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Title: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: FLCeltsFan on November 05, 2017, 10:20:25 PM
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Boston Celtics (8-2) at Atlanta Hawks (2-8)
Monday, November 6, 2017
7:30 PM ET
Regular Season Game #11, Road Game #7
TV: NBCSB,  FSSE-ATL, NBA-LP 750 (DTV)/752 (xfinity)
Radio: 100.7 WZLX, 92.9 FM The Game
Philips Arena

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Probable Starting Matchups
Point Guard

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Kyrie Irving vs Dennis Schroder

Shooting Guard

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Jaylen Brown vs Kent Bazemore

Small Forward
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Jayson Tatum vs Taurean Prince

Power Forward
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Al Horford vs Luke Babbitt

Center
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Aron Baynes vs Dewayne Dedmon 

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Marcus Morris 
Shane Larkin
Abdel Nader
Semi Ojeleye
Daniel Theis
Guerschon Yabusele
Terry Rozier
Marcus Smart

Injuries

Gordon Hayward (ankle)  out
Marcus Morris (rest)  out

Two Way Players
Kadeem Allen
Jabari Bird

Head Coach
Brad Stevens

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Hawks Reserves
Marco Belinelli
Nicolas Brussino
John Collins
Isaiah Taylor

Injuries

Mike Muscala (ankle) out
DeAndre Bembry (wrist)  out
Malcolm Delaney (ankle) questionable
Ersan Ilyasova (knee)  out
Miles Plumlee (quad)  out

Two Way Players

Josh Magette

Head Coach
Mike Budenholzer

Game Notes
The Celtics visit the Atlanta Hawks for the first of 4 meetings this season.  They will meet again  in Atlanta on April 8 and twice in Boston on November 18 and February 2.  Atlanta won the series last season 2 games to 1.  The Celtics are 5-1 on the road while the Hawks are 0-3 at home.  The Celtics have the best record in the NBA while the Hawks have the worst record in the East. 

Both teams are playing on the second night of back to back games.  The Celtics are coming off a win in Orlando and are looking for their 9th straight win.   The Hawks had lost straight before  getting a 117-115 win over the Cavaliers in Cleveland on Sunday.  Both teams had to travel after their games but the Hawks will have the advantage of being at home.  The Celtics are playing in the final game of a 3 game road trip.

The Hawks have been struggling with injuries.  Luke Babbitt is expected to start at power forward in place of Mike Muscala (ankle).  DeAndre Bembry (wrist), Ersan Ilyasova (knee),  and Miles Plumlee (quad) are all expected to be out this game.  Malcolm Delaney (ankle) is listed as questionable. 

For the Celtics, only Gordon Hayward (ankle) is listed as out.  Marcus Morris got the start against the Orlando Magic in just his second game with the team.  Morris is expected to sit out this game to rest since it is back to back. 

Key Matchups
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Kyrie Irving vs Dennis Schroder
Schroder is playing very well in spite of the Hawks losing record.  He is averaging 21.7 points, 2.7 rebounds, 6.3 assists, and 1.3 steals.  He put up 28 points and 9 assists vs the Cavs on Sunday, shooting 69% from the field and 67% from beyond the arc.  Kyrie must stay with him and keep him from having another big game.  Kyrie also has to make him work on the defensive end to keep him from being fresh on offense. 

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Jayson Tatum vs Taurean Prince
Prince is averaging 14.0 points, 5.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists and 1.4 steals per game.  He is also shooting 46.3% from beyond the arc.  Tatum will need to stay with him, especially on the perimeter. 

Honorable Mention
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Jaylen Brown vs Kent Bazemore
Bazemore is averaging 13.1 points, 3.7 rebounds, and 3.3 assists per game.  In the past he has had a couple of big games against the Celtics.  He had 14 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists against the Cavaliers on Sunday. 

Keys to the Game
Play as a Team -  After the win over the Magic, several of the Celtics mentioned the fact that it was a team win and that their ability to play together without regard for stats is one of the reasons they won.  The Celtics play best when they play as a team on both ends of the court.  They have to move the ball and find the open man who then has to hit his shots.  They need to work as a team on defense and get stops.   

Take Care of the Ball - The Hawks are 10th in the league in forcing turnovers with 16.3 per game.  They are also 5th in steals with 9.1 and 11th with 17.9 points off turnovers.  The Celtics have to avoid making sloppy passes and they have to be aware when dribbling to avoid turning the ball over as the Hawks will make them pay if they do. 

Rebound -  Rebounding gives the Celtics extra possessions and it also deprives the Hawks of the same.  The Celtics are  averaging 47.3 rebounds per game while the Hawks are averaging 42.3 rebounds per game.   The Celtics need to continue to put out extra effort to win the battle of the boards.   

Defense
- Defense wins games.   The Celtics remain first in the league with a defensive rating of 94.7 while the Hawks are 23rd with a defensive rating of 106.6.  The Celtics have to keep making defense a priority and not let up on the effort necessary to get stops and hold their opponents below 100 points. 

Be Aggressive
- The Celtics must be the team that plays harder and that wants this win more.  They have to be aggressive in diving for loose balls, in going to the basket, in getting stops on the defensive end, and in going after rebounds.  They have to play harder and be more aggressive from start to finish.  The Hawks were the team that were more aggressive against the Cavs and they got the win.  The Celtics have to flip that and be the more aggressive team in this one. 

X-Factors
Trap Game - This has the makings of a trap game.  Atlanta with the worst record in the East and only 2 wins on the season.  The Hawks gaining some confidence with a win over the Cavs.  The Celtics being a bit too confident with an 8 game win streak.  The Celtics have to be careful not to underestimate the Hawks and they have to come out and play hard and respect the Hawks as a team that beat the Cavs the night before. 

Fatigue - The Celtics are playing in the final game of a 3 game road trip.  They are playing on the second night of back to back games but then, so are the Hawks.  The Celtics may have an advantage in that because of injuries, the Hawks starters may have to play more and their bench is somewhat depleted.  The team with more energy down the stretch will likely get the win. 

Focus On the Road - The Celtics are on the road and they have to focus on the game at hand and not the hostile crowd or the other distractions that a team faces when on the road.  Al Horford will likely face some boos after leaving the team last season for the Celtics.  They need to be able to block all that out and focus on playing basketball.  Young players especially have to maintain their focus to avoid the pitfalls of road games. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: csfansince60s on November 05, 2017, 10:21:23 PM
Back to backs tough on the team, but tougher on you!!

Thanks for the quick turnaround time and all you do, FLCelts!!

 TP!🏀🏀🏀☘️☘️☘️

C'mon, Celts stay HOT in HotLanta!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: FLCeltsFan on November 05, 2017, 10:21:56 PM
TP to csfansince60s for being the first to post in the game thread.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Celtics!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: footey on November 05, 2017, 10:25:12 PM
Let’s go 9 in a row!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eddie20 on November 05, 2017, 10:28:52 PM
John Collins is a pretty good rookie. He can really rebound and jump.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jon Niednagel on November 05, 2017, 10:31:36 PM
Did I make the starting team? I type too slow and I’m sure someone will beat me to it. But  I don’t care because... Nine in a row is about to happen !!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: saltlover on November 05, 2017, 10:34:50 PM
Looking forward to seeing Yabusele play 4 minutes in a C's blowout win!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 10:39:05 PM
Looking forward to seeing Yabusele play 4 minutes in a C's blowout win!
It should be double that.  Hawks just beat the Cavs,  So they're going to be satisfied.  They're also going to have a system shock going from playing against the worst defense to the best defense in a B2B. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 05, 2017, 10:44:08 PM
IN! LET'S GO C's! 8)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 05, 2017, 10:44:20 PM
LETS GO CELTICS..... TP FLCF
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jambr380 on November 05, 2017, 10:45:04 PM
Great thread as always FLC! But there is one little correction. It should say 'Monday' instead of 'Tuesday' at the beginning of your post.

Let's hope we can carry our mega-momentum to another win!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: saltlover on November 05, 2017, 10:45:57 PM
Looking forward to seeing Yabusele play 4 minutes in a C's blowout win!
It should be double that.  Hawks just beat the Cavs,  So they're going to be satisfied.  They're also going to have a system shock going from playing against the worst defense to the best defense in a B2B.

Maybe if we're up 30 after 3, it could be.  But Stevens seems to not like to bring in the mop up crew until 4-6 minutes left even up more than 20.  Although we haven't had a string of blowouts like this in his tenure, so past precedent could be out the window, I suppose.

And year, I guess up by 30 after 3 isn't entirely unreasonable.  As long as our guys get up for the game themselves coming off a B2B and 3 games in 4 stretch, this should be quite the beatdown.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 05, 2017, 10:58:12 PM
I won't be able to watch this game, sadly :(
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 05, 2017, 11:27:08 PM
number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9....
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Monkhouse on November 05, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
Be another fun game to watch, exciting to see how far Schroder has come. And whether or not Kyrie Irving can smoke the Hawks pitiful defense :)


TP FLCelts, the best, ONCE AGAIN!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 05, 2017, 11:54:49 PM
Half a round of golf...9! TP for continued amazing work.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Somebody on November 06, 2017, 12:29:40 AM
10! LET'S GO CELTICS!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: trickybilly on November 06, 2017, 06:25:08 AM
Trap game?

Nahhhhh..  hahahahahahahahahhah!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: celticslove on November 06, 2017, 06:31:17 AM
TP FL! Let's go for 9 straight Ws!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 06, 2017, 06:56:59 AM
GO Celtics!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 07:09:15 AM
I do not know where they get the energy .  just tired thinking of this much travel .

Go Celtics.

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eddie20 on November 06, 2017, 07:24:28 AM
I do not know where they get the energy .  just tired thinking of this much travel .

Go Celtics.

Yeah, that 90 minute trip on a private plane followed by a night at 5 star hotel sounds absolutely tortuous.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: FLCeltsFan on November 06, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
Great thread as always FLC! But there is one little correction. It should say 'Monday' instead of 'Tuesday' at the beginning of your post.

Let's hope we can carry our mega-momentum to another win!
Fixed!!  TP for catching it!   Back to backs are tough :) 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: ChillyWilly on November 06, 2017, 08:03:03 AM
Woohoo back to back I know the players and coaches hate it but as a fan wooohooo back to back!!!

I'm selfish but I can admit it and thats the first step right.  ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 06, 2017, 08:46:09 AM
I do not know where they get the energy .  just tired thinking of this much travel .

Go Celtics.

Yeah, that 90 minute trip on a private plane followed by a night at 5 star hotel sounds absolutely tortuous.
Oh, the inhumanity! Life is hard sometimes.  ::)

In any case, a non-tired tp goes out to flc. As ever, another great gamethread that assures the Celtics a win!!! Thanks flc.

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Celtics! ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 05:43:35 PM
Trap game?

Nahhhhh..  hahahahahahahahahhah!

It could be but The Hawks played last night and are very depleted. The way Brad staggers minutes and manages everything so the starters are fresh in the 4th This should be a win.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Rosco917 on November 06, 2017, 05:50:52 PM
Trap game?

Nahhhhh..  hahahahahahahahahhah!



It certainly has the makings of a trap game...last game of a road trip, back to back game, and against a team with a losing record.

I hope not...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tstorey_97 on November 06, 2017, 06:11:44 PM
Looking forward to seeing Yabusele play 4 minutes in a C's blowout win!

Dancing Bear subs for Gino on the road...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 06:29:57 PM
I vow not to make a single negative comment about Kyrie.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 06, 2017, 06:33:11 PM
Let’s get some early buckets Jaylen!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticsElite on November 06, 2017, 06:40:14 PM
Less than an hour left
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 06, 2017, 07:02:40 PM
I vow not to make a single negative comment about Kyrie.
I’ll be watching.  ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 07:04:50 PM
How lucky, my schedule got pushed a little bit so I can watch the game ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 07:14:23 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 07:19:40 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)

A strong education can literally change a young adults life.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: nickagneta on November 06, 2017, 07:23:06 PM
36th anniversary of Mike and Tommy broadcasting their first game together for the Celtics. TPs to Mike and Tommy for being the best basketball broadcasting duo ever.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eddie20 on November 06, 2017, 07:23:06 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)

A strong education can literally change a young adults life.

Which is why you should be a bigger fan of Kyrie and his Duke education.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 07:23:52 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)

A strong education can literally change a young adults life.

Which is why you should be a bigger fan of Kyrie and his Duke education.

+1
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: chilidawg on November 06, 2017, 07:26:46 PM
36th anniversary of Mike and Tommy broadcasting their first game together for the Celtics. TPs to Mike and Tommy for being the best basketball broadcasting duo ever.

Wow, I had no idea they'd been at it that long.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 07:28:46 PM
Let's go CELTICS!

Revenge Game for Horford
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 06, 2017, 07:33:54 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)
Do both! When the Celtics score, award more points. When the Celtics give up points, penalize your students!

