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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Eddie20 on November 07, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski
No conversations yet on a Suns-Greg Monroe contract buyout, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will likely explore trade possibilities first, but it is unlikely partnership extends through end of the season. This is final year of Monroe's deal.
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Adrian Wojnarowski
No conversations yet on a Suns-Greg Monroe contract buyout, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will likely explore trade possibilities first, but it is unlikely partnership extends through end of the season. This is final year of Monroe's deal.
you want the Celts to pick him up? yes or no
He has been historically a Celtics killer
Old school big man that can handle/pass, work the low post, good rebounder but can't shoot a lick
I'm not sure myself...
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Adrian Wojnarowski
No conversations yet on a Suns-Greg Monroe contract buyout, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will likely explore trade possibilities first, but it is unlikely partnership extends through end of the season. This is final year of Monroe's deal.
you want the Celts to pick him up? yes or no
He has been historically a Celtics killer
Old school big man that can handle/pass, work the low post, good rebounder but can't shoot a lick
I'm not sure myself...
Yes, I do. People want Okafor, but if we are comparing the two Monroe is the superior player. Unlike Okafor, Monroe can pass, rebound, and defend the post. He would be a great option off the bench to add scoring and take advantage of weak second string bigs. He's also said to be a good teammate and never once complained about having his minutes cut in Milwaukee.
Oh, he's also durable and Okafor isn't. Don't let his current "injury" fool you. I have a strong feeling that it was just a ploy as they worked on the desk with the Suns.
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Love how all these teams are trying to get rid of their slow post playing bigs. Lol
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Adrian Wojnarowski
No conversations yet on a Suns-Greg Monroe contract buyout, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will likely explore trade possibilities first, but it is unlikely partnership extends through end of the season. This is final year of Monroe's deal.
you want the Celts to pick him up? yes or no
He has been historically a Celtics killer
Old school big man that can handle/pass, work the low post, good rebounder but can't shoot a lick
I'm not sure myself...
Yes, I do. People want Okafor, but if we are comparing the two Monroe is the superior player. Unlike Okafor, Monroe can pass, rebound, and defend the post. He would be a great option off the bench to add scoring and take advantage of weak second string bigs. He's also said to be a good t manage and never once complained about having his minutes cut in Milwaukee.
Oh, he's also durable and Okafor isn't. Don't let his current "injury" fool you. I have a strong feeling that it was just a ploy as they worked on the desk with the Suns.
And I think under CBS his passing and IQ can flourish
but his inability to shoot .... =T
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Adrian Wojnarowski
No conversations yet on a Suns-Greg Monroe contract buyout, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will likely explore trade possibilities first, but it is unlikely partnership extends through end of the season. This is final year of Monroe's deal.
you want the Celts to pick him up? yes or no
He has been historically a Celtics killer
Old school big man that can handle/pass, work the low post, good rebounder but can't shoot a lick
I'm not sure myself...
Yes, I do. People want Okafor, but if we are comparing the two Monroe is the superior player. Unlike Okafor, Monroe can pass, rebound, and defend the post. He would be a great option off the bench to add scoring and take advantage of weak second string bigs. He's also said to be a good teammate and never once complained about having his minutes cut in Milwaukee.
Oh, he's also durable and Okafor isn't. Don't let his current "injury" fool you. I have a strong feeling that it was just a ploy as they worked on the desk with the Suns.
I don’t know if I’d describe Monroe as a good defender in any capacity. He’s definitely better at Center than PF, but is there a basis for thinking he can defend the post? And by that, do you just mean post-ups, or do you think he’s an adequate rim protector?
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Adrian Wojnarowski
No conversations yet on a Suns-Greg Monroe contract buyout, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will likely explore trade possibilities first, but it is unlikely partnership extends through end of the season. This is final year of Monroe's deal.
you want the Celts to pick him up? yes or no
He has been historically a Celtics killer
Old school big man that can handle/pass, work the low post, good rebounder but can't shoot a lick
I'm not sure myself...
Yes, I do. People want Okafor, but if we are comparing the two Monroe is the superior player. Unlike Okafor, Monroe can pass, rebound, and defend the post. He would be a great option off the bench to add scoring and take advantage of weak second string bigs. He's also said to be a good teammate and never once complained about having his minutes cut in Milwaukee.
Oh, he's also durable and Okafor isn't. Don't let his current "injury" fool you. I have a strong feeling that it was just a ploy as they worked on the desk with the Suns.
