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Title: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:16:31 PM
Wow

Video of the injury (warning: a bit gruesome): https://youtu.be/axJswI60JwE


Looks like Crowder gets underneath hayward and pushes hard, sending Hayward into an awkward landing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMYUX9wUQAA-Flw?format=jpg)

Dr. Mark Adickes‏ @jocktodoc  16m16 minutes ag
Replying to @_TheRefresher_
Video on Celtics Gordon Hayward shoes ankle fracture dislocation. Good news: he will be back @ 100%. Bad news: likely done for the year.

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https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/920448546209349632

 David J. Chao, MD‏ @ProFootballDoc

By video, unfortunately ankle fracture dislocation. Will need immediate reduction, eventual surgery. Will miss most if not all of season.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Mean Gerald Green on October 17, 2017, 08:17:26 PM
Unreal
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 17, 2017, 08:20:26 PM
Its not over it means Tatum is going to play all year.  But in a sense it is tragic and LeBron should have been whistled for a foul on that play.  They did not let him land.   
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 17, 2017, 08:21:52 PM
Over react much?

And btw, he did score. So it sounds like youíre not even watching the game.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: PhoSita on October 17, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
Unbelievable.

We literally didn't even get to see this team play together for an entire quarter.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Birdman on October 17, 2017, 08:22:30 PM
Geez...that was awful
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Fafnir on October 17, 2017, 08:22:30 PM
Awful just made me sick, trying to avoid seeing the replay for now.

Just deflated my excitement over this game/season right now.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: esel1000 on October 17, 2017, 08:22:35 PM
Well Iím sick...
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Sketch5 on October 17, 2017, 08:23:53 PM
Season not over, just no chance at a title run unless. Brown, Smart and Tatum are going to have to show up now.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:24:36 PM
Anyone familiar with recovery time for a compound fracture on a fibula or tibia
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: PhoSita on October 17, 2017, 08:24:55 PM
Anyone familiar with recovery time for a compound fracture on a fibula or tibia

Paul George
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Dino Pitino on October 17, 2017, 08:25:03 PM
Unbelievable.

We literally didn't even get to see this team play together for an entire quarter.

Unbelievable. Ugh.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: PhoSita on October 17, 2017, 08:25:31 PM
Season not over, just no chance at a title run unless. Brown, Smart and Tatum are going to have to show up now.

Realistically, it will be a hard fight just to get past the first round.

Starting lineup is now quite offensively anemic and extremely inexperienced.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Chef Parish on October 17, 2017, 08:26:26 PM
I feel bad for Gordon the competitor. Hoping for a speedy successful recovery. Get well Hayward.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: nickagneta on October 17, 2017, 08:26:31 PM
That was sickening. Just deflated my excitement for this entire season. And there's no guarantee that Hayward returns to form next season either. Not after an injury like that.

Don't even want to watch the rest of this game.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:26:50 PM
Paul george when he had a compound fracture:

There was no additional damage, according Pacers general manager Kevin Pritchard. George is expected to remain hospitalized for approximately three days.
A source indicated it'd take at least six months for George to be able to get back on his feet and longer to return to the court, putting his 2014-15 season in jeopardy


Hope he's back next year at full strength
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: ozgod on October 17, 2017, 08:27:05 PM
Disappointing news from a team point of view but more importantly best wishes to Gordon and I hope he will recover. Looks like he's gone for the season.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Fafnir on October 17, 2017, 08:28:58 PM
That was sickening. Just deflated my excitement for this entire season. And there's no guarantee that Hayward returns to form next season either. Not after an injury like that.

Don't even want to watch the rest of this game.
Right there with you going to swap to baseball I think. Still on for now as I'm just shocked.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Roy H. on October 17, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.

Prayers to Hayward and his family.  We'll get 'em next year.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 08:31:19 PM
did it look as bad as PG13 injury??  or dislocated? if anybody saw it

Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 17, 2017, 08:31:30 PM
Absolutely horrific scenario. Terrible for him, for the team. His health is of course the primary concern, but as for basketball, we might've just seen Danny's years-long rebuild go up in flames, and his 5-year plan change entirely.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Dino Pitino on October 17, 2017, 08:32:01 PM
Season isn't quite over for the team. Jaylen is the SF now. Marcus starts at SG. Still a lot possible for this team. But what a gross, disturbing way to start the year.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on October 17, 2017, 08:32:15 PM
I have not seen anything like this since Thiesman. George did not look this bad. Lebron was at fault too. It will take all I have not to hate Lejoke with a great sustain that will never waver. Praying for Heyward. We all should buy Heyward's jersey.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:32:21 PM
did it look as bad as PG13 injury??  or dislocated? if anybody saw it
https://twitter.com/_therefresher_/status/920443954679681024



Looked kind of Harsh. Part of his leg dangling and twisted. Hard to see what part of his leg he damaged, maybe fibula or tibia or ankle
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: vjcsmoke on October 17, 2017, 08:33:06 PM
This is really bad.  We were counting on Hayward to be a veteran presence, goto #2 scoring option.

And now?  Celtics are in limbo.  We have 30m in cap space tied up in Hayward.  I hope he's going to be ok but likely lost for season and C's are cap strapped now so what moves can they make?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Fafnir on October 17, 2017, 08:33:18 PM
did it look as bad as PG13 injury??  or dislocated? if anybody saw it
Yes, it looked like a compound fracture with dislocation as well. His ankle is what it looked like but not sure.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Sketch5 on October 17, 2017, 08:34:21 PM
did it look as bad as PG13 injury??  or dislocated? if anybody saw it

It looked like it was around the ankle.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 17, 2017, 08:34:29 PM
Season not over, just no chance at a title run unless. Brown, Smart and Tatum are going to have to show up now.

Realistically, it will be a hard fight just to get past the first round.

Starting lineup is now quite offensively anemic and extremely inexperienced.
What are you talking about???

We made it to the ECF last year, and didnít give up anything to get Hayward. It will be a similar season to last year. Win 1st round, tough series with Wzards/Raptors, and if we win, get destroyed by Cavs in ECF. But by no means will this put a 1st round series win in jeopardy. Think before you post.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: jbpats on October 17, 2017, 08:34:43 PM
did it look as bad as PG13 injury??  or dislocated? if anybody saw it

Worse, leg was backwards.. not trying to jump to conclusions but I canít see him returning to what he was after that.
Praying for Gordon and his family.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticSooner on October 17, 2017, 08:35:23 PM
Outlook on the season completely changed in less than 10 minutes of the season. *Sigh*
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: RJ87 on October 17, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
I was drinking in celebration. Now I'm drinking to bury the sadness.

What is this?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
Forget the season. This may have set us back a few years if Hayward doesn't come back the same
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Roy H. on October 17, 2017, 08:36:58 PM
This is really bad.  We were counting on Hayward to be a veteran presence, goto #2 scoring option.

And now?  Celtics are in limbo.  We have 30m in cap space tied up in Hayward.  I hope he's going to be ok but likely lost for season and C's are cap strapped now so what moves can they make?

