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Title: Patriots trade Garoppolo
Post by: nickagneta on October 30, 2017, 08:27:47 PM
To San Francisco for a 2018 2nd rounder. No immediate help.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Phantom255x on October 30, 2017, 08:29:47 PM
DUMB.

Who is our backup now lol?? We signing Kaepernick now? (I wouldn't mind at all)
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Roy H. on October 30, 2017, 08:30:48 PM
Huh. I think that they would have done better at last yearís draft.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 30, 2017, 08:33:36 PM
yeah, would have rather done this at the draft last year and picked up a late first rounder.

I had my eye on that linebacker from Alabama, Reuben Foster. Would be nice to have a kid like that right about now.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: ChillyWilly on October 30, 2017, 08:35:12 PM
DUMB.

Who is our backup now lol?? We signing Kaepernick now? (I wouldn't mind at all)

Brady

Every air apparent to Brady is sent a packing
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 30, 2017, 08:35:55 PM
Probably worth noting, that this second rounder is basically guaranteed to be in the 32-28 range.

49ers are yet to win.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: CelticsElite on October 30, 2017, 08:37:45 PM
DUMB.

Who is our backup now lol?? We signing Kaepernick now? (I wouldn't mind at all)
backups donít win championships
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: kozlodoev on October 30, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
DUMB.

Who is our backup now lol?? We signing Kaepernick now? (I wouldn't mind at all)
backups donít win championships
I guess future second round picks do.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: nickagneta on October 30, 2017, 08:43:26 PM
Gonna be a high 2nd rounder but, yeah, don't understand not trading him at the draft and keeping Brisette. Now we have no back up.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: tstorey_97 on October 30, 2017, 08:45:16 PM
Ryan Mallet has a couple of starts this year
Hoyer has been a starter
Brissette is THE starter
Garapolo going to learn what it's like to be sacked regularly.

Edelman (Most passing yards in the history of Kent State) can't play back up now, so who's the one?

Slater will have to do it....he plays everywhere.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: jambr380 on October 30, 2017, 08:48:00 PM
I agree that he should have been moved at the draft, but this is actually a great trade since he would have walked in half of a season.

The Pats organization must be convinced that Brady is the man for the next few years...which is AWESOME! Weíll find another back-up soon. We arenít going anywhere without Brady anyway (we are barely going anywhere with him  :P )
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: hpantazo on October 30, 2017, 08:48:22 PM
There has to be a follow up trade coming, right? Maybe to replace Hightower?
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: 2short on October 30, 2017, 08:51:46 PM
DUMB.

Who is our backup now lol?? We signing Kaepernick now? (I wouldn't mind at all)
backups donít win championships
Brady was a backup
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: kozlodoev on October 30, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
The return is so disappointing.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: hpantazo on October 30, 2017, 08:53:25 PM
DUMB.

Who is our backup now lol?? We signing Kaepernick now? (I wouldn't mind at all)
backups donít win championships
Brady was a backup
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 30, 2017, 08:55:40 PM
The return is so disappointing.
It is, but it makes a lot of sense. He was an expiring contract and it never made sense to pay both him and Brady.

Getting a pick in the top 3 or 4 picks of the second round is pretty good value.

Im dissapointed. Felt we could have had a late first for him, but its not egregious at all.

Plus, in bill we trust.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Billz401 on October 30, 2017, 08:56:13 PM
Jimmy polo is an UFA after this year and had no incentive to come back as a backup so I'm all for getting something rather than nothing after the year. But we def could have traded him for at least a late 1st this past draft and kept brissett.. I expect another move to come before Thursday for either a linebacker or maybe even another wide receiver. Maybe martavis Bryant from pitt??
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 30, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
Jimmy polo is an UFA after this year and had no incentive to come back as a backup so I'm all for getting something rather than nothing after the year. But we def could have traded him for at least a late 1st this past draft and kept brissett.. I expect another move to come before Thursday for either a linebacker or maybe even another wide receiver. Maybe martavis Bryant from pitt??
Id been pretty against getting a wideout, but with the way our red zone offense has struggled, maybe a big target like Bryant could be worth taking a flier on. Unfortunately, I dont see Pitt being super excited about sending a talented player to their nemesis.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Billz401 on October 30, 2017, 09:01:35 PM
Jimmy polo is an UFA after this year and had no incentive to come back as a backup so I'm all for getting something rather than nothing after the year. But we def could have traded him for at least a late 1st this past draft and kept brissett.. I expect another move to come before Thursday for either a linebacker or maybe even another wide receiver. Maybe martavis Bryant from pitt??
Id been pretty against getting a wideout, but with the way our red zone offense has struggled, maybe a big target like Bryant could be worth taking a flier on. Unfortunately, I dont see Pitt being super excited about sending a talented player to their nemesis.
My thoughts exactly especially with hogan getting hurt yesterday. And I completely agree that although Bryant is kind of forcing his way out I doubt Pitt wants to send him to a conference rival
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Roy H. on October 30, 2017, 09:32:43 PM
This article from 3 hours ago aged well:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/trade-garoppolo-deadline-no-no-213848086.html
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Boris Badenov on October 30, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Poor Jimmy G. Four years as a Patriot, all that hype, and a slew of Patriots fans still can't spell his name right.