A definite win win. ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Granath on November 06, 2017, 07:37:30 PM
Let's go CELTICS!

Revenge Game for Horford

Why does Horford need revenge? He's playing on the #1 team in the East making $30m a year while the Hawks are in the basement.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 07:38:51 PM
Let’s get some early buckets Jaylen!

Jaylen Buckets!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 07:41:15 PM
Let's go CELTICS!

Revenge Game for Horford

Why does Horford need revenge? He's playing on the #1 team in the East making $30m a year while the Hawks are in the basement.

Did you miss the sarcasm font?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 07:43:16 PM
Can the NBA get rid of that jump ball nonsense?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 07:45:56 PM
Air Horford!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 07:46:11 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)

A strong education can literally change a young adults life.

What if I told you that I put a "Celtics game" clause in my syllabus?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 07:47:01 PM
Geeze, these guys really are as bad as their record indicates, huh?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
Dedmon is a big dude.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Horford doing it all.  A true all-star whether he actually gets voted in or not.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 06, 2017, 07:48:17 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)

A strong education can literally change a young adults life.

What if I told you that I put a "Celtics game" clause in my syllabus?
For spring term classes I always assigned celtics and red sox reading during the break.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticD on November 06, 2017, 07:48:25 PM
Sounds like a g-league game out there.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 07:48:35 PM
Hawks commentary is clueless, lol. They should not let Baynes go with his midrange shot or they'll get lit up.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticsElite on November 06, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
Tatum is awesome
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: ChillyWilly on November 06, 2017, 07:49:20 PM
Be nice if this is another stress free game. My TV could take a break from all my screaming :D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 07:50:36 PM
Stuck watching the Hawks cast.  :-[
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 07:50:46 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)

A strong education can literally change a young adults life.

What if I told you that I put a "Celtics game" clause in my syllabus?
For spring term classes I always assigned celtics and red sox reading during the break.

Ha! For what class?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 06, 2017, 07:52:46 PM
Just watching the box score,but the game looks. To be pretty ugly so far.  :P
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 06, 2017, 07:53:19 PM
Hmmm, to grade exams or watch the C's stomp the Hawks? Hard choice!   ;)

A strong education can literally change a young adults life.

What if I told you that I put a "Celtics game" clause in my syllabus?
For spring term classes I always assigned celtics and red sox reading during the break.

Ha! For what class?
Any and all. Students always liked that.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 07:54:23 PM
Just watching the box score,but the game looks. To be pretty ugly so far.  :P

Yeah ugly offensively...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 07:54:26 PM
I'm assuming CBS is encouraging Baynes shooting 3s.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 07:58:04 PM
Man, Brown is a monster rebounder for his size/position. Just can't finish it after getting the offensive board  :P
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
Jaylen came to play as always!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticsElite on November 06, 2017, 07:58:48 PM
Browns handle! Looking like Kyrie
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 07:59:56 PM
Brown with his 3rd foul.  Stevens gambled and lost.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 08:00:40 PM
Terrible call.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
Looks like we're taking this team for granted just a bit due to their record. Not a smart gameplan after seeing how that worked out for the Cavs.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 08:02:17 PM
Looks like we're taking this team for granted just a bit due to their record. Not a smart gameplan after seeing how that worked out for the Cavs.

Young teams play down to their opponents. Hopefully we get our heads on straight.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 06, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
Lots of game left. Celtics got this one.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 08:04:37 PM
I don't like this current lineup. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:04:39 PM
Looks like we're taking this team for granted just a bit due to their record. Not a smart gameplan after seeing how that worked out for the Cavs.

2nd game of back to back and resting Morris. About what I expected.  I think we will win, because of CBS, but it will be ugly.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
I don't like this current lineup.

I say this when Nader is on the floor too.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: keevsnick on November 06, 2017, 08:05:34 PM
I'm assuming CBS is encouraging Baynes shooting 3s.

I really hope not
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:06:07 PM
Looks like we're taking this team for granted just a bit due to their record. Not a smart gameplan after seeing how that worked out for the Cavs.

2nd game of back to back and resting Morris. About what I expected.  I think we will win, because of CBS, but it will be ugly.

Brad is resting his starters for the 2nd half. The Hawks will run out of gas!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 08:06:22 PM
Theis LOVES to run!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:06:29 PM
Nice Theis!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:06:30 PM
I don't like this current lineup.

You don't like 5 rookie-scale contracts (including 3 rookies) on the floor at the same time?  :P

Yeah, not a fan either.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: trickybilly on November 06, 2017, 08:07:45 PM
This game sucks

I like this game
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
At least Larkin isn't in with them.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 08:08:05 PM
Unwatchable game so far.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 08:08:38 PM
Hawks getting some friendly whistles.

Not sure about the Smart + Rozier + Nader + Semi + Theis lineup. Unless you're trying to depress Smart's numbers by not giving him anyone to pass to (in order to make his next season's contract more affordable)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:09:11 PM
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!

ROZIER FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: ETNCeltics on November 06, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
Hawks getting some friendly whistles.

Not sure about the Smart + Rozier + Nader + Semi + Theis lineup. Unless you're trying to depress Smart's numbers by not giving him anyone to pass to (in order to make his next season's contract more affordable)

Yeah, not sure what Brad is smoking to put those 5 out there together. This isn't preseason.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 08:10:57 PM
That was an ugly, ugly 1st quarter.  We're fortunate to have a lead, fueled mostly by ATL's turnovers.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 08:10:58 PM
All bench lineup and all, we still lead after 1.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
Shooting 34% overall, including 30% from 3, yet somehow we're up 1 after 1. That's how ugly this game is.  :o
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
step up defense, allowing too many points so far!!!!

somebody step up and score
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:11:28 PM
Marcus has great clock recognition.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:12:16 PM
not alot of Hawkers at the game .   .....empty seats
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
Not sure I have the words to adequately describe that quarter.

Furthermore, I have no idea how they leading after 1st.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:13:24 PM
Hmm, it actually seems like Smart is getting a bit more favorable calls from the refs this year.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
The bench is going to get a lot of time tonight!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 06, 2017, 08:13:50 PM
Hard getting excited so far about this one. It appears our players feel the same. We need just one strong quarter to win this one or maybe not even.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:13:51 PM
not alot of Hawkers at the game .   .....empty seats

Dressed up as seats. They still think it's Halloween in Georgia.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:14:11 PM
Not sure I have the words to adequately describe that quarter.

Furthermore, I have no idea how they leading after 1st.

The vast hole of nothingness is trying to consume Boston.   
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:14:47 PM
not alot of Hawkers at the game .   .....empty seats

Dressed up as seats. They still think it's Halloween is Georgia.


Good eye !
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
That's a foul by Nader, to be fair.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:15:31 PM
Bazmore with the football block.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
That's a foul by Nader, to be fair.

I didn't see it like that.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:16:14 PM
Nader play n that early

dis respecting the Hawks
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
Bazmore with the football block.
Thought that was a bad call.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
I wish Baynes had that haircut in 2k18.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:17:06 PM
Hawks announcers are saying to just give Baynes that outside shot, I hope they do.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 08:17:23 PM
That's a foul by Nader, to be fair.

I didn't see it like that.

He charged towards Bazemore screen.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
Rozier trying to be fancy with the dribble and turns it over.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
That was unacceptable. ATL just wanting the ball more right now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 08:18:30 PM
not gonna lie, that play, ATL out hustled us, Brad won't be happy at the time out
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:18:42 PM
Rozier with looooose handle....
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on November 06, 2017, 08:18:49 PM
I can't believe how fast Schoeder is.  Wow
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: ETNCeltics on November 06, 2017, 08:18:55 PM
This might be the most offensively inept lineup I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:19:08 PM
I get more frustrated with Rozier than any other Celtic this year.

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 08:19:15 PM
This isn't fair and probably isn't true, but the fact Brad is even playing Nader may automatically make the other Celtics players not take the opponent seriously.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 08:19:19 PM
Gotta stagger Al and Kyrie's minutes so that at least one of them are on the floor at all times.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 08:20:25 PM
2nd half is our time. Too early to panic
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:20:37 PM
I get more frustrated with Rozier than any other Celtic this year.

Me too. He has so much talent but always try to do too much with the ball. He needs to learn to make the simple play.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:20:39 PM
Gotta stagger Al and Kyrie's minutes so that at least one of them are on the floor at all times.

I've been begging for this all season long, and even last year with Al and IT, too. This is especially true with Morris not playing, too.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Mike Pemulis on November 06, 2017, 08:20:51 PM
This team looks hungover.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
Tatum!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:23:16 PM
I just seriously cannot stand Rozier's game. He has flashes, but his overall complete lack of BBIQ I just cannot overcome.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:23:25 PM
Cs compete meter not that very high right now
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
I love me some Tatum!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:24:09 PM
Rozier playing selfish.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:24:15 PM
Tatum needs to take that three rather than just stepping one step in for the long two. He's a good enough shooter for that longer three.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:24:23 PM
I just seriously cannot stand Rozier's game. He has flashes, but his overall complete lack of BBIQ I just cannot overcome.

He's driving me crazy tonight!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 08:24:27 PM
Celtics looks tired right now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 08:24:40 PM
I just seriously cannot stand Rozier's game. He has flashes, but his overall complete lack of BBIQ I just cannot overcome.

Me too. Frustrating. He has improved this season but still wildly inconsistent.p
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 08:26:23 PM
Get Larkin out of there.  Doing nothing and our PnR defense is struggling since he gets picked off so easily.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:26:27 PM
lot of contact on that Tatum drive!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 08:26:38 PM
Hawks remind me of the 14-15 Celts. Not a great team but they play really hard.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: apc on November 06, 2017, 08:27:09 PM
Its ugly out there...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:27:16 PM
I just seriously cannot stand Rozier's game. He has flashes, but his overall complete lack of BBIQ I just cannot overcome.

He's driving me crazy tonight!

He's 1st on my trade list.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:28:22 PM
Hawks remind me of the 14-15 Celts. Not a great team but they play really hard.

Ugh, loved the heart and underdog mentality of that team, but I'm so glad we actually have some serious talent and size now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:28:41 PM
not alot of Hawkers at the game .   .....empty seats

i had somebody here try to tell me the reason miami arena was empty was because of a storm that day.


WRONG

i saw that arena the other night.....still empty. some of the worst fans in the NBA in miami
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:29:05 PM
Why exactly is Larkin still in there, and why does he think he has a Curry-level pull-up game?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
Irving. What a shot!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:29:12 PM
Bird still on the bench?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 08:29:26 PM
I genuinely think Larkin made this team out of pity.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Celtics looks tired right now.

no excuses. somebody has to step up off our DEEP BENCH!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
Celtics looks tired right now.

no excuses. somebody has to step up off our DEEP BENCH!

Down 2 with a whole half to go...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
I just seriously cannot stand Rozier's game. He has flashes, but his overall complete lack of BBIQ I just cannot overcome.

He's driving me crazy tonight!

He's 1st on my trade list.

I actually think he brings a lot to the table with his hustle. Good player to pair with Smart off the bench. However he has a knack for playing out of control, and at times needs to make better decisions. This isn’t one of his better games so far.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 08:31:33 PM
I genuinely think Larkin made this team out of pity.

He's not a bad 3rd or 4th pg.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 08:31:47 PM
Credit to the Hawks. Jaylen's early 3 fouls have really taken him out of the game. We need to hit some shots and stop letting Shrooder abuse us in the high pick and roll...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mainevent on November 06, 2017, 08:31:54 PM
Larkin n Nader should never get off the bench...ever!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
Rozier playing selfish.

turrible
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
Larkin n Nader should never get off the bench...ever!

Maybe a little Bird?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:33:25 PM
Celtics looks tired right now.

me too ...very sluggish
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
Rozier playing selfish.

turrible

Dr Rozier and Mr. Bounch the ball off my foot!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:34:35 PM
Lol they're not even going to look at that?

Like I have no idea what their criteria for a flagrant foul is anymore. I mean, Melo got ejected last night for a similar type of play. So inconsistent.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:34:43 PM
Is Horford OK?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
BROWN FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:35:29 PM
Kyrie just did him dirty!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:35:43 PM
BROWN FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

SweeeeeeeeeeeeeT!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 08:35:59 PM
This is the worst our defense has looked all season.  This crummy Hawks team is shooting 58%.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 08:36:01 PM
Kyrie is having a half.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:36:21 PM
Celtics looks tired right now.

me too ...very sluggish

NO EXCUSES  MAN UP
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 08:36:29 PM
Kyrie is waking up, but the defense is sleeping.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:36:40 PM
BROWN FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

SweeeeeeeeeeeeeT!

lol
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 06, 2017, 08:37:08 PM
Hard to imagine we would give up over 100 to Hawks but we are heading there. Kyrie looking smooth like silk!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 08:37:29 PM
This is the worst our defense has looked all season.  This crummy Hawks team is shooting 58%.