We get a "Disabled Player Exception" to sign, trade for, or claim off waivers a player making up to 50% of Hayward's contract, so long as that player is signed for a one year deal or is in the last year of his contract.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Snakehead on October 17, 2017, 08:37:25 PM
I've felt sick since it happened.  I feel very bad for him most of all.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on October 17, 2017, 08:38:12 PM
I was drinking in celebration. Now I'm drinking to bury the sadness.

What is this?
Me too. It was gruesome. I have a hard time not crying.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 08:38:25 PM
Season not over, just no chance at a title run unless. Brown, Smart and Tatum are going to have to show up now.

Realistically, it will be a hard fight just to get past the first round.

Starting lineup is now quite offensively anemic and extremely inexperienced.
What are you talking about???

We made it to the ECF last year, and didnít give up anything to get Hayward. It will be a similar season to last year. Win 1st round, tough series with Wzards/Raptors, and if we win, get destroyed by Cavs in ECF. But by no means will this put a 1st round series win in jeopardy. Think before you post.
I disagree we didn't have to give up anything to get him. We made a trade to move out Bradley to clear up cap space. We also then sorta overpaid for Kyrie giving up Crowder to sorta balance things out and now here we are.
I'm not saying it will be hard to get past the first round but I disagree we didn't give up anything for him. We gave up a max contract. That's kinda important
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:38:26 PM
Anyone notice that Crowder came down and pushed him up like a bull? It causes Hayward to flip higher and his leg to land really awkward
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on October 17, 2017, 08:38:40 PM
Freaking Alley-Oops...Cost us with KG...and now Gordon.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
This is really bad.  We were counting on Hayward to be a veteran presence, goto #2 scoring option.

And now?  Celtics are in limbo.  We have 30m in cap space tied up in Hayward.  I hope he's going to be ok but likely lost for season and C's are cap strapped now so what moves can they make?

We get a "Disabled Player Exception" to sign, trade for, or claim off waivers a player making up to 50% of Hayward's contract, so long as that player is signed for a one year deal or is in the last year of his contract.
what kind of player is available? I guess we got to wait to see it anyone gets cut.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: jpurthe1 on October 17, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
Looks like a clean ankle break, he may be fortunate if ligaments are not affected.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/10/17/gordon-hayward-breaks-leg-against-cleveland-in-first-game-with-celtics/
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
did it look as bad as PG13 injury??  or dislocated? if anybody saw it
Yes, it looked like a compound fracture with dislocation as well. His ankle is what it looked like but not sure.

It looks like he landed on  the side of his foot, then his bottom part of his leg bended backwards

which means best case scenerio he broke his ankle  and tore his knee ligaments

VS

what happened to PG13 who landed like Hayward did...but on a forward motion and his femur had to bear all the weight and it snapped


really hope it is only a broken ankle mainly vs broken femur or any part of his leg bone broken
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: liam on October 17, 2017, 08:39:42 PM
Anyone notice that Crowder came down and pushed him up like a bull? It causes Hayward to flip higher and his leg to land really awkward

My 1st thought was Crowder just broke Haywards leg....
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on October 17, 2017, 08:40:01 PM
We could get an injury exception for him, right?

Not that we can find a player in Free Agency as good as Hayward, but we could atleast get some help with that (what could be) an open roster spot.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: tenn_smoothie on October 17, 2017, 08:40:05 PM
God Speed Gordon.

This was simply devastating.

Four long years of rebuilding the team gone on one dirty play.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 17, 2017, 08:40:41 PM
This is really bad.  We were counting on Hayward to be a veteran presence, goto #2 scoring option.

And now?  Celtics are in limbo.  We have 30m in cap space tied up in Hayward.  I hope he's going to be ok but likely lost for season and C's are cap strapped now so what moves can they make?

We get a "Disabled Player Exception" to sign, trade for, or claim off waivers a player making up to 50% of Hayward's contract, so long as that player is signed for a one year deal or is in the last year of his contract.
Where are we on luxury tax line?  Definitely don't want to go over that. 
Title: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS LEG, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:41:14 PM
Looks like a clean ankle break, he may be fortunate if ligaments are not affected.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/10/17/gordon-hayward-breaks-leg-against-cleveland-in-first-game-with-celtics/
thankfully. Compound injuries look bad but they're just broken bones. Bones heal.   ligaments need to be replaced a lot of the time and they don't same back the same
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 08:43:02 PM
Anyone notice that Crowder came down and pushed him up like a bull? It causes Hayward to flip higher and his leg to land really awkward

My 1st thought was Crowder just broke Haywards leg....

I don't think it was malicious... it was like a box out attempt and instead made Gordon go off balance and fall on the side of his feet which caused the injury
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: pp34isthe1 on October 17, 2017, 08:44:04 PM
Rationale side of me says this is a freak accident and no one to blame.

Other part of me is seething at Kyrie for throwing that pass against Lebron/Crowder and putting Hayward in that position.

Hope he comes back as strong as ever and no long term injuries.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: hpantazo on October 17, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
Anyone notice that Crowder came down and pushed him up like a bull? It causes Hayward to flip higher and his leg to land really awkward

Lebron hit him in mid-air
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Who on October 17, 2017, 08:45:36 PM
Sorry, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: kozlodoev on October 17, 2017, 08:46:04 PM
From the Twitter feed in the original post:

Dr. Mark Adickes‏ @jocktodoc  16m16 minutes ago
More
Replying to @_TheRefresher_
Video on Celtics Gordon Hayward shoes ankle fracture dislocation. Good news: he will be back @ 100%. Bad news: likely done for the year.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Billz401 on October 17, 2017, 08:46:19 PM
Obviously my heart goes out to Gordon, hoping for a healthy recovery. But God does this make me hate LeBron and jae tenfold.. not saying there was any malicious intent in the play but Jesus he's in a very compromising position going for the alley I wish they would've let him land.. and shame on refs for no call, gotta protect the players here
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Who on October 17, 2017, 08:46:23 PM
Sorry, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: nickagneta on October 17, 2017, 08:46:52 PM
Rationale side of me says this is a freak accident and no one to blame.

Other part of me is seething at Kyrie for throwing that pass against Lebron/Crowder and putting Hayward in that position.

Hope he comes back as strong as ever and no long term injuries.
Seething at Kyrie....now that just baffles me. You're mad at Kyrie for throwing a pass? SMH on that one.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Miranda-Kerr on October 17, 2017, 08:47:32 PM
Now even more pressure is on the young guys if there wasn't already and if rozier and co are gonna chuck up shots we'll shoot our own way out of many games

Ainge has to use that last roster spot you'd think on a veteran

Mind you I'm yet to see a single 50/50 call go our way,

With Gordon out the team will be forced to step up otherwise it's gonna be a slow start to the season
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: biggs on October 17, 2017, 08:47:45 PM
Feel so bad for him. I am speechless. Feels classless for Cleveland to still boo Kyrie at this point. LeBron ends Gordon's season 5 min into the season. We spent so long recruiting him for this to happen...

Looking forward to the young guys getting minutes and a stronger Gordon next year, but what a blow!
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: jaketwice on October 17, 2017, 08:48:08 PM
Rationale side of me says this is a freak accident and no one to blame.

