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Title: Monta Ellis
Post by: Eric_Suede on October 19, 2017, 03:31:13 PM
Just putting it out there, I get it we're pretty guard heavy as it is but Ellis is still available and he's CERTAINLY an upgrade from shane Larkin @ 5'11. We sure could use the scoring. Wonder what suitors he has. Surprised he hasn't signed with OKC.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 19, 2017, 03:44:47 PM
Just putting it out there, I get it we're pretty guard heavy as it is but Ellis is still available and he's CERTAINLY an upgrade from shane Larkin @ 5'11. We sure could use the scoring. Wonder what suitors he has. Surprised he hasn't signed with OKC.

I don't agree that he's "certainly" an upgrade from Shane Larkin at this point in their careers, and I am not overvaluing Shane Larkin. Ellis is legitimately that bad.

Over the last 6 seasons, teams only average 100 points per 100 possession while he is on the court, which is poor. Smart, Rozier, and Larkin are all better at running an offense and getting everyone involved.

And that doesn't even include his awful defense. 4 inches does not make him a better defender. He would immediately become our worst defender. He constantly puts stress on the rest of his team with his reaches and cheating. He plays no positional defense and "Oley" defense on ball.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: Alleyoopster on October 19, 2017, 06:01:25 PM
They need to replace a reliable scoring threat, but don't think they need another guard. I'd like to see them bring back Brandon Bass. Yes, I realize that would be a mega-unpopular choice in this group.

I feel with all the spacing this team creates, he'd surely score his share of points. A Boston Globe write-up earlier this summer indicated he's improved since leaving the Celtics. 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/29/been-difficult-two-years-for-brandon-bass-trying-reinvent-himself/5oUUZ5WNVUfMNZIwS9CvXP/story.html

Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: saltlover on October 19, 2017, 06:30:17 PM
I think I’d go with Anthony Morrow or Gerald Green for my minimum-salary shooter off the bench.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: gouki88 on October 19, 2017, 06:38:40 PM
Is he an upgrade over Larkin?

Monta is awful now
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: KGBirdBias on October 19, 2017, 07:00:38 PM
I'm down for Gerald Green. He knows the system and adds athleticism. He will not whine about minutes but he'll always be ready and give these youngins some guidance.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: mr. dee on October 19, 2017, 08:44:34 PM
What about Perry Jones? Only 26 years. It was unfortunate that we had to cut him in the pre-season due to roster crunch and his family circumstance.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: moiso on October 19, 2017, 09:00:11 PM
What about Perry Jones? Only 26 years. It was unfortunate that we had to cut him in the pre-season due to roster crunch and his family circumstance.
He gets cut by someone every year.  He’s not really an nba player.  Green would be fine for the minimum.  Ellis is cooked.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 19, 2017, 09:12:04 PM
no thanks
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: nickagneta on October 19, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
Stick a fork in Ellis...he's done. Don't think this team needs another scoring option or more guards or wings. This is now a developmental year for Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Ojeleye and Nader. What we need is another veteran big.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: celticslove on October 19, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Stick a fork in Ellis...he's done. Don't think this team needs another scoring option or more guards or wings. This is now a developmental year for Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Ojeleye and Nader. What we need is another veteran big.
+1 heck i'd even consider matt barnes for additional toughness over ellis
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: Bahku on October 19, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
Stick a fork in Ellis...he's done. Don't think this team needs another scoring option or more guards or wings. This is now a developmental year for Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Ojeleye and Nader. What we need is another veteran big.
Totally THIS ... (TP)
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: trickybilly on October 19, 2017, 10:10:26 PM
NERLENS!!!!!

Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: celticslove on October 19, 2017, 10:12:08 PM
NERLENS!!!!!
dallas would probably ask for that lakers/kings pick which i'm sure danny would not give
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: moiso on October 19, 2017, 10:13:21 PM
Stick a fork in Ellis...he's done. Don't think this team needs another scoring option or more guards or wings. This is now a developmental year for Rozier, Brown, Tatum, Ojeleye and Nader. What we need is another veteran big.
+1 heck i'd even consider matt barnes for additional toughness over ellis
I know most people here dislike Barnes but I’d love to have him on our team.  I’ve always liked him.  He’s a competitor.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: jambr380 on October 19, 2017, 10:43:25 PM
Just bring back Green now, apply for the DPE, and cut somebody if there is a buyout later in the year. Green won the 'best teammate' award this past season. He may not be a 20 ppg threat, but he will really help the locker room with his positivity and leadership. I get that the Cs are grooming Nader for the Green role, but our team just lost a very important veteran and we are desperately in need of non-rookie players.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: More Banners on October 19, 2017, 10:53:48 PM
Just bring back Green now, apply the DPE, and cut somebody if there is a buyout later in the year. Green won the 'best teammate' award this past season. He may not be a 20 ppg threat, but he will really help the locker room with his positivity and leadership. I get that the Cs are grooming Nader for the Green role, but our team just lost a very important veteran and we are desperately in need of non-rookie players.

Don't think we'll get a DPE, but Gerald is available for the minimum. He's a great guy to have around young hot shots, both as a mentor and story of caution...once high flying prospect drawing T-Mac comps that quickly and unceremoniously ends up, literally, playing in Siberia. Glad he ended up putting in the work. Hard to believe there's no spot for him in the league.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: saltlover on October 19, 2017, 11:26:41 PM
NERLENS!!!!!
dallas would probably ask for that lakers/kings pick which i'm sure danny would not give

Nerlens can and will veto any trade.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: iadera on October 20, 2017, 02:04:35 AM
They need to replace a reliable scoring threat, but don't think they need another guard. I'd like to see them bring back Brandon Bass. Yes, I realize that would be a mega-unpopular choice in this group.

