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Title: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: Eddie20 on October 20, 2017, 12:40:58 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.

Also take note that these breakdowns all occurred in the 4Q of a close game.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense.gif?w=640)
Semi tried to “show”… which, in a pick-and roll, is when the screener’s defender pops out to slow down the ballhandler. You “show him your numbers”… which mean you are up in his face and you prevent him from making a play long enough for his defender to get back into the mix. The show did nothing. Delly dribbled around it. Semi and Rozier get mixed up and Giannis is doing a chin up on the rim.



(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-offense-2.gif?w=640)
Things didn’t get much better for Ojeleye on offense. Watch Kyrie Irving bring the ball up and wave Semi out to where he’s supposed to be. Semi’s confused about where he’s supposed to be. His point guard is waving him out of the spot. Then, he runs to the opposite corner, where Jaylen Brown is already standing. You don’t need to be a basketball expert to know two teammates standing in the same corner is bad. Luckily a foul on Giannis stopped the play.



(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-offense-3.gif?w=640)
Here, Semi tries to read what’s happening and cut. He does it twice… both times thinking “my defender has turned his head, time to cut to the basket.” The ball is dumped into Smart in the post, Baynes sets the pick, and Kyrie was curling off that. The goal, it seemed was to have Jaylen Brown occupying a defender in the corner, Ojeleye on the high-opposite wing, and then see if Smart could find Kyrie curling around the pick and down the lane. When Ojeleye cut, though, it pulled Jaylen’s man into the lane. When Kyrie came around the pick, all five Bucks are suddenly in the lane. Amazingly, skinny Marcus split a lazy double team and drew a foul. Otherwise, the spacing turned into a horrible mess.



(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-offense.gif?w=640)
Here, Semi did it again…Coaches like to say “once you see the back of your defender’s head, you cut.” However, players have to see the whole play. Yes, Giannis turned his head and wasn’t looking, but was your point guard aware of this? No, he wasn’t. He was running a pick and roll with Baynes, who rolled to the basket at the same time. Now, two Celtics and three Bucks are in a very confined space. Semi has to pop back out to the corner just so Kyrie can reset the play. Kyrie ended up getting blocked out of bounds but the cut took away options for the Celtics as they tried to hold onto a lead.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: PhoSita on October 20, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense.gif?w=640)
Semi tried to “show”… which, in a pick-and roll, is when the screener’s defender pops out to slow down the ballhandler. You “show him your numbers”… which mean you are up in his face and you prevent him from making a play long enough for his defender to get back into the mix. The show did nothing. Delly dribbled around it. Semi and Rozier get mixed up and Giannis is doing a chin up on the rim.



(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-offense-2.gif?w=640)
Things didn’t get much better for Ojeleye on offense. Watch Kyrie Irving bring the ball up and wave Semi out to where he’s supposed to be. Semi’s confused about where he’s supposed to be. His point guard is waving him out of the spot. Then, he runs to the opposite corner, where Jaylen Brown is already standing. You don’t need to be a basketball expert to know two teammates standing in the same corner is bad. Luckily a foul on Giannis stopped the play.



(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-offense-3.gif?w=640)
Here, Semi tries to read what’s happening and cut. He does it twice… both times thinking “my defender has turned his head, time to cut to the basket.” The ball is dumped into Smart in the post, Baynes sets the pick, and Kyrie was curling off that. The goal, it seemed was to have Jaylen Brown occupying a defender in the corner, Ojeleye on the high-opposite wing, and then see if Smart could find Kyrie curling around the pick and down the lane. When Ojeleye cut, though, it pulled Jaylen’s man into the lane. When Kyrie came around the pick, all five Bucks are suddenly in the lane. Amazingly, skinny Marcus split a lazy double team and drew a foul. Otherwise, the spacing turned into a horrible mess.



(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-offense.gif?w=640)
Here, Semi did it again…Coaches like to say “once you see the back of your defender’s head, you cut.” However, players have to see the whole play. Yes, Giannis turned his head and wasn’t looking, but was your point guard aware of this? No, he wasn’t. He was running a pick and roll with Baynes, who rolled to the basket at the same time. Now, two Celtics and three Bucks are in a very confined space. Semi has to pop back out to the corner just so Kyrie can reset the play. Kyrie ended up getting blocked out of bounds but the cut took away options for the Celtics as they tried to hold onto a lead.



I don't think the goal of the team was to "win now," at least not entirely.