He's no "Robert Parrish," but still.

Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 30, 2017, 10:43:33 PM
No backup? No problem.

Backup QBs are a dime a dozen, and besides, if Brady goes down, this team isn't going anywhere anyway. The Pats have multiple pressing needs right now, and this pick can be used to address at least one of them.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: hpantazo on October 30, 2017, 10:48:04 PM
If we were going to end up having to rely on a backup QB for significant time, then the season would be over anyway.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: nickagneta on October 30, 2017, 10:51:15 PM
Schefter reporting the 49ers will release Brian Hoyer and since he is great friends with Brady and familiar with the Pats system will be signed by New England as Brady's backup.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: PhoSita on October 30, 2017, 10:52:57 PM
I'm just wondering why they felt this was the time to do it.

Surely the leverage would've been better at the draft?
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 30, 2017, 10:54:32 PM
This article from 3 hours ago aged well:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/trade-garoppolo-deadline-no-no-213848086.html

Haha. I would have said no to this trade, only b/c I'm not convinced that Jimmy G would lose us playoff games. In fact, I think he could beat KC in the playoffs if Brady went down.

I guess Belichick thinks less of him, and he would know better. That, or he is very confident that Brady will stay healthy. Bill has good reason to be confident.

Hoyer is meh. I don't think he beats KC. Hope it doesn't come down to that.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on October 30, 2017, 11:39:06 PM
Niner fan here. Thank you very much.

This trade means we are now in the running for Saquon Barkley.

Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: nickagneta on October 30, 2017, 11:46:21 PM
Niner fan here. Thank you very much.

This trade means we are now in the running for Saquon Barkley.
You're welcome, my friend. We are in the running for Superbowl wins 6 and 7 over the next two years, so enjoy Saquon Barkley.😉😄
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Phantom255x on October 30, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
Niner fan here. Thank you very much.

This trade means we are now in the running for Saquon Barkley.
You're welcome, my friend. We are in the running for Superbowl wins 6 and 7 over the next two years, so enjoy Saquon Barkley.😉😄

I'm a Pats fan.. but I want Saquon Barkley too  :(
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Phantom255x on October 30, 2017, 11:54:44 PM
CONSPIRACY THEORY:

- Patriots trade JG10 for a 2018 2nd rounder

- Patriots re-sign JG10 either this offseason, OR in 2019 (since he gets franchised by SF in 2018).

Oh man that would be awesome  ;D

OTHERWISE, I have no clue why this move was made and wonder if someone slipped something into Belichick's drink or something...  ???  :P

Anyways, SIGN KAP!
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: SparzWizard on October 31, 2017, 12:09:38 AM
CONSPIRACY THEORY:

- Patriots trade JG10 for a 2018 2nd rounder

- Patriots re-sign JG10 either this offseason, OR in 2019 (since he gets franchised by SF in 2018).

Oh man that would be awesome  ;D

OTHERWISE, I have no clue why this move was made and wonder if someone slipped something into Belichick's drink or something...  ???  :P

Anyways, SIGN KAP!

Another reason to hate the Patriots...because of Kap right  ;D
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 31, 2017, 01:42:53 AM
Niner fan here. Thank you very much.

This trade means we are now in the running for Saquon Barkley.
You're welcome, my friend. We are in the running for Superbowl wins 6 and 7 over the next two years, so enjoy Saquon Barkley.😉😄

I'm a Pats fan.. but I want Saquon Barkley too  :(
Hot take alert!

Barkley is overrated.

Josh Adams and the kid from Stanford are both better.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: kozlodoev on October 31, 2017, 02:30:17 AM
CONSPIRACY THEORY:

- Patriots trade JG10 for a 2018 2nd rounder

- Patriots re-sign JG10 either this offseason, OR in 2019 (since he gets franchised by SF in 2018).

Oh man that would be awesome  ;D

OTHERWISE, I have no clue why this move was made and wonder if someone slipped something into Belichick's drink or something...  ???  :P

Anyways, SIGN KAP!

Another reason to hate the Patriots...because of Kap right  ;D
Meh. The 49ers released Hoyer, so bar someone claiming him he's probably coming back here.

Also, according to Schefter, the move was made because the team and the player were far apart on contract details and it was the best the Patriots could do right now. They gambled and lost I guess.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Csfan1984 on October 31, 2017, 05:59:51 AM
Lol sign Kap to screw with league for more pay back.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: A Future of Stevens on October 31, 2017, 06:39:50 AM
Niner fan here. Thank you very much.