I feel with all the spacing this team creates, he'd surely score his share of points. A Boston Globe write-up earlier this summer indicated he's improved since leaving the Celtics. 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/29/been-difficult-two-years-for-brandon-bass-trying-reinvent-himself/5oUUZ5WNVUfMNZIwS9CvXP/story.html

I think you are talking about Bass from the past, a least 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: gouki88 on October 20, 2017, 02:47:03 AM
They need to replace a reliable scoring threat, but don't think they need another guard. I'd like to see them bring back Brandon Bass. Yes, I realize that would be a mega-unpopular choice in this group.

I feel with all the spacing this team creates, he'd surely score his share of points. A Boston Globe write-up earlier this summer indicated he's improved since leaving the Celtics. 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/29/been-difficult-two-years-for-brandon-bass-trying-reinvent-himself/5oUUZ5WNVUfMNZIwS9CvXP/story.html

I think you are talking about Bass from the past, a least 5 years ago.
Not necessarily true. He was averaging over 5 points in 11 minutes last year, on really efficient shooting. Not saying he's what we need, but he's still productive
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: wdleehi on October 20, 2017, 09:33:12 AM
Just bring back Green now, apply the DPE, and cut somebody if there is a buyout later in the year. Green won the 'best teammate' award this past season. He may not be a 20 ppg threat, but he will really help the locker room with his positivity and leadership. I get that the Cs are grooming Nader for the Green role, but our team just lost a very important veteran and we are desperately in need of non-rookie players.

Don't think we'll get a DPE, but Gerald is available for the minimum. He's a great guy to have around young hot shots, both as a mentor and story of caution...once high flying prospect drawing T-Mac comps that quickly and unceremoniously ends up, literally, playing in Siberia. Glad he ended up putting in the work. Hard to believe there's no spot for him in the league.


I think Green is the best choice now wit the open roster spot.   He is a vet that can hit the outside shot, knows the offense and will not expect to get minutes over Brown and Tatum.   (plus he can be used at PF for short stretches)

If the Celtics get a DPE, wait for a trade or a buyout.   Nothing out there now really helps. 
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: Eric_Suede on October 20, 2017, 02:43:58 PM
They need to replace a reliable scoring threat, but don't think they need another guard. I'd like to see them bring back Brandon Bass. Yes, I realize that would be a mega-unpopular choice in this group.

I feel with all the spacing this team creates, he'd surely score his share of points. A Boston Globe write-up earlier this summer indicated he's improved since leaving the Celtics. 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/29/been-difficult-two-years-for-brandon-bass-trying-reinvent-himself/5oUUZ5WNVUfMNZIwS9CvXP/story.html

I think you are talking about Bass from the past, a least 5 years ago.

Bass Signed a deal in China , so he's out. Not sure how many of you are so quick to declare Ellis "cooked" or done where as just 2 years ago he's averaged 18 ppg , even during his "bad" year in indiana last year he put up 8.9 ppg. He's absolutely and upgrade to Larkin but whatever. I do agree we need help up front but other than signing Roy Hibbert and praying he's found the fountain of youth, there's really no bigs available.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: jambr380 on October 20, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
They need to replace a reliable scoring threat, but don't think they need another guard. I'd like to see them bring back Brandon Bass. Yes, I realize that would be a mega-unpopular choice in this group.

I feel with all the spacing this team creates, he'd surely score his share of points. A Boston Globe write-up earlier this summer indicated he's improved since leaving the Celtics. 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/29/been-difficult-two-years-for-brandon-bass-trying-reinvent-himself/5oUUZ5WNVUfMNZIwS9CvXP/story.html

I think you are talking about Bass from the past, a least 5 years ago.

Bass Signed a deal in China , so he's out. Not sure how many of you are so quick to declare Ellis "cooked" or done where as just 2 years ago he's averaged 18 ppg , even during his "bad" year in indiana last year he put up 8.9 ppg. He's absolutely and upgrade to Larkin but whatever. I do agree we need help up front but other than signing Roy Hibbert and praying he's found the fountain of youth, there's really no bigs available.

I honestly don't care much about adding bigs. We have the Center position covered with Horford, Baynes, and Theis. We also have enough big wings (guys who can play PF) in Morris, Tatum, Yabusele, and Ojeleye.

Hayward was such a major loss because he was the centerpiece of our entire offense and was best equipped to match up with the league's best SFs. Like I said, I would love to add G Green for stability, but players who play like Hayward aren't currently available as FAs and likely won't be buy-out candidates either. Our best hope is just for him to get better at this point.
Title: Re: Monta Ellis
Post by: crimson_stallion on October 21, 2017, 10:02:46 PM
NERLENS!!!!!
dallas would probably ask for that lakers/kings pick which i'm sure danny would not give

Nerlens can and will veto any trade.

Not sure he would Veto a trade to a young Celtics team with this much upside.  It's hard to envision a better scenario for him then a team that has Kyrie (25), Brown (20), Tatum (19) and Hayward (27) as a young core for the future - he'd fit right in not only now, but for the foreseeable future too. 

Throw in the fact that we have Al Horford - who's offensive minded skillset is a perfect compliment to Noel, who's experience makes him the perfect short term mentor for Noel, and who's career path also matches up perfect (as Noel develops, Horford is fading off). 

Then on top of that you have Brad Stevens as a coach he could learn tons from, and Danny Ainge - the GM who will stop at nothing to add talent and build a winner.

Or he can stay in Dallas, and wait for Dirk to retire and for the team to become entirely irrelevant as a result, and go through another rebuild nightmare just like what he suffered in Philly.

I know what I'd do.