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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
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Lets assume Hayward is out all season (may not be true):
What is Disabled Player Exception?
This exception allows a team to replace a player who has been injured and will be out the rest of the season or for the entire next season (if the injury occurs during the off-season). This exception may also be used in the tragic case of a player's death.
The team's selected replacement player may be signed for a maximum salary of either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-luxury tax paying team, whichever is less. Since this exception is dependent on a player being seriously injured, it requires an NBA-assigned physician to verify the extent of the injury. An example of this exception in action is when the Portland Trailblazers used it to sign replacement players when number one draft pick Greg Oden went down with multiple knee injuries. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement allows a team to sign a replacement player for only one year, down from five years under the previous CBA.
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Have the doctors ruled him out for the season?
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So if you sign a guy using this the disabled player can't possibly come back that year?
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So if you sign a guy using this the disabled player can't possibly come back that year?
sounds like you can only sign a replacement for 1 year. So it's like a rental
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i thought you can only use the disabled player exception when the injury occurs during the off-season?
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So if you sign a guy using this the disabled player can't possibly come back that year?
sounds like you can only sign a replacement for 1 year. So it's like a rental
I think Houston got Trevor Ariza on a multi-year deal on the disabled player exception. Yao Ming's injury I think. It was an MLE level contract. If I remember right.
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So if you sign a guy using this the disabled player can't possibly come back that year?
sounds like you can only sign a replacement for 1 year. So it's like a rental
I think Houston got Trevor Ariza on a multi-year deal on the disabled player exception. Yao Ming's injury I think. It was an MLE level contract. If I remember right.
I think that was before the new CBA
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So if you sign a guy using this the disabled player can't possibly come back that year?
I now fully understand your question and I'm not sure of the answer.
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So if you sign a guy using this the disabled player can't possibly come back that year?
I now fully understand your question and I'm not sure of the answer.
I think this one happened before. I forget who.
The exception is only granted if the medics (team + league office) believe the player won't be able to return this season but if they are wrong and the player manages to return, he is allowed to come back.
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Whatever they do, you are not replacing Gordon Hayward with anybody off the scrap heap. Brad and Danny know Morris is coming back soon and will take a forward spot, so they go get a big man instead. Certainly don't need any more guards,
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Whatever they do, you are not replacing Gordon Hayward with anybody off the scrap heap. Brad and Danny know Morris is coming back soon and will take a forward spot, so they go get a big man instead. Certainly don't need any more guards,
We've said we don't need anymore guards like three guards ago :(
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Lets assume Hayward is out all season (may not be true):
What is Disabled Player Exception?
This exception allows a team to replace a player who has been injured and will be out the rest of the season or for the entire next season (if the injury occurs during the off-season). This exception may also be used in the tragic case of a player's death.
The team's selected replacement player may be signed for a maximum salary of either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-luxury tax paying team, whichever is less. Since this exception is dependent on a player being seriously injured, it requires an NBA-assigned physician to verify the extent of the injury. An example of this exception in action is when the Portland Trailblazers used it to sign replacement players when number one draft pick Greg Oden went down with multiple knee injuries. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement allows a team to sign a replacement player for only one year, down from five years under the previous CBA.
I dont think Celtics will sign anyone. Which decent vet is available?
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Don't sign anyone, hope and pray that the reports are true that it's a clean break and there is no ligament damage.. seems the general consensus is if it is in fact a clean break, and if he rehabs well, a March return is not out of the realm of possibility.
That being said, don't sign anyone, and let's see what these young guys are about. If nothing else, the experience they get this year from this awful injury will make them that much better to come out and play next season.. hopefully with a fully recovered Gordon.
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Lets assume Hayward is out all season (may not be true):
What is Disabled Player Exception?
This exception allows a team to replace a player who has been injured and will be out the rest of the season or for the entire next season (if the injury occurs during the off-season). This exception may also be used in the tragic case of a player's death.
The team's selected replacement player may be signed for a maximum salary of either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-luxury tax paying team, whichever is less. Since this exception is dependent on a player being seriously injured, it requires an NBA-assigned physician to verify the extent of the injury. An example of this exception in action is when the Portland Trailblazers used it to sign replacement players when number one draft pick Greg Oden went down with multiple knee injuries. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement allows a team to sign a replacement player for only one year, down from five years under the previous CBA.
I dont think Celtics will sign anyone. Which decent vet is available?
Matt Barnes, Alan Anderson, Monta Ellis, Gerald Green, the Mikes (Miller and Dunleavy). That's probably the best guys out there now.
Too many inexperienced guys on our team. Not many guys Stevens could go to and trust. That's why I felt Ainge did a poor job constructing the backend of the roster with inexperienced players.
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We are still a lock for the post-season.
Apply for the exception now and sign a veteran waived by the end of the season or a player in the last year of his contract that underperformed during the year by the trade deadline: amir, joe johnson, Monroe, maybe even Bradley?
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Let's wait for buyout candidates. I'm hoping for Tyson Chandler.
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We are still a lock for the post-season.
Apply for the exception now and sign a veteran waived by the end of the season or a player in the last year of his contract that underperformed during the year by the trade deadline: amir, joe johnson, Monroe, maybe even Bradley?
Have you looked into the future to guarantee everyone else remains healthy? If Irving or Horford miss 20 games, we'd have to back into the playoffs by virtue of the other teams being bad.
I don't see any of the players you mention getting waived. If Bradley did, some team would certainly claim him.
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I'd take the flyer on Bosh now.
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Firstly Hayward has to be ruled out by doctors for the entire season, through the NBA finals. So he’d have to require recovery time of a minimum of 8 months. While that’s possible, I’m going to hope he has the potential for quicker recovery than that.
Secondly, the Celtics aren’t going to go into the luxury tax for a replacement, so the max we will sign a player for is $9 million (assuming we are awarded the exception to begin with).
Thirdly, we can also use it to trade for a player who is in the final year (including options) of his contract.
I think the best replacement we could get in the free agent market is Alexi Shved. With $9 million to spend, we could certainly afford to buy him out of his final year in Russia and give him a raise from his current salary of around $3 million.
The most interesting players we could trade for are Jabari Parker and Aaron Gordon. The cost might be steep, but Parker is certainly available, and Gordon could be too for the right draft picks.
But mostly I want to hear the Hayward will be ready to return in late March or early April. We can get to the playoffs without him, and probably still nab a top 4 seed.
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Lets assume Hayward is out all season (may not be true):
What is Disabled Player Exception?
This exception allows a team to replace a player who has been injured and will be out the rest of the season or for the entire next season (if the injury occurs during the off-season). This exception may also be used in the tragic case of a player's death.
The team's selected replacement player may be signed for a maximum salary of either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-luxury tax paying team, whichever is less. Since this exception is dependent on a player being seriously injured, it requires an NBA-assigned physician to verify the extent of the injury. An example of this exception in action is when the Portland Trailblazers used it to sign replacement players when number one draft pick Greg Oden went down with multiple knee injuries. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement allows a team to sign a replacement player for only one year, down from five years under the previous CBA.
I dont think Celtics will sign anyone. Which decent vet is available?
Matt Barnes, Alan Anderson, Monta Ellis, Gerald Green, the Mikes (Miller and Dunleavy). That's probably the best guys out there now.
Too many inexperienced guys on our team. Not many guys Stevens could go to and trust. That's why I felt Ainge did a poor job constructing the backend of the roster with inexperienced players.
I am not sure what people are expecting from Danny Ainge. He had a ton of draft picks and pretty much used them or traded them all (except LAL 2018 1st). That means there will be rookies on the roster. Did you want him to trade away Tatum, Brown, Semi-, Yabu, Theis, even Rozier for vets like Monta Ellis or Mike Dunleavy? Come on, get real.
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We are still a lock for the post-season.
Apply for the exception now and sign a veteran waived by the end of the season or a player in the last year of his contract that underperformed during the year by the trade deadline: amir, joe johnson, Monroe, maybe even Bradley?
Have you looked into the future to guarantee everyone else remains healthy? If Irving or Horford miss 20 games, we'd have to back into the playoffs by virtue of the other teams being bad.
I don't see any of the players you mention getting waived. If Bradley did, some team would certainly claim him.
Those are players that could underperform and be traded for the Cs
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Maybe some unexpected player will force a buyout, so that he can sign a nice big 1y deal with the Cs? Somebody stuck on a bad team that is not in it's future plans, but better than T.Chandler. I mean, get that buyout, Brook Lopez ;)
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Who should celts target via trade
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Maybe some unexpected player will force a buyout, so that he can sign a nice big 1y deal with the Cs? Somebody stuck on a bad team that is not in it's future plans, but better than T.Chandler. I mean, get that buyout, Brook Lopez ;)
I agree, I will wait.
The league now knows the Celtics can offer a little bit more money compare to most teams, it's not impossible to see some players to want to get a buyout and join us.
Right now, I like the Gerald Green idea. Bring him back, and leave one roster spot available for that buyout candidate. I like Brandon Rush here as well. If we want toughness, let's go for Matt Barnes (although he could be risky with his attitude).
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If we are granted the exception, I would like to see them target a 3 and D guy like Lance Thomas. I'm not sure Ojeleye is ready to play significant minutes with Hayward out.
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We need floor spacing so badly, and are so young -- I'd even consider Ray Allen.
Yes, that guy.
I mean, defenses would still have to respect the 3 right?
And we could use another leaders voice.
I know if it was me in the locker room, I'd have a hard time getting behind the new guy who, despite flying 3 days a week for work, isn't sure if we live on a round planet or not.
At the end of the day, any exception-signee isn't moving the needle.
Bottom line, Kyrie needs to step up. He has the talent.
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If we are granted the exception, I would like to see them target a 3 and D guy like Lance Thomas. I'm not sure Ojeleye is ready to play significant minutes with Hayward out.
Has too many years left on his deal. I think we're limited to FAs/Buyouts/and Final Year guys all under 9 Mil.
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It is probably best to wait for a buy-out candidate. Wade and J Green would probably love the extra money to 'star' on the Cs team right about now.
Our 9-man rotation with Hayward and Morris was incredibly solid, but it has become a bit painful now that we are down to 7. I get that Stevens has no choice but to play other players or our 'top 7' will get totally burned out, but I get uncomfortable every time anybody else is out there.
It might be best to take a flier on G Green or Monta Ellis right now, then let an end of the bench player go if a buy-out veteran becomes available.
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I'd take the flyer on Bosh now.
Yes, please.
They won't though.
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We need floor spacing so badly, and are so young -- I'd even consider Ray Allen.
Yes, that guy.
I mean, defenses would still have to respect the 3 right?
And we could use another leaders voice.
I know if it was me in the locker room, I'd have a hard time getting behind the new guy who, despite flying 3 days a week for work, isn't sure if we live on a round planet or not.
At the end of the day, any exception-signee isn't moving the needle.
Bottom line, Kyrie needs to step up. He has the talent.
He cant do it all
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Right now we need 2 things: perimeter shooting and another banger on the boards.
Morris will fill the perimeter shooting upon his return, hoping in a couple of weeks.
So let's focus on getting a strong guy. Baynes is decent is short stints. I just don't think he is quite athletic enough to play against bigs who are starters. Al certainly isn't.
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Remember we have a current spot open besides using the Disabled Player Exception. I too will wait for buyouts. I think Houston or OK will be the top 2 landing spots for Buyouts.
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I recall reading that we could also trade for a player on the last year of his contract if the salary is less than ~$8.5M
If that's the case, here are some possibilities:
Lou Williams
Ed Davis
Ersan Ilyasova
Nerlens Noel