Prior to the Hayward injury, I think the goal of the team was to be as competitive as possible in the near term -- ideally competing closely with Cleveland if knocking them off -- while also trying to develop players to be even better (and contend for a title) in the future.

I think the moves this summer were made with the idea that the team should try to put together a contending core group in the near term, but also recognize that beating the Warriors this season was not going to be possible.


All of that is why I think it's understandable that the back end of the roster is a bunch of younger, unproven players.


With that said, I kind of agree with you that we have a lot of youth in guys like Rozier, Brown, and Tatum.  The fact that there are hardly any established vets at the back end of the roster to step in and play simple, clearly defined roles in the event of injury or young guys struggling is a problem.  We see that now that there was a major injury to one of the top guys on the team -- there's just not very much experienced depth behind them.  That's a big problem for the team because now they have to give significant minutes to players with no track record of success at the NBA level.

However, the team isn't going anywhere this year regardless, now that Hayward is out, so it's not that big a deal.  They'll win fewer games than they would if they had several vet minimum guys to play back-end roles, but they may develop a couple future contributors, like they did with Rozier his first couple years in the league.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 20, 2017, 01:02:07 PM
A detailed breakdown of Ojele --> prime indicator that our season took a drastic turn for the worse.

Rozier looks like a dog chasing cars quite a bit here and elsewhere.  He's just so frieken long and athletic that he can often get away with it, and even make plays on the ball.
Title: So-called "breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: ThePaintedArea on October 20, 2017, 05:44:21 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.

Also take note that these breakdowns all occurred in the 4Q of a close game.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.


Mr. Karalis' analysis (!) is flawed on its face. His claim that Baynes (or "Bayes", whatever) "was in position to slow Delly down" is ludicrous, since he's protecting the rim and would have to leave both his man and the paint open from the top. In any case, if Baynes has got it covered, it's his job to say so, since he's behind Semi. Instead Ojeleye paces Dellavedova down to the low block and keeps him from turning the corner, doing a nifty job of protecting the paint. Bad things happen when bigs have to leave their man, and Semi kept that from happening.

Rozier gets beat badly; his job is to switch, cutting off the paint. Instead he chases Delly from behind, leaving Freak wide open for the pass and penetration.  When he finally does rotate, he overcommits once again, letting Giannis dribble around him.  You can see at the end of the clip that Terry knows how badly he screwed up - he looks up at the ceiling.

Your adding the spurious "constant mental breakdowns" doesn't square with Brad Stevens' post-game praise in particular for Semi's defense.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: chilidawg on October 20, 2017, 06:11:48 PM
He's played what, 10 freaking minutes so far? 
Title: This So-Called "Breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: ThePaintedArea on October 20, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
He's played what, 10 freaking minutes so far?

More, but your point is well taken. Brad has given him a spot in the rotation, and praised his defense after the Milwaukee game.  More importantly, Karalis' analysis is simply mistaken, though; Semi does exactly what he should do in this circumstance.
Title: Re: This So-Called "Breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: gouki88 on October 20, 2017, 06:30:03 PM
He's played what, 10 freaking minutes so far?

More, but your point is well taken. Brad has given him a spot in the rotation, and praised his defense after the Milwaukee game.  More importantly, Karalis' analysis is simply mistaken, though; Semi does exactly what he should do in this circumstance.
Agreed. The analysis is flawed
Title: Re: So-called "breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: Eddie20 on October 20, 2017, 06:59:52 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.

Also take note that these breakdowns all occurred in the 4Q of a close game.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.


Mr. Karalis' analysis (!) is flawed on its face. His claim that Baynes (or "Bayes", whatever) "was in position to slow Delly down" is ludicrous, since he's protecting the rim and would have to leave both his man and the paint open from the top. In any case, if Baynes has got it covered, it's his job to say so, since he's behind Semi. Instead Ojeleye paces Dellavedova down to the low block and keeps him from turning the corner, doing a nifty job of protecting the paint. Bad things happen when bigs have to leave their man, and Semi kept that from happening.

Rozier gets beat badly; his job is to switch, cutting off the paint. Instead he chases Delly from behind, leaving Freak wide open for the pass and penetration.  When he finally does rotate, he overcommits once again, letting Giannis dribble around him.  You can see at the end of the clip that Terry knows how badly he screwed up - he looks up at the ceiling.

Your adding the spurious "constant mental breakdowns" doesn't square with Brad Stevens' post-game praise in particular for Semi's defense.

