could not get both, I would even consider offering Yabusele and  a choice of the following  (only one)

2018 our pick not lakers.

or

2019Memphis Grizzlies (If pick falls outside top-8)

or

Los Angeles Clippers (If pick falls outside top-14)

Chicago gets rid of their headache, we get a scorer big.   I doubt it would be enough to get him.

I will be mad if DA trades this for a 1-2 year rental. The Grizz are on a slow path towards being awful. By the time that pick becomes unprotected, Gasol will be 35/36 (already slowing down at 32) and conley will be 33/34 (point guards don't age well). That's if they stay around. They'll keep drafting mid 1st round and can't add real pieces to the declining vets they have left.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 23, 2017, 10:45:22 PM
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I will be mad if DA trades this for a 1-2 year rental

Somehow I think life goes on.   I just think we are a paper tiger if we don't get more bench scoring. 

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This is probably just a one year thing. Next year Hayward comes back. You'll have Morris and hopefully Baynes both coming off the bench, and I am sure Danny will find a way to get a another bench scorer.

I pray to the basketball gods the Lakers hit the lottery a 2 again and we get to draft Doncic to be our sixth man.

Agree, its temporary but we also are not taking all those picks in the future as I see it.  Our lack of production of our bench is an issue for us and no one is stepping up.

I am hoping the pick pans as well.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: cman88 on November 24, 2017, 11:11:07 AM
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I will be mad if DA trades this for a 1-2 year rental

Somehow I think life goes on.   I just think we are a paper tiger if we don't get more bench scoring. 

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This is probably just a one year thing. Next year Hayward comes back. You'll have Morris and hopefully Baynes both coming off the bench, and I am sure Danny will find a way to get a another bench scorer.

I pray to the basketball gods the Lakers hit the lottery a 2 again and we get to draft Doncic to be our sixth man.

Agree, its temporary but we also are not taking all those picks in the future as I see it.  Our lack of production of our bench is an issue for us and no one is stepping up.

I am hoping the pick pans as well.

I wouldnt mind giving gerald green another shot. he can at least put the ball in the basket unlike Rozier/smart.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 24, 2017, 12:23:54 PM
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I wouldnt mind giving gerald green another shot. he can at least put the ball in the basket unlike Rozier/smart.

My son and me, wondered why we did not.   He would help us a lot more than say Nader.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: footey on November 24, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
We need a shooter not a big guy. belinelli is perfect. Last year of deal and can shoot plus it wouldn’t take much to get him. Win win all around

I agree and started a thread making this point a couple days ago. We need a shooter. Hired gun type.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: nickagneta on November 24, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
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I wouldnt mind giving gerald green another shot. he can at least put the ball in the basket unlike Rozier/smart.

My son and me, wondered why we did not.   He would help us a lot more than say Nader.
And they wouldn't even need to get rid of Nader. There's an open roster spot.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: RodyTur10 on November 24, 2017, 02:40:49 PM
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I wouldnt mind giving gerald green another shot. he can at least put the ball in the basket unlike Rozier/smart.

My son and me, wondered why we did not.   He would help us a lot more than say Nader.

Me too. Lets start a petition for a Gerald Green comeback!
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on November 24, 2017, 07:34:37 PM
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I wouldnt mind giving gerald green another shot. he can at least put the ball in the basket unlike Rozier/smart.

My son and me, wondered why we did not.   He would help us a lot more than say Nader.
And they wouldn't even need to get rid of Nader. There's an open roster spot.

I wouldn't mind cutting Nader, and then adding Green via Vet. Min, AND either Monroe/Okafor, or another bought-out BIG for some quality depth (even if off the bench).
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: PAOBoston on November 26, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
If Memphis continues to struggle, Tyreke Evans might be an interesting option.

Ainge has long had some sort of infatuation with the player and he is having a great season for Memphis off the bench. Playing on a 1 year 3.3 million contract. He has experience as a ball handler and can create his own offense/score/shoot the 3.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: TheBigTicket23 on November 26, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
If Memphis continues to struggle, Tyreke Evans might be an interesting option.

Ainge has long had some sort of infatuation with the player and he is having a great season for Memphis off the bench. Playing on a 1 year 3.3 million contract. He has experience as a ball handler and can create his own offense/score/shoot the 3.

Tyreke Evans 2017-2018 would be really nice to come of our bench! He would boost our scoring inmediately. Tyreke Evans 2013-2017, No thank you...

Great idea, could flourish under BS, not sure about his defense, he was awful but haven't watched him that much of late...
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: TheBigTicket23 on November 26, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
I find Julius Randle also a very interesting option at the moment. I mean when he plays the Lakers usually play better but still he is not getting the minutes and is supposed to be on the trade block.

Bad thing is anybody needs to pay him and he is still going to get a contract from some GM around 10-12m/y.

Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Phantom255x on December 12, 2017, 06:04:16 PM
I'm honestly just about done with Nader.

We have the DPE, and I think we're definitely a legit destination for any bought-out players using the Veteran Minimum exception.

CUT Nader, then sign (or trade) for two more players using DPE + Vet. Min.
Title: Re: C's Would Benefit Even More With Another Depth Big/Bench Scorer
Post by: Rondo9 on December 12, 2017, 06:25:36 PM
I'm honestly just about done with Nader.

We have the DPE, and I think we're definitely a legit destination for any bought-out players using the Veteran Minimum exception.

CUT Nader, then sign (or trade) for two more players using DPE + Vet. Min.

You probably won't see Nader most nights.