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Title: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: mr. dee on October 17, 2017, 11:20:17 PM
Im glad that he proved people that he's more than just an iso scorer, but he was passing too much in this game when he could have taken the 4th quarter. I know it will take time, but there is a situation where he needs to turn into iso-Kyrie when needed, especially against poor defenders like Rose. We saw Paul Pierce kill Lebron with his last game isolation shots although not always prefered.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: gouki88 on October 17, 2017, 11:21:39 PM
I remember him saying in interviews that throughout the preseason and start of the regular season he'd likely overpass. Think he's still getting used to a completely different team and system
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: jambr380 on October 17, 2017, 11:23:55 PM
I remember him saying in interviews that throughout the preseason and start of the regular season he'd likely overpass. Think he's still getting used to a completely different team and system

Yeah, you can definitely see him taking a leadership role on the sidelines, as well. I am not worried about Kyrie - probably just trying to acclimate to his new team. Hopefully we have success this year without Hayward; I would hate for Kyrie to sour on Boston from losing too much.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 11:24:42 PM
10 assists. Keep passing. He looks like rondo with a jump shot out there.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: droopdog7 on October 18, 2017, 12:25:17 AM
I think he overpassed too.  In no world should Kyrie psss to Marcus.  But I'm fine with it. Let him work his way into his role.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 18, 2017, 12:56:42 AM
Are you serious?

Some people just can’t be pleased. Either he’s a ball hog, or he’s too pass happy. He was constantly getting doubled in the 4th quarter, and he made the right play every time. I’ll take that wide open Jaylen 3 in the corner every f*ucking possession. Find something else to cry about.

Someone's getting too emotional, lol. It's not a rant, but rather an observation.
A bad observation at that.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: mr. dee on October 18, 2017, 01:02:19 AM
Are you serious?

Some people just can’t be pleased. Either he’s a ball hog, or he’s too pass happy. He was constantly getting doubled in the 4th quarter, and he made the right play every time. I’ll take that wide open Jaylen 3 in the corner every f*ucking possession. Find something else to cry about.

Someone's getting too emotional, lol. It's not a rant, but rather an observation.
A bad observation at that.

You seem upset.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: max215 on October 18, 2017, 01:06:21 AM
Thought he passed poorly early and well later.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: crimson_stallion on October 18, 2017, 01:09:47 AM
I couldn't be happier with Kyrie's play in Boston so far, based on what I've watched in the preseason plus looking at the stats today.

The way I see it, a 22 PTS / 10 AST game is much more impactful then a 27 PTS, 4 AST game.  He'll he even had three steals (and I've heard a few people say he played pretty good  defence).

Everybody on the planet knows how elite Kyrie is as a scorer - his ability to score one-on-one is something that is well documented, and something he really does not need to prove (or even work on, really).  That's the one thing we ALL know he can do.

But if Kyrie can average 7-9 assist per game, play at least average level defence, and continue to score the ball the way he has throughout his career...you might be looking at a top 10 player in this league. 
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Who on October 18, 2017, 07:57:05 AM
Looked like he had some jitters being back in Cleveland with his new team. A bit unsure of himself and when / where to do what at times.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 18, 2017, 07:59:42 AM
The whole team had jitters after the injury.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: __ramonezy__ on October 18, 2017, 08:06:26 AM
Our offense is actually a "pass-happy" offense, but we didn't have the cold-blooded shooters to make it work perfectly... which is why Love was such a big target.

IT's dominance came when we needed scores that our system wasn't providing. Kyrie will find his balance as well soon... but may not need to. I can easily see him averaging 10 assists if players like Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Horford can hit their shots.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 23, 2017, 08:46:31 PM
Are you serious?

Some people just can’t be pleased. Either he’s a ball hog, or he’s too pass happy. He was constantly getting doubled in the 4th quarter, and he made the right play every time. I’ll take that wide open Jaylen 3 in the corner every f*ucking possession. Find something else to cry about.

Someone's getting too emotional, lol. It's not a rant, but rather an observation.
A bad observation at that.

You seem upset.
You seem to have nothing to add.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: mr. dee on October 23, 2017, 09:12:26 PM
Are you serious?

Some people just can’t be pleased. Either he’s a ball hog, or he’s too pass happy. He was constantly getting doubled in the 4th quarter, and he made the right play every time. I’ll take that wide open Jaylen 3 in the corner every f*ucking possession. Find something else to cry about.

Someone's getting too emotional, lol. It's not a rant, but rather an observation.
A bad observation at that.

You seem upset.
You seem to have nothing to add.

I do. Kyrie have forced things in the Bucks game. Seems uncomfortable. Still have found his groove. I'm not really worried nor I do take crap about the guy. He's getting better but still not comfortable yet.

But again, you're over defensive over nothing. Swearing and telling me to go cry somewhere is kinda bit of rude, isn't it? If that's not upset, I don't know what it is.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 23, 2017, 09:38:12 PM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: jambr380 on October 23, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Dude, are you trolling us? From a couple of days ago:

Quote
Same Kyrie he has always been.  If he doesn't improve...

Can we start to put the "superstar" **** to rest?  No superstar has ever been outplayed by Terry Rozier.

It would be great if you decided to adjust your opinion of Kyrie and what he might become, but you have been blasting him for a while now.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: wayupnorth on October 23, 2017, 10:59:26 PM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Noe that is the spirit!
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 23, 2017, 11:13:27 PM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Noe that is the spirit!

I'm sincerely trying to buy into this perspective.  As soon as I'm 51% of the way there, I'll have to make a formal apology for how obnoxious I've been. 
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: wayupnorth on October 23, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Noe that is the spirit!

I'm sincerely trying to buy into this perspective.  As soon as I'm 51% of the way there, I'll have to make a formal apology for how obnoxious I've been.

Haha you know no apology is needed. Can't doubt your fanhood, even if you hate Kyrie.

Just tough for a homer like this guy to see you doubt a fellow C so much.

Just like when people doubted IT after he first arrived.

I personally found many of your Kyrie takes annoying, but I always knew they came from the right place.

Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 23, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Noe that is the spirit!

I'm sincerely trying to buy into this perspective.  As soon as I'm 51% of the way there, I'll have to make a formal apology for how obnoxious I've been.

Haha you know no apology is needed. Can't doubt your fanhood, even if you hate Kyrie.

Just tough for a homer like this guy to see you doubt a fellow C so much.

Just like when people doubted IT after he first arrived.

I personally found many of your Kyrie takes annoying, but I always knew they came from the right place.

Thanks, I appreciate your input.  You've got a way with words, too -- I think I'm insulted, flattered, and confused that I like it...

I'll always love the Celtics.  I just learned to dislike Kyrie from his early days at Duke, and he become public enemy #2 during LBJ's reign in CLE.  As an emotionally invested fan, it's going to take some getting used to.  But I'm glad to have had this outlet to whine.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: wayupnorth on October 24, 2017, 12:06:29 AM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Noe that is the spirit!

I'm sincerely trying to buy into this perspective.  As soon as I'm 51% of the way there, I'll have to make a formal apology for how obnoxious I've been.

Haha you know no apology is needed. Can't doubt your fanhood, even if you hate Kyrie.

Just tough for a homer like this guy to see you doubt a fellow C so much.

Just like when people doubted IT after he first arrived.

I personally found many of your Kyrie takes annoying, but I always knew they came from the right place.

Thanks, I appreciate your input.  You've got a way with words, too -- I think I'm insulted, flattered, and confused that I like it...

I'll always love the Celtics.  I just learned to dislike Kyrie from his early days at Duke, and he become public enemy #2 during LBJ's reign in CLE.  As an emotionally invested fan, it's going to take some getting used to.  But I'm glad to have had this outlet to whine.

My all time favorite college ball player is Tyler H. Gerald Henderson is somebody I wish nothing but ill upon, to this day.

I know what you are saying. My brother always loved IT, going back to Washington, and I always told him he was a good scorer, but just couldn't hang in the other areas of the game. He isn't a C's fan, so as he got traded to the C's and IT's legend grew, I caught more and more hell, because I doubted him; until that 42 point game against the Hawks in his second season here.

At that point, I realized I was way wrong, and hadn't given him a fair chance. From that point on, I realized just how good IT was and will never forget those 2 and a half seasons.

But Kyrie is two years younger, and frankly is more highly regarded by nearly everyone in the basketball community. He is incredible. He has had some truly incredible games in his career, in the regular season, playoffs, and USA ball. If he is willing to commit to the system, like Isaiah did, the sky is the limit for both this team, and Kyrie.

I love Hayward, but I truly believe Kyrie was the real get of this off season.

I only wrote the novel, because I feel like I have to defend my love of a duke basketball player. (The blow of the getting Tatum is only softened by winning it all last year.)
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Somebody on October 24, 2017, 12:41:56 AM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Noe that is the spirit!

I'm sincerely trying to buy into this perspective.  As soon as I'm 51% of the way there, I'll have to make a formal apology for how obnoxious I've been.
Similar but I won't be apologising, Kyrie should be producing like a superstar. I will be a huge Kyrie fan when I get there though :laugh:
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 24, 2017, 12:50:43 AM
Are you serious?

Some people just can’t be pleased. Either he’s a ball hog, or he’s too pass happy. He was constantly getting doubled in the 4th quarter, and he made the right play every time. I’ll take that wide open Jaylen 3 in the corner every f*ucking possession. Find something else to cry about.

Someone's getting too emotional, lol. It's not a rant, but rather an observation.
A bad observation at that.

You seem upset.
You seem to have nothing to add.

I do. Kyrie have forced things in the Bucks game. Seems uncomfortable. Still have found his groove. I'm not really worried nor I do take crap about the guy. He's getting better but still not comfortable yet.

But again, you're over defensive over nothing. Swearing and telling me to go cry somewhere is kinda bit of rude, isn't it? If that's not upset, I don't know what it is.
Hahaha, you made your thread complaining about him being too pass happy! And now you’re complaining about him forcing things. You couldn’t have contradicted yourself more if you tried. In the same thread no less. That is what I’m upset about, whiny posters who like to complain about anything and everything, even when it makes no sense. And you proved that point perfectly. Thank you!
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: KGs Knee on October 24, 2017, 02:27:14 AM
Kyrie is an excellent player.  He's faced with the challenge of adjusting to a new system while simultaneously establishing himself as a leader and NBA superstar.  Let's relax, cut him some slack, and enjoy the ride.  Sheesh, people.

Noe that is the spirit!

I'm sincerely trying to buy into this perspective.  As soon as I'm 51% of the way there, I'll have to make a formal apology for how obnoxious I've been.

Haha you know no apology is needed. Can't doubt your fanhood, even if you hate Kyrie.

Just tough for a homer like this guy to see you doubt a fellow C so much.

Just like when people doubted IT after he first arrived.

I personally found many of your Kyrie takes annoying, but I always knew they came from the right place.

Thanks, I appreciate your input.  You've got a way with words, too -- I think I'm insulted, flattered, and confused that I like it...

I'll always love the Celtics.  I just learned to dislike Kyrie from his early days at Duke, and he become public enemy #2 during LBJ's reign in CLE.  As an emotionally invested fan, it's going to take some getting used to.  But I'm glad to have had this outlet to whine.

My all time favorite college ball player is Tyler H. Gerald Henderson is somebody I wish nothing but ill upon, to this day.

I know what you are saying. My brother always loved IT, going back to Washington, and I always told him he was a good scorer, but just couldn't hang in the other areas of the game. He isn't a C's fan, so as he got traded to the C's and IT's legend grew, I caught more and more hell, because I doubted him; until that 42 point game against the Hawks in his second season here.

At that point, I realized I was way wrong, and hadn't given him a fair chance. From that point on, I realized just how good IT was and will never forget those 2 and a half seasons.

But Kyrie is two years younger, and frankly is more highly regarded by nearly everyone in the basketball community. He is incredible. He has had some truly incredible games in his career, in the regular season, playoffs, and USA ball. If he is willing to commit to the system, like Isaiah did, the sky is the limit for both this team, and Kyrie.

I love Hayward, but I truly believe Kyrie was the real get of this off season.

I only wrote the novel, because I feel like I have to defend my love of a duke basketball player. (The blow of the getting Tatum is only softened by winning it all last year.)

Go Duke!

Tar Heels...yuck!
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 24, 2017, 06:38:11 AM
I do think at times he needs to take over games. and assert his will over the outcome.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: ozman on October 24, 2017, 06:41:00 AM
Kyrie is still figuring out his place within the offence, which works very differently to the lebron cavs offence he is used to.

 For me it seems his making a conscious effort to play within the offence, which is a good thing for a leader to do around a new team with you d players, particularly given the trade circamstances.

He will get better as he becomes more comfortable and familiar with his role.  knowing where and when to make the play, weather scoring or passing.

Give the man some time, it's a learning experience and one which will hopefully expand is game into our expectations.

Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Chris22 on October 24, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
So far Shane Larkin is our go to guy.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: ozgod on October 24, 2017, 10:49:36 PM
I'm ok with Kyrie so far. Given the player he is replacing scored 30 a game (after his 3rd year with Boston) and given his rep people will be expecting great things right away and that's fair enough. It's not like NBA2k where you trade a player to another team and they pick up where they left off. No matter how much they try to work with Brad's system in practice there's no substitute to being out on the floor every night.

He's scoring 20 points a game shooting <40% from the floor and still without fully understanding how it works or where he is supposed to be or if he should pass or iso or where the good shot opportunities are. He's a solid contributor to the team and is playing within his capability right now. Can he do better? Definitely. Once he figures it out he will flourish.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: Big333223 on October 25, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
I do think at times he needs to take over games. and assert his will over the outcome.
Yep and I think he will.

He still looks tentative, to me, which makes sense. I think he didn't want to come in and shoot 25 times every night and alienate new teammates. He's trying to buy in. As he gets more comfortable and more confident in his new role, I think we'll see the system organically bend toward Kyrie and his strengths the exact same way it did with IT over the course of his first year and a half in Boston.
Title: Re: Kyrie seems to be a lil bit pass-happy
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 12:36:06 PM
I do think at times he needs to take over games. and assert his will over the outcome.
Yep and I think he will.

He still looks tentative, to me, which makes sense. I think he didn't want to come in and shoot 25 times every night and alienate new teammates. He's trying to buy in. As he gets more comfortable and more confident in his new role, I think we'll see the system organically bend toward Kyrie and his strengths the exact same way it did with IT over the course of his first year and a half in Boston.
If he can average 20 ppg while looking "tentative" and "pass-happy" and only shooting .375 from the field, imagine how good he will be when he reverts to some semblance of his average form.