They’re also making a lot of shots. It won’t last.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:37:34 PM
How is that a jump ball???
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:37:58 PM
tatum with the block!!!!!!!!!!!!  can score rebound and block shots!

ROTY
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: apc on November 06, 2017, 08:38:20 PM
Better second half guaranteed
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:38:44 PM
How is that a jump ball???

????
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:39:24 PM
rozier for 3
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:39:34 PM
Can we get rid of the jump ball yet?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: blink on November 06, 2017, 08:39:46 PM
So I don't have a stream for this game, and just got home.  Are we playing down to the hawks, or are they playing well?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 08:39:49 PM
Jaylen's 3 early fouls are huge.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 08:39:54 PM
I honestly never thought Schroeder would be this good when he was drafted
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:39:55 PM
ya;ll lay off terry for now!  ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:40:28 PM
The fact the Cs go into halftime tied is like a small victory. They have not played well tonight.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:40:30 PM
I honestly never thought Schroeder would be this good when he was drafted

i hate him. drives me nuts the way he kills us at times.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:41:50 PM
The fact the Cs go into halftime tied is like a small victory. They have not played well tonight.

get bacl to celts defense next half and move the ball on offense. go to the hoop and hit open looks from outside.

lets do this!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: blink on November 06, 2017, 08:42:55 PM
The fact the Cs go into halftime tied is like a small victory. They have not played well tonight.

ooo that doesn't sound good.  2nd night of a back to back can be trouble....
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:43:21 PM
How is that a jump ball???

????

it was not , it was a block , not even close .
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:43:45 PM
The fact the Cs go into halftime tied is like a small victory. They have not played well tonight.

ooo that doesn't sound good.  2nd night of a back to back can be trouble....

we don't need any style points tonight. get the W and get the helll outta atlanta.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:44:58 PM
Celtics trying to extend Atlanta s winning streak  ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:46:01 PM
How is that a jump ball???

????

it was not , it was a block , not even close .

Not even a little close. Gave the hawks an extra possession.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: blink on November 06, 2017, 08:46:57 PM
The fact the Cs go into halftime tied is like a small victory. They have not played well tonight.

ooo that doesn't sound good.  2nd night of a back to back can be trouble....

we don't need any style points tonight. get the W and get the helll outta atlanta.

sounds like a plan that we can all get behind.  do whats required to get the win and then go home and clobber the lakers on wed.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on November 06, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Hawks playing like the Cleveland game never ended.  I however expect it completely different 2nd half. And less of Larkin.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:47:12 PM
How is that a jump ball???

????

it was not , it was a block , not even close .

Not even a little close. Gave the hawks an extra possession.

yup. complete and utter baloney
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 08:47:27 PM
How is that a jump ball???

????

it was not , it was a block , not even close .

Not even a little close. Gave the hawks an extra possession.

pretty much 90 % of the 50-50 stuff, ref calls.   and all the rest of grey area has been on the Hawks side.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mctyson on November 06, 2017, 08:47:35 PM
So I don't have a stream for this game, and just got home.  Are we playing down to the hawks, or are they playing well?

Hawks are shooting well.  Cs look tired on defense, a lot of foul trouble early.  Offensively too much 1-on-1 ball.

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: blink on November 06, 2017, 08:48:16 PM
So I don't have a stream for this game, and just got home.  Are we playing down to the hawks, or are they playing well?

Hawks are shooting well.  Cs look tired on defense, a lot of foul trouble early.  Offensively too much 1-on-1 ball.

thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 08:50:07 PM
That may have been the most versatile scoring half of basketball of Dewayne Dedmon's life.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:50:21 PM
GREEN RUNS DEEP
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:54:00 PM
Have the Celtics had a big deficient in any of games this year except for that 1st game?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
Have the Celtics had a big deficient in any of games this year except for that 1st game?

down 18 at OKC
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 08:57:06 PM
Brad is not happy.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:57:13 PM
CBS NOT HAPPY

CHEW EM OUT BRAD
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 08:57:53 PM
Babbit and Dedmon having like career games tonight.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 08:57:59 PM
Have the Celtics had a big deficient in any of games this year except for that 1st game?

down 18 at OKC

Oh, yeah! How could I forget that? Best game of the year!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 08:58:29 PM
Have the Celtics had a big deficient in any of games this year except for that 1st game?

down 18 at OKC

Oh, yeah! How could I forget that? Best game of the year!

:)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: blink on November 06, 2017, 09:00:27 PM
Is Morris out for today's game?  I just noticed he isn't in the box score?
I know probably mentioned already somewhere in here
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:01:03 PM
kyriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:01:12 PM
Oh man, did Al just Eurostep Babbit??
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:01:35 PM
BIG AL

COAST TO COAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
Is Morris out for today's game?  I just noticed he isn't in the box score?
I know probably mentioned already somewhere in here

Resting...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
Impressed by Schroeder. Only 24 years old too.

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
And this is why you don't toy around with teams and let someone get hot.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
somebody hack snroeder
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:04:15 PM
BROWN
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
somebody break out the handcuffs on SHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODER please
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: blink on November 06, 2017, 09:04:53 PM
Is Morris out for today's game?  I just noticed he isn't in the box score?
I know probably mentioned already somewhere in here

Resting...

hmm...so no injury just rest?  That is odd after just a couple games back isn't it?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:05:12 PM
I like the decision by Brad to sub Smart in for Baynes at the 9 min mark.  Still need to get stops though.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:05:15 PM
Prince is keeping us in the game!@
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
Cant stop a nosebleed right now. Hawks getting everything they want on offense.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 09:06:21 PM
Hawks are  8-17 from 3 ugh
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
cant oversome this 4 point deficit

DEFENSE WAKE UP
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:07:09 PM
Some pass by Kyrie wow
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:07:17 PM
oh marcus my favorite


NO! NO NO YES! player
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
Quite a catch and shot by Smart
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
These inconsistent continuation calls are also driving me crazy this season.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:08:07 PM
Great ball movement!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:08:11 PM
What a sequence with some sick ball movement!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:08:18 PM
Great movement.   Vet-Rook is smooth as silk!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:08:22 PM
Tatum is silky smooth.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Looked and 1 to me
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eja117 on November 06, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Quite a catch and shot by Smart
I heard every time he does that he has a reaction like Alex in Clockwork Orange and then he doesn't do it again for a long time
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Good movement. Nice 3 by Tatum!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
tatum for threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 8)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:09:38 PM
tatum for threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 8)

Sweet stroke!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 06, 2017, 09:09:41 PM
Beautiful!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticD on November 06, 2017, 09:09:42 PM
That was an amazing sequence, but that shot probably could've been taken waaay before Tatum
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 09:09:47 PM
More of that. This game has been too close for comfort.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:09:52 PM
tatum for threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 8)

seems like he never misses these days

soul of a 10 year vet
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 09:10:28 PM
Great ball movement!


It's fun to watch. It4 really didn't like to do it.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
this is going to be one of those grind out games

Schroeder is super annoying
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:11:33 PM
BIG ALLLLL!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:11:38 PM
this is going to be one of those grind out games

Schroeder is super annoying

Bizarro Rondo!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Great ball movement!


It's fun to watch. It4 really didn't like to do it.

If he sees this, he may never talk to you again!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:13:02 PM
puhahahaha you see Bud with his arms raised like ****
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
Tatum $$$
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
Kyrie to Tatum!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
Tatum is so MONEY! But how about that set up by Kyrie?!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:14:39 PM
Tatum and Brown are so good from the corner 3.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:14:43 PM
Al is a champion
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:15:05 PM
this is going to be one of those grind out games

Schroeder is super annoying

It is annoying.  It's very herky jerky.  Everything is rushed, but it's mostly working tonight.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
2nd half is really our mojo this season.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
Flop
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:16:10 PM
What a weak call.  Weak.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:16:18 PM
If they call this a flagrant I may be done...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:16:19 PM
Wooooowwww, what a soft league this has become... These are grown arse men out there...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:16:56 PM
MArcus you cheapie hehe

that was a foul
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:17:32 PM
If they call this a flagrant I may be done...

plus Schroeder is made out of glass
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:17:39 PM
Just a case of the officials reacting to the results of a play and not the play itself.  That's just basketball, not an offensive foul.  Weak.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 09:17:53 PM
That dude made of glass?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:17:55 PM
Rozier just pulled a Marcus Smart level flop on Marcus Smart.  ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
Is Schroeder headed to the hospital? FLOP!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:19:07 PM
Guys, we're the best record in the league on an 8 game winning streak, yet we're playing with four rookies and a four year man out there right now. Crazy stuff.

EDIT: My bad, forgot about Rozier. Still, three rookies and two other rookie level contracts.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:19:11 PM
Tatum playing like a ten year veteran.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
Guys, we're the best record in the league on an 8 game winning streak, yet we're playing with four rookies and a four year man out there right now. Crazy stuff.

Yes -- defies conventional wisdom.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:20:26 PM
Smart with 3 dummy mistakes in a row
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:20:38 PM
Pierce 2.0
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:20:56 PM
Guys, we're the best record in the league on an 8 game winning streak, yet we're playing with four rookies and a four year man out there right now. Crazy stuff.

EDIT: My bad, forgot about Rozier. Still, three rookies and two other rookie level contracts.

Yeah but Tatum plays like he’s 26 so that helps  :D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:21:43 PM
Tatum 15 pts without breaking a sweat? 

someone pinch me
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hpantazo on November 06, 2017, 09:21:52 PM
Pierce 2.0

He longer than Pierce, and a smarter and more mature player at his age than Pierce was at that age.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:22:22 PM
That was a much better quarter than the first 2.

Now, finish them! First couple of mins in the 4th will be key. Let's hope the bench unit can create some separation.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:23:21 PM
Pierce 2.0

He longer than Pierce, and a smarter and more mature player at his age than Pierce was at that age.

It's a thing of beauty to watch.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
Tatum = PG13

but PG13 at times disappears/lazy

Tatum = PG13 but with Tayshuan Prince intangibles
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:23:46 PM
Much better 3rd quarter from the C's.  Only gave up 21 points.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Sophomore on November 06, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
Tatum = PG13

but PG13 at times disappears/lazy

Tatum = PG13 but with Tayshuan Prince intangibles

Like that comp!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:24:59 PM
Semi!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
Cs love that corner 3.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
Shimmy Semi!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:26:09 PM
Now it's two Rooks, 2 2nd year guys and Marcus.   Long stretch for guys with minimal NBA experience.  Pretty amazing and exciting.  Love that Brad trusts these guys.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:27:04 PM
Daniel Theis.  Dang!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:27:08 PM
Atta boy Theis.  That's a man's rebound
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:27:21 PM
A lot of the concerns about Tatum were that he was an iso player in college with a low shooting percentage and an unwilling passer.  Those concerns have been destroyed.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:27:23 PM
Theis is such a find
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
THEIS COLD
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Where's the foul?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
$emi
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:29:34 PM
semi for 3
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:30:11 PM
CLOSE THIS OUT LIKE A CHAMPIOBSHIP TEAM CELTS!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:30:58 PM
Nice Theis.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:31:00 PM
Second time Jaylen has stopped on a play -- once on a break with KI and just now on D.  I'd like to know what that's about.

Nice drive Jaylen!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Sophomore on November 06, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Keep the hawks under 100!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:31:17 PM
semi with these key 3s

Crowder reincarnated
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:32:09 PM
Get Rozier out of there.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:32:09 PM
Brown with his best Lebron bully ball imperssion
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:32:23 PM
C'mon Defense.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:32:36 PM
Defense getting sloppy
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
Brown with his best Lebron bully ball imperssion

I love when he does that.  We're going to see a lot more of that in coming years.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: TomHeinsohn on November 06, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
Shout out to Danny, in years past we've had hapless end of the bench bigs in the vein of Ryan Hollins, Chris Johnson, Troy Murphy, et al who make you want to vomit, but this year we have Theis who is just an absolute pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
Keep the hawks under 100!!
I would say that is a tall task tonight. Hawks shooting well.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Sophomore on November 06, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
semi with these key 3s

Crowder reincarnated

Crowder used to miss those above-the-break threes in the 4th. Those always looked like tired-legs don’t-wanna-work-for-a-shot 3s.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:33:33 PM
need big Al back

Theis needs to eat some more Burgers
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
Rozier never passes out of pick and rolls. Christ.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 09:34:02 PM
Keep the hawks under 100!!
I would say that is a tall task tonight. Hawks shooting well.

Is it me just or I'd rather keep them under 100 more than the W?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticSooner on November 06, 2017, 09:34:45 PM
Their bench plays better defense than their starters do.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:34:51 PM
need big Al back

Theis needs to eat some more Burgers

We're in Boston.  Introduce him to steak tips... or Strega.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Sophomore on November 06, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
Was really hoping we’d get Dedmon in the offseason...  :-\
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:35:01 PM
Keep the hawks under 100!!
I would say that is a tall task tonight. Hawks shooting well.