I don’t know if I’d describe Monroe as a good defender in any capacity. He’s definitely better at Center than PF, but is there a basis for thinking he can defend the post? And by that, do you just mean post-ups, or do you think he’s an adequate rim protector?
He can defend the post effectively. He's a strong player, who's able to maintain position, and has a good understanding of defensive post play (don't see him going for many fakes). His high screen and roll D is another story, as his lateral quickness has never been a strong suit. He's not a rin protector per say, but he is able to grab rebounds, which limits second shot opportunities. If he can bring 80% of what Baynes brings defensively, playing big and tough, then it would be a fine addition.
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Adrian Wojnarowski
No conversations yet on a Suns-Greg Monroe contract buyout, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will likely explore trade possibilities first, but it is unlikely partnership extends through end of the season. This is final year of Monroe's deal.
you want the Celts to pick him up? yes or no
He has been historically a Celtics killer
Old school big man that can handle/pass, work the low post, good rebounder but can't shoot a lick
I'm not sure myself...
Yes, I do. People want Okafor, but if we are comparing the two Monroe is the superior player. Unlike Okafor, Monroe can pass, rebound, and defend the post. He would be a great option off the bench to add scoring and take advantage of weak second string bigs. He's also said to be a good teammate and never once complained about having his minutes cut in Milwaukee.
Oh, he's also durable and Okafor isn't. Don't let his current "injury" fool you. I have a strong feeling that it was just a ploy as they worked on the desk with the Suns.
I don’t know if I’d describe Monroe as a good defender in any capacity. He’s definitely better at Center than PF, but is there a basis for thinking he can defend the post? And by that, do you just mean post-ups, or do you think he’s an adequate rim protector?
Isn't the question more if we see Monroe as a better option than either Baynes or Theis?
On def I def don't see him as better, but he has scored a lot of points on us in the last few years. He looked pretty good against us earlier this year - 17 min 8 points 6 rebounds. He hasn't seen any minutes since that game though. 4 straight games with no minutes, I guess he might be injured?
I could see why we might be at least a bit interested. Veteran big guy that can get points and rebounds for the 2nd unit.
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I don’t know if I’d describe Monroe as a good defender in any capacity. He’s definitely better at Center than PF, but is there a basis for thinking he can defend the post? And by that, do you just mean post-ups, or do you think he’s an adequate rim protector?
Same was true of Kyrie many thought and yet he has bought in, maybe Monroe will as well. I trust DA if he thinks it best, I support him but to each his own.
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Not much interest in Monroe. Don't think he would accept an end of bench role.
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Morris definitely seems to have filled that last 'big' role, but I suppose Monroe could be a better option than Theis. The thing about Theis is even though he isn't a particularly great playmaker and I don't love his post game, he does exactly what you want your 4th big to be able to do: bring energy, rebound, block, even knock down an outside shot.
I'm afraid Monroe is just going to be a worse version of Horford/Morris/Baynes - although I suppose he has the potential to be very good, as he once was. Theis brings something totally different.
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Always thought Monroe was a solid player and would be interested in him as a buyout guy. Would give us another look in playoff series depending on matchups. Like his size and passing ability.
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I have no interest in dinosaurs. Whether that's Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Jahlil Okafor, or some other post only scoring, non outside shooting, poor defending big man doesn't matter. They don't belong on this team in this system.
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I have no interest in dinosaurs. Whether that's Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Jahlil Okafor, or some other post only scoring, non outside shooting, poor defending big man doesn't matter. They don't belong on this team in this system.
As a defender, Monroe is on a completely different level than those other 2.
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i think the Celts will pass
last years team tries hard to bring him in
But not this years group. Its his inability to make the 15-17 footers
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If we are paying vet minimum then why not Monroe? This team isn't exactly flush with bigs. After Baynes and Horford we've got exactly 0 guys who are 6'10 or taller who could play the 5.
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If we are paying vet minimum then why not Monroe? This team isn't exactly flush with bigs. After Baynes and Horford we've got exactly 0 guys who are 6'10 or taller who could play the 5.
That's pretty much the point. If it were a big to stretch the floor then a simple option would've been Hawes. It's hard to imagine a player as talented as Monroe would be bought out later in the year and these extra months of integrating him on the squad could pay dividends in the playoffs.
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I have no interest in dinosaurs. Whether that's Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Jahlil Okafor, or some other post only scoring, non outside shooting, poor defending big man doesn't matter. They don't belong on this team in this system.