I agree with the Rozier getting beat badly in his rotation to Giannis, but disagree on the Semi part. Semi really overreacted on that play. He needs to know his teammates and opponents better. What's the point in helping out Rozier on Delly that far away from the hoop? He needs to realize that Delly is not a scoring threat and Rozier has the athleticism to easily recover on the slow footed Delly, especially when Rozier literally has his left arm on Delly's right hip by the 3pt line (pay attention to that detail). There was simply no need to overreact like that to Delly when the player you're covering (Giannis) is one of the best players in the world. Again, that's where the experience of a veteran player would pay dividends. 
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 20, 2017, 07:23:34 PM
He is a rookie, he has all the physical tools to be a great defender.  Strong, some length and a beast of an athlete but he has to learn how to play folks.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: Beat LA on October 21, 2017, 01:01:08 AM
I seem to recall Jaylen Brown being considerably, and consistently, worse, defensively, over the first couple of months, if not the entire first half, of his rookie year despite getting more minutes than Semi will accumulate this season (I'm guessing), but thanks to receiving consistent playing time, Brown became a much better defender as the season progressed including the postseason, which is why it's important to play your youngsters during the year so they at least have a chance to get their feet wet, out there, otherwise, they really will be deer in the headlights out there.  That's not to say that they won't make mistakes, but so do veterans, and that's no reason to not play the young guys, imo, as long as they show that commitment to defense that Semi, well, showed against the Bucks, especially against Giannis.  He didn't go for the Greek Freak's fake and stayed on the ground, and while I would have liked a better contest, given the size disparity, I'm not sure that it would have mattered, anyway, and in terms of switching, he showed that he can really slide his feet, which is great to see.

What's ridiculous is blaming a guy who played 12 whole minutes for the loss against the Bucks.  Give me a break, and I like how he cuts to the basket when his defender's head is turned - not many guys do that, anymore - but beyond that, my favorite part of this "analysis" has to be blaming Semi for what happened on this play, in particular -

(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-offense.gif?w=640)

Should he have stayed in the corner or come closer to Irving?  Sure, but the real problem is Kyrie's complete lack of vision, imo.  He has both Brown and Rozier wide open but instead elects to attempt to shoot over/through a double team in the lane, and the result was, unfortunately, quite predictable. *facepalm*

I'm not saying that Semi is perfect or anything, but really?  Losing our home opener was his fault, and his fault, alone ::)?  Oh well, at least we now have the answer regarding this year's whipping - well, for Eddie20, at least ::) - lol :laugh:.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: rollie mass on October 21, 2017, 04:39:18 AM
The shortened pre season,the number new players , injury to Hayward are the true culprits of the fist two games
-Eddie House has it in for semmi his earlier post have been verbally graphic to the negative 
 He enjoys smearing the rookies it is some form of bullying-
The Celts now have some time off between games and a lot can be accomplished over the next 3-4 days..
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 21, 2017, 06:30:16 AM
I thought Bird last night showed some great defensive awareness for a rookie.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: Eddie20 on October 21, 2017, 08:05:12 AM
I thought Bird last night showed some great defensive awareness for a rookie.

Agreed. I thought his energy in the 3q was what changed the complexion of the game. He brought a lot of fight last night. He reminds me of a Tony Delk type guard.

Tatum, especially for a rookie, has really impressed me on that end as well. Yesterday he had 3 blocks, should've been 4 if not for a bad call when he cleanly blocked Fultz, and continues to rebound and show a good understanding of overall team defense.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: Birdman on October 21, 2017, 08:31:54 AM
Kind remind me of Marquis Daniels
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: bellerephon on October 21, 2017, 10:26:53 AM
I certainly agree that it's much too soon to be too critical of Semi, a couple of games does not tell us very much. On the other hand, I never understood some people's obsession with Semi, he never seemed more than a long shot to me. He is now, and always was, a long shot to even be a rotation player. I never bought that his defense was NBA ready, and we have seen that it is not. That's no surprise, he's a rookie, few if any are NBA ready right at the start. I don't think we should get too down on him for a few mishaps at the start, but I hope that those on the bandwagon will temper their expectations a bit.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: chilidawg on October 21, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
I thought Bird last night showed some great defensive awareness for a rookie.

Agreed. I thought his energy in the 3q was what changed the complexion of the game. He brought a lot of fight last night. He reminds me of a Tony Delk type guard.

Tatum, especially for a rookie, has really impressed me on that end as well. Yesterday he had 3 blocks, should've been 4 if not for a bad call when he cleanly blocked Fultz, and continues to rebound and show a good understanding of overall team defense.