Is it me just or I'd rather keep them under 100 more than the W?

what........the............
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
Rozier never passes out of pick and rolls. Christ.

Low bb iq
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
Rozier never passes out of pick and rolls. Christ.

he lacks confidence in his passing

he also never passes on the fast break..... 1 on 4.... np lol
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
Keep the hawks under 100!!
I would say that is a tall task tonight. Hawks shooting well.

Is it me just or I'd rather keep them under 100 more than the W?
What?? Gimme the W. 100 pts be [dang]ed
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Was really hoping we’d get Dedmon in the offseason...  :-\

I think Celts tried
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:36:29 PM
Keep the hawks under 100!!
I would say that is a tall task tonight. Hawks shooting well.

Is it me just or I'd rather keep them under 100 more than the W?
What?? Gimme the W. 100 pts be [dang]ed

good boy!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tstorey_97 on November 06, 2017, 09:36:52 PM
Hawks are playing good...hitting some threes...

They must be crushed now...under the weight of a Semi...............
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:37:44 PM
Letting them right back in this. Come on, guys, let's put this away.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:38:00 PM
Letting them right back in this. Come on, guys, let's put this away.

And they take the lead...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
need tatum back

grind out game
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
Total collapse in the last few mins
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
Money Irving
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:38:41 PM
3 good looks in a row and 3 misses.

Rozier got completely lost on that last defensive possession, put everyone else in a bad spot.  Get him off the floor and put Smart in.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
AL can't buy a 3 tonight
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:39:05 PM
Like the hard foul by Semi there. Don't even allow him to get it up there.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:39:11 PM
Man... Please don't lose to Atlanta.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 09:39:24 PM
Get Rozier off the floor please!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:39:45 PM
Games like this are when Irving needs to take over and prove he's a superstar.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
Games like this are when Irving needs to take kver and prive he's a superstar.

He's already carrying bunch of offensive load. Defense need to step up.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:40:37 PM
Horford makes like 8 threes in a row and can't buy a three now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
Horford can't buy a 3 tonight
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticSooner on November 06, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
Can't buy a bucket.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:41:16 PM
Just missing great looks.

Finally got something going to the basket.  Good play by Tatum.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:41:38 PM
Tatum really has to start letting those threes rain. He's shooting something over 50% from beyond the arc.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:42:41 PM
okay order needs to be restored.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:43:58 PM
deadmon very mobile/athletic...  more above the rim than AL

AL really crappy game tonight.... this is the difference

Keep feeding Tatum
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on November 06, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
Interesting lineups Stevens is throwing out.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:44:41 PM
Tatum really has to start letting those threes rain. He's shooting something over 50% from beyond the arc.

its ok. he didn't mess up te play
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:45:21 PM
Stupid Smart
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:45:34 PM
I guess that was another bone head play by Smart.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:45:38 PM
Ugh, nice steal, Smart, but you can't make those mistakes. Just pull it back out!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
GOOOO CELTICS!

<3 KYRIE <3
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
if Cs lose this game it will be on Smart.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:46:34 PM
GET SMART OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is hurt
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:47:11 PM
Kyrie is like Rondo on steroids with a shot.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:47:32 PM
KYRIE FREAKING IRVING!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:47:34 PM
Kyrie!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:47:39 PM
Not sure why Rozier is in there instead of Brown.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:48:03 PM
Money Irving...I'm pushing this nickname.    ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:48:11 PM
Kyrie
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:48:32 PM
Tatum is ice cold!!!!’
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:48:34 PM
JAYSON MOTHERFREAKING TATUM!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 09:48:37 PM
Tatum! Clutch!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:48:43 PM
Tatum with a big boy crunch time 3
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:48:44 PM
JAY TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Atzar on November 06, 2017, 09:48:52 PM
This rookie though!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:48:55 PM
Clutch like Pierce
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:48:58 PM
I love Tatum!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
Tatum is ice cold!!!!’

Woops
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
jayson automatic
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:49:27 PM
TATUM

GREEN AND WHITE ASSASSIN!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tstorey_97 on November 06, 2017, 09:49:28 PM
Au revoir....Hawks!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:49:37 PM
This is what actual talent does for you. We wouldn't win this game last year playing like this.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:49:38 PM
Stunning poise by the veteran rookie.   Owning the defensive boards, hitting clutch FTs, and just casually sticking the 3.   Wow!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticSooner on November 06, 2017, 09:49:40 PM
Big shot Jayson!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:49:40 PM
I love Tatum!

ME TOO!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Spilling Green Dye on November 06, 2017, 09:49:43 PM
Yes!!  Nice job Tatum.  Love it that he not only starts but is also in there at the clutch.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 09:49:44 PM
JAYSON TATUM!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 09:49:44 PM
Oh my Tatum!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
he doesn't miss!

I been yelling keep feeding our future
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
Money Irving...I'm pushing this nickname.    ;D

Money is taken JAYTEE MONEY .............Maybe we can give Kyrie Mo Money.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 09:49:52 PM
TATYEBOI TOO HOT
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 09:49:53 PM
Will Tatum have an inefficient game this season?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 09:49:53 PM
Stud!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 09:50:04 PM
Tatum is a baaaad man
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 09:50:08 PM
I can’t say that I support finishing the game with Smart and Rozier on the floor, but it’s working out okay.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 06, 2017, 09:50:10 PM
I don't know how many times Marcus Smart has made bad plays tonight, but then he goes and makes a pass like that AND TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF!

Kinda ...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 06, 2017, 09:50:23 PM
Tatum is so sick! Mr. Freeze with ice in veins playing like a Vet! Thank you Danny
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: DKClassic on November 06, 2017, 09:50:27 PM
there we go rook
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Great choice DA!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:50:40 PM
beautiful pass by Marcus

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:50:49 PM
That was not a foul
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:50:52 PM
Dumb, dumb, dumb foul by Brown right there.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:51:04 PM
Great choice DA!

So he is forgiven now by passing on Fultz??
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticsElite on November 06, 2017, 09:51:14 PM
Tatum seals the deal with that clutch pierce shot
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
Clutch!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:52:12 PM
Kyrie is a baaaaaadddddd man!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
Marcus didn't do nothing
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:52:18 PM
Great win!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:52:29 PM
Kyrie is so clutch
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:52:38 PM
GO BOSTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NINE IN A ROW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 06, 2017, 09:52:39 PM
Kyrie.  Other that ill-advised 30-footer, Kyrie brilliant down the stretch.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
I can’t say that I support finishing the game with Smart and Rozier on the floor, but it’s working out okay.

Yeah I don't like it but it worked.

Imagine if we had Hayward instead of either.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
KYRIE IS MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


BYE BYE HAWKS!

HEY HEY

HO HO

WE JUST WON

9 in a row
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 09:52:56 PM
Man, Kyrie really is nasty....
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:53:01 PM
Great choice DA!

So he is forgiven now by passing on Fultz??

If you're asking me, nothing to forgive.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:53:05 PM
Kyrie getting MVP chants.... in Atlanta!!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 09:53:18 PM
Marcus didn't do nothing

LOL
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 06, 2017, 09:53:27 PM
Kyrie is lethal. Good move Danny.

Tatum is already a good NBA player. Another good move Danny.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tstorey_97 on November 06, 2017, 09:53:28 PM
Drive home safely, folks!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eja117 on November 06, 2017, 09:53:29 PM
That's the most KGish thing I've ever seen Horford do
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:53:34 PM
Kyrie!!!!

game!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 09:53:37 PM
It's too easy for Kyrie
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 09:53:52 PM
Lol, those hawks trying to late game foul Kyrie.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
Kyrie getting MVP chants.... in Atlanta!!

ATL fans left already, Boston fans probably lol
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
Kyrie is lethal. Good move Danny.

Tatum is already a good NBA player. Another good move Danny.

IN DA WE TRUST
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:54:04 PM
Thank you C's.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mr. dee on November 06, 2017, 09:54:10 PM
Fans really chanting MVP for Kyrie. LOL
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:54:11 PM
I actually don't think that's a goaltend. The ball movement changed before hitting the backboard.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 09:54:12 PM
pity goaltend?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eja117 on November 06, 2017, 09:54:21 PM
Great choice DA!

So he is forgiven now by passing on Fultz??
Or trading for Kyrie?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: blink on November 06, 2017, 09:54:23 PM
great push at the end to seal the Win....
good job C's!
9 in a ROW
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:54:46 PM
KYRIE is Rondo on steroids with a shot.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Chief on November 06, 2017, 09:55:06 PM
KYRIE IS MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


BYE BYE HAWKS!

HEY HEY

HO HO

WE JUST WON

9 in a row

Tp
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Not a goal tend.  Oh well. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
KYRIE and TATUM= HITMEN 8) 8)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 09:55:24 PM
can we give Horford a free ast so he gets his trip dubs
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 09:55:29 PM
I cannot believe how good Tatum has been. This is his third 20 point game this season.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 06, 2017, 09:55:33 PM
No rest for the weary.  5th game in 7 nights against the Fakers on Wed.  Now that is a game we cannot afford to lose.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 06, 2017, 09:55:34 PM
Kyrie still not in prime quite yet! 😁
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:55:36 PM
nice grind out win
Hawks have a good nucleus....they can benefit from tanking. Need a franchise player
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:55:39 PM
After this offseason.. GMs are going back to not taking Danny Ainge's calls.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 09:55:56 PM
Hawks shot 50% from three yet we still won. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: TomHeinsohn on November 06, 2017, 09:56:00 PM
IT was incapable of closing games
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:56:15 PM
Good Game!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 09:56:28 PM
nice grind out win
Hawks have a good nucleus....they can benefit from tanking. Need a franchise player

I agree, they seem to be doing well with Shroeder running the show, they can draft another good big man
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 06, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:56:38 PM
Kyrie still not in prime quite yet! 😁

well... he is

25-26 prime age sir
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: esel1000 on November 06, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Good Game!

Played like crap, get the win. Good stuff
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eja117 on November 06, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
Hawks shot 50% from three yet we still won. I'll take it.
Offense wins in the NBA and in general
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 09:56:57 PM
IT was incapable of closing games

not true, IT has bailed the Celtics a bunch of times last season
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 09:57:02 PM
What I love about this run is that we're getting a TON of love from people all over the league, even from reporters of teams that we're supposed to be competing against.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
every game Cs win in this streak sets a new record.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
Ugly win but I'll take it!

9 in a row!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: GratefulCs on November 06, 2017, 09:58:01 PM
great poise toward the end
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 09:58:03 PM
Kyrie still not in prime quite yet! 😁

KYRIES jersey will hang from the rafters.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tstorey_97 on November 06, 2017, 09:58:04 PM
Just think...we're only paying this guy $20M? Value.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:58:09 PM
bud poor sportsmanship....no handshake for brad
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: positivitize on November 06, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
Good game.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:58:27 PM
That was a fun and stressful game.  I'll take it.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 06, 2017, 09:58:48 PM
TP’s to all...9 in a row and Lakers on Wed !!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 09:59:00 PM
Ugly win but I'll take it!

9 in a row!

yes!

and they beat the Cavs recently.... beautiful!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 09:59:08 PM
Horford's line is sick: 15points 10 rebounds 9 assists and a block.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: azzenfrost on November 06, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
Was worried for a bit but a win is a win.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hpantazo on November 06, 2017, 09:59:18 PM
bud poor sportsmanship....no handshake for brad

really? thats pretty unusual for the NBA
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 09:59:24 PM
The Hawks aren't good, but they have such a fast paced offense that they are going to frustrate teams when they get hot.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 09:59:26 PM
who says Kyrie is not a superstar?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Mike Pemulis on November 06, 2017, 09:59:43 PM
Our next 8 games are all vs inferior opponents (aside from OKC and TOR) and the 9th is vs. Golden State. Anyone have the Spaldings to predict a 13 game win streak?

Bueller?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 10:00:13 PM
who says Kyrie is not a superstar?

Not me...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 10:00:40 PM
IT was incapable of closing games

not true, IT has bailed the Celtics a bunch of times last season

I’m assuming it was sarcasm?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: PAOBoston on November 06, 2017, 10:00:57 PM
Horford's line is sick: 15points 10 rebounds 9 assists and a block.
#averageAl
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:01:04 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
Now back for a very winnable three game homestand, but let's make it ten in a row against the Fakers on Wednesday night!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Csfan1984 on November 06, 2017, 10:02:16 PM
A win is a win. Think Hawks are going end up with a better year than their early record suggest.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 06, 2017, 10:02:16 PM
Today in 1998 Bobby Boucher showed up at halftime and the mud dogs won the bourbon bowl
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Dino Pitino on November 06, 2017, 10:02:32 PM
Our next 8 games are all vs inferior opponents (aside from OKC and TOR) and the 9th is vs. Golden State. Anyone have the Spaldings to predict a 13 game win streak?

Bueller?

