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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Ogaju on October 21, 2017, 01:09:57 PM
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There is wide speculation on this blog that Danny's goal is or should be getting Davis, and that ultimately Davis is the biggest prize in the NBA. I have posted that I do not see Davis as this transcendent player. He has not led his team to a deep run in the playoffs so far in his career. I also posted that the Celtics should probably be concerned about the Bucks, this was largely because of Giannis. Why the fascination with Davis and not much talk about Giannis a player that I think is much better?
So what does the blog think. You are starting a team for the future, who do you take first Giannis or Davis?
I will take Giannis. He just plays with more fire and intensity. I remember the All-Star game where all the others were horsing around and he was dunking furiously. This guy has Kobe type intensity.
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Nah, I'd rather have Kelly Olynyk.
I'd be ok with either the Greek Freak or AD.
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What's there to talk about with him? Greek freak is not available and is never going to be available for trade. Anthony davis is more likely to be available.
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We’re not getting either in all likelihood. Need to draft someone who can defend them. Particularly GF. That Nets pick might have been the guy.
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Milwaukee isn't trading Giannis. Their team is on the upswing and he seems happy. They've actually made solid moves around him.
On the flipside, New Orleans very likely misses the playoffs and will have to max Demarcus next offseason even though they're already flirting with the hard cap. It's far more likely Davis sees the writing on the wall and asks out at some point.
And I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion that Davis isn't a transcendent talent. Dudes a beast. He's improved every season. He's gotten the Pelicans to the playoffs in the West without top notch talent, consistent coaching, or sound front office decisions. You put him on a team like San Antonio, Boston, or even Milwaukee, he's making deep playoff runs every season.
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Antetokounmpo.
Anteto
Kounm
Po
Never gonna happen.
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There's a scenario that plays out where Giannis gets unhappy. If everything went perfect, they would be contenders.
However...
Parker has serious injury concerns.
Middleton is good not great (more like the 4-5 best player on a great team, not the 2-3).
Maker is a decent role player, but only good not great.
Brogdon is good not great.
Henson, Monroe, and Teletovic are decent but all have drawbacks.
Snell is basically Iman Shumpert.
How high is Wilson's upside?
This is a team that is capped out, and they will likely reach their ceiling this year. They have serious shooting limitations and a stagnant offense.
Their defensive potential is elite, but I'm not sure they can consistently rely on Giannis to be elite offensively and the anchor the defensive without help.
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It seems that the blog consensus is that Giannis will not be available. I understand that, what I do not understand is the idea that Davis will be available.
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It seems that the blog consensus is that Giannis will not be available. I understand that, what I do not understand is the idea that Davis will be available.
why is that hard to understand? Are the pelicans a winning team? Are they full of headcases? stars get traded and moved every year. Its called being hopeful
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Antetokounmpo.
Anteto
Kounm
Po
Never gonna happen.
Yeah, really - per forum rules, I get that we aren't supposed to point out spelling/grammatical errors, but names are entirely different. If the OP isn't going to make the correction, it would be appreciated if a mod did. That isn't even remotely close.
As for the premise of the thread, any Giannis trade is completely off the table. I agree that AD is much more obtainable than Giannis - and I am okay with that. Just got to get through this year and then re-evaluate the situation.
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Antetokounmpo.
Anteto
Kounm
Po
Never gonna happen.
Yeah, really - per forum rules, I get that we aren't supposed to point out spelling/grammatical errors, but names are entirely different. If the OP isn't going to make the correction, it would be appreciated if a mod did. That isn't even remotely close.
As for the premise of the thread, any Giannis trade is completely off the table. I agree that AD is much more obtainable than Giannis - and I am okay with that. Just got to get through this year and then re-evaluate the situation.
Oh, was he correcting my spelling? I did not realize that. Giannis' last name is actually Adetokunbo or Adetokunboh...it is a Yoruba name. His parents are Yoruba. He is Yoruba by blood. When he was first discovered by scouts he went by Adetokunbo. I have not bothered to research how the name morphed into a greek version but my spelling of his Yoruba name does not need to be corrected.
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Antetokounmpo.
Anteto
Kounm
Po
Never gonna happen.
Yeah, really - per forum rules, I get that we aren't supposed to point out spelling/grammatical errors, but names are entirely different. If the OP isn't going to make the correction, it would be appreciated if a mod did. That isn't even remotely close.
As for the premise of the thread, any Giannis trade is completely off the table. I agree that AD is much more obtainable than Giannis - and I am okay with that. Just got to get through this year and then re-evaluate the situation.
Oh, was he correcting my spelling? I did not realize that. Giannis' last name is actually Adetokunbo or Adetokunboh...it is a Yoruba name. His parents are Yoruba. He is Yoruba by blood. When he was first discovered by scouts he went by Adetokunbo. I have not bothered to research how the name morphed into a greek version but my spelling of his Yoruba name does not need to be corrected.
I, the correcter, stand corrected. But why not just use the name on his jersey? That's his NBA name.
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Antetokounmpo.
Anteto
Kounm
Po
Never gonna happen.
Yeah, really - per forum rules, I get that we aren't supposed to point out spelling/grammatical errors, but names are entirely different. If the OP isn't going to make the correction, it would be appreciated if a mod did. That isn't even remotely close.
As for the premise of the thread, any Giannis trade is completely off the table. I agree that AD is much more obtainable than Giannis - and I am okay with that. Just got to get through this year and then re-evaluate the situation.
Oh, was he correcting my spelling? I did not realize that. Giannis' last name is actually Adetokunbo or Adetokunboh...it is a Yoruba name. His parents are Yoruba. He is Yoruba by blood. When he was first discovered by scouts he went by Adetokunbo. I have not bothered to research how the name morphed into a greek version but my spelling of his Yoruba name does not need to be corrected.
I, the correcter, stand corrected. But why not just use the name on his jersey? That's his NBA name.
lol .... the Yoruba version is easier for me to spell.
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Antetokounmpo.
Anteto
Kounm
Po
Never gonna happen.
Yeah, really - per forum rules, I get that we aren't supposed to point out spelling/grammatical errors, but names are entirely different. If the OP isn't going to make the correction, it would be appreciated if a mod did. That isn't even remotely close.
As for the premise of the thread, any Giannis trade is completely off the table. I agree that AD is much more obtainable than Giannis - and I am okay with that. Just got to get through this year and then re-evaluate the situation.
Oh, was he correcting my spelling? I did not realize that. Giannis' last name is actually Adetokunbo or Adetokunboh...it is a Yoruba name. His parents are Yoruba. He is Yoruba by blood. When he was first discovered by scouts he went by Adetokunbo. I have not bothered to research how the name morphed into a greek version but my spelling of his Yoruba name does not need to be corrected.
I, the correcter, stand corrected. But why not just use the name on his jersey? That's his NBA name.
lol .... the Yoruba version is easier for me to spell.
I guess I stand corrected, too, but Antetokounmpo has been his name for the last 5 years in the NBA and it is the only name people know. If the real spelling of his name is what you have in the subject line, it might help to let people know that.
I think I might just have gone over the edge with all of the Gordon 'Haywood' talk from last year. ;D
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slight correction, his father is Yoruba, not so sure about his mother's ethnicity, but she is Nigerian too. Apparently both parents were athletes. Nice athletic genes.
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While there's a slim chance AD ever gets traded, there's still a chance (I'd give it a solid 5-10% chance). Pelicans are bad (worse than Bucks, and in a tougher conference), and after this season, AD will have just 2 years left on his deal.
They traded for Cousins last season as sort of a last ditch effort to build something big around Davis, and while there's still time to see if it will work, so far it hasn't and they've been inconsistent. But apparently AD was getting frustrated around the All Star Break last year with the Pelicans, but it got better when they traded for Cousins (pretty interesting to look at).
We can hope Davis gets frustrated and demands out (sort of like how Kyrie did last summer), but I'd say we have a shot if Pelicans are BAD, Cousins leaves (via trade at deadline or walks next summer), and supporting cast continues to play relatively poorly.
Meanwhile, there's just a <1% chance for the Greek Freak. Bucks are looking pretty good (Top-5 team in East), and remember, the Greek Freak just signed an extension for 4 years/100M, and is in just the first year of that right now.
I agree with @footey that it's likely we come away with neither, but if there's hope for any and I had to put my $$$ on it, I would say Davis, and between Giannis or Davis, I mean you can't go wrong with either. :P
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There is wide speculation on this blog that Danny's goal is or should be getting Davis, and that ultimately Davis is the biggest prize in the NBA. I have posted that I do not see Davis as this transcendent player. He has not led his team to a deep run in the playoffs so far in his career. I also posted that the Celtics should probably be concerned about the Bucks, this was largely because of Giannis. Why the fascination with Davis and not much talk about Giannis a player that I think is much better?
So what does the blog think. You are starting a team for the future, who do you take first Giannis or Davis?
I will take Giannis. He just plays with more fire and intensity. I remember the All-Star game where all the others were horsing around and he was dunking furiously. This guy has Kobe type intensity.
I would still take Davis, to be honest.
I can totally understand why some people would go the other way, but I just see Giannis as a wing, and I think there are too many good wings in this league (Lebron, Paul George, Kevin Durant, Kawhi, Wiggins, Butler, Derozan, Hayward, etc) such that having a guy like Giannis doesn't necessarily give you as much of an edge over your opponent as Anthony Davis does given the general lack of elite two-way talent in this league at the big positions.
I mean really, as far as elite two-way bigs go, how many are there in this league right now? You basically have Davis, Cousins and Embiid (if the latter can stay healthy) who are IMHO by far the three best PROPER bigs in this league. Everybody else IMHO is a clear class or two below.
I'm not sure if AD necessarily has the aggressive mentality that it takes to be THE MAN who carries a team offensively, but if you can put him on a team that already has a guy who is a clear clear alpha-dog, pure scorer and closer (like IT4, Kyrie, Westbrook, Durant) then I think you have the foundation of an elite basketball team.
I think of Anthony Davis as being a of an Al Horford type (in terms of personality, not game) in that he's generally a nice guy, a quiet guy, an unselfish guy - not sure he has enough "nasty" in him to be a true leader.
But basketball is all about winning matchups, and if you have Anthony Davis up front then you are going to win the big many matchup on 90% of days pretty much as a given. On the other hand if you have Giannis, there are still a lot of teams out there who can potentially win that matchup on the wing on any given night.