Other part of me is seething at Kyrie for throwing that pass against Lebron/Crowder and putting Hayward in that position.

Hope he comes back as strong as ever and no long term injuries.
Seething at Kyrie....now that just baffles me. You're mad at Kyrie for throwing a pass? SMH on that one.

Dangerous pass. He hung him out to dry.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture before ever scoring
Post by: Bucketgetter on October 17, 2017, 08:48:17 PM
Season not over, just no chance at a title run unless. Brown, Smart and Tatum are going to have to show up now.

Realistically, it will be a hard fight just to get past the first round.

Starting lineup is now quite offensively anemic and extremely inexperienced.
What are you talking about???

We made it to the ECF last year, and didnít give up anything to get Hayward. It will be a similar season to last year. Win 1st round, tough series with Wzards/Raptors, and if we win, get destroyed by Cavs in ECF. But by no means will this put a 1st round series win in jeopardy. Think before you post.
I disagree we didn't have to give up anything to get him. We made a trade to move out Bradley to clear up cap space. We also then sorta overpaid for Kyrie giving up Crowder to sorta balance things out and now here we are.
I'm not saying it will be hard to get past the first round but I disagree we didn't give up anything for him. We gave up a max contract. That's kinda important
Thatís true, but our cap space was a chance to improve our team. The cap space we had last year played no part in us making the ECF. Does that make sense? Weíre still the same team value wise, and it was our choice to make the Kyrie deal and AB deal.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: jaketwice on October 17, 2017, 08:48:54 PM
I can't watch the game. What's happening. This is just so depressing.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 17, 2017, 08:49:26 PM
Next to Joe Theisman break ......was the worst I seen on TV ...Larwence Taylor tackle

Decapitation at Charlotte motor Speedway around 1984-85  in a Nascar lower series wreck was tops though.  Roof sheered off in a crash .we were there .  Horrible.   I never cared for racing much again.

Gordons ankle look like it exploded .
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: blink on October 17, 2017, 08:49:43 PM
Rationale side of me says this is a freak accident and no one to blame.

Other part of me is seething at Kyrie for throwing that pass against Lebron/Crowder and putting Hayward in that position.

Hope he comes back as strong as ever and no long term injuries.
Seething at Kyrie....now that just baffles me. You're mad at Kyrie for throwing a pass? SMH on that one.

Dangerous pass. He hung him out to dry.

Oh come on people.  KI isn't hanging anyone out to dry with a lob pass.  smh...I know we are mad, but lets try to not blame our own guys ok?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: BringToughnessBack on October 17, 2017, 08:51:03 PM
One of most brutal injuries ever seen in basketball. Definitely hope he recovers but we are now in worse position then last season with no bradley. We have zero second scorer option now. No foul on that play?

We are literally one injury away from lottery and being the 97 spurs. I am in Ohio now and my coworkers think there is zero chance Kyrie does not get injured. Let us hope not. We need miracle rookie performances..not likely.

So bummed...good luck Hayward...so sickening

Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 08:51:13 PM
From the Twitter feed in the original post:

Dr. Mark Adickes‏ @jocktodoc  16m16 minutes ago
More
Replying to @_TheRefresher_
Video on Celtics Gordon Hayward shoes ankle fracture dislocation. Good news: he will be back @ 100%. Bad news: likely done for the year.

hopefully not and will be back 2nd part of the 2nd half
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: kozlodoev on October 17, 2017, 08:52:15 PM
From the Twitter feed in the original post:

Dr. Mark Adickes‏ @jocktodoc  16m16 minutes ago
More
Replying to @_TheRefresher_
Video on Celtics Gordon Hayward shoes ankle fracture dislocation. Good news: he will be back @ 100%. Bad news: likely done for the year.

hopefully not and will be back 2nd part of the 2nd half
Of the game, or the season? Not that it matters, both are equally likely.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: pp34isthe1 on October 17, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Rationale side of me says this is a freak accident and no one to blame.

Other part of me is seething at Kyrie for throwing that pass against Lebron/Crowder and putting Hayward in that position.

Hope he comes back as strong as ever and no long term injuries.
Seething at Kyrie....now that just baffles me. You're mad at Kyrie for throwing a pass? SMH on that one.

Ya itís not his fault but if you rewind to him and hortford talking he says ďitís my faultĒ. Iím claiming temporary insanity for tonight so ya Iím mad at that pass being thrown.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Birdman on October 17, 2017, 08:53:10 PM
Rosier and Smart got to step up big time now
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:53:36 PM
From the Twitter feed in the original post:

Dr. Mark Adickes‏ @jocktodoc  16m16 minutes ago
More
Replying to @_TheRefresher_
Video on Celtics Gordon Hayward shoes ankle fracture dislocation. Good news: he will be back @ 100%. Bad news: likely done for the year.

hopefully not and will be back 2nd part of the 2nd half
Of the game, or the season? Not that it matters, both are equally likely.
"of the game" lol
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: D Dub on October 17, 2017, 08:54:56 PM
Jae certainly got underneath him intentionally.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 08:54:57 PM
Kyrie was prob used to sending these lobs to lebron =T
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
fractured left ankle?

hopefully no damage to ligaments/tendon
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:56:40 PM
From the Twitter feed in the original post:

Dr. Mark Adickes‏ @jocktodoc  16m16 minutes ago
More
Replying to @_TheRefresher_
Video on Celtics Gordon Hayward shoes ankle fracture dislocation. Good news: he will be back @ 100%. Bad news: likely done for the year.
I have patience so this is comforting. Id rather he be back 100% 
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Billz401 on October 17, 2017, 08:57:20 PM
Rationale side of me says this is a freak accident and no one to blame.

Other part of me is seething at Kyrie for throwing that pass against Lebron/Crowder and putting Hayward in that position.

Hope he comes back as strong as ever and no long term injuries.
Seething at Kyrie....now that just baffles me. You're mad at Kyrie for throwing a pass? SMH on that one.

Ya itís not his fault but if you rewind to him and hortford talking he says ďitís my faultĒ. Iím claiming temporary insanity for tonight so ya Iím mad at that pass being thrown.
Judging by kyrie reaction with smart and others in huddle and exchange with horford shortly after, he looked like he absolutely blames himself already and feels terrible about it. So let's give the guy some slack here when he's probably more mad at himself than any of us could possibly be.. not the biggest fan of the pass but it's not like he wanted that to happen or expected LeBron to come over and cause the injury
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: vjcsmoke on October 17, 2017, 08:57:33 PM
they are reporting fractured ankle.

i guess it all depends on the MRI and the true severity of the injury.

maybe there could be hope he recovers before the playoffs start?
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: csfansince60s on October 17, 2017, 08:57:41 PM
Looks like DWade went to the right team......birds of a feather maim together....sickening.





Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Emmette Bryant on October 17, 2017, 08:57:50 PM
where did this compound fracture stuff come from?
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 08:57:59 PM
Jae certainly got underneath him intentionally.
he didn't just get underneath but he pushes hard and kind of pushes Hayward into an awkward landing
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 08:58:27 PM
where did this compound fracture stuff come from?

broscience
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: celticinorlando on October 17, 2017, 08:58:42 PM
Never been more deflated. Just sick for GH
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Snakehead on October 17, 2017, 09:00:02 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/920448546209349632

 David J. Chao, MD‏ @ProFootballDoc

By video, unfortunately ankle fracture dislocation. Will need immediate reduction, eventual surgery. Will miss most if not all of season.


............

I don't know if they are going to say or even be able to say the extent of it right now I guess.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: csfansince60s on October 17, 2017, 09:00:34 PM
Crowder was playing with an edge all night...what endeared him to me makes me hate him and wish him and Bron Bron ill.....I don't like feeling this way.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter
Post by: jbpats on October 17, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
Nobody on Cleveland tried to hurt him.
It was a dumb pass by Kyrie, Gordon didnít have to go for it considering he was double teamed.

Get real people. It was a freak accident. Not Jae or LeQueens fault.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: ChillyWilly on October 17, 2017, 09:04:21 PM
where did this compound fracture stuff come from?

broscience


Is this an inappropriate time for a TP?
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: jpurthe1 on October 17, 2017, 09:04:49 PM
Outcomes

Although most people return to normal daily activities, except for sports, within 3 to 4 months, studies have shown that people can still be recovering up to 2 years after their ankle fractures. It may take several months for you to stop limping while you walk, and before you can return to sports at your previous competitive level. Most people return to driving within 9 to 12 weeks from the time they were injured.


http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00391
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Birdman on October 17, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
Looks like Gerald Green be back
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 09:05:24 PM
Nobody on Cleveland tried to hurt him.
It was a dumb pass by Kyrie, Gordon didnít have to go for it considering he was double teamed.

Get real people. It was a freak accident. Not Jae or LeQueens fault.
you don't think jar Crowder was playing with a chip on shoulder? Little rougher than usual
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: playdream on October 17, 2017, 09:10:53 PM
an Ankle fracture is far worse than a normal leg fracture and if the surgery didnít go well he may very likely end his career
It's better than a broken knee in nature but it's more complicated, thus the skill level of the doctor will be the center key, of course high-end rehab will also be needed for him to be him again
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE, gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: mef730 on October 17, 2017, 09:12:54 PM
where did this compound fracture stuff come from?

broscience


Is this an inappropriate time for a TP?

Nope. Smiles needed more than ever now.

Mike
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Mean Gerald Green on October 17, 2017, 09:15:17 PM
an Ankle fracture is far worse than a normal leg fracture and if the surgery didnít go well he may very likely end his career
It's better than a broken knee in nature but it's more complicated, thus the skill level of the doctor will be the center key, of course high-end rehab will also be needed for him to be him again

Will be fine by next season.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 17, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
my wife was watching .

She said it appeared to her as an enversion sprain and dislocation. Tendon damage and possible bone damage from .  the dislocation    she drew me picture .....ugh ....explained what possibly happened.....depends on whatnthe bone damage extent was was as to if career ending . All we can do,is pray.

.   
I got sick feeling watching that .   Seemed surreal.



Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on October 17, 2017, 09:15:59 PM
I'm so incredibly grateful for this place. My friends think I'm overreacting and that this doesn't affect me. But man, I was so excited for this year. This was absolutely brutal. Let's hope this team rallies around Hawyward!
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: PhoSita on October 17, 2017, 09:16:08 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.



Not even.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Smokeeye123 on October 17, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Good news is Boston has some of the best doctors in the world.

I'm sure he will be operated on by one of the worlds best.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 09:19:11 PM
When I was in my late teens I snapped my ankle. I never had a broken ankle so I just thought it was really badly sprained and drove my motorcycle home, upon which my parents immediately diagnosed we had to go to the hospital.

I believe I was told I had all three ligaments snapped, and I chipped off some ankle bone that was screwed on and got surgery.

I was running in a walking cast in 4 weeks. Then I had several weeks (maybe 8 or something) of rehab which involved a lot of stretching and range of motion stuff.

It happened in spring. I was certainly doing full athletic activity pain free by the next fall no problem. I was playing both rugby and fencing. And that was in the mid 90s. I'd like to think things are a little better now in some ways.

Luckily I don't think I messed up my tendons much and didn't fracture anything real badly, but it was a pretty bad ankle injury.

So when I hear ankle injury I try to be optimistic.  To be fair I didn't have to play at an NBA level and Gordon's situation seems worse than mine.

I think we need to wait for the MRI
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 17, 2017, 09:19:46 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.



Not even.


I ve never been so high with joy one minute and the next at the years lowest point.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Rida on October 17, 2017, 09:20:29 PM
Good news is Boston has some of the best doctors in the world.

I'm sure he will be operated on by one of the worlds best.

So does Cleveland with Cleveland Clinic, i'm sure he's in the best hands
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Roy H. on October 17, 2017, 09:21:20 PM
Sherrod is an idiot. This isn't an injury where somebody returns in 4-6 weeks. It's not a hairline fracture, it's a displacement.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Dino Pitino on October 17, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.



Not even.


I ve never been so high with joy one minute and the next at the years lowest point.

It was like fast-forwarding to the end of the season. With 81.5 games left to play.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: pp34isthe1 on October 17, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.



Not even.

Yep. Now we will be fighting between 2-5. We will be lottery bound if Kyrie goes down before ASG.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: jbpats on October 17, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
Good news is Boston has some of the best doctors in the world.

I'm sure he will be operated on by one of the worlds best.

So does Cleveland with Cleveland Clinic, i'm sure he's in the best hands

Actually makes me sick to my stomach thinking heís getting this surgery as we speak in Cleveland and not in one of Bostonís world renowned hospitals.
Hopefully Clevelandís surgeons stack up
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: j804 on October 17, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
Absolutely devastating. What sucks is they looked so good as a whole.

This team is prob barely a 6-8 seed maybe not even that. Seasons over obviously donít think theyíll be able to recover to even have a respectable season. Does GH ever even recover? This looked worse than PGs injury. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: celticinorlando on October 17, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
Gotta hope LAkers suck this year so the pick is high

Gotta hope this is the last round up for the Cavs

Gotta hope GH comes backs stronger next season

Tatum, Brown a year older...I think everyone feels that 2018 is the time Boston starts taking over the east....sucks
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 09:23:23 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.



Not even.
If we aren't title contenders it doesn't matter. Better for our draft pick. Then we get 2 lotto picks if Lakers pick comes. That's a lot of help next year to replace smart if hes a goner

Yep. Now we will be fighting between 2-5. We will be lottery bound if Kyrie goes down before ASG.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: Roy H. on October 17, 2017, 09:24:12 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.



Not even.

Yep. Now we will be fighting between 2-5. We will be lottery bound if Kyrie goes down before ASG.

If I'm being a pessimist, I ask myself if this team is that much better than the one Kyrie was leading into the lottery.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Snakehead on October 17, 2017, 09:24:42 PM
Good news is Boston has some of the best doctors in the world.

I'm sure he will be operated on by one of the worlds best.