Not an up to date depiction of Monroe. He is a good defender, he was the Bucks best defensive traditional big last season. That’s a credit to him working on his game and becoming a good team defender and better in the pick and roll.
He’s a very good passer at the 5, who has never been used that way in Milwaukee. He’s an elite rebounder and he makes his free throws.
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I have no interest in dinosaurs. Whether that's Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Jahlil Okafor, or some other post only scoring, non outside shooting, poor defending big man doesn't matter. They don't belong on this team in this system.
Not an up to date depiction of Monroe. He is a good defender, he was the Bucks best defensive traditional big last season. That’s a credit to him working on his game and becoming a good team defender and better in the pick and roll.
He’s a very good passer at the 5, who has never been used that way in Milwaukee. He’s an elite rebounder and he makes his free throws.
He's a good defender like Olynyk was a good defender. Some stats say he is good and positionally he is where he needs to be, but he usually isn't being a real defensive difference maker and generally is being beaten in one on one matchups.
Yes, is passing is better, and is a very good free throw shooter. His rebounding is excellent. But he still doesn't fit this team's system or makeup like Theis and Baynes do. Neither does Okafor.
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Danny is not going to waste that last roster spot on Monroe. He will wait for someone good to surprisingly be bought out then dangle the dpe on them
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I have no interest in dinosaurs. Whether that's Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, Jahlil Okafor, or some other post only scoring, non outside shooting, poor defending big man doesn't matter. They don't belong on this team in this system.
Not an up to date depiction of Monroe. He is a good defender, he was the Bucks best defensive traditional big last season. That’s a credit to him working on his game and becoming a good team defender and better in the pick and roll.
He’s a very good passer at the 5, who has never been used that way in Milwaukee. He’s an elite rebounder and he makes his free throws.
He's a good defender like Olynyk was a good defender. Some stats say he is good and positionally he is where he needs to be, but he usually isn't being a real defensive difference maker and generally is being beaten in one on one matchups.
Yes, is passing is better, and is a very good free throw shooter. His rebounding is excellent. But he still doesn't fit this team's system or makeup like Theis and Baynes do. Neither does Okafor.
Still think you’re underselling the defensive improvement but meh.
Yeah I agree I don’t really see his role. He’s only going to sign somewhere he’ll get minutes, his next contract was supposed to be the ‘screw you’ money contract. I disagree about the defense but I’d be surprised if he got to Boston without assurances he would never get from Brad/Danny.
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Danny is not going to waste that last roster spot on Monroe. He will wait for someone good to surprisingly be bought out then dangle the dpe on them
Can you give some examples of players you think will be available and superior to Monroe? Should be a really long list so I'll give you some time.
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Monroe brings a veteran presence which we need for inside game
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Danny is not going to waste that last roster spot on Monroe. He will wait for someone good to surprisingly be bought out then dangle the dpe on them
Can you give some examples of players you think will be available and superior to Monroe? Should be a really long list so I'll give you some time.
Not directly superior, but filling an 8,4 mil slot with any player just to be ready for a potential AD trade (or other, you never know, see Kyrie) if they self-combust would be a superior use of the DPE in my book.
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Well Monroe got traded to the Suns. Let see if he fits there.
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It's a shame the NBA has soured so quickly on guys like Monroe. He's always killed us so I have a ton of respect for the guy but like others have stated unsure how he fits in our system.
Are there any NBA teams who like to run with traditional bigs anymore or is everyone going spread?
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Danny is not going to waste that last roster spot on Monroe. He will wait for someone good to surprisingly be bought out then dangle the dpe on them
Can you give some examples of players you think will be available and superior to Monroe? Should be a really long list so I'll give you some time.
Not directly superior, but filling an 8,4 mil slot with any player just to be ready for a potential AD trade (or other, you never know, see Kyrie) if they self-combust would be a superior use of the DPE in my book.
Too late for that now. We would have needed to sign a free agent by yesterday for him to be eligible for inclusion in an Anthony Davis deal.
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Danny is not going to waste that last roster spot on Monroe. He will wait for someone good to surprisingly be bought out then dangle the dpe on them
Can you give some examples of players you think will be available and superior to Monroe? Should be a really long list so I'll give you some time.
Not directly superior, but filling an 8,4 mil slot with any player just to be ready for a potential AD trade (or other, you never know, see Kyrie) if they self-combust would be a superior use of the DPE in my book.
Too late for that now. We would have needed to sign a free agent by yesterday for him to be eligible for inclusion in an Anthony Davis deal.
