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Title: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on October 27, 2017, 01:05:47 PM
Could someone point me to a stats that shows the average days of rest the opponent of each team has before they meet...?

I just checked the number of days of rest of each one of our opponents for the rest of 2017 (until Dec 31st) and it appears that for more than about 2/3 of the time our opponents have 2 days of rest, they are relaxing at home or at the hotel watching us play on TV and preparing their game plan before meeting us...!!! This is INSANE!! So unfair!!!!

I want to know if every team has stretches like that in the calendar?
Does this trend reverse itself in 2018 (didn't have time to check manually...)

I did this quick search as I was p---ed that the Bucks got to watch us battle Cleveland in the comfort of their room (home or hotel) for our first meeting, and noticed they again were off for 2 days before our game yesterday, meaning they got to watch us again play (against the knicks) while they were comfy, resting and preparing for us!!

Please let me know if their is a place i can quickly access such stats, I got that strange feeling we are getting the short end of the stick here....
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 27, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
Rest days should be going up because of the earlier start date, but they should be going up across the board.

On average we'll have virtually the exact same amount of rest as our opponents, even if it's (possibly) lopsided now. Don't forget we just had 3 days off before the Knicks game.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 27, 2017, 01:32:38 PM
I thought it was awesome how the NBA started the Celtics off with a back-to-back on the first two days of the season. I still don't understand why those can't be eliminated.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: wdleehi on October 27, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
So does that mean the Celtics have more rest built in the 2nd half of the season?


Which is the way I would want it.   More rest as the teams prepares for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: CelticD on October 27, 2017, 01:37:42 PM
I thought it was awesome how the NBA started the Celtics off with a back-to-back on the first two days of the season. I still don't understand why those can't be eliminated.

They actually kicked off the season with 3 games in 4 nights. That's ridiculous considering they were coming off a 4-game preseason. 
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Surferdad on October 27, 2017, 01:42:13 PM
but they won the game, on enemy court, short-handed...so not sure what such stats would prove...
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 27, 2017, 01:42:40 PM
I thought it was awesome how the NBA started the Celtics off with a back-to-back on the first two days of the season. I still don't understand why those can't be eliminated.

Almost impossible to do without the entire league only playing on certain days of the week.

And as wdleehi said I'd greatly prefer less rest early in the season and more days off later than the other way around.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on October 27, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
I thought it was awesome how the NBA started the Celtics off with a back-to-back on the first two days of the season. I still don't understand why those can't be eliminated.

Almost impossible to do without the entire league only playing on certain days of the week.

And as wdleehi said I'd greatly prefer less rest early in the season and more days off later than the other way around.

My point is not really about rest itself per se, but more about having an opportunity to watch your opponent play before you get to play against them.

In theory, lets say all 30 teams might have 3 to 5 such occurrences of having 3+ days of rest.
Why would it always be when those teams are playing the Celtics that they magically get one of those 3 to 5 occurrences of extra rest?? 
We got one of our own against New York. We got 3+ days, enough time to rest, watch them play on tv, prepare for them... (not that we needed it to beat the weak knicks). But if several other opponents of the knicks gets such extended rest before playing against them i would understand if the knicks would complain... And here it is the case for us during the next couple of months!!
I'm curious about checking the Lakers opponents days of rest... I get the feeling LAL will have a lot of opponents that are on the second night of a back to back when playing them...
Hope i'm wrong but worth looking into...
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on October 27, 2017, 02:05:39 PM
but they won the game, on enemy court, short-handed...so not sure what such stats would prove...

Doesn't prove anything for that one game.
just that it's not fair for us to always be playing against a team that had 2+ days of rest and got to watch us play on tv before stepping on the court against us... Just happening too many times over the next couple of months for my liking!
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: BitterJim on October 27, 2017, 02:14:48 PM
So does that mean the Celtics have more rest built in the 2nd half of the season?


Which is the way I would want it.   More rest as the teams prepares for the playoffs.

More practices for Hayward to (potentially) take part in (either playing or in more of a coaching/mentor role)
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 27, 2017, 03:09:52 PM
I thought it was awesome how the NBA started the Celtics off with a back-to-back on the first two days of the season. I still don't understand why those can't be eliminated.

Almost impossible to do without the entire league only playing on certain days of the week.

And as wdleehi said I'd greatly prefer less rest early in the season and more days off later than the other way around.

My point is not really about rest itself per se, but more about having an opportunity to watch your opponent play before you get to play against them.

In theory, lets say all 30 teams might have 3 to 5 such occurrences of having 3+ days of rest.
Why would it always be when those teams are playing the Celtics that they magically get one of those 3 to 5 occurrences of extra rest?? 
We got one of our own against New York. We got 3+ days, enough time to rest, watch them play on tv, prepare for them... (not that we needed it to beat the weak knicks). But if several other opponents of the knicks gets such extended rest before playing against them i would understand if the knicks would complain... And here it is the case for us during the next couple of months!!
I'm curious about checking the Lakers opponents days of rest... I get the feeling LAL will have a lot of opponents that are on the second night of a back to back when playing them...
Hope i'm wrong but worth looking into...

Before alleging some kind of vague shadiness why not look and see if that's actually the case? 

Every team's playing 82 games over almost exactly the same number of days (some teams have their first/last game a day or two off the rest). So they're going to have almost exactly the same number of days off during that period. Teams with more long stretches of rest will have more back-to-backs or single days off. It's mathematically inevitable. And it's extremely unlikely there'll be any major differences in how rested teams' opponents are on average.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on October 29, 2017, 02:50:58 AM
I thought it was awesome how the NBA started the Celtics off with a back-to-back on the first two days of the season. I still don't understand why those can't be eliminated.

Almost impossible to do without the entire league only playing on certain days of the week.

And as wdleehi said I'd greatly prefer less rest early in the season and more days off later than the other way around.

My point is not really about rest itself per se, but more about having an opportunity to watch your opponent play before you get to play against them.

In theory, lets say all 30 teams might have 3 to 5 such occurrences of having 3+ days of rest.
Why would it always be when those teams are playing the Celtics that they magically get one of those 3 to 5 occurrences of extra rest?? 
We got one of our own against New York. We got 3+ days, enough time to rest, watch them play on tv, prepare for them... (not that we needed it to beat the weak knicks). But if several other opponents of the knicks gets such extended rest before playing against them i would understand if the knicks would complain... And here it is the case for us during the next couple of months!!
I'm curious about checking the Lakers opponents days of rest... I get the feeling LAL will have a lot of opponents that are on the second night of a back to back when playing them...
Hope i'm wrong but worth looking into...

Before alleging some kind of vague shadiness why not look and see if that's actually the case? 

Every team's playing 82 games over almost exactly the same number of days (some teams have their first/last game a day or two off the rest). So they're going to have almost exactly the same number of days off during that period. Teams with more long stretches of rest will have more back-to-backs or single days off. It's mathematically inevitable. And it's extremely unlikely there'll be any major differences in how rested teams' opponents are on average.

Your mathematical assumption is not right my friend...

It's not about everyone playing the same amount of games over the same period, its about being the team that catches opponents on a second night of a back to back more often or being the team that goes against a well rested team more often....

I did dig around and found some numbers showing that one team will play twice (2 times only) against a team resting for 3 days and another team will play 11 times against a team resting for 3 days...
(https://www.nbastuffer.com/2017-2018-nba-schedule-rest-days-analysis/)

THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

Maybe like you said other factors will compensate this stat (less B2B for that team for example) but the fact is you can find teams that are "less lucky" when it comes to the reg season schedule..
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Somebody on October 29, 2017, 04:21:28 AM
As long as we don't have any serious injuries and don't wear out our guys we'll be fine, I'm predicting around 56 wins for us this season. GO CELTICS!
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 23, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/933784891866734592?s=17

This is what im referring to!!

While we were battling the Mavs in OT, the heat were home for 3 days pretty much going back to preseason mode specifically to get this high profile win against us...

Its not just they have time to rest but more about they have time to study us and prepare... about 10 of our opponrnts so far had 1 extra day to study us and prepare... (including GSW)

Its truly insane that were able to put that great run of 16 in row in spite of that fact.

Despite the heat going full training camp preparation and ud not even having a chance to do 1 practice since the NYK game, we still almost came back and they needed a lucky bounce to beat us... (even if they deserved it...)

Now lets add 2 players and get to the finals!
1) a low post scoring threat, double double machine...
2) a deadly 3pt shooting specialist
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Roy H. on November 23, 2017, 04:06:50 PM
While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 23, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Roy H. on November 23, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.


Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: SparzWizard on November 23, 2017, 06:23:50 PM
I mean there's nothing we can do. The NBA schedules them not us lol.

It's amazing that we were able to win 16 games in a row, 5 or 6 minutes right after Gordon Hayward made his Celtics debut and he is out for the year, forcing the C's to adjust right on the spot and reroute their ship.

No excuses. The C's didn't execute well enough last night, especially the bench and Horford. Even then, they came within 1 in South Beach before Dion Waiters went for the kill.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 23, 2017, 07:12:38 PM
While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wife open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

I agree with you Roy, this is quite embarrassing!

I do believe in law of averages and have seen enough of their games to know none of them are intrinsically that bad (question mark in Smart though, lol).

They are young, let's give them time they will figure it out.
Almost all players go through tough patches shooting the ball...

Its true its ackward all of them doing it at the same time.

If you remember, we were arguing in another thread about this year vs last year celtics team, and i anticipated this year team to be better defensively and on the board (hope you agree with me know) but did acknowledged shooting as being the potential issue... so i can say we agree on that part, despite brown being better than i anticipated....
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: mobilija on November 23, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

Hahaha Rozier is the best of the bunch!

But seriously, this is cherry picking a bit. This isn't a bench unit that plays together. I'm surprised you didn't add Yabu to your list. I bet if u put Baynes, Theis and Morris up there it wouldn't look so bad. What I do notice about your list is that they are all young guys....
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 23, 2017, 11:35:03 PM
While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

4 guys on rookie contracts and 1 who just got back to the NBA. I wonder why they are struggling.

Seriously, the growing pains are difficult, but the system is built to support the young players as they develop.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 24, 2017, 11:14:41 PM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 25, 2017, 12:59:11 AM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 25, 2017, 01:46:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 25, 2017, 01:50:18 AM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 25, 2017, 03:37:24 AM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 25, 2017, 07:31:29 AM
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He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

CBS has to play the guys on the roster.   I don't think he is enamored of all our players.   You can clearly read disgust on his face from time to time.  He is a classy guy who doesn't rip or blame players when we lose.

I think the main he expects is an effort.   I have seen him yank guy who dogged it on D at times.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 25, 2017, 09:08:35 AM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...
you clearly dont, because the law of averages say that he sucks as a shooter.

Its not like 2+ years is a small sample size. He was inefficient at Louisville too. Its not like this is some 2 weeks slump. He sucked shooting it as a rookie. He sucked shooting it last year and he is sucking again.

He has made big jumpers and so has Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart also sucks at shooting. There isnt anything you can do to convince me that Terry is a good shooter, because there is close to 0 evidence that he is one.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 25, 2017, 04:07:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...
you clearly dont, because the law of averages say that he sucks as a shooter.

Its not like 2+ years is a small sample size. He was inefficient at Louisville too. Its not like this is some 2 weeks slump. He sucked shooting it as a rookie. He sucked shooting it last year and he is sucking again.

He has made big jumpers and so has Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart also sucks at shooting. There isnt anything you can do to convince me that Terry is a good shooter, because there is close to 0 evidence that he is one.
I remember the same being said of Avery...
I ve seen Rozier training videos. I believe in his hard work and ability to shoot...

Anyways, here is the deal, you seat back, relax, and enjoy watching Rozier make you eat back those words, and hopefully you will be man enough to come back here and admit you were wrong about this : YOU not trusting his ability from what YOU have seen and heard, doesnt mean WE can not trust the amount of proofs WE have seen and heard....

And by law of averages i meant believing that rozier is more than a 23% 3pt shooter... 
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 28, 2017, 12:42:18 AM
https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/935370552885366785?s=17

This is astonishing!!

Would be surprised if any other team in the NBA has any DEADLY stretch like this.... ever??

And for us to still be leading the nba after this is mind boggling to me!!

When i first wrote this earlier in the season, i was guessing we would at best be a .500 team through those 14 games...

Impressive!!
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: nickagneta on November 28, 2017, 12:55:44 AM
https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/935370552885366785?s=17

This is astonishing!!

Would be surprised if any other team in the NBA has any DEADLY stretch like this.... ever??

And for us to still be leading the nba after this is mind boggling to me!!

When i first wrote this earlier in the season, i was guessing we would at best be a .500 team through those 14 games...

Impressive!!
It will all even out in the end. The fact that all teams play 82 games in the same amount of time pretty much proves that. The Celts have been through a tough stretch. They will go through their easy stretch too. I guarantee that.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 28, 2017, 08:23:57 AM
Yeah, I think the 3rd game in 4 days had something to do with the slow defensive rotations and lack of aggression last night.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on November 28, 2017, 10:00:30 AM
https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/935370552885366785?s=17

This is astonishing!!

Would be surprised if any other team in the NBA has any DEADLY stretch like this.... ever??

And for us to still be leading the nba after this is mind boggling to me!!

When i first wrote this earlier in the season, i was guessing we would at best be a .500 team through those 14 games...

Impressive!!
It will all even out in the end. The fact that all teams play 82 games in the same amount of time pretty much proves that. The Celts have been through a tough stretch. They will go through their easy stretch too. I guarantee that.

Not really!!!!
We are getting screwed because of that game in London!! We get a long break for travelling back and forth and because of that [dang] game we have to suffer some of the harshest scheduling I have seen!!!! 14 games straight of never having more rest than the opposing team is crushing!!
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on December 22, 2017, 12:56:47 AM
Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Somebody on December 22, 2017, 06:36:14 AM
Just means we'll be more rested for the playoffs, where it really matters.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 22, 2017, 07:12:14 AM
All these NYC-born commissioners hate us because they ain't us.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: Moranis on December 22, 2017, 08:58:12 AM
Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff
Yeah, but you can't lose a game to the Knicks when Porzingis shoots 0-11 and scores 1 point.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: mmmmm on December 22, 2017, 10:47:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...
you clearly dont, because the law of averages say that he sucks as a shooter.

Its not like 2+ years is a small sample size. He was inefficient at Louisville too. Its not like this is some 2 weeks slump. He sucked shooting it as a rookie. He sucked shooting it last year and he is sucking again.

He has made big jumpers and so has Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart also sucks at shooting. There isnt anything you can do to convince me that Terry is a good shooter, because there is close to 0 evidence that he is one.
I remember the same being said of Avery...

You may remember stuff, and maybe dumb stuff was said of Avery, but that has nothing to do with truth.  Avery has fundamentally always been a good shooter.   He was lauded for his shooting stroke form coming out of high school.   Since he became a pro, the _only_ seasons he has failed to shoot at least 35% from 3PT range were

a) His rookie season when he got no playing time and only shot 5 total 3s for the entire season.   Note that he shot 37% in his extended run with the Maine Red Claws.

b) His 3rd season when he was coming back from double shoulder surgery.  He struggled badly in his first two months back, but shot fairly well (above 34%) in the last 6 or so weeks of that season.

Other than those two samples, Avery has shot 35.2% or higher and he's shot 39% or higher in 4 of his 8 seasons.
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I ve seen Rozier training videos. I believe in his hard work and ability to shoot...

Anyways, here is the deal, you seat back, relax, and enjoy watching Rozier make you eat back those words, and hopefully you will be man enough to come back here and admit you were wrong about this : YOU not trusting his ability from what YOU have seen and heard, doesnt mean WE can not trust the amount of proofs WE have seen and heard....

And by law of averages i meant believing that rozier is more than a 23% 3pt shooter...
Rozier may end up being a fine shooter.  I personally think his basic form is fine and most of his problems is pace. 

But "believing" is not "law of averages".   Please don't conflate these things.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: drogbagarnett on December 22, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff
Yeah, but you can't lose a game to the Knicks when Porzingis shoots 0-11 and scores 1 point.
Obviously you can.
Those are NBA players.
Resting and preparing sunce Monday.
While we played 3 games and traveled.
Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: mmmmm on December 22, 2017, 01:23:24 PM
Again,
The Knicks were off since Monday and we played last night...
Im surprised we were able to hang with them for so long...
All this because of that [dang] London game... pfff
Yeah, but you can't lose a game to the Knicks when Porzingis shoots 0-11 and scores 1 point.

Probably doesn't help when you happen to be missing your starting SG who (a) is your second leading scorer and (b) arguably your best-on-ball defender that (c) likely would have been guarding Beasley.

Title: Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
Post by: liam on December 22, 2017, 01:43:59 PM
While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

Hahaha Rozier is the best of the bunch!

But seriously, this is cherry picking a bit. This isn't a bench unit that plays together. I'm surprised you didn't add Yabu to your list. I bet if u put Baynes, Theis and Morris up there it wouldn't look so bad. What I do notice about your list is that they are all young guys....

I think Rozier takes more shots than all those other players combined...