So does Cleveland with Cleveland Clinic, i'm sure he's in the best hands

Actually makes me sick to my stomach thinking heís getting this surgery as we speak in Cleveland and not in one of Bostonís world renowned hospitals.
Hopefully Clevelandís surgeons stack up

Really dude?  Just use Google for yourself.   You clearly don't know what you're talking about and you're talking about it like it's part of the game.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 09:26:00 PM
an Ankle fracture is far worse than a normal leg fracture and if the surgery didnít go well he may very likely end his career
It's better than a broken knee in nature but it's more complicated, thus the skill level of the doctor will be the center key, of course high-end rehab will also be needed for him to be him again

Is it certain an ankle fracture always requires surgery?
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: jayk009 on October 17, 2017, 09:26:02 PM
This is absolutely terrible

I hope he can come back from this 100%, no one deserves to have an injury like this.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 17, 2017, 09:27:39 PM
just joining in the game and thread, was walking the cute dog.

geez, that was quick. season basically over almost as soon as it starts.

sigh, well, let's see just how good the kids are this season. something to watch.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Spilling Green Dye on October 17, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
I'm so incredibly grateful for this place. My friends think I'm overreacting and that this doesn't affect me. But man, I was so excited for this year. This was absolutely brutal. Let's hope this team rallies around Hawyward!

TP, I couldn't agree more.  We invested so much time dreaming of how this team will play, develop, and improve.  I imagine most of us planned out what we'd eat and drink for the game tonight, the game thread, and all 2017-2018 celticsblog threads.  And then this.  My overwhelming feeling has been that I feel absolutely awful for Hawyard... he worked so hard to get to this point, and to be re-united with his mentor to go to the next level.

This injury, given that it was by the ankle and appeared broken, is probably worse than the Paul George injury.  I'm not claiming to be a doctor, but I saw my friend compound fracture is leg in nearly the same spot, and he can't even jog years later.  It's honestly possible that Hayward's career is done.  What then?  What then when we have his salary cap hit for the next 4-years?  This is franchise changing, and in the worst way possible.  I am so depressed from it. :'(
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: mef730 on October 17, 2017, 09:29:35 PM
Good news is Boston has some of the best doctors in the world.

I'm sure he will be operated on by one of the worlds best.

So does Cleveland with Cleveland Clinic, i'm sure he's in the best hands

Actually makes me sick to my stomach thinking heís getting this surgery as we speak in Cleveland and not in one of Bostonís world renowned hospitals.
Hopefully Clevelandís surgeons stack up

Cleveland Clinic is right up there with any hospital in the country. You can be confident that the surgeons stack up.

Mike
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
via Google search on ankle fracture (general)

Your provider may do x-rays 7 to 10 days and 1 month after your injury to see how your ankle is healing. Your provider will let you know when you can return to regular activities and sports. Most people need at least 6 to 10 weeks to fully heal.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 09:31:40 PM
The subject on this thread should be adjusted

nothing is certain

season might not be over
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on October 17, 2017, 09:32:20 PM
Man this really stinks...Get well SOON Mr. Hayward.

Was super high on the potential of this team--with all the talent...Maybe some good will come out of this--TONS of playing time for Tatum--Kid looks lost out there so far anyway.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward gets a compound fracture in 1st quarter
Post by: pp34isthe1 on October 17, 2017, 09:33:26 PM
There are no words.  Our status as Conference contenders lasted 6 minutes.



Not even.

Yep. Now we will be fighting between 2-5. We will be lottery bound if Kyrie goes down before ASG.

If I'm being a pessimist, I ask myself if this team is that much better than the one Kyrie was leading into the lottery.

I agree. I never thought of Hayward as being the deciding factor between contention and lottery.

Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Snakehead on October 17, 2017, 09:33:31 PM
I'm so incredibly grateful for this place. My friends think I'm overreacting and that this doesn't affect me. But man, I was so excited for this year. This was absolutely brutal. Let's hope this team rallies around Hawyward!

TP, I couldn't agree more.  We invested so much time dreaming of how this team will play, develop, and improve. 

Me and my firend that are very into the team both have been so down since it happened.  I think we're all here because we take the team really seriously and it's a sad moment.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: playdream on October 17, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
(https://goo.gl/SkNrby)

The hard part is if the bone is affected and changed it's place it needs to be put back to Original place in order for all the parts(other bones, ligaments) to function smoothly

The problem is unless you know Gordon's original bone alignment(every body is different and his right is also different to his left) before injury(which is almost impossible), it's very very hard to do it
Even a slight difference of place or degree of the bone can affect his joiint(assume we are talking about high end performance, normal life will be fine)
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 09:34:21 PM
Why hasn't Hayward been transfered to the hospital?   If it was serious or immediate surgery required, he should be transported
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: playdream on October 17, 2017, 09:40:25 PM
Why hasn't Hayward been transfered to the hospital?   If it was serious or immediate surgery required, he should be transported
It's likely not a emergency surgery so he may be consulting to choose which hospital or doctor
he want to have, for he need to prepare his body for the surgery anyway
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Smokeeye123 on October 17, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
Sherrod is an idiot. This isn't an injury where somebody returns in 4-6 weeks. It's not a hairline fracture, it's a displacement.

Blows my mind how he still has a job as the Celtics 'insider'
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: playdream on October 17, 2017, 09:49:14 PM
an Ankle fracture is far worse than a normal leg fracture and if the surgery didnít go well he may very likely end his career
It's better than a broken knee in nature but it's more complicated, thus the skill level of the doctor will be the center key, of course high-end rehab will also be needed for him to be him again

Is it certain an ankle fracture always requires surgery?
Of course not always, if you are lucky enough that is...
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Roy H. on October 17, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Sherrod is an idiot. This isn't an injury where somebody returns in 4-6 weeks. It's not a hairline fracture, it's a displacement.

Blows my mind how he still has a job as the Celtics 'insider'

I mean, anybody who can talk into a camera has to be at least as good, right?

The guy actually misinforms more than he adds anything productive.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: CelticsFan166 on October 17, 2017, 09:52:50 PM
Hopefully Baynes can lend Hayward a leg for the next few months, he's got 3 after all
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 09:57:56 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 10:02:32 PM
He may be flown to Boston. Celtics medical staff discussing all options.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
He may be flown to Boston. Celtics medical staff discussing all options.

honestly , just get the surgery asap

what if the bloodflow is blocked and causes more problems

Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Bobshot on October 17, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
This is a heckuva bummer to come home to. You just never know in sports. Yesterday it was Rodgers.

You can only hope he recovers to play again. Reminds me of George's injury. Displaced fracture like that probably means the season.

An opportunity for Tatum and Brown, who will surely see more minutes. They have enough depth to absorb this injury, with Morris up front as well.