I like the Delk comp for Bird.
Title: Even MORE of this So-called "Breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye - but this is the end...
Post by: ThePaintedArea on October 21, 2017, 01:41:03 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.

Also take note that these breakdowns all occurred in the 4Q of a close game.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.


Mr. Karalis' analysis (!) is flawed on its face. His claim that Baynes (or "Bayes", whatever) "was in position to slow Delly down" is ludicrous, since he's protecting the rim and would have to leave both his man and the paint open from the top. In any case, if Baynes has got it covered, it's his job to say so, since he's behind Semi. Instead Ojeleye paces Dellavedova down to the low block and keeps him from turning the corner, doing a nifty job of protecting the paint. Bad things happen when bigs have to leave their man, and Semi kept that from happening.

Rozier gets beat badly; his job is to switch, cutting off the paint. Instead he chases Delly from behind, leaving Freak wide open for the pass and penetration.  When he finally does rotate, he overcommits once again, letting Giannis dribble around him.  You can see at the end of the clip that Terry knows how badly he screwed up - he looks up at the ceiling.

Your adding the spurious "constant mental breakdowns" doesn't square with Brad Stevens' post-game praise in particular for Semi's defense.

What's the point in helping out Rozier on Delly that far away from the hoop? He needs to realize that Delly is not a scoring threat

Well, Dellavedova scored 15 points in this game, including two hoops in the paint and five free throws. In this clip he's got Rozier beaten so badly that if Ojeleye doesn't pick him up Baynes will have to, leaving Henson, who's rolling to the hoop. The risk is as much the lob to Henson as for MD to score himself (something Karalis does not take account of - he says that Semi just needs to hedge and Baynes can pick up Dellavedova).

Semi contains the penetration and allows Baynes to make contact with his man, preventing the lob. He's up in Delly enough that he makes him turn away from the rim.

I would not be surprised if someone could find clips that illustrate defensive breakdowns for the rookie Semi - but this is not one of them.  Here he does exactly what he's supposed to do and shows that remarkable combination of instinct, reflexes, quicks, and strength that bode well for his future as a versatile and effective NBA defender.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: playdream on October 21, 2017, 02:11:13 PM
This "breakdowns" are trash
As others mentioned the first play Semi did nothing wrong, it's Rozier get beat and then closed too hard
Second one it's AL ball watching leads to his man's open dunk

Didn't bother read the others
Title: Re: Even MORE of this So-called "Breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye - but this is the end...
Post by: Eddie20 on October 21, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.

Also take note that these breakdowns all occurred in the 4Q of a close game.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.


Mr. Karalis' analysis (!) is flawed on its face. His claim that Baynes (or "Bayes", whatever) "was in position to slow Delly down" is ludicrous, since he's protecting the rim and would have to leave both his man and the paint open from the top. In any case, if Baynes has got it covered, it's his job to say so, since he's behind Semi. Instead Ojeleye paces Dellavedova down to the low block and keeps him from turning the corner, doing a nifty job of protecting the paint. Bad things happen when bigs have to leave their man, and Semi kept that from happening.

Rozier gets beat badly; his job is to switch, cutting off the paint. Instead he chases Delly from behind, leaving Freak wide open for the pass and penetration.  When he finally does rotate, he overcommits once again, letting Giannis dribble around him.  You can see at the end of the clip that Terry knows how badly he screwed up - he looks up at the ceiling.

Your adding the spurious "constant mental breakdowns" doesn't square with Brad Stevens' post-game praise in particular for Semi's defense.

What's the point in helping out Rozier on Delly that far away from the hoop? He needs to realize that Delly is not a scoring threat

Well, Dellavedova scored 15 points in this game, including two hoops in the paint and five free throws. In this clip he's got Rozier beaten so badly that if Ojeleye doesn't pick him up Baynes will have to, leaving Henson, who's rolling to the hoop. The risk is as much the lob to Henson as for MD to score himself (something Karalis does not take account of - he says that Semi just needs to hedge and Baynes can pick up Dellavedova).

Semi contains the penetration and allows Baynes to make contact with his man, preventing the lob. He's up in Delly enough that he makes him turn away from the rim.

I would not be surprised if someone could find clips that illustrate defensive breakdowns for the rookie Semi - but this is not one of them.  Here he does exactly what he's supposed to do and shows that remarkable combination of instinct, reflexes, quicks, and strength that bode well for his future as a versatile and effective NBA defender.

Well, ever since these plays that "prove" Semi did everything correctly he has played the same amount of minutes for the Celtics as you have.
Title: Re: Even MORE of this So-called "Breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye - but this is the end...
Post by: ThePaintedArea on October 21, 2017, 05:02:09 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.

Also take note that these breakdowns all occurred in the 4Q of a close game.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.


Mr. Karalis' analysis (!) is flawed on its face. His claim that Baynes (or "Bayes", whatever) "was in position to slow Delly down" is ludicrous, since he's protecting the rim and would have to leave both his man and the paint open from the top. In any case, if Baynes has got it covered, it's his job to say so, since he's behind Semi. Instead Ojeleye paces Dellavedova down to the low block and keeps him from turning the corner, doing a nifty job of protecting the paint. Bad things happen when bigs have to leave their man, and Semi kept that from happening.

Rozier gets beat badly; his job is to switch, cutting off the paint. Instead he chases Delly from behind, leaving Freak wide open for the pass and penetration.  When he finally does rotate, he overcommits once again, letting Giannis dribble around him.  You can see at the end of the clip that Terry knows how badly he screwed up - he looks up at the ceiling.

Your adding the spurious "constant mental breakdowns" doesn't square with Brad Stevens' post-game praise in particular for Semi's defense.

What's the point in helping out Rozier on Delly that far away from the hoop? He needs to realize that Delly is not a scoring threat

Well, Dellavedova scored 15 points in this game, including two hoops in the paint and five free throws. In this clip he's got Rozier beaten so badly that if Ojeleye doesn't pick him up Baynes will have to, leaving Henson, who's rolling to the hoop. The risk is as much the lob to Henson as for MD to score himself (something Karalis does not take account of - he says that Semi just needs to hedge and Baynes can pick up Dellavedova).

Semi contains the penetration and allows Baynes to make contact with his man, preventing the lob. He's up in Delly enough that he makes him turn away from the rim.

I would not be surprised if someone could find clips that illustrate defensive breakdowns for the rookie Semi - but this is not one of them.  Here he does exactly what he's supposed to do and shows that remarkable combination of instinct, reflexes, quicks, and strength that bode well for his future as a versatile and effective NBA defender.

Well, ever since these plays that "prove" Semi did everything correctly he has played the same amount of minutes for the Celtics as you have.

It's been a while since I was even ON the bench!

It's going to be really interesting to see how the Celtics' rotation gets sorted out this season, and how the young players, in particular, fit in. Though he looks pathetic in this clip, I think that Terry has an expanded role to play this year.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: nickagneta on October 21, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
Rather unfair to start dissecting mistakes of 2nd round rookies right now. This team is young, inexperienced and unfamiliar with each other and the playbook.

Their best player and one of the few vets just went down with an injury. Their starting PF has been out all season. So Ojeleye, Nader, Larkin, Theis, and Yabusele have been thrown in, playing with the 1st and 2nd team, who they didn't get a lot if any reps with.

Mistakes are going to happen. A LOT! And the play is going to be inconsistent. After Horford, Kyrie, Smart, Baynes and Morris on this team we basically have a young low lottery team. Gonna just have to have patience.
Title: Re: Even MORE of this So-called "Breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye - but this is the end...
Post by: Eddie20 on October 21, 2017, 05:20:30 PM
http://thesportsdaily.com/reds-army/shaky-semih-the-perils-of-a-rookies-baptism-by-fire/

This is by John Karalis of the Locked on C's podcast (good listen btw). This is exactly the reason that I'm opposed to having so many inexperience players, especially those with low ceilings, on a team that's goal is to win now. These constant mental breakdowns, thus giving up seemingly inconsequential baskets or not knowing where to be on offense, is usually the difference between winning and losing. It's why I prefer to sign Matt Barnes with the vacant roster spot, a player who not a star by any means, but will provide gritty play and know where to be on both ends of the court.

Also take note that these breakdowns all occurred in the 4Q of a close game.




(https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/semi-defense-2.gif?w=640)
In this play, Ojeleye and Rozier both make mistakes. Semi, though, lacked a general awareness of his teammates on defense.Dellavedova gets past Rozier and Semi comes over to help. Bayes, though, was in position to slow Delly down, so all Semi needed to do was hedge over to take away the mid-range jumper while still protecting the lanes. Instead, he kept sliding all the way down, forcing Rozier to overreact in helping with Semi’s man. Giannis and Delly recognize this, Giannis cuts, draws everyone’s attention, and dumps it off for a dunk.


Mr. Karalis' analysis (!) is flawed on its face. His claim that Baynes (or "Bayes", whatever) "was in position to slow Delly down" is ludicrous, since he's protecting the rim and would have to leave both his man and the paint open from the top. In any case, if Baynes has got it covered, it's his job to say so, since he's behind Semi. Instead Ojeleye paces Dellavedova down to the low block and keeps him from turning the corner, doing a nifty job of protecting the paint. Bad things happen when bigs have to leave their man, and Semi kept that from happening.

Rozier gets beat badly; his job is to switch, cutting off the paint. Instead he chases Delly from behind, leaving Freak wide open for the pass and penetration.  When he finally does rotate, he overcommits once again, letting Giannis dribble around him.  You can see at the end of the clip that Terry knows how badly he screwed up - he looks up at the ceiling.

Your adding the spurious "constant mental breakdowns" doesn't square with Brad Stevens' post-game praise in particular for Semi's defense.

What's the point in helping out Rozier on Delly that far away from the hoop? He needs to realize that Delly is not a scoring threat

Well, Dellavedova scored 15 points in this game, including two hoops in the paint and five free throws. In this clip he's got Rozier beaten so badly that if Ojeleye doesn't pick him up Baynes will have to, leaving Henson, who's rolling to the hoop. The risk is as much the lob to Henson as for MD to score himself (something Karalis does not take account of - he says that Semi just needs to hedge and Baynes can pick up Dellavedova).

Semi contains the penetration and allows Baynes to make contact with his man, preventing the lob. He's up in Delly enough that he makes him turn away from the rim.

I would not be surprised if someone could find clips that illustrate defensive breakdowns for the rookie Semi - but this is not one of them.  Here he does exactly what he's supposed to do and shows that remarkable combination of instinct, reflexes, quicks, and strength that bode well for his future as a versatile and effective NBA defender.

Well, ever since these plays that "prove" Semi did everything correctly he has played the same amount of minutes for the Celtics as you have.

It's been a while since I was even ON the bench!

It's going to be really interesting to see how the Celtics' rotation gets sorted out this season, and how the young players, in particular, fit in. Though he looks pathetic in this clip, I think that Terry has an expanded role to play this year.

I agree on Rozier. Even when he does make mistakes he's so athletic and plays with such a motor that he's able to compensate for questionable decisions.
Title: Re: Even MORE of this So-called "Breakdown" of Semi Ojeleye - but this is the end...
Post by: Beat LA on October 22, 2017, 05:15:38 AM
I agree on Rozier. Even when he does make mistakes he's so athletic and plays with such a motor that he's able to compensate for questionable decisions.

You mean like how he got burned by Giannis on that play that was somehow deemed Ojeleye's fault, or how he consistently loses his man when "defending" off the ball, or how he never even tries to fight over the top of a pick and always opts to trail the ball handler, which is fine if you can get back into the play to deflect the, well, ball away from your assignment and get a layup out of the deal, which, given Rozier's physical tools should definitely be possible, and yet it rarely, if ever, happens, and this is before we even get into his "playmaking" ability ::).

I'll admit, he's looked great, for the most part, thus far and the game does seem to be slowing down for the guy, but he still plays like a chicken with its head cut off far too often, imo.
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: rollie mass on October 22, 2017, 08:50:51 AM
The reprint of this article is Eddie House's newest vendetta against Semmi as he features himself as some sort self appointed critic, a board vigilante that claims accolades for"Calling Me Out". He was some D2 hack that is just peed off at bench players that got their chance.He has attempted to chastise, intimidate and bully me from posting positives about bench players .He intruded on MY MESSAGES pulling out my past posts going back to Zellers first year even Gi Gi
-Why the attempt to pull down one of our rookies that gets praised by Brad for his defense and he can shoot
.A shortened pre season and then thrown in.These ROOKIES are playing on the big stage, for the Boston Celtics in their first few games against some strong opposition.What a daunting task
.No need to post this in an attempt to prove your point that you think" Semmi sucks, has no motor, no hustle, doesn't go after loose balls, no game hops,goes for soft layups not dunks" to quote you  from an unsolicited post on my messages which included an enviscerating  attack on Nader and blaming me for "NADER HATE"
Title: Re: Detailed breakdown of Semi Ojeleye
Post by: mctyson on October 22, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
LOL a detailed breakdown of a 10th man 3 games into the season.