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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 12:46:43 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/77amvr/markelle_fultz_first_2_freethrows_of_his_career/
He has the joakim noah form now
Edit- he tried again and getting worse:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4izJz173GZs
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I was pretty high on him and was upset when we made the trade. That looks like a mess and I feel like I overly bought into hype
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Man, that is insane. And he might be the type (like Rondo) to let something like this mess with him mentally, making it difficult to fix.
Danny might literally have got the better player AND a potential top-5 pick with it.
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I don't get it.
There's a lot to like about him going to the rim and handling the ball. He looked awesome going to the rim with both hands at different times so far. I really don't get the shooting. He shot so well from 3 and it legit looks like he doesn't know how to shoot a basketball.
Tatum has been impressive, even on defense and rebounding wise so I'm happy.
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I was pretty high on him and was upset when we made the trade. That looks like a mess and I feel like I overly bought into hype
he was fools gold. I bought the hype too
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I was pretty high on him and was upset when we made the trade. That looks like a mess and I feel like I overly bought into hype
he was fools gold. I bought the hype too
Overbuy into the hype and then overbuy into the negativity and act like he's going to be a bust after a single game. Fultz will be fine. His shooting will come around. He has little pressure on him with Embiid and Simmons drawing all the attention.
Going into the draft, I thought there were a bunch of good prospect buts no real franchise talent. Haven't seen anything that changes my mind on that. In 4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if any of 7 or 8 players end up being at the top of this draft class.
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After watching 2 real games of Tatum, I'm so glad we have Danny
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Feels hard not to blame the Sixers for this atrocity. You'd think some combination of the coaching staff and medical staff would look at that, hit the eject button and shut him down until his shoulder is healed.
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Feels hard not to blame the Sixers for this atrocity. You'd think some combination of the coaching staff and medical staff would look at that, hit the eject button and shut him down until his shoulder is healed.
Agreed.
Between this and Ben Simmons not shooting with the correct hand-- Philly's staff looks lost.
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Apparently his shoulder hurts so he's trying this goofy free throw form.
If your shoulder is that bad that you can't shoot a normal free throw why are you playing, that is what confuses me. 76ers say they can't find an issue with his shoulder either.
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Count me in the minority I guess, but I'm pulling for the kid to do well. He seems like a good kid, obviously gifted. His confidence is shaken right now, and fooling around with his shooting mechanics obviously isn't helping that.
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oh my. it looks like he's never shot a basketball before. Shaq had better form and that's pretty [dang]ing
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I don't get it.
There's a lot to like about him going to the rim and handling the ball. He looked awesome going to the rim with both hands at different times so far. I really don't get the shooting. He shot so well from 3 and it legit looks like he doesn't know how to shoot a basketball.
Tatum has been impressive, even on defense and rebounding wise so I'm happy.
There's some talk about having some sort of a shoulder injury that's causing the poor form. But frankly, I don't buy that really -- this looks about as bad as Shaq in his prime. We might have dodged a bullet here.
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Apparently his shoulder hurts so he's trying this goofy free throw form.
If your shoulder is that bad that you can't shoot a normal free throw why are you playing, that is what confuses me. 76ers say they can't find an issue with his shoulder either.
Yeah, the whole thing seems weird. Phantom pains so he changes his form? He may iron this all out and eventually become an all star but obviously we're all feeling pretty good about the Tatum trade right now.
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Feels hard not to blame the Sixers for this atrocity. You'd think some combination of the coaching staff and medical staff would look at that, hit the eject button and shut him down until his shoulder is healed.
Agreed.
Between this and Ben Simmons not shooting with the correct hand-- Philly's staff looks lost.
Wait, what? :)
On a related note, that's not as simple a situation as you might think. I've been writing left-handed my entire life, played tennis and used tools with my left -- but threw and shot a basketball with my right (neither of these was great, but both were fully adequate -- and my left hand was atrocious in that). I think my shooting/throwing hand should actually be my left, and I've pretty much just undertaken a mental exercise recently where I decided to convince my body that I can fully adequately throw left-handed. I don't think it was even a muscle memory/repetition thing (I have enough dexterity in that hand already for other tasks) -- mostly seemed to be a mental/attitude issue.
Curiously, I'm very clearly right-footed with little ambidexterity there -- but apparently hand and foot are not necessarily related that way...
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His college shooting form was slow for the nba
But this is hilarious
What did I tell you guys?
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I don't get it.
There's a lot to like about him going to the rim and handling the ball. He looked awesome going to the rim with both hands at different times so far. I really don't get the shooting. He shot so well from 3 and it legit looks like he doesn't know how to shoot a basketball.
Tatum has been impressive, even on defense and rebounding wise so I'm happy.
There's some talk about having some sort of a shoulder injury that's causing the poor form. But frankly, I don't buy that really -- this looks about as bad as Shaq in his prime. We might have dodged a bullet here.
I saw that this morning... so the injury is still bothering him is that what they are saying? Or it left permanent damage? Or he altered his shot to accomidate an injury he recovered from? Any possible way, sounds really bad. I don't know which idea is worse lol.
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Feels hard not to blame the Sixers for this atrocity. You'd think some combination of the coaching staff and medical staff would look at that, hit the eject button and shut him down until his shoulder is healed.
Agreed.
Between this and Ben Simmons not shooting with the correct hand-- Philly's staff looks lost.
Wait, what? :)
If you are familiar with Kevin O'Connor, he wrote some piece about this from looking at it and hearing from some others:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2016/2/16/10966798/ben-simmons-nba-draft-scouting-report-jump-shot
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Too funny. That kid is dumb as rocks. ;D
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http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2017/10/sixers_brett_brown_unhappy_with_markelle_fultzs_ju.html
Apparently Brown isn't happy with the changes either, and suggested that someone outside of the organization tried to fix his shot. He's also still ginger from the recent shoulder injury, but it seems like the 76ers aren't doing a bang up job either from the looks of it.
I will gladly take Fultz on this team lol.
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He was 5 of 9 from the field scoring 10 points in 18 minutes. Also added 3 rebounds, an assist, and a block and didn't commit a foul or turnover. Overall not a bad debut.
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He was 5 of 9 from the field scoring 10 points in 18 minutes. Also added 3 rebounds, an assist, and a block and didn't commit a foul or turnover. Overall not a bad debut.
He's pretty amazing going to the rim. He can use both hands naturally and he has moves. It can't be discounted.
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I am not going to laugh at the kid. Those free throws looked just like Smart's last night when he clanked 2 in a row also. Kid is a rookie. Smart, who was very good at the line last year looks terrible this year. No excuse, big game and we need people to step up and no reason for a veteran to be clanking free throws. Don't get me wrong - I love Smart but free throws are just that "free". The rook was obviously nervous.
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Feels hard not to blame the Sixers for this atrocity. You'd think some combination of the coaching staff and medical staff would look at that, hit the eject button and shut him down until his shoulder is healed.
Agreed.
Between this and Ben Simmons not shooting with the correct hand-- Philly's staff looks lost.
Wait, what? :)
On a related note, that's not as simple a situation as you might think. I've been writing left-handed my entire life, played tennis and used tools with my left -- but threw and shot a basketball with my right (neither of these was great, but both were fully adequate -- and my left hand was atrocious in that). I think my shooting/throwing hand should actually be my left, and I've pretty much just undertaken a mental exercise recently where I decided to convince my body that I can fully adequately throw left-handed. I don't think it was even a muscle memory/repetition thing (I have enough dexterity in that hand already for other tasks) -- mostly seemed to be a mental/attitude issue.
Curiously, I'm very clearly right-footed with little ambidexterity there -- but apparently hand and foot are not necessarily related that way...
Ha! I'm right footed so when I broke my wrist (right handed), I quickly learned that I break to the left faster and stronger than my right (dominant) hand. Now I use my left hand almost too much. Some people think I'm lefty at the gym.
Fun fact- I still whipe lefty!
PS- love how the Reddit thread derailed into a conversation about jerks at the LA gym
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http://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/921912197814550529
Oh my Lord, it got even worse tonight. He air balled a free throw, not coming up short but coming up left of the rim. That's insane. I'm guessing it has got to his head at this point.
I was a big Fultz fan before the draft, and though I had questions regarding his fire and passion for the game, I never would've imagined that shooting would be his biggest question mark.
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http://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/921912197814550529
Oh my Lord, it got even worse tonight. He air balled a free throw, not coming up short but coming up left of the rim. That's insane. I'm guessing it has got to his head at this point.
I was a big Fultz fan before the draft, and though I had questions regarding his fire and passion for the game, I never would've imagined that shooting would be his biggest question mark.
I'd be so depressed right now if we had used the #1 pick on him ourselves!
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http://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/921912197814550529
Oh my Lord, it got even worse tonight. He air balled a free throw, not coming up short but coming up left of the rim. That's insane. I'm guessing it has got to his head at this point.
I was a big Fultz fan before the draft, and though I had questions regarding his fire and passion for the game, I never would've imagined that shooting would be his biggest question mark.
I'd be so depressed right now if we had used the #1 pick on him ourselves!
I see quite a few people saying he's shooting FTs like this because he has a shoulder injury... but I mean if that's the case, WHY is he even playing?? ???
Seems to me like this could be setting up for that annual "Sixers young stud that gets injured early leading to the team deciding to tank again" ::)
Frankly I feel Embiid isn't going to last long this season either (just my gut feeling).
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If he is indeed injured as some are saying, why is he playing??
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If he is indeed injured as some are saying, why is he playing??
Doesn't look like an injury thing to me. Looks like a mental thing to me. He doesn't even look comfortable shooting the ball.
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If he is indeed injured as some are saying, why is he playing??
Doesn't look like an injury thing to me. Looks like a mental thing to me. He doesn't even look comfortable shooting the ball.
I agree. If you remember his pre-draft workouts, he reportedly shot poorly then too, and that was before any shoulder injury. The workout for the Sixers was also streamed online , and he was awful in it.
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If he is indeed injured as some are saying, why is he playing??
Doesn't look like an injury thing to me. Looks like a mental thing to me. He doesn't even look comfortable shooting the ball.
So it's an excuse? Who is to be believed?
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If a young player who made his mark on shooting in college came to the team with a new shooting form that looks anything like this, I would bench him until he changes it permanently.
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Why does he want to shoot like that? It's like he's volleying it up. :o
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3 games in, Fultz is averaging 7 PPG, 2 RPG on 35 % shooting and 50 % FT shooting.
Either he's injured or severely lacking confidence right now.
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If he is indeed injured as some are saying, why is he playing??
Doesn't look like an injury thing to me. Looks like a mental thing to me. He doesn't even look comfortable shooting the ball.
I agree. If you remember his pre-draft workouts, he reportedly shot poorly then too, and that was before any shoulder injury. The workout for the Sixers was also streamed online , and he was awful in it.
Yeah, and that's right around the time his shot started looking different, too. To me it just seems like he took some bad advice, changed the mechanics of his shot, and now has kind of screwed himself mentally with his shot.
If I was Philly, I'd hold him out until he fixed that shot and got more comfortable with it. I'd bring in a shooting coach and not let him step in a game until he fixed it. It's a joke that he is still out there doing this "fingertip type push shot" without Philly FORCING him to change. That's just terrible management of a young player on their part.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-shoulder-sixers-76ers-coach-brett-brown-20171010.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-76ers-markelle-fultz-shoulder-soreness-shot-20171021.html
I think I trust these than some guys from their rival's blog with clear agenda saying its otherwise.
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http://twitter.com/Michael_Levin/status/921914953065406464
The best (and most hilarious) description I've heard so far is that Fultz shoots free throws like a "two handed beer pong player." 😂 That's hilarious because that is probably the most accurate way to describe that shot at the moment.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-shoulder-sixers-76ers-coach-brett-brown-20171010.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-76ers-markelle-fultz-shoulder-soreness-shot-20171021.html
I think I trust these than some guys from their rival's blog with clear agenda saying its otherwise.
If that's the case, then it's an even worse look for Philly. Why in the world would you continue to let him play if it was bothering him that much? That makes no sense, ESPECIALLY given their recent injury history.
That's why I'm continuing to call BS on this excuse. Seems to be a convenient excuse to cover up what's probably a more serious concern.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-shoulder-sixers-76ers-coach-brett-brown-20171010.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-76ers-markelle-fultz-shoulder-soreness-shot-20171021.html
I think I trust these than some guys from their rival's blog with clear agenda saying its otherwise.
If that's the case, then it's an even worse look for Philly. Why in the world would you continue to let him play if it was bothering him that much? That makes no sense, ESPECIALLY given their recent injury history.
That's why I'm continuing to call BS on this excuse. Seems to be a convenient excuse to cover up what's probably a more serious concern.
Did you read the article? It was said that he wont be shut down if the injury is not getting worse and its not affecting other parts of his game. I know some of you are jumping at every opportunity to justify Tatum over Fultz but come on. Its the first week of the NBA, its too early to judge these prospect. Same goes with Ball.
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If he’s injured and Brett Brown continues too play him what does that say about him as a coach?
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If he’s injured and Brett Brown continues too play him what does that say about him as a coach?
Well he said it doesnt affect other aspects of his game, or that the injury is getting worse. Who knows, but they sure do know better than you, me or anyone in this forum.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4izJz173GZs got worse
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-shoulder-sixers-76ers-coach-brett-brown-20171010.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-76ers-markelle-fultz-shoulder-soreness-shot-20171021.html
I think I trust these than some guys from their rival's blog with clear agenda saying its otherwise.
If that's the case, then it's an even worse look for Philly. Why in the world would you continue to let him play if it was bothering him that much? That makes no sense, ESPECIALLY given their recent injury history.
That's why I'm continuing to call BS on this excuse. Seems to be a convenient excuse to cover up what's probably a more serious concern.
Did you read the article? It was said that he wont be shut down if the injury is not getting worse and its not affecting other parts of his game.
Yes, that seems generally right if you're talking about something like a sore ankle, but if it's affecting his shooting form, then that could cause longer-run problems with his mechanics, couldn't it? Bad shooting habits can be hard to break.
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I'm flummoxed. I wonder what % Rondo would have shot with this form.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-shoulder-sixers-76ers-coach-brett-brown-20171010.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-76ers-markelle-fultz-shoulder-soreness-shot-20171021.html
I think I trust these than some guys from their rival's blog with clear agenda saying its otherwise.
If that's the case, then it's an even worse look for Philly. Why in the world would you continue to let him play if it was bothering him that much? That makes no sense, ESPECIALLY given their recent injury history.
That's why I'm continuing to call BS on this excuse. Seems to be a convenient excuse to cover up what's probably a more serious concern.
Did you read the article? It was said that he wont be shut down if the injury is not getting worse and its not affecting other parts of his game. I know some of you are jumping at every opportunity to justify Tatum over Fultz but come on. Its the first week of the NBA, its too early to judge these prospect. Same goes with Ball.
This literally makes no sense whatsoever, because shooting is such a big part of the game, especially Fultz's game. It makes absolutely no sense to keep playing him and letting him continue to develop this poor shooting form as a habit and losing confidence. It's not like he's just missing shots; he missing shots BADLY because his form is so poor and changed from what it was before.
So, yeah, I'm simply not buying it given their recent history of having no problem whatsoever of shutting guys down for seasons at a time.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-shoulder-sixers-76ers-coach-brett-brown-20171010.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-76ers-markelle-fultz-shoulder-soreness-shot-20171021.html
I think I trust these than some guys from their rival's blog with clear agenda saying its otherwise.
If that's the case, then it's an even worse look for Philly. Why in the world would you continue to let him play if it was bothering him that much? That makes no sense, ESPECIALLY given their recent injury history.
That's why I'm continuing to call BS on this excuse. Seems to be a convenient excuse to cover up what's probably a more serious concern.
Did you read the article? It was said that he wont be shut down if the injury is not getting worse and its not affecting other parts of his game. I know some of you are jumping at every opportunity to justify Tatum over Fultz but come on. Its the first week of the NBA, its too early to judge these prospect. Same goes with Ball.
This literally makes no sense whatsoever, because shooting is such a big part of the game, especially Fultz's game. It makes absolutely no sense to keep playing him and letting him continue to develop this poor shooting form as a habit and losing confidence. It's not like he's just missing shots; he missing shots BADLY because his form is so poor and changed from what it was before.
So, yeah, I'm simply not buying it given their recent history of having no problem whatsoever of shutting guys down for seasons at a time.
I agree. It makes absolutely no sense that they would play him if he did have a shoulder injury. Plus, his shooting sucked since the pre-draft workouts , prior to any 'shoulder injury'. I think its a made up report by the Sixers to help him cope with his shooting issues.
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LOL....dats sum funny stuff
my 13 year old cousin shot like that
But ,
...........come on ."...SHE " was a little girl. LOL
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Lonzo: "My shooting form isn't great"
Fultz: "HOLD MY BEER!"
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Lonzo: "My shooting form isn't great"
Fultz: "HOLD MY BEER!"
Yeah, that's pretty crazy how true this is.
The thing is, Lonzo has always shot like that, so he'll naturally be more consistent with his shot. Granted, I don't think Lonzo will ever be a league average shooter from 3 until he changes his shot.
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Anyone who is gullible enough to believe he's being allowed to play injured can be sold a bridge
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Anyone who is gullible enough to believe he's being allowed to play injured can be sold a bridge
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-76ers-markelle-fultz-shoulder-soreness-shot-20171021.html
I want my bridge now! I'll take a brick suspension bridge for that retro look.
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If his shoulder is hurting him that much, why don't they make him shoot his free throws lefty rather than changing his natural shooting form righty? Changing the form because of an injury could lead to years of shooting woes