Hayward was not much of a factor pre-season. I got the impression he was still getting acclimated. No question this puts Tatum in the limelight.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
delete
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Moranis on October 17, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
He may be flown to Boston. Celtics medical staff discussing all options.

honestly , just get the surgery asap

what if the bloodflow is blocked and causes more problems
yeah. Do the surgery in Cleveland. It isn't like there isn't a world renowned hospital in the city and travel can make those things worse
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 10:28:34 PM
Confirmed. He's flying back to boston tonight
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on October 17, 2017, 10:32:33 PM
They set the bone back on the court is very good news.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 10:33:39 PM
They set the bone back on the court is very good news.
wow. Very impressive.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: merkins on October 17, 2017, 10:36:52 PM
Its over
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: jpotter33 on October 17, 2017, 10:38:26 PM
Confirmed. He's flying back to boston tonight

This suggests to me that he's not as bad as everyone initially assumed. Really would love to see him back by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: trickybilly on October 17, 2017, 10:40:16 PM
They set the bone back on the court is very good news.

What? Are you sure? How do you know that?
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Snakehead on October 17, 2017, 10:40:28 PM
https://twitter.com/trenni/status/920478684653522944

 Trenni Kusnierek‏ @trenni

Mike Gorman says on @NBCSBoston early indication is that Haywardís fracture is clean. No ligament or blood vessel damage. #Celtics
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: playdream on October 17, 2017, 10:41:01 PM
They set the bone back on the court is very good news.
wow. Very impressive.
Yes it is, so glad Ainge changed the medical staff
OH and drafted Tatum
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 10:42:59 PM
Its over
NOTHING IS OVER! NOTHING!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8EP94smK_Eg/URF795-z3SI/AAAAAAAAJZY/FaSS3PtwaQY/s1600/fight-in-shade.gif)
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: playdream on October 17, 2017, 10:43:19 PM
https://twitter.com/trenni/status/920478684653522944

 Trenni Kusnierek‏ @trenni

Mike Gorman says on @NBCSBoston early indication is that Haywardís fracture is clean. No ligament or blood vessel damage. #Celtics
I guess when they put the bones back they found out the pain reduced alot or he can move the ankle smoothly, that's a hell of a good news
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: CelticSooner on October 17, 2017, 10:43:19 PM
Man the C's are right there again I can taste it.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: blink on October 17, 2017, 10:44:02 PM
https://twitter.com/trenni/status/920478684653522944

 Trenni Kusnierek‏ @trenni

Mike Gorman says on @NBCSBoston early indication is that Haywardís fracture is clean. No ligament or blood vessel damage. #Celtics

Oh man that would be sooo good if this is even a little better than expected.
Prayers to GH..  I just hope he can return to the court, if it is next year so be it.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: jpotter33 on October 17, 2017, 10:45:29 PM
Its over
NOTHING IS OVER! NOTHING!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8EP94smK_Eg/URF795-z3SI/AAAAAAAAJZY/FaSS3PtwaQY/s1600/fight-in-shade.gif)

God that was such an epic quote in a great movie. TP.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 17, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
Its a lot better than expected. There were people concerned he may never be the same or that it's a Shaun Livingston situation. It looks like the type of injury where a surgery and 6 month recovery and we'll get him back
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This is Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/a5/65/e9a565fd5e38ebae33618209ec2fac09--new-england-football-england-patriots.jpg)

(http://q.likesuccess.com/73/3606193-bill-belichick-do-your-job.jpg)

Now just stop
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Snakehead on October 17, 2017, 10:49:47 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.



Keep it at the bootcamp man, this is a basketball forum.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 10:53:16 PM
Tim Bontemps: Brad Stevens says Gordon Hayward has a dislocated ankle and a fractured tibia. Ė via Twitter TimBontemps
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
Its over
NOTHING IS OVER! NOTHING!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8EP94smK_Eg/URF795-z3SI/AAAAAAAAJZY/FaSS3PtwaQY/s1600/fight-in-shade.gif)

God that was such an epic quote in a great movie. TP.
It is not from a movie.

The man that said it was named Dienekes
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: merkins on October 17, 2017, 10:54:33 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.

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Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 10:54:57 PM
crappy...not happy to hear a fractured tibia

He is done for the season then

hope he heals as soon as possible .  This is more important than basketball

Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 10:56:13 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.



Keep it at the bootcamp man, this is a basketball forum.
A Boston basketball forum.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: trickybilly on October 17, 2017, 10:56:27 PM
That reject-screen curl alley-oop thing that is Gordon's signature, what happens to that now?

Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 10:57:44 PM
That reject-screen curl alley-oop thing that is Gordon's signature, what happens to that now?

He continues doing it (maybe less often)

He is going to continue to play the way he knows
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: trickybilly on October 17, 2017, 10:59:11 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/a5/65/e9a565fd5e38ebae33618209ec2fac09--new-england-football-england-patriots.jpg)

(http://q.likesuccess.com/73/3606193-bill-belichick-do-your-job.jpg)

Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.

Speaking of harsh, I wonder if Danny is thinking trade him now...
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.


Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.
Feel?

If we could stop the defeatism after we came within 3 points of beating the Cavs on their home court without Hayward or Morris that would be great.

Despair isn't a strategy and never was.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 17, 2017, 10:59:21 PM
Some tibial shaft fractures heal within 4 months, yet many may take 6 months or longer to heal. This is particularly true with open fractures and fractures in patients who are less healthy.

+ he is going to need rehab/strengthening/condition

Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 10:59:48 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.



Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.

Speaking of harsh, I wonder if Danny is thinking trade him now...
Maybe if he can get great value.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: guava_wrench on October 17, 2017, 11:02:21 PM
Some tibial shaft fractures heal within 4 months, yet many may take 6 months or longer to heal. This is particularly true with open fractures and fractures in patients who are less healthy.

+ he is going to need rehab/strengthening/condition
But he has 2 extra weeks with early season start, so playoffs is possible!
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 17, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.


Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.
Feel?

If we could stop the defeatism after we came within 3 points of beating the Cavs on their home court without Hayward or Morris that would be great.

Despair isn't a strategy and never was.
good point and CBS approves of it. this will be a fun team to watch this year if they as hard as they did tonight.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 11:03:06 PM
Some tibial shaft fractures heal within 4 months, yet many may take 6 months or longer to heal. This is particularly true with open fractures and fractures in patients who are less healthy.

+ he is going to need rehab/strengthening/condition
But he has 2 extra weeks with early season start, so playoffs is possible!
And there's the all star week. Plus he hurt it very early in the game so there's an extra 2 hours
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: trickybilly on October 17, 2017, 11:07:45 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.



Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.

Speaking of harsh, I wonder if Danny is thinking trade him now...
Maybe if he can get great value.

Davis for Gordy, Lakers pick, Memphis pick, Nader? Salaries work.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.



Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.

Speaking of harsh, I wonder if Danny is thinking trade him now...
Maybe if he can get great value.

Davis for Gordy, Lakers pick, Memphis pick, Nader? Salaries work.
He'd have to run it by Stevens who'd probably love it
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: Chris22 on October 17, 2017, 11:14:17 PM
$120 million dollars down the drain...
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 17, 2017, 11:22:03 PM
I feel,like I ve just been part of a bad dream.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 17, 2017, 11:22:24 PM
Ohhhh noooo. Haywards ankle is hurt. Sniffle. It's alll ovvverr.  I'm crying.

Listen to yourselves.

Stop it. Just stop it right now. Every single one of you stop it.