Shame, that would be such a nice ace our sleeve.
Tnx for the tip.
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I don't get what is not to like about Greg Monroe. He has been a remarkably consistent and durable player for 8 seasons and is only 27 years old. With his current contract, there is no way we can get him without him being bought out but if he is, I can't think of anything much better we are going to get for Hayward's DPE.
Others say he won't want to come here or whatever but there is a good chance he would start. He would definitely have the chance at consistent minutes. I think a big rotation of Horford, Morris, Monroe, Baynes, with the first 3 getting most of the minutes, is pretty solid. Yes, he will get fewer shots and need to focus more on defense and rebounding but he may get a chance to play in the finals. Not too many teams can offer that.
Compare stats for Monroe to Al Horford through 8 seasons, pretty similar. Now I get it that Horford has developed a 3-pt shot that Monroe does not have but Horford didn't have one either at that point in his career. I think Monroe can be a very useful big even without a 3-pt shot. I hope we get him.
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Danny is not going to waste that last roster spot on Monroe. He will wait for someone good to surprisingly be bought out then dangle the dpe on them
Can you give some examples of players you think will be available and superior to Monroe? Should be a really long list so I'll give you some time.
Not directly superior, but filling an 8,4 mil slot with any player just to be ready for a potential AD trade (or other, you never know, see Kyrie) if they self-combust would be a superior use of the DPE in my book.
Too late for that now. We would have needed to sign a free agent by yesterday for him to be eligible for inclusion in an Anthony Davis deal.
Shame, that would be such a nice ace our sleeve.
Tnx for the tip.
Actually, I got it wrong by a couple of days. The trade deadline is February 8th. I thought it was February 6th. We’d have to sign a player 90 days before trading him, so we have through tomorrow. I still don’t see that happening at this point, but it’s technically not impossible.
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Meh. Good player, bad fit. Whatever CBS thinks, I'm on board with it.
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Danny is not going to waste that last roster spot on Monroe. He will wait for someone good to surprisingly be bought out then dangle the dpe on them
Can you give some examples of players you think will be available and superior to Monroe? Should be a really long list so I'll give you some time.
Not directly superior, but filling an 8,4 mil slot with any player just to be ready for a potential AD trade (or other, you never know, see Kyrie) if they self-combust would be a superior use of the DPE in my book.
Boston still has the DPE and 8.4 million if it signs Monroe to a minimum contract though. Boston then just has to waive someone like Nader to make the roster spot. That seems like a much preferred option then hoping someone better comes along.
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I don't get what is not to like about Greg Monroe. He has been a remarkably consistent and durable player for 8 seasons and is only 27 years old. With his current contract, there is no way we can get him without him being bought out but if he is, I can't think of anything much better we are going to get for Hayward's DPE.
Others say he won't want to come here or whatever but there is a good chance he would start. He would definitely have the chance at consistent minutes. I think a big rotation of Horford, Morris, Monroe, Baynes, with the first 3 getting most of the minutes, is pretty solid. Yes, he will get fewer shots and need to focus more on defense and rebounding but he may get a chance to play in the finals. Not too many teams can offer that.
Compare stats for Monroe to Al Horford through 8 seasons, pretty similar. Now I get it that Horford has developed a 3-pt shot that Monroe does not have but Horford didn't have one either at that point in his career. I think Monroe can be a very useful big even without a 3-pt shot. I hope we get him.
The red flag I see with him is defensively.
He just doesn’t have the lateral foot speed to guard anyone other than a true center. With so many teams deploying stretch fours, I think he’d become the weak link in our defense as we’d only be one switch away from a mismatch anytime he’s on the floor. And even the true dominant bigs, like Porzingis and Embiid, are too quick and skilled from the perimeter for him to guard.
And to that, the fact that he can’t shoot the three, and you are talking about a guy who is a liability on both ends of the floor. Skilled, yes, but if you are already committed to sub-par shooters like Smart and Brown, there is no way you can add another non-shooter to the mix and expect Kyrie to still find open lanes to drive the ball.
Remember it took Al Horford nearly five years of targeted work to become a three point threat. We can’t expect Monroe (or Okafor for that matter) to add that to their game in one offseason. At this point, Baynes and Theis both are better fits for this team.
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Seems like the question should be is he an upgrade over Baynes, because Baynes has most of the same limitations. At very least he'd be solid injury depth, and he's a better low post scorer and passer than Baynes.
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At this point, Baynes and Theis both are better fits for this team.