This trade means we are now in the running for Saquon Barkley.

Hey I hope you guys don't win a game either, but I'm curious as to why you think this helps you with those odds. Trading an early second round pick for Jimmy G makes you less likely if anything to get Saquan.

Edit: Unless you mean you don't need a QB, so its all about Saquan. Then I'm with you haha.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on October 31, 2017, 08:50:11 AM
Niner fan here. Thank you very much.

This trade means we are now in the running for Saquon Barkley.

Hey I hope you guys don't win a game either, but I'm curious as to why you think this helps you with those odds. Trading an early second round pick for Jimmy G makes you less likely if anything to get Saquan.

Jimmy G might not play for another 2 weeks, that could easily put us to 0-10. And even if we play him, the O-Line in front of him is still suspect that he might not have a good showing.

We should still be in line for a top pick, maybe the top, and with Garropolo on board, that tells me that we won't draft a QB for that pick anymore, and instead use it to maybe reinforce the line.

Unless of course, Saquon Barkley is available, that should be a no brainer. Kid is special.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: kozlodoev on October 31, 2017, 12:27:15 PM
http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/bill-belichick-addresses-why-patriots-traded-jimmy-garoppolo

Wow. The only other time I've heard Bill talk about a player like this is when they had to trade Wilfork.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: nickagneta on October 31, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/bill-belichick-addresses-why-patriots-traded-jimmy-garoppolo

Wow. The only other time I've heard Bill talk about a player like this is when they had to trade Wilfork.
High praise by Belichick.

Obviously Bill didn't want to get into the financial implications of the trade by declining questions.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garrapolo
Post by: kozlodoev on October 31, 2017, 02:03:19 PM
http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/bill-belichick-addresses-why-patriots-traded-jimmy-garoppolo

Wow. The only other time I've heard Bill talk about a player like this is when they had to trade Wilfork.
High praise by Belichick.

Obviously Bill didn't want to get into the financial implications of the trade by declining questions.
I think it's pretty clear that the team couldn't afford to pay him $20+ million. I'm guessing they offered something closer to Brady's number ($14 million next season), but Garoppolo didn't bite. Can't really blame him, but it's disappointing because he looked like he could be the next great thing.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garoppolo
Post by: Roy H. on October 31, 2017, 08:26:40 PM
The Browns offered their 2nd and 3rd for AJ McCarron. The deal was agreed to, but submitted late.

Why not make that same offer for Jimmy G? 
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garoppolo
Post by: nickagneta on October 31, 2017, 08:33:14 PM
The Browns offered their 2nd and 3rd for AJ McCarron. The deal was agreed to, but submitted late.

Why not make that same offer for Jimmy G?
Peter King on WEEI this afternoon theorized that the front office of the Patriots respected Jimmy G so much they decided they wouldn't trade him to the pit of a franchise that the Browns are.

Title: Re: Patriots trade Garoppolo
Post by: Roy H. on October 31, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
The Browns offered their 2nd and 3rd for AJ McCarron. The deal was agreed to, but submitted late.

Why not make that same offer for Jimmy G?
Peter King on WEEI this afternoon theorized that the front office of the Patriots respected Jimmy G so much they decided they wouldn't trade him to the pit of a franchise that the Browns are.

Interesting. Does that make Bill Belichick less ruthless / more sentimental than Ainge?

Itís an interesting debate: do you always take max value in trade, or do you look out for your players to maintain relationships?
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garoppolo
Post by: nickagneta on October 31, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
The Browns offered their 2nd and 3rd for AJ McCarron. The deal was agreed to, but submitted late.

Why not make that same offer for Jimmy G?
Peter King on WEEI this afternoon theorized that the front office of the Patriots respected Jimmy G so much they decided they wouldn't trade him to the pit of a franchise that the Browns are.

Interesting. Does that make Bill Belichick less ruthless / more sentimental than Ainge?

Itís an interesting debate: do you always take max value in trade, or do you look out for your players to maintain relationships?
Good questions.

I think Belichick is still the most ruthless, "what's best for business" GM in sports.

As for the second question, I think it depends on the quality of the player and agent.
Title: Re: Patriots trade Garoppolo
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 31, 2017, 09:45:32 PM
The Browns offered their 2nd and 3rd for AJ McCarron. The deal was agreed to, but submitted late.

Why not make that same offer for Jimmy G?
Peter King on WEEI this afternoon theorized that the front office of the Patriots respected Jimmy G so much they decided they wouldn't trade him to the pit of a franchise that the Browns are.

If this is true, it shows what Belichick thought of Jamie Collins.

I think the 35th pick (or so) is an ok return. We won't know until draft day, as the pick could be moved for a player and/or other picks.

They weren't going to pay Jimmy G. I sure hope the 2nd rounder has a high impact, and I hope they come up w a decent insurance option at QB.