This Flutie and Brady land. Just stop it right now.


Now just stop

The season I and many others who have been waiting to see led by our new big three is in fact over.  Losing Hayward hurts.  You can spam all next man up pics and gifs you want if it make you feel better boss.
Feel?

If we could stop the defeatism after we came within 3 points of beating the Cavs on their home court without Hayward or Morris that would be great.

Despair isn't a strategy and never was.
good point and CBS approves of it. this will be a fun team to watch this year if they as hard as they did tonight.

I know I'm a natural pessimist when it comes to sports, so take this with a huge grain of salt, but I can see tonight's near-win being sort of the high point of the season. Sure, they're still a good team, and should get better as the season goes on, and they'll still (probably) have a good record and (maybe) have home court at least in the first round, but this team has a lot of youth and inexperience, and for every "near-win" or "moral victory" (or actual win) against a Cleveland or Golden State or Houston, there will probably be two or three disappointing performances against mediocre or sub-.500 teams.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: trickybilly on October 18, 2017, 03:21:56 AM
So did they "re-locate" the ankle on the court? The pain from the fracture being moved while they did that must've been fun for old Gordy..

Dude must be super p---ed. Look forward to hearing what he has to say about the play, and rehab generally.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 03:31:08 AM
https://twitter.com/_TyAnderson/status/920531814120394753  He flew with the team back to boston
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 18, 2017, 04:34:22 AM
Waawaawaa.

My infant niece cries less than the sissies on this blog.

Hayward is a very good player, but he is certainly not Lebron.

This almost guarantees that Jaylen, Tatum, and Smart will get extended minutes this year, thus expediting their development.

If you thought that the Celtics were going to beat GS, you're crazy.

Waaaaaaa.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Casperian on October 18, 2017, 05:04:47 AM
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Karma's a ****

- Isaiah Thomas

Get well soon, Gordon.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: j804 on October 18, 2017, 05:19:02 AM
Quote
Karma's a ****

- Isaiah Thomas

Get well soon, Gordon.
Did IT really say that? Thatís cold blooded not on the Celts but on Gordonís part.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 06:07:42 AM
Quote
Karma's a ****

- Isaiah Thomas

Get well soon, Gordon.
Did IT really say that? Thatís cold blooded not on the Celts but on Gordonís part.

I'm going to hazard a guess that no, IT didn't say that.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: crownontherocks on October 18, 2017, 06:09:54 AM
Quote
Karma's a ****

- Isaiah Thomas

Get well soon, Gordon.
Did IT really say that? Thatís cold blooded not on the Celts but on Gordonís part.

I'm going to hazard a guess that no, IT didn't say that.

I dont think he did
I did hear IT was with GH in the locker room
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Drucci on October 18, 2017, 06:18:33 AM
Here goes the excitement for the season... and possibly our future.

Terrible injury, I feel very bad for Gordon Hayward who didn't even have the chance to start this new chapter of his career. Hope he recovers well and as quickly as possible but I think he is at least out for this season and part of the next one.

I'm sure stupid Utah fans will bring up the word "karma". You could tell how bad it was seeing the reaction of Celtics and Cavs players alike after the injury.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: chambers on October 18, 2017, 06:26:09 AM
I mean it really sucks but there is some positive to look forward to here.

Tatum and Brown at ages 19 and 20 looked incredibly composed in the 2nd half.
Personally I'm still really excited about this season to see these two guys develop.
Marcus Smart and Rozier were incredible too.

Hayward's injury is devastating for our chances at potentially making the finals, but we can still strive to make the ECF as a goal and watch Brown/Tatum/Smart/Rozier all develop.

Kyrie looks simply amazing in catch and shoot situations as well. And he had 10 assists!

Plenty to still smile about while we mourn the loss of Hayward.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Green-18 on October 18, 2017, 06:33:02 AM
Here goes the excitement for the season... and possibly our future.

Terrible injury, I feel very bad for Gordon Hayward who didn't even have the chance to start this new chapter of his career. Hope he recovers well and as quickly as possible but I think he is at least out for this season and part of the next one.

I'm sure stupid Utah fans will bring up the word "karma". You could tell how bad it was seeing the reaction of Celtics and Cavs players alike after the injury.

Lots of "cautious optimism" coming from doctors that have commented on the nature of the injury.  It obviously sucks to see him get hurt like that but I honestly felt bad for Gordon.  As a Celtics fan my only concern is/was the potential for Gordon to come back at 100% in the future.  All early indications show that a full recovery is very likely.  The only thing it hurts for this season is our ability to beat the Cavs in the ECF.  I still think this team has the talent to put up a fight against Toronto, Washington, Milwaukee etc. 

All we can root for as fans is for this team to max out its potential with the current roster.

The good news for us is that we are absolutely loaded with young talent and I still am pumped to see the everyone's development throughout the season.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Surferdad on October 18, 2017, 06:43:24 AM
I mean it really sucks but there is some positive to look forward to here.

Tatum and Brown at ages 19 and 20 looked incredibly composed in the 2nd half.
Personally I'm still really excited about this season to see these two guys develop.
Marcus Smart and Rozier were incredible too.

Hayward's injury is devastating for our chances at potentially making the finals, but we can still strive to make the ECF as a goal and watch Brown/Tatum/Smart/Rozier all develop.

Kyrie looks simply amazing in catch and shoot situations as well. And he had 10 assists!

Plenty to still smile about while we mourn the loss of Hayward.
Pretty much my feeling as well.  I am not able to read all the threads and comments, just too painful an event.  However, I take solace in that the young guys will get more PT and may develop faster.  Those guys you listed are all 23 or under!
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Drucci on October 18, 2017, 06:45:03 AM
Here goes the excitement for the season... and possibly our future.

Terrible injury, I feel very bad for Gordon Hayward who didn't even have the chance to start this new chapter of his career. Hope he recovers well and as quickly as possible but I think he is at least out for this season and part of the next one.

I'm sure stupid Utah fans will bring up the word "karma". You could tell how bad it was seeing the reaction of Celtics and Cavs players alike after the injury.

Lots of "cautious optimism" coming from doctors that have commented on the nature of the injury.  It obviously sucks to see him get hurt like that but I honestly felt bad for Gordon.  As a Celtics fan my only concern is/was the potential for Gordon to come back at 100% in the future.  All early indications show that a full recovery is very likely.  The only thing it hurts for this season is our ability to beat the Cavs in the ECF.  I still think this team has the talent to put up a fight against Toronto, Washington, Milwaukee etc. 

All we can root for as fans is for this team to max out its potential with the current roster.

The good news for us is that we are absolutely loaded with young talent and I still am pumped to see the everyone's development throughout the season.

Yes, I was really impressed by Brown, he looks like a totally different player from last year. Very confident. Tatum looked good for a rookie too so hopefully more playing time will allow them to improve quickly and become key players.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Green-18 on October 18, 2017, 06:51:57 AM
I mean it really sucks but there is some positive to look forward to here.

Tatum and Brown at ages 19 and 20 looked incredibly composed in the 2nd half.
Personally I'm still really excited about this season to see these two guys develop.
Marcus Smart and Rozier were incredible too.