I don't understand this take. Baynes and Theis are much less talented players than Monroe. Baynes is a true banger and offers an ingredient that is useful and that Monroe cannot provide but if we add Monroe, then we can still have Baynes around to bang for say 16 min and 4 fouls per game. Monroe has demonstrated that he doesn't mind playing with the second unit where his lack of defense is not as big an issue and his skills (scoring/passing) can be featured more. Baynes and Theis are not going to be featured for anything.
I don't see Monroe transcending the team or anything like that but if he becomes available, I see him as a valuable add to the big rotation mix.
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At this point, Baynes and Theis both are better fits for this team.
I don't understand this take. Baynes and Theis are much less talented players than Monroe. Baynes is a true banger and offers an ingredient that is useful and that Monroe cannot provide but if we add Monroe, then we can still have Baynes around to bang for say 16 min and 4 fouls per game. Monroe has demonstrated that he doesn't mind playing with the second unit where his lack of defense is not as big an issue and his skills (scoring/passing) can be featured more. Baynes and Theis are not going to be featured for anything.
I don't see Monroe transcending the team or anything like that but if he becomes available, I see him as a valuable add to the big rotation mix.
More talent =/= better fit.
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Monroe is a good player.
In a perfect world, I'd like a 2 or a 3 for us now, but Monroe might well be the best player available now on the market. I won't complain if we get him.
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At this point, Baynes and Theis both are better fits for this team.
I don't understand this take. Baynes and Theis are much less talented players than Monroe. Baynes is a true banger and offers an ingredient that is useful and that Monroe cannot provide but if we add Monroe, then we can still have Baynes around to bang for say 16 min and 4 fouls per game. Monroe has demonstrated that he doesn't mind playing with the second unit where his lack of defense is not as big an issue and his skills (scoring/passing) can be featured more. Baynes and Theis are not going to be featured for anything.
I don't see Monroe transcending the team or anything like that but if he becomes available, I see him as a valuable add to the big rotation mix.
More talent =/= better fit.
A better fit than who tho? He’s a better fit than Okafor, in that they have similar styles but Monroe actually knows what to do in an NBA game. Our position with the least depth is PF/C, so that’s probably what we should be looking at for any player acquired. The pickings are slim. It’s November — people say “wait for buyout season” as if all these amazing players are going to line up to come to Boston. As we’ve seen in past years, the players aren’t amazing, and they don’t line up to be a Celtic. If Monroe is released in the next few weeks, the Celtics absolutely should make him the top priority with the DPE. The odds of a better player or even a better fit coming along are pretty low. Stevens is very good at putting players in situations/lineups that maximize their strengths while minimizing their weaknesses, and I have no concern that he’d figure out how to do that with a talented player like Monroe.
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This is from IndeedProceed.
Before everyone calls this a definitive 'win' for Milwaukee, some numbers:
Greg Monroe was 2nd on the team in SIMPLE Rating, 2nd on the team in ESPN's RPM, 2nd on the team in defensive rating last year, and 2nd on the team in WS/48 (assuming you don't count Spencer Hawes's 171 total minutes).
Greg Monroe has been the Buck's 2nd best player for the last 3 years. He's done that in spite of Jason Kidd blaming him for every little thing that goes wrong, and yanking him in and out of the lineup seemingly at random.
Don't be surprised if A) This is a lateral year for the Bucks in terms of wins B) They suddenly get terrible defensively because Greg Monroe was also their best defensive big man last year.
I probably still do the trade if I'm Milwaukee because Monroe is in the last year of his contract and won't be back after how he's been treated if money isn't a motivating factor, but treating him as just a dollar sign placeholder in terms of what's being taken away vs whats being added is wrong, demonstrably.
I thought myself that he was a bad defender, but IP's argument here makes the case for me. If he gets bought out, I won't mind having him on our team.
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We are slowly acquiring ex Pistons big men. Baynes, Morris, maybe Monroe next. ;D
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As far as I can see, CBS wants his bigs to be able to do these things: 1) Mobility to defend the perimeter 2) Passing 3) Pick-game 4) Shooting Outside 5) Toughness to defend the paint 6) Rebounding 7) Post-up scoring.
That's also in the order it seems like CBS prioritizes it.
From how I see it, most of the things Monroe does well are the things CBS values the least in a big. However, there is one skill that is legit: passing.
Monroe legitimately has some of the best passing instincts in the NBA for a big man. The stats do not back this up because he has played for the Pistons, next to Drummond, which closed down offensive passing lanes. For the Bucks, he was assigned to the bench, to play with bench players in an ISO-heavy offense that lacks movement.
Monroe's passing ability is similar to Horford's, but the problem is that, because Monroe can't shoot, bigs can ice ball-handlers on the pick and roll with no fear that Monroe will pop for a 17 footer, or for a 3. This would also close down driving lanes for Kyrie, Smart, Rozier, Brown, and Tatum.
What I do like is that he would fit into our culture of moving the ball and making the right passes. It also wouldn't be too hard to get him touches on the block, because we are doing those actions more this year in our offense.
Monroe's rebounding solves a problem we really don't have anymore. He has always had a bad habit of peeling off the ball-handler driving into the lane too soon so that he can try to get a rebound. He is also late on rotations. These things give him good rebounding numbers, but below average defensive field goal percentage at the rim (above 52%).
His poor foot speed and lack of effort also puts him in the 24% of all big men in defending the pick-and-roll. For reference, last year, Al and Baynes were above 50% and Kelly and Amir above 78%.
Considering that we have Baynes, who can protect the rim, set picks, pass (a little), and stretch the floor out to 18 feet (corner 3s are coming soon!), Theis who can defend the perimeter and paint, set picks, pass, and stretch the floor out to the 3 point line, and Morris, who can can defend the perimeter, set picks, pass, and stretch the floor out to the 3 point line, I don't see Monroe as a necessary cog or a cog that fits our system.
With how we are rebounding, even Tatum and Brown fit at the 4 next to one of those bigs better than Monroe would.
Even if there was an injury, because this is largely a developmental season, I would love to run with Yabusele and Smart out on the court at the same time. Yabusele would do some of the offensive stuff that you look for, and Smart would yell at Yabusele until he started figuring out rotations. Our defense would be awful for a while, but Yabadabadoo would be just as good if not better than Monroe at defending the pick-and-rolls.
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As far as I can see, CBS wants his bigs to be able to do these things: 1) Mobility to defend the perimeter 2) Passing 3) Pick-game 4) Shooting Outside 5) Toughness to defend the paint 6) Rebounding 7) Post-up scoring.
That's also in the order it seems like CBS prioritizes it.
From how I see it, most of the things Monroe does well are the things CBS values the least in a big. However, there is one skill that is legit: passing.
Monroe legitimately has some of the best passing instincts in the NBA for a big man. The stats do not back this up because he has played for the Pistons, next to Drummond, which closed down offensive passing lanes. For the Bucks, he was assigned to the bench, to play with bench players in an ISO-heavy offense that lacks movement.
Monroe's passing ability is similar to Horford's, but the problem is that, because Monroe can't shoot, bigs can ice ball-handlers on the pick and roll with no fear that Monroe will pop for a 17 footer, or for a 3. This would also close down driving lanes for Kyrie, Smart, Rozier, Brown, and Tatum.
What I do like is that he would fit into our culture of moving the ball and making the right passes. It also wouldn't be too hard to get him touches on the block, because we are doing those actions more this year in our offense.
Monroe's rebounding solves a problem we really don't have anymore. He has always had a bad habit of peeling off the ball-handler driving into the lane too soon so that he can try to get a rebound. He is also late on rotations. These things give him good rebounding numbers, but below average defensive field goal percentage at the rim (above 52%).
His poor foot speed and lack of effort also puts him in the 24% of all big men in defending the pick-and-roll. For reference, last year, Al and Baynes were above 50% and Kelly and Amir above 78%.
Considering that we have Baynes, who can protect the rim, set picks, pass (a little), and stretch the floor out to 18 feet (corner 3s are coming soon!), Theis who can defend the perimeter and paint, set picks, pass, and stretch the floor out to the 3 point line, and Morris, who can can defend the perimeter, set picks, pass, and stretch the floor out to the 3 point line, I don't see Monroe as a necessary cog or a cog that fits our system.
With how we are rebounding, even Tatum and Brown fit at the 4 next to one of those bigs better than Monroe would.
Even if there was an injury, because this is largely a developmental season, I would love to run with Yabusele and Smart out on the court at the same time. Yabusele would do some of the offensive stuff that you look for, and Smart would yell at Yabusele until he started figuring out rotations. Our defense would be awful for a while, but Yabadabadoo is not that much of a step down from Monroe on defense. He'd get a lot of fouls, but he'd also be a better perimeter defender with his foot speed.
So far this year Monroe is shooting 66.7% from 10-16 feet. Small sample size, but last year he shot 47.5% from that range and the year before that 42.9%. All three are well above the league average from 10-16 feet. From 16' to 3 pointers, he shot 43.8% last year and 39.3% the year before. He barely shoots 3 pointers and never hits them, but he is actually a pretty good deep 2 ball shooter.
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As far as I can see, CBS wants his bigs to be able to do these things: 1) Mobility to defend the perimeter 2) Passing 3) Pick-game 4) Shooting Outside 5) Toughness to defend the paint 6) Rebounding 7) Post-up scoring.
That's also in the order it seems like CBS prioritizes it.
From how I see it, most of the things Monroe does well are the things CBS values the least in a big. However, there is one skill that is legit: passing.
Monroe legitimately has some of the best passing instincts in the NBA for a big man. The stats do not back this up because he has played for the Pistons, next to Drummond, which closed down offensive passing lanes. For the Bucks, he was assigned to the bench, to play with bench players in an ISO-heavy offense that lacks movement.
Monroe's passing ability is similar to Horford's, but the problem is that, because Monroe can't shoot, bigs can ice ball-handlers on the pick and roll with no fear that Monroe will pop for a 17 footer, or for a 3. This would also close down driving lanes for Kyrie, Smart, Rozier, Brown, and Tatum.
What I do like is that he would fit into our culture of moving the ball and making the right passes. It also wouldn't be too hard to get him touches on the block, because we are doing those actions more this year in our offense.
Monroe's rebounding solves a problem we really don't have anymore. He has always had a bad habit of peeling off the ball-handler driving into the lane too soon so that he can try to get a rebound. He is also late on rotations. These things give him good rebounding numbers, but below average defensive field goal percentage at the rim (above 52%).
His poor foot speed and lack of effort also puts him in the 24% of all big men in defending the pick-and-roll. For reference, last year, Al and Baynes were above 50% and Kelly and Amir above 78%.
Considering that we have Baynes, who can protect the rim, set picks, pass (a little), and stretch the floor out to 18 feet (corner 3s are coming soon!), Theis who can defend the perimeter and paint, set picks, pass, and stretch the floor out to the 3 point line, and Morris, who can can defend the perimeter, set picks, pass, and stretch the floor out to the 3 point line, I don't see Monroe as a necessary cog or a cog that fits our system.
With how we are rebounding, even Tatum and Brown fit at the 4 next to one of those bigs better than Monroe would.
Even if there was an injury, because this is largely a developmental season, I would love to run with Yabusele and Smart out on the court at the same time. Yabusele would do some of the offensive stuff that you look for, and Smart would yell at Yabusele until he started figuring out rotations. Our defense would be awful for a while, but Yabadabadoo is not that much of a step down from Monroe on defense. He'd get a lot of fouls, but he'd also be a better perimeter defender with his foot speed.
So far this year Monroe is shooting 66.7% from 10-16 feet. Small sample size, but last year he shot 47.5% from that range and the year before that 42.9%. All three are well above the league average from 10-16 feet. From 16' to 3 pointers, he shot 43.8% last year and 39.3% the year before. He barely shoots 3 pointers and never hits them, but he is actually a pretty good deep 2 ball shooter.
I did not know that. His shooting touch is better than I thought.
However, the rate at which he shoots them is very low. Based on my math, last year, he took 1 shot more than 10 feet from the basket per game.
This means that he made two of those every 5 games. Not bad, but also that's not going to be something that pulls the big defender away from helping on the ball-handler after a pick.
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Monroe has now started 3 games with PHX. Per36 (I know, the beloved stat), he is 20.6 pts/10.3 rebs in two wins (CHI, LAL) and a loss (HOU). In one game (the second of a back to back) he played only 16 minutes.
That is a pretty nice audition for teams who might be looking at him. It does not seem like he will be released (why would PHX want to do that?). Someone will trade for him.
Monroe makes about $17.9M. The DPE is $8.4 To get within 125%, we would need to include about $6M in salary, right? I don't see how that happens.
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(why would PHX want to do that?)
They don't have any intention of signing him and want to save some money (if they're above the salary floor) or doing the player/agent a solid to build goodwill. We will see if he stays there all season, a lot depends on if he wants to go to a playoff team towards that deadline.
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(why would PHX want to do that?)
They don't have any intention of signing him and want to save some money (if they're above the salary floor) or doing the player/agent a solid to build goodwill. We will see if he stays there all season, a lot depends on if he wants to go to a playoff team towards that deadline.
They also don't really want to win games so there is that. I guess after a period of showcasing and gauging interest, they may buy him out but I see it as unlikely I guess.
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Monroe has now started 3 games with PHX. Per36 (I know, the beloved stat), he is 20.6 pts/10.3 rebs in two wins (CHI, LAL) and a loss (HOU). In one game (the second of a back to back) he played only 16 minutes.
That is a pretty nice audition for teams who might be looking at him. It does not seem like he will be released (why would PHX want to do that?). Someone will trade for him.
Monroe makes about $17.9M. The DPE is $8.4 To get within 125%, we would need to include about $6M in salary, right? I don't see how that happens.
No. To get within 125%, we'd have to send out about $14.3 million in salary. The DPE cannot be combined with other exceptions or outgoing players in order to bring in a higher salaried player
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(why would PHX want to do that?)
They don't have any intention of signing him and want to save some money (if they're above the salary floor) or doing the player/agent a solid to build goodwill.
If they’re above the salary floor, it’s only by a few hundred thousand dollars, so there isn’t much to be saved there. As long as Monroe is getting minutes, he won’t lobby too much for a buyout, because he’s getting his chance to show for his next contract. Phoenix might buy him out after the trade deadline if they’re unable to get a second-rounder for him and they want to give minutes to someone younger, but I wouldn’t expect it before then. I know people have mentioned December 6th, because they need a roster space for another move at that point, but I don’t see Monroe being the player cleared.
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(why would PHX want to do that?)
They don't have any intention of signing him and want to save some money (if they're above the salary floor) or doing the player/agent a solid to build goodwill.
If they’re above the salary floor, it’s only by a few hundred thousand dollars, so there isn’t much to be saved there. As long as Monroe is getting minutes, he won’t lobby too much for a buyout, because he’s getting his chance to show for his next contract. Phoenix might buy him out after the trade deadline if they’re unable to get a second-rounder for him and they want to give minutes to someone younger, but I wouldn’t expect it before then. I know people have mentioned December 6th, because they need a roster space for another move at that point, but I don’t see Monroe being the player cleared.
Honestly I don't even see why they would buy him out after the trade deadline. He has played quite well for them and they might actually keep him long term if they like him more then Len (Chriss and Bender are both good fits with him). Unless he specifically asks out and causes a fuss, I just don't see a reason they would buy him out, and if they keep playing him good minutes, he won't ask out or cause a fuss.
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I think he stays there, folks.
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I think he stays there, folks.
Unless the Suns decide that he is detrimental to tanking he stays.
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If he's bought out, I want him for the last roster spot. He's better than any conceivable DPE candidate. 12-15 minutes for a winner, he'll love it here.
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The key point that keeps being forgotten is that they NEED to create a roster spot in order to address James' 2-way contract situation. Obviously they'd like to find a suitor from a trade in order to receive some value, but that reminds dire. Not sure how many teams are eager to deal for Monroe or Chandler considering their contract and knowing the Suns are basically forced to make a deal. Len is the one player I think they'll hold on to through the end of the year unless a team steps up with a solid offer.
Suns General Manager Ryan McDonough reiterated Monday that the team would like to sign guard Mike James to a standard NBA contract before his two-way contract expires on Dec. 6 and he becomes a free agent.
“He’s played well,” McDonough said. “Obviously he got off to a good start and then struggled a little bit two to three weeks ago but recently he’s returned to form and played well and helped us get a couple of wins. We’d still like to get him on the 15-man roster and we’re looking at different ways to do that.”
One way to clear a roster spot is to clear the three-man logjam at center with Tyson Chandler, Greg Monroe and Alex Len all vying for playing time. When the Suns acquired Monroe from the Milwaukee Bucks in the Eric Bledsoe deal, McDonough said he was open to the idea of trading Monroe but that a contract buyout was “less likely.”
Monroe’s expiring contract is a valuable trade chip but, because the Suns want to have cap space in the summer of 2018 to possibly go after a free agent, they likely won’t take salary in return, thus making a deal more complicated.
“There’s different ways to do it, different ways to create a roster spot,” McDonough said. “We’ll look at all of them. I don’t want to say too much about it because people jump to conclusions.”
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He d be fantastic addition .
Celtics could play serious BiG or Small ball......We will need him eventually to play Philly and we could punish Warriors and Cavs inside ......OH hed be sweet addition.
CBS would have MORE buttons to push ......Big ones
Do it Danny ......tell wyc to open his pocket book