I love your username. I'll predict a 13 game win streak, why not.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 10:02:41 PM
Kyrie and Tatum = clutch DNA

Did Tatum even break a sweat? Quietest but clutch 21 pt night
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 10:03:00 PM
Our next 8 games are all vs inferior opponents (aside from OKC and TOR) and the 9th is vs. Golden State. Anyone have the Spaldings to predict a 13 game win streak?

Bueller?

I actually said just this in the game thread last night lol I think we do it. We'll have to play well against Charlotte on Friday and Toronto on Sunday, but I think there's a good chance we take a 13 game winning streak into the big game against GS.

It certainly will help that Morris should be back full-time now, too.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tstorey_97 on November 06, 2017, 10:03:49 PM
Semi gets the "hit wildlife with a truck" award for two key trees in 4th.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: liam on November 06, 2017, 10:04:16 PM
Kyrie and Tatum = clutch DNA

Did Tatum even break a sweat? Quietest but clutch 21 pt night

Also 8 rebounds, two blocks and a steal!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 10:05:11 PM
Semi gets the "hit wildlife with a truck" award for two key trees in 4th.

he has had 4 games in a row where he has done this

solid 2nd round pick.....Malcom Brogdon like solid
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 10:05:53 PM
Kyrie and Tatum = clutch DNA

Did Tatum even break a sweat? Quietest but clutch 21 pt night

Also 8 rebounds, two blocks and a steal!

complete players. ASSASSINS
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
"This game is so beautiful when you play it right."  Irving, a minute ago.  That's why he left Cleveland to Boston.  He appreciates team basketball over iso.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:07:37 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

fools

kyrie is $$$$$$$$$$ and he can play D. better than It it is obvious and we said as much but nobody wanted to believe. too caught up in emotion instead of rationality

Exactly, tp
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 10:08:01 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Kuberski33 on November 06, 2017, 10:09:32 PM
Classic trap game - but they still got it done.  This team is hungry the same way the 08 team was.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 06, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
LETS NEVER MOVE ON, AND ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IT4 WHENEVER KYRIE HAS A GOOD GAME!!

(Takes a swig of motor oil)

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Vox_Populi on November 06, 2017, 10:11:38 PM
I can't believe Ojeleye is already this useful honestly. It seems like every three he makes is incredibly timely. Teams will have to stop leaving him open.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: footey on November 06, 2017, 10:11:53 PM
Good win but disappointed in lack of defensive intensity. Felt Once Briwn got 2nd early foul his defense really slipped, probably trying to avoid another early foul.

Also some of the guys refuse to swing the ball around much, and we get stuck too much in 2 man ball. Like Baynes but he is often guilty of this shortcoming.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 06, 2017, 10:13:35 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

And we all know that 30 point games are the best metric to compare players by.

Kyrie has clearly established himself as the better passer of the two, he it is already clear it is much tougher to trap Kyrie, because he can pass out instead of have to jump and get a risky pass off.

He is also a significantly better defender for us.

I absolutely love IT, but seeing Kyrie run the show makes it clear he is by far a better fit.

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Let it go dude.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eddie20 on November 06, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 06, 2017, 10:15:01 PM
Good win but disappointed in lack of defensive intensity. Felt Once Briwn got 2nd early foul his defense really slipped, probably trying to avoid another early foul.

Also some of the guys refuse to swing the ball around much, and we get stuck too much in 2 man ball. Like Baynes but he is often guilty of this shortcoming.

Gorman said this against OKC in not so direct terms: Brown isn’t the same player on the road as he is at home. Hopefully he can grow throughout this season in that regard.

He also needs to make his layups!! He did better today in that category.

I think a lot of today’s struggle was it being the last game of a road trip coupled with ATL’s extremely hot 4th quarter shooting. If they make 2 less 3-pt shots it is a totally different game.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:15:10 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

We got a 25 year old star.  IT hasn't even played this year and may never be the same player and that was known to Ainge before the trade.  Maybe the Brooklyn pick can overall sway the trade, but we didn't lose the trade and probably won it by a lot because, again, we got a 25 year old star. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: mainevent on November 06, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Lol...with all the Kyrie praise I KNEW it would just be a matter of time b4 you'd come spewing how great IT was and talking down Kyrie.  Get over it man, IT is gone! Anyone with brains would start a team with KI over IT at PG - all day, everyday!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Kuberski33 on November 06, 2017, 10:16:11 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.
I do believe that Kyrie makes the players around him better - in a way that IT does not. Already we're seeing an improved Horford.  Maybe part of it is by necessity, but he and Kyrie combine like they've been playing together for multiple seasons and yet we're just 11 games in.  We've also yet to see too how the 'Brad Stevens' effect impacts both players over the long haul.

I'll be surprised if Kyrie doesn't wind up being one of the top 5 players in the league.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 10:17:01 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:18:37 PM
I can't believe Ojeleye is already this useful honestly. It seems like every three he makes is incredibly timely. Teams will have to stop leaving him open.

I don't think we are contending with GS this year, but by even next year with Brown and Tatum's development, we might and Ojeleye's development and contributions will be key as well.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eddie20 on November 06, 2017, 10:19:11 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

Wait, you don't think Irving is a better defender and passer than Isaiah? Seriously?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: celticsclay on November 06, 2017, 10:19:40 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 06, 2017, 10:19:56 PM
The Celtics success this year is IN SPITE of Kyrie. We are really just motivated by the memory of IT last year.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:20:18 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Lol...with all the Kyrie praise I KNEW it would just be a matter of time b4 you'd come spewing how great IT was and talking down Kyrie.  Get over it man, IT is gone! Anyone with brains would start a team with KI over IT at PG - all day, everyday!

Yup, tp.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Kuberski33 on November 06, 2017, 10:20:31 PM
Good win but disappointed in lack of defensive intensity. Felt Once Briwn got 2nd early foul his defense really slipped, probably trying to avoid another early foul.

Also some of the guys refuse to swing the ball around much, and we get stuck too much in 2 man ball. Like Baynes but he is often guilty of this shortcoming.
Over the course of an 82 game season you're going to get your share of clunkers.  It's impossible for any team to give max effort every night.  Just doesn't happen in any sport.  One sign of a great team is when they still win even when they don't play well.  Hawks aren't good but they're well coached, they hustled and shot the ball real well.  They'd have been a tough opponent for most NBA teams tonight on the 2nd night of a back to back on the road.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:21:08 PM
The Celtics success this year is IN SPITE of Kyrie. We are really just motivated by the memory of IT last year.

And Crowder of course, lol.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 06, 2017, 10:21:13 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

Props for engaging an obstinate “Nope.” We need politicians like you
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 10:22:16 PM
Roy H....IT4 is gone

Embrace Kyrie

New fireballa in town!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 10:22:56 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

 ::) I'll just leave it out here.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Jiri Welsch on November 06, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
The Celtics success this year is IN SPITE of Kyrie. We are really just motivated by the memory of IT last year.

And Crowder of course, lol.

In all honesty, it seems our team defense is much more effective with the the extra two inches at SG and the extra 5 inches at PG. Individual talent doesn’t necessarily translate to more efficiency as a team!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eddie20 on November 06, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Roy H....IT4 is gone

Embrace Kyrie

New fireballa in town!

And an upgraded model at that.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Rosco917 on November 06, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?



I don't understand how this debate continues, add in Irving's MUCH better defense, and passing and it's no contest. Defense is an important factor in any sport.

Some just can't tolerate being proven wrong.

All I know is we have a team that has the best record in the NBA all while staring two 20-year-olds.

The potential of this team is getting scary.
 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 10:23:39 PM
Classic trap game - but they still got it done.  This team is hungry the same way the 08 team was.

a game like this back to back on the road you just get a W and get outta athere. we did that. no style points needed tonight. a win is a win. this is pro ball.  now we can prep and rest for lakers wednesday. that should be a doozie.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 10:24:23 PM
The Celtics success this year is IN SPITE of Kyrie. We are really just motivated by the memory of IT last year.

And Crowder of course, lol.

wait........you did not realize semi is jae crowder wearing a semi mask and jersey?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 06, 2017, 10:24:52 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

 ::) I'll just leave it out here.

Maybe one more time.

Really hard for me to believe someone thinks IT is a better defender or passer than Kyrie.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: celticsclay on November 06, 2017, 10:25:01 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

Props for engaging an obstinate “Nope.” We need politicians like you

I wasn't sure if Roy was saying "nope" because of the passing. If he doesn't believe irvings defense has been better I would like his explanation. He is a smart guy
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:25:09 PM
On CSN right now, why is Horford so much better this year? 

My take...Irving.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
Well I for one am glade we have Kyrie Irving on this team and i thank him for his part in this win. 

Go Kyrie ...Go Celtics !





Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 10:26:16 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?



I don't understand how this debate continues, add in Irving's MUCH better defense, and passing and it's no contest. Defense is an important factor in any sport.

Some just can't tolerate being proven wrong.

All I know is we have a team that has the best record in the NBA all while staring two 20-year-olds.

The potential of this team is getting scary.
 
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amen. scary good.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:27:00 PM
The Celtics success this year is IN SPITE of Kyrie. We are really just motivated by the memory of IT last year.

And Crowder of course, lol.

In all honesty, it seems our team defense is much more effective with the the extra two inches at SG and the extra 5 inches at PG. Individual talent doesn’t necessarily translate to more efficiency as a team!

The length and athleticism at the wing positions has been huge for our defense and rebounding.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 10:28:04 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Well I for one am glade we have Kyrie Irving on this team and i thank him for his part in this win. 

Go Kyrie ...Go Celtics !








good facilitator, playing good D...and can score at will at times....you can see his BBIQ is through the roof.....he tries to get everybody great shots and open looks yet knows when he needs to drive to hoop or hit an open JAY similar to tatum.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 06, 2017, 10:31:59 PM
Roy H....IT4 is gone

Embrace Kyrie

New fireballa in town!

And an upgraded model at that.

right. IT was great but kyrie is better all around. we are seeing it now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: celticsclay on November 06, 2017, 10:32:14 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

I was guessing that was what you meant. I am glad you agree on the defense. I don't really have an opinion on the passing part myself
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 10:33:28 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

9-2 record says hi Roy

Kyrie making it count when it matters

You replace Kyrie with a healthy IT4 + this lineup... We would not be 9-2...doubt it
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:37:40 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

I was guessing that was what you meant. I am glad you agree on the defense. I don't really have an opinion on the passing part myself

As far as passing, he's clearly trying, especially early in a game, to get everyone involved.  That doesn't necessarily lead to an assist.  Look at Tatum and Brown's contributions. A lot of that has to do with the attention Kyrie draws and his unselfishness.  Kyrie is also a big reason for Horford's great play.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: slamtheking on November 06, 2017, 10:38:54 PM
pulled out a great win despite not playing well.  Kyrie really put the team on his back down the stretch.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Billz401 on November 06, 2017, 10:38:55 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you hit the ball before it hits the backboard it is a block not a goaltend Correct? Still not understanding the ruling on that second to last play of the game, but then again there were a lot of calls that made zero sense that game.. Still don't know how we pulled that W off with the absolute lackadaisical play in the 1st half. Talk about playing down to your opponents level.

Something I've noticed alot this year, for having elite athleticism and the ability to dunk at will jaylen Brown has been dreadful on layups.. makes no sense lol. And rozier with a -12 +/- to lead the team, he was terrible and no coincidence that we lost the lead every time he went out on the court. The kids got all the tools to at least be an average defender but constantly seeing him pull the ol bull fighter on defense out there to quote Tommy.

I'm confident that brad will get these guys to tighten up a bit and keep the streak rollin!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: RockinRyA on November 06, 2017, 10:39:32 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

Assist rate to USG ratio supports it.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 10:43:54 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you hit the ball before it hits the backboard it is a block not a goaltend Correct? Still not understanding the ruling on that second to last play of the game, but then again there were a lot of calls that made zero sense that game.. Still don't know how we pulled that W off with the absolute lackadaisical play in the 1st half. Talk about playing down to your opponents level.

Something I've noticed alot this year, for having elite athleticism and the ability to dunk at will jaylen Brown has been dreadful on layups.. makes no sense lol. And rozier with a -12 +/- to lead the team, he was terrible and no coincidence that we lost the lead every time he went out on the court. The kids got all the tools to at least be an average defender but constantly seeing him pull the ol bull fighter on defense out there to quote Tommy.

I'm confident that brad will get these guys to tighten up a bit and keep the streak rollin!

Yeah, Brown has a long way to go, but he's impressive at where he is now overall.  One thing I like about him is he has self awareness and talks about the weaknesses of his game.  That's half the battle and he worked hard on them this past offseason.  He is just 21 and we are going to have fun watching his game grow.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: fairweatherfan on November 06, 2017, 11:03:36 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you hit the ball before it hits the backboard it is a block not a goaltend Correct? Still not understanding the ruling on that second to last play of the game, but then again there were a lot of calls that made zero sense that game.. Still don't know how we pulled that W off with the absolute lackadaisical play in the 1st half. Talk about playing down to your opponents level.

It's not automatically a goaltend but sometimes the ball is descending before it hits the board. Couldn't really tell if that was the case here or not though.


Agree that this was a bad W, but we're playing with house money already. We were due some dud stretches and we got them here and in OKC and won anyway. I'll take it for now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 11:07:26 PM
Cant stop watching this Tatum 3 with less than a min

Thank you Brooklyn Nets


https://youtu.be/mVcap6bT5C4
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 11:11:57 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

Are you really arguing this?

IT had an ast% of 32.5 compared to Kyrie's 31.7, a whopping .8 difference. Furthermore, IT did it on a usage % of 34.0 to Kyrie's 28.9, a significant difference of over 5%. When considering respective usages, Kyrie clearly has a better assist rate than IT, making your argument unsound. IT also wasn't playing with a brand new team returning only four players that relies heavily on rookies and young players.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&y1=2018&player_id1=irvinky01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Isaiah+Thomas&player_id2_select=Isaiah+Thomas&y2=2017&player_id2=thomais02&idx=players

Stop being so stubborn with this trade, man. Kyrie has been phenomenal, and we're clearly in the lead with this trade, especially with IT not even planning on stepping onto the floor until 2018. Maybe the Brooklyn pick lands and ends up swinging it toward Cleveland, but from a player standpoint it's not even close.

I don't understand why people romanticize IT's tenure here so much. We were largely scrappy overachievers, but once we get an actual skilled team that is killing the league, all people want to do is romanticize the past. It's amazing.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: cltc5 on November 06, 2017, 11:13:01 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

9-2 record says hi Roy

Kyrie making it count when it matters

You replace Kyrie with a healthy IT4 + this lineup... We would not be 9-2...doubt it

Yep basically because IT would demand the ball instead of moving it to horford or tatum
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 06, 2017, 11:13:46 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

Are you really arguing this?

IT had an ast% of 32.5 compared to Kyrie's 31.7, a whopping .8 difference. Furthermore, IT did it on a usage % of 34.0 to Kyrie's 28.9, a significant difference of over 5%. When considering respective usages, Kyrie clearly has a better assist rate than IT, making your argument unsound.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&y1=2018&player_id1=irvinky01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Isaiah+Thomas&player_id2_select=Isaiah+Thomas&y2=2017&player_id2=thomais02&idx=players

Stop being so stubborn with this trade, man. Kyrie has been phenomenal, and we're clearly in the lead with this trade, especially with IT not even planning on stepping onto the floor until 2018. Maybe the Brooklyn pick lands and ends up swinging it toward Cleveland, but from a player standpoint it's not even close.

I don't understand why people romanticize IT's tenure here so much. We were largely scrappy overachievers, but once we get an actual skilled team that is killing the league, all people want to do is romanticize the past. It's amazing.

Thank you. I don't do stats that well, but it seems clear as day to me that Kyrie is a far more effective passer.

More velocity on the ball, more creative angles, and he has more size and longer arms so he doesn't have to jump pass all the time.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 11:13:53 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 11:15:49 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

Assist rate to USG ratio supports it.

TP you beat me to it.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 11:16:07 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: manl_lui on November 06, 2017, 11:18:06 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

9-2 record says hi Roy

Kyrie making it count when it matters

You replace Kyrie with a healthy IT4 + this lineup... We would not be 9-2...doubt it

Yep basically because IT would demand the ball instead of moving it to horford or tatum

i'd also like to bring up Horford's play as of late. Just the visual test (if anyone can back this up with data that'd be amazing) but I feel that Horford is definitely playing a lot better and more efficiently with Irving than he did with IT.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbLeJpoBNxE/

If nothing else, we should all love Kyrie because it seems to be SERIOUSLY getting under Lebron's skin how well he's doing over here. Lol
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 06, 2017, 11:18:59 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ogaju on November 06, 2017, 11:20:15 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

he is a tarheel, I dont think he likes Tatum either.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 11:23:55 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 11:26:31 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring

A long way.  A heck of a lot of other players would have, too.  And IT carried us farther than the vast majority ever imagined. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 06, 2017, 11:28:45 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 11:30:34 PM
http://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/927735324066926592

 😂
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 11:31:36 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Larry for 3 on November 06, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring

A long way.  A heck of a lot of other players would have, too.  And IT carried us farther than the vast majority ever imagined.


A heck of a lot of other players would have hit game winning 3 in Curry’s face in game 7 of the finals . Ok gotcha sir. And IT won 2 playoff series, that’s it , not like he was a 10 time all star or even a 4 time all star.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 11:38:25 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring

A long way.  A heck of a lot of other players would have, too.  And IT carried us farther than the vast majority ever imagined.


A heck of a lot of other players would have hit game winning 3 in Curry’s face in game 7 of the finals . Ok gotcha sir. And IT won 2 playoff series, that’s it , not like he was a 10 time all star or even a 4 time all star.

Kyrie's shot was a low percentage one.  And, LeBron James.

Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: triboy16f on November 06, 2017, 11:38:56 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

Kyrie is unstoppable .  He can split double teams like few can in this league

IT4 is not at the same level and can be trapped by a smart team. On the flipside the little guy is relentless

Look they are both all star calibre players.  But one guy has the extra gear over the other....

You will see realize this sooner than later.

Good for you to hold onto Rondo, IT4 memories/appreciation after they have left the team...
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 11:42:02 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

Are you really arguing this?

IT had an ast% of 32.5 compared to Kyrie's 31.7, a whopping .8 difference. Furthermore, IT did it on a usage % of 34.0 to Kyrie's 28.9, a significant difference of over 5%. When considering respective usages, Kyrie clearly has a better assist rate than IT, making your argument unsound. IT also wasn't playing with a brand new team returning only four players that relies heavily on rookies and young players.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&y1=2018&player_id1=irvinky01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Isaiah+Thomas&player_id2_select=Isaiah+Thomas&y2=2017&player_id2=thomais02&idx=players

Stop being so stubborn with this trade, man. Kyrie has been phenomenal, and we're clearly in the lead with this trade, especially with IT not even planning on stepping onto the floor until 2018. Maybe the Brooklyn pick lands and ends up swinging it toward Cleveland, but from a player standpoint it's not even close.

I don't understand why people romanticize IT's tenure here so much. We were largely scrappy overachievers, but once we get an actual skilled team that is killing the league, all people want to do is romanticize the past. It's amazing.

IT has a better assist rate.

IT had about 4x as many “secondary assists” as Kyrie, and a significantly higher rate of “potential assists”, as well.

The Celtics scored about 11 more points per 100 possessions with IT as opposed to Kyrie playing. The Celts have dipped from 2nd to 7th in assist rate.

The difference in usage rate is due primarily due to shots taken.

I think you may be the one “romanticizing” here, with a healthy dose of recentcy  bias. The team’s passing has been worse and the offense has been worse. There has been a huge improvement on defense, though. Kyrie is part of that, and should get credit. That doesn’t mean he’s been better than IT in other areas, though.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 11:47:48 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring

A long way.  A heck of a lot of other players would have, too.  And IT carried us farther than the vast majority ever imagined.


A heck of a lot of other players would have hit game winning 3 in Curry’s face in game 7 of the finals . Ok gotcha sir. And IT won 2 playoff series, that’s it , not like he was a 10 time all star or even a 4 time all star.

Clearly, it should take a long time and a lot of proven success for a 25 year old 4 time allstar, allstar game MVP, FIBA MVP, Olympic gold medal winner, #1 overall NBA draft pick, 3 time NBA finalist, and one time NBA champion who made the game 7 winning shot to prove himself over the 28 year old 1 time all star, 2nd round draft pick who was coming off the bench for a crappy team just a few years ago.  He has everything to prove as opposed to the latter player.  This is rational.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

Kyrie is unstoppable .  He can split double teams like few can in this league

IT4 is not at the same level and can be trapped by a smart team. On the flipside the little guy is relentless

Look they are both all star calibre players.  But one guy has the extra gear over the other....

You will see realize this sooner than later.

Good for you to hold onto Rondo, IT4 memories/appreciation after they have left the team...

As a diehard Celtics fan, I hope you're right. Playing one quarter per game isn't gonna cut it, though.  And he will be exposed defensively when it actually matters, you can take that to the bank.  I think Kyrie will end up proving to be the better player, and again, I wouldn't fathom trading Kyrie for IT.  But, he has to prove himself here in Boston, without the greatest player of his generation.  That takes time. 

And thank you.  I consider them both Celtic legends in their own right.  As a fan, I think it's important to appreciate the contributions of guys like IT and Rondo.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 06, 2017, 11:49:41 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring

A long way.  A heck of a lot of other players would have, too.  And IT carried us farther than the vast majority ever imagined.


A heck of a lot of other players would have hit game winning 3 in Curry’s face in game 7 of the finals . Ok gotcha sir. And IT won 2 playoff series, that’s it , not like he was a 10 time all star or even a 4 time all star.

Clearly, it should take a long time and a lot of proven success for a 25 year old 4 time allstar, allstar game MVP, FIBA MVP, Olympic gold medal winner, #1 overall NBA draft pick, 3 time NBA finalist, and one time NBA champion who made the game 7 winning shot to prove himself over the 28 year old 1 time all star, 2nd round draft pick who was coming off the bench for a crappy team just a few years ago.  He has everything to prove as opposed to the latter player.  This is rational.

LeBron James.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: CelticsElite on November 06, 2017, 11:50:01 PM
Al horford 15/10/9 lol

Puts up almost triple double and no one notices
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 06, 2017, 11:54:14 PM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

Are you really arguing this?

IT had an ast% of 32.5 compared to Kyrie's 31.7, a whopping .8 difference. Furthermore, IT did it on a usage % of 34.0 to Kyrie's 28.9, a significant difference of over 5%. When considering respective usages, Kyrie clearly has a better assist rate than IT, making your argument unsound. IT also wasn't playing with a brand new team returning only four players that relies heavily on rookies and young players.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&y1=2018&player_id1=irvinky01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Isaiah+Thomas&player_id2_select=Isaiah+Thomas&y2=2017&player_id2=thomais02&idx=players

Stop being so stubborn with this trade, man. Kyrie has been phenomenal, and we're clearly in the lead with this trade, especially with IT not even planning on stepping onto the floor until 2018. Maybe the Brooklyn pick lands and ends up swinging it toward Cleveland, but from a player standpoint it's not even close.

I don't understand why people romanticize IT's tenure here so much. We were largely scrappy overachievers, but once we get an actual skilled team that is killing the league, all people want to do is romanticize the past. It's amazing.

IT has a better assist rate.

IT had about 4x as many “secondary assists” as Kyrie, and a significantly higher rate of “potential assists”, as well.

The Celtics scored about 11 more points per 100 possessions with IT as opposed to Kyrie playing. The Celts have dipped from 2nd to 7th in assist rate.

The difference in usage rate is due primarily due to shots taken.

I think you may be the one “romanticizing” here, with a healthy dose of recentcy  bias. The team’s passing has been worse and the offense has been worse. There has been a huge improvement on defense, though. Kyrie is part of that, and should get credit. That doesn’t mean he’s been better than IT in other areas, though.

Any empirical stats to back up your assists claims, or is that just pure conjecture based on the eye test? Because I can make similar claims with Kyrie and hockey assists based solely on the eye test, let alone Kyrie playing with much younger and less reliable players, leading to fewer finishes counting for assists.

And regarding the usage percentage, yeah, that's exactly the point. IT had the ball in his hands much, much more than Kyrie currently does, so the fact that he only had a marginally better assist rate than Kyrie means there's no real statistical difference between the two in this regard. And any difference would be in Kyrie's favor.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Larry for 3 on November 06, 2017, 11:55:07 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

Kyrie is unstoppable .  He can split double teams like few can in this league

IT4 is not at the same level and can be trapped by a smart team. On the flipside the little guy is relentless

Look they are both all star calibre players.  But one guy has the extra gear over the other....

You will see realize this sooner than later.

Good for you to hold onto Rondo, IT4 memories/appreciation after they have left the team...

As a diehard Celtics fan, I hope you're right. Playing one quarter per game isn't gonna cut it, though.  And he will be exposed defensively when it actually matters, you can take that to the bank.  I think Kyrie will end up proving to be the better player, and again, I wouldn't fathom trading Kyrie for IT.  But, he has to prove himself here in Boston, without the greatest player of his generation.  That takes time. 

And thank you.  I consider them both Celtic legends in their own right.  As a fan, I think it's important to appreciate the contributions of guys like IT and Rondo.

What did IT prove in Boston again? That we can barely beat the Bulls and Wizards? That you can have 1 great season, then you are a god ? Ok , he had 1 great season, that’s reality. That’s all it was. Heck of a year but we beat the.Cavs in game 3 without him don’t forget.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 06, 2017, 11:57:41 PM
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Any empirical stats to back up your assists claims, or is that just pure conjecture based on the eye test?

Lol. When have I ever gone by “pure conjecture”?

The stats are on NBA.com. Unlike some, I tend not to make claims based upon the “eye test”. It’s not reliable, as your above conjecture about Kyrie’s hockey assists and potential assists shows. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring

A long way.  A heck of a lot of other players would have, too.  And IT carried us farther than the vast majority ever imagined.


A heck of a lot of other players would have hit game winning 3 in Curry’s face in game 7 of the finals . Ok gotcha sir. And IT won 2 playoff series, that’s it , not like he was a 10 time all star or even a 4 time all star.

Clearly, it should take a long time and a lot of proven success for a 25 year old 4 time allstar, allstar game MVP, FIBA MVP, Olympic gold medal winner, #1 overall NBA draft pick, 3 time NBA finalist, and one time NBA champion who made the game 7 winning shot to prove himself over the 28 year old 1 time all star, 2nd round draft pick who was coming off the bench for a crappy team just a few years ago.  He has everything to prove as opposed to the latter player.  This is rational.

LeBron James.

Lebron James misses Kyrie an awful lot right now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: knuckleballer on November 06, 2017, 11:59:48 PM
Al horford 15/10/9 lol

Puts up almost triple double and no one notices

I think a lot of us have noticed his great play so far this season.  He's been awesome.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 07, 2017, 12:04:15 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 07, 2017, 12:06:35 AM
Where are all those loud Kyrie doubters now?

Seriously.

They're going to insist that they are right until he wins the Celtics a championship.  Stubborn.

I think they’re going to insist that Kyrie has yet to show he’s as good as IT, let alone better. Then throw in the BRK pick, Crowder, Zizic.

IT had 31 games of 30+ points last season. Kyrie has one.  He’s an exciting player, and a very good one, but that doesn’t mean we got good value.

Roy, you're clearly just being stubborn based on preconceived notions. Kyrie isn't being asked to score as much on this as Isaiah was last year. That said, two of the very things you questioned and harped on, defense and passing, Irving has shown to be way better than Thomas was. Agree?

Nope.

You really don't think irvings defense this year has been better than IT's was all of last year (and the year before that)?

There were two parts of that clause. Defense was only one of them.

IT had a better assist rate and led a much more efficient offense than Kyrie has to date. The “better passer” argument isn’t supported by data.

Are you really arguing this?

IT had an ast% of 32.5 compared to Kyrie's 31.7, a whopping .8 difference. Furthermore, IT did it on a usage % of 34.0 to Kyrie's 28.9, a significant difference of over 5%. When considering respective usages, Kyrie clearly has a better assist rate than IT, making your argument unsound. IT also wasn't playing with a brand new team returning only four players that relies heavily on rookies and young players.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&y1=2018&player_id1=irvinky01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Isaiah+Thomas&player_id2_select=Isaiah+Thomas&y2=2017&player_id2=thomais02&idx=players

Stop being so stubborn with this trade, man. Kyrie has been phenomenal, and we're clearly in the lead with this trade, especially with IT not even planning on stepping onto the floor until 2018. Maybe the Brooklyn pick lands and ends up swinging it toward Cleveland, but from a player standpoint it's not even close.

I don't understand why people romanticize IT's tenure here so much. We were largely scrappy overachievers, but once we get an actual skilled team that is killing the league, all people want to do is romanticize the past. It's amazing.

IT has a better assist rate.

IT had about 4x as many “secondary assists” as Kyrie, and a significantly higher rate of “potential assists”, as well.

The Celtics scored about 11 more points per 100 possessions with IT as opposed to Kyrie playing. The Celts have dipped from 2nd to 7th in assist rate.

The difference in usage rate is due primarily due to shots taken.

I think you may be the one “romanticizing” here, with a healthy dose of recentcy  bias. The team’s passing has been worse and the offense has been worse. There has been a huge improvement on defense, though. Kyrie is part of that, and should get credit. That doesn’t mean he’s been better than IT in other areas, though.

You don't think comparing IT, in his third season in Beads offense, with guys he had played with for like 3 years, to Kyrie in his first few games is apples to apples?

This team has 4 returning players, of course the offense isn't as tight as last year's.

For someone who is knowledgeable about basketball, you sure seem to be intentionally avoiding context.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 07, 2017, 12:15:44 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.



Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 07, 2017, 12:19:04 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 07, 2017, 12:22:05 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 07, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.
The Golden State Warriors... 2 years ago.

lol
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 07, 2017, 12:28:26 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 07, 2017, 12:29:02 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.
The Golden State Warriors... 2 years ago.

lol

Glad I wasn't the only one to notice lol.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 07, 2017, 12:30:54 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 07, 2017, 12:33:57 AM
Quote
Any empirical stats to back up your assists claims, or is that just pure conjecture based on the eye test?

Lol. When have I ever gone by “pure conjecture”?

The stats are on NBA.com. Unlike some, I tend not to make claims based upon the “eye test”. It’s not reliable, as your above conjecture about Kyrie’s hockey assists and potential assists shows.
the 11 game sample size is way too ****ing small. Stats dont matter yet.

Thats more directed at the pro-Kyrie crew. Wont know who won this trade for a long while.

Early returns on Irving have been terrific. His defensive effort has been contagious, teammates seem to love him and hes been as advertised as a closer dominating the closing stages of this game, the Bucks game and the OKC game.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: incoherent on November 07, 2017, 12:34:22 AM
You guys keep going over the advanced stats and arguing about IT and I'll just keep enjoying our team clicking on a level I haven't seen since Decemeber 2009.

Let's just keep in mind that 99.9% of all NBA players and point guards will never accomplish a season like IT had last year.

But that doesn't change the fact that Kyrie is a better playoff performer, and is more likely to get us to banner 18 which is our ultimate goal.





Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 07, 2017, 12:34:44 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 07, 2017, 12:35:14 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.
Im curious as to what point you are trying to make.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 07, 2017, 12:40:37 AM
You guys keep going over the advanced stats and arguing about IT and I'll just keep enjoying our team clicking on a level I haven't seen since Decemeber 2009.

Let's just keep in mind that 99.9% of all NBA players and point guards will never accomplish a season like IT had last year.

But that doesn't change the fact that Kyrie is a better playoff performer, and is more likely to get us to banner 18 which is our ultimate goal.
eh. A lot of that is  a product of the schedule.

They beat Milwaukee which is a solid win and they beat OKC which is an awesome win, but other than that they beat New York, Philly, Atlanta, Miami(sans Whiteside), San Antonio(san Kawhi, Parker, and Manu), Orlando(with no point gaurd), and the ****ing Kings.

They are really gelling and playing great, but the idea that this is the best theyve played or gelled since 09 seems like a huge stretch.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 07, 2017, 12:45:13 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 07, 2017, 12:46:24 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

A long way?

He has made it to the finals 3 times and has won a ring

A long way.  A heck of a lot of other players would have, too.  And IT carried us farther than the vast majority ever imagined.


A heck of a lot of other players would have hit game winning 3 in Curry’s face in game 7 of the finals . Ok gotcha sir. And IT won 2 playoff series, that’s it , not like he was a 10 time all star or even a 4 time all star.

Clearly, it should take a long time and a lot of proven success for a 25 year old 4 time allstar, allstar game MVP, FIBA MVP, Olympic gold medal winner, #1 overall NBA draft pick, 3 time NBA finalist, and one time NBA champion who made the game 7 winning shot to prove himself over the 28 year old 1 time all star, 2nd round draft pick who was coming off the bench for a crappy team just a few years ago.  He has everything to prove as opposed to the latter player.  This is rational.

LeBron James.
And what is the win loss record for Lebron this year?  ;D

Lebron needs a team of good players to win championships. But this is obvious. You did nothing to refute the post above yours.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: wayupnorth on November 07, 2017, 12:47:59 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   

K. Leonard hasn't made the finals in the last three years.

He must not be transcendent then, either.

You logic just isn't tracking.

Not to mention, the point I am making about IT, is that I see you, as you saw those who constantly said IT was nothing but a 6th man, or high scorer on a bad team.

Trying to give you some perspective.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 07, 2017, 12:52:07 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   
So by your definition Kevin Durant isnt transcendent?

Lebron James wasnt until 2011 at age 26?

Michael Jordan didnt even hit that status till 27.

Shaq didnt get there till he was 27 either!
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jakeopp on November 07, 2017, 01:04:20 AM
You guys keep going over the advanced stats and arguing about IT and I'll just keep enjoying our team clicking on a level I haven't seen since Decemeber 2009.

Let's just keep in mind that 99.9% of all NBA players and point guards will never accomplish a season like IT had last year.

But that doesn't change the fact that Kyrie is a better playoff performer, and is more likely to get us to banner 18 which is our ultimate goal.
eh. A lot of that is  a product of the schedule.

They beat Milwaukee which is a solid win and they beat OKC which is an awesome win, but other than that they beat New York, Philly, Atlanta, Miami(sans Whiteside), San Antonio(san Kawhi, Parker, and Manu), Orlando(with no point gaurd), and the ****ing Kings.

They are really gelling and playing great, but the idea that this is the best theyve played or gelled since 09 seems like a huge stretch.
Basically my thoughts right now. Our best wins were against the Bucks (4-5 record) who we lost against earlier in the year, and the Thunder (4-5 as well) a team with major firepower but still has a lot of gelling to do. Beyond that we've beaten lottery teams, the 76ers,  and the Spurs/Heat minus their best players.

I'm interested in how we play against the Warriors and Raptors coming up soon on our schedule. Raptors always killed us in the past, and we've always played GS tough in recent years.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 07, 2017, 01:06:22 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   

K. Leonard hasn't made the finals in the last three years.

He must not be transcendent then, either.

You logic just isn't tracking.

Not to mention, the point I am making about IT, is that I see you, as you saw those who constantly said IT was nothing but a 6th man, or high scorer on a bad team.

Trying to give you some perspective.

You pretty much explained my logic.  Subjectively, I wouldn't label Kawhi clearly transcendent -- I think both he and Davis are right on the cusp.  Both supremely talented, decade of star status for both.  Again, I consider a guy transcendent when he has a clear path to the Finals, and is capable of willing his team to a win when needed.  Jordan, Bird, Kareem, James, Kobe, etc. 
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 07, 2017, 01:08:37 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   
So by your definition Kevin Durant isnt transcendent?

Lebron James wasnt until 2011 at age 26?

Michael Jordan didnt even hit that status till 27.

Shaq didnt get there till he was 27 either!

And you expect Kyrie's career to be as successful as theirs?  Pretty wild.  And he is in literally the perfect situation to make that happen for the peak of his career, if he chooses.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 07, 2017, 01:24:52 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   
So by your definition Kevin Durant isnt transcendent?

Lebron James wasnt until 2011 at age 26?

Michael Jordan didnt even hit that status till 27.

Shaq didnt get there till he was 27 either!

It’s an interesting debate, actually.

Is Carmelo transcendant? How about Harden? CP3?

Something separates those players with the LeBrons, Kobes, Jordans etc.

You can be a hall-of-famer and not be a transcendant player, IMO.

I also think you can be a transcendant talent but not a transcendant player (I’m looking at you, Anthony Davis!).
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 07, 2017, 01:29:19 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   
So by your definition Kevin Durant isnt transcendent?

Lebron James wasnt until 2011 at age 26?

Michael Jordan didnt even hit that status till 27.

Shaq didnt get there till he was 27 either!

It’s an interesting debate, actually.

Is Carmelo transcendant? How about Harden? CP3?

Something separates those players with the LeBrons, Kobes, Jordans etc.

You can be a hall-of-famer and not be a transcendant player, IMO.

I also think you can be a transcendant talent but not a transcendant player (I’m looking at you, Anthony Davis!).

No, no, not quite.  And I agree, it's a subjective definition.  I hope Davis becomes one (in Celtic green), but also because he's my only hope in fantasy ball.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 07, 2017, 01:32:05 AM
Roy and every one else that had questions about the trade, appreciated the heck out of IT, and are going to wait for Kyrie to prove himself in the same manner as he did, don't deserve to be attacked.  His points have always been valid, and despite some solid quarters (and tonight), Kyrie does still have a long way to go to warrant that trade.  So let's play nice.  It's a big sandbox.

Where you saying the same thing after IT's first season here, when people said it was only one season, he is just a sixth Man?

I was. I doubted him all the way, until the first quarter of last year. I was wrong. I am not going to spend this season waiting to believe my eyes with Kyrie.

Not at all.  Loved IT from the jump and wanted to see him start ASAP.  I can't remember exact comments, but I'm sure my posts will definitely reflect that. 

Ogaju: I love me some Tatum.

So you loved IT from the jump, yet Kyrie is playing much better ball than IT did (even to start his first full season), yet you doubt Kyrie?

I get the whole "well we lost the trade angle" (even if I think getting the best player is winning the trade in the NBA, and disagree), but I seriously don't get people arguing IT is a better player.

He isn't.

Not one GM in this league would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.

Yet some here seem to think that is in question.

It isn't.

Kyrie is simply a better player than IT, without question.

I agree that there isn't a single GM that would trade Kyrie for IT straight up.  As I GM, I wouldn't fathom it, either.  But Kyrie's not the unanimously better player yet.  Can he be? Sure.  Is he already? It's possible, but he hasn't proven it yet imo.

I respect your right to your opinion, but lol.

That opinion goin' to look really silly real quick.

It is clear Kyrie is just a step above.

Well, "just a step" and being made to "look silly" don't really add up, brohammer.

But I legitimately just gave Kyrie the benefit of the doubt in every way.  They were in two completely different circumstances -- IT carried a team, Kyrie took control in spots + LeBron + Cavs.  In reverse roles, I think they would've probably been similarly successfully. 

I don't think either side can end up losing this "Who is better?" debate, honestly.  Kyrie has way more firepower than IT ever did -- with (begrudging) credit to Ainge, Brown and Tatum have been ridiculously good.  But, it was an overpay; BKN could be just as good; their prior roles can't be reversed at this stage.

I don't agree. Much like with Davis, when a transcendent talent becomes available you get it done.

I think he's great, but not transcendent (same with IT).  Big Mo broke this down in another thread recently.  The last 6'2" transcendent talent, best player on a championship team, was...?

You can disagree all you want.  I'm still going to give you a TP.

Lol this is a joke, right?

Steph is 6' 3", same height as Irving.

I really, really hope you are just playing something.

That was just two years ago, lol...come on bruh.

Nailed it, TP.  Steph Curry - literally the greatest shooter of all time.  On the greatest team of all-time (until last year); without Draymond, an injured Curry, and a league that benefited a LOT from the Cavs winning.

Lol I am out, but you sure have a bone to pick.

Sit back and enjoy the ride. Kyrie is transcendent, and this will be proven.

You thought IT was nice under Brad? Well, wait until you see how he cooks with Kyrie.

Lol like dealing with the "IT is a 6th man" crowd all over again.

By my definition of the word, "transcendent" means we will make the Finals and come close to winning a championship this year.  That's what a transcendent player does, but you must believe otherwise.  So, unless that happens... you're up craps creek with that stance, imo.

No idea why you keep bringing up the IT + 6th man thing.  Completely irrelevant.  I was probably more pro-IT than you were at the time.   
So by your definition Kevin Durant isnt transcendent?

Lebron James wasnt until 2011 at age 26?

Michael Jordan didnt even hit that status till 27.

Shaq didnt get there till he was 27 either!

And you expect Kyrie's career to be as successful as theirs?  Pretty wild.  And he is in literally the perfect situation to make that happen for the peak of his career, if he chooses.
Nope. Never implied that either.

Just think its pretty wild that you looked at a 25 year old Lebron James and said "nope. not transcendent."

Edit: Lebron was transcendant at 26. He wasnt at 25.

Its Michael Jordan who wasnt transcendant at 25 despite putting up 34/7/6 and leading the league in steals
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: SparzWizard on November 07, 2017, 01:43:43 AM
Al horford 15/10/9 lol

Puts up almost triple double and no one notices

People too busy comparing IT4 to Kyrie and whatnot  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jdz101 on November 07, 2017, 05:27:03 AM
Good win but disappointed in lack of defensive intensity. Felt Once Briwn got 2nd early foul his defense really slipped, probably trying to avoid another early foul.

Also some of the guys refuse to swing the ball around much, and we get stuck too much in 2 man ball. Like Baynes but he is often guilty of this shortcoming.

Your disappointed about the defensive intensity from an away game which gives us our 9th straight win, that came from our 3rd game in 4 nights? Hard man to please.

I knew that part of our game wasnt going to be up to the usual standard because it is very hard to maintain that when you're tired. I was very proud of the team for getting that win though.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jdz101 on November 07, 2017, 05:36:16 AM
I find it humorous when posters can see our defensive identity there that was AWOL for the past year, see our far superior net rating, see us easily dispose of inferior basketball teams, and yet still faun after what we had in previous years. This team has improved. With Hayward available this team would have drastically improved.

The one and only thing you could be upset about is trading away that Brooklyn pick, which is currently, what? Pick 11 or 12?

I'll be one that says I wasn't a huge fan of that trade at the time, but I stand converted after a pretty decent sample of watching this team play and how deep they are. The brooklyn pick upset me most. Again, brooklyn aren't playing like a top 4 pick in the draft team right now.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: makaveli on November 07, 2017, 05:59:03 AM
this is Al Horford we had hoped for. Danny did a brilliant job assembling the roster, only to be out done by Brad in making it all gel at this high level.
This team can go for it all this year, and years to come:
- defense - check
- superstar - check
- all star - check
- coaching - check
- youth - double check
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eja117 on November 07, 2017, 07:28:41 AM
I find it humorous when posters can see our defensive identity there that was AWOL for the past year, see our far superior net rating, see us easily dispose of inferior basketball teams, and yet still faun after what we had in previous years. This team has improved. With Hayward available this team would have drastically improved.

The one and only thing you could be upset about is trading away that Brooklyn pick, which is currently, what? Pick 11 or 12?

I'll be one that says I wasn't a huge fan of that trade at the time, but I stand converted after a pretty decent sample of watching this team play and how deep they are. The brooklyn pick upset me most. Again, brooklyn aren't playing like a top 4 pick in the draft team right now.
Hard to disagree with this
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Roy H. on November 07, 2017, 08:19:29 AM
I find it humorous when posters can see our defensive identity there that was AWOL for the past year, see our far superior net rating, see us easily dispose of inferior basketball teams, and yet still faun after what we had in previous years. This team has improved. With Hayward available this team would have drastically improved.

The one and only thing you could be upset about is trading away that Brooklyn pick, which is currently, what? Pick 11 or 12?

I'll be one that says I wasn't a huge fan of that trade at the time, but I stand converted after a pretty decent sample of watching this team play and how deep they are. The brooklyn pick upset me most. Again, brooklyn aren't playing like a top 4 pick in the draft team right now.
Hard to disagree with this

Is anyone arguing that the team isn’t better defensively?

That doesn’t mean the passing or offense are better, though, either collectively or individually.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Eja117 on November 07, 2017, 08:26:49 AM
I find it humorous when posters can see our defensive identity there that was AWOL for the past year, see our far superior net rating, see us easily dispose of inferior basketball teams, and yet still faun after what we had in previous years. This team has improved. With Hayward available this team would have drastically improved.

The one and only thing you could be upset about is trading away that Brooklyn pick, which is currently, what? Pick 11 or 12?

I'll be one that says I wasn't a huge fan of that trade at the time, but I stand converted after a pretty decent sample of watching this team play and how deep they are. The brooklyn pick upset me most. Again, brooklyn aren't playing like a top 4 pick in the draft team right now.
Hard to disagree with this

Is anyone arguing that the team isn’t better defensively?

That doesn’t mean the passing or offense are better, though, either collectively or individually.
Ok Roy. So which team is better? This year's or last? And what's the big difference?
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: cltc5 on November 07, 2017, 08:30:07 AM
I find it humorous when posters can see our defensive identity there that was AWOL for the past year, see our far superior net rating, see us easily dispose of inferior basketball teams, and yet still faun after what we had in previous years. This team has improved. With Hayward available this team would have drastically improved.

The one and only thing you could be upset about is trading away that Brooklyn pick, which is currently, what? Pick 11 or 12?

I'll be one that says I wasn't a huge fan of that trade at the time, but I stand converted after a pretty decent sample of watching this team play and how deep they are. The brooklyn pick upset me most. Again, brooklyn aren't playing like a top 4 pick in the draft team right now.

Agreed.  Wasn't keen on the Brooklyn pick but was more than happy to trade IT AND CROWDER.  Both would have stunted our youth movement and one, IT, would have played hero ball all year only to lose in the playoffs while each year threatening injury and continuing aging.  I liked rondo, but I saw the writing on the wall and was happy to have him moved.  What's best for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: incoherent on November 07, 2017, 08:42:24 AM
I find it humorous when posters can see our defensive identity there that was AWOL for the past year, see our far superior net rating, see us easily dispose of inferior basketball teams, and yet still faun after what we had in previous years. This team has improved. With Hayward available this team would have drastically improved.

The one and only thing you could be upset about is trading away that Brooklyn pick, which is currently, what? Pick 11 or 12?

I'll be one that says I wasn't a huge fan of that trade at the time, but I stand converted after a pretty decent sample of watching this team play and how deep they are. The brooklyn pick upset me most. Again, brooklyn aren't playing like a top 4 pick in the draft team right now.
Hard to disagree with this

Is anyone arguing that the team isn’t better defensively?

That doesn’t mean the passing or offense are better, though, either collectively or individually.

And it's not expected to be.  Jae/Bradley/IT had 2+ years of experience and continuity together. Also last years team had a much older starting lineup with more veterans and experience.

Theres no chance our offense will click like it did last year this early in the season when we are starting a rookie and a sophomore.



Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: jpotter33 on November 07, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Quote
Any empirical stats to back up your assists claims, or is that just pure conjecture based on the eye test?

Lol. When have I ever gone by “pure conjecture”?

The stats are on NBA.com. Unlike some, I tend not to make claims based upon the “eye test”. It’s not reliable, as your above conjecture about Kyrie’s hockey assists and potential assists shows.

Settle down, slick. I had never heard those terms before, so I was clarifying whether that claim was based on stats or just an offhand comment.

But looking into the context of those stats, once again they're hardly as compelling as you're presenting them, and they actually show that Kyrie is just as an effective passer (if not more) in his short Celtics stint than IT was last year.

For example, your claim that IT had "four times as many secondary assists" in reality equates to him averaging 1.7 per game compared to Kyrie's .5 per game. Nice small sample size framing of those numbers!  ;)

And then looking at the actual number of passes each player made/received, IT averaged 55.7 passes made per game compared to Kyrie's 49.5, and IT received 76.8 passes per game compared to Kyrie's 61.7, which is certainly consistent with the higher usage, touches, and passes that IT made per game.

Thus, since quantity =/= quality, this makes Kyrie a more effective passer due to putting up just slightly worse assist numbers in a significantly lesser quantity of passes. This is proven by Kyrie's Assist to Pass % (11.6) being a full point higher than IT's last year (10.6)! Thus, no, Kyrie has been just as effective, if not even slightly better, of a passer than IT last year when usage, touches, and total passes (i.e. the context) are taken into consideration.

https://stats.nba.com/players/passing/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=SECONDARY_AST&dir=1

https://stats.nba.com/players/passing/?sort=SECONDARY_AST&dir=1
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: saltlover on November 07, 2017, 10:46:31 AM
I find it humorous when posters can see our defensive identity there that was AWOL for the past year, see our far superior net rating, see us easily dispose of inferior basketball teams, and yet still faun after what we had in previous years. This team has improved. With Hayward available this team would have drastically improved.

The one and only thing you could be upset about is trading away that Brooklyn pick, which is currently, what? Pick 11 or 12?

I'll be one that says I wasn't a huge fan of that trade at the time, but I stand converted after a pretty decent sample of watching this team play and how deep they are. The brooklyn pick upset me most. Again, brooklyn aren't playing like a top 4 pick in the draft team right now.
Hard to disagree with this

Is anyone arguing that the team isn’t better defensively?

That doesn’t mean the passing or offense are better, though, either collectively or individually.

It also doesn’t mean the offense is worse.  Over the 9 game winning streak, our offensive rating is 107.6, which is not significantly different from last year’s 108.6 rating.  Our 4th quarter rating this year is 115.8, better than last year’s 114.4 (which was 3rd in the league).

The season is still young, so a) these numbers could change significantly over the year, and b) can really be impacted by a single game due to the weight of any given game with so few having been played.  (Even cutting out the first two games of the year by focusing on the winning streak only raised our offensive rating by 2.2 points.  Due to the unique circumstances around these games (the gruesome Hayward injury that clearly shook the team in game 1, and having to turn around so quickly without any time to adjust for game 2, I feel they are fairly excluded for now given it’s near 20% of the season weight.)

Anyway, I think people are actually underselling the quality of the offense so far, because the first two games have so much weight on the sample.  It’s a good offensive team.  Maybe not great, but good, and as the sample size increases, I wouldn’t be remotely surprised to find that we have a top 8-10 offense, as we did last year.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on November 07, 2017, 01:17:18 PM
can we all just be happy we are WAY ahead of schedule as far as team chemistry goes ESPECIALLY WITHOUT GH? i thought it would be ups and downs all year trying to get chemistry and continuity.  AT LEAST half a year to work the kinks out. I never expected us to look this good this soon based on those metrics. I will admit i was wrong and glad i was.  ;D

THANK YOU CBS. magnificent coaching job as always.
Title: Re: Celtics (8-2) at Hawks (2-8) Game #11 11/6/17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 07, 2017, 07:22:03 PM
Well stated. Lets not forget to enjoy the winning streak.