Hayward's injury is devastating for our chances at potentially making the finals, but we can still strive to make the ECF as a goal and watch Brown/Tatum/Smart/Rozier all develop.

Kyrie looks simply amazing in catch and shoot situations as well. And he had 10 assists!

Plenty to still smile about while we mourn the loss of Hayward.
Pretty much my feeling as well.  I am not able to read all the threads and comments, just too painful an event.  However, I take solace in that the young guys will get more PT and may develop faster.  Those guys you listed are all 23 or under!

I agree with both of you.  I have always been a fan that tries to enjoy the ride and fortunately we have a coach that will get the most out of our group.  There is so much to look forward to for this season and I have zero doubts that this is going to be a fun team to watch. 

Imagine if the Hayward injury happened with the same roster from last season.  That would have truly been devastating as a fan. 
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 18, 2017, 07:04:13 AM
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened with the same roster from last season.  That would have truly been devastating as a fan.
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened while Thomas was still on the roster. We'd be looking for Jae Crowder to carry the team...
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Androslav on October 18, 2017, 07:13:41 AM
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened with the same roster from last season.  That would have truly been devastating as a fan.
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened while Thomas was still on the roster. We'd be looking for Jae Crowder to carry the team...
TP.
Yes, that is the risk that most trade skeptics neglected.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: PAOBoston on October 18, 2017, 07:14:49 AM
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened with the same roster from last season.  That would have truly been devastating as a fan.
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened while Thomas was still on the roster. We'd be looking for Jae Crowder to carry the team...
This thought actually came to me a few minutes after the injury. It could have been a lot worse.

Either way, the season is not lost. 81 games left. This is still a playoff team and players like JB, JT,  and Semi will greatly benefit from the exposure they will get in the coming months.

Let's hope GH has a good surgery and that maybe he can come back by playoff time.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 18, 2017, 08:02:08 AM
The downside is this stinks.   The silver lining is that Tatum and Brown are going to play and develop big time.  The following year this will make us a ton stronger!  I am still sad over it but this will help us in the long run it is just one of those things that doesn't seem that way at first.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: jambr380 on October 18, 2017, 08:16:51 AM
Waawaawaa.

My infant niece cries less than the sissies on this blog.

Hayward is a very good player, but he is certainly not Lebron.

This almost guarantees that Jaylen, Tatum, and Smart will get extended minutes this year, thus expediting their development.

If you thought that the Celtics were going to beat GS, you're crazy.

Waaaaaaa.

Not really helpful. A lot of us devote too much of our personal time - even during the summer - to researching, discussing, and watching the Cs. Expectations were high this season and to not even get a 1/2 quarter of basketball of our exciting new team is disappointing. People should be allowed to vent even if you think you are too cool to do so.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 08:29:40 AM
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened with the same roster from last season.  That would have truly been devastating as a fan.
Imagine if the Hayward injury happened while Thomas was still on the roster. We'd be looking for Jae Crowder to carry the team...

Of course, without the trade, the injury never happens.  For all we know, a never-traded Jae would have undercut a jumping Lebron and ended his season.

The injury sucks enough without going down the hypothetical road.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: triboy16f on October 18, 2017, 08:37:14 AM
Crossing fingers season is not over... We will see what the doctors say
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 18, 2017, 08:42:50 AM
Waawaawaa.

My infant niece cries less than the sissies on this blog.

Hayward is a very good player, but he is certainly not Lebron.

This almost guarantees that Jaylen, Tatum, and Smart will get extended minutes this year, thus expediting their development.

If you thought that the Celtics were going to beat GS, you're crazy.

Waaaaaaa.

Not really helpful. A lot of us devote too much of our personal time - even during the summer - to researching, discussing, and watching the Cs. Expectations were high this season and to not even get a 1/2 quarter of basketball of our exciting new team is disappointing. People should be allowed to vent even if you think you are too cool to do so.

Not an issue of being cool. Just not being chicken little. The Celtics were not favored to win a ring yesterday, and they aren't today. The season is not over. I was pointing out that many are acting weak here. Many teams have overcome injuries to have good seasons. There are many potential positives that could come out of this season. To say that the season is over is foolish.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: danglertx on October 18, 2017, 08:59:34 AM
Crossing fingers season is not over... We will see what the doctors say

I'm almost positive Hayward could be back if they wanted him to come back.  While the dislocations and breaks are horrific looking injuries, they aren't the worst injuries.  Look at Kobe, you couldn't even tell anything happened to him other than his limp, but a torn Achilles tendon is something players have a really hard time coming back to their old selves from.   Edelman's knee injury didn't look bad at all, most of the time that is a two year injury before the player has all the explosion back he had before.

Seriousness wise, I don't think this injury is that bad.  Bones heal really well and remarkably quickly.  Often the bone is stronger after it heals than it was before.  Other than that San Fransisco pitcher, I think it was a guy named Black but I could be wrong, who had a tumor that weakened his forearm and Romo with is clavicle, I can't think of any athlete that has broken a major bone, not including something like the hamate bone for hitters, more than once.      Dislocations pop back in and as long as all the tendons aren't torn it is like a really bad sprain. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hayward back in late January or early February.  Athletes at this young age heal quickly.  How effective he will be could be another matter with his conditioning and skill loss from not playing.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: triboy16f on October 18, 2017, 09:10:38 AM
What are the chances GH career is finished or he will never be the same again?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Eddie20 on October 18, 2017, 09:18:52 AM
What are the chances GH career is finished or he will never be the same again?


Extremely high....if this were the 1920's
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: jpotter33 on October 18, 2017, 09:28:47 AM
Has anyone heard any updates on Gordy yet? I'm still praying it's less than six months to give him a reasonable chance of getting back on the court this season, even if he's rusty as all get out.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Kuberski33 on October 18, 2017, 09:31:07 AM
Has anyone heard any updates on Gordy yet?
I imagine we won't hear anything till ownership/management has been totally debriefed by doctors and med staff.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Eddie20 on October 18, 2017, 09:38:27 AM
Has anyone heard any updates on Gordy yet? I'm still praying it's less than six months to give him a reasonable chance of getting back on the court this season, even if he's rusty as all get out.

All I've heard is he'll have surgery today, not in a couple of days as some reported.
Title: Re: Season over- HAYWARD BREAKS ANKLE in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation)
Post by: triboy16f on October 18, 2017, 09:42:50 AM
Recent Speculation

Determining how long Hayward will be sidelined is difficult as injuries of this magnitude rarely have a good comparison, especially in the NBA. Initial associations to Paul Georgeís gruesome leg injury during the summer of 2014 are natural but the two injuries are drastically different. Georgeís injury was an open fracture of both the tibia and the fibula. Though a rod was eventually inserted to stabilize the fracture site, the break actually occurred in a favorable location. By breaking the bones near the mid-shaft, George was able to avoid extensive ligament and tendon damage. However, it is unlikely Hayward was as fortunate. His break occurred at the distal end of the tibia, a site that serves as an anchor site for multiple ligaments. Furthermore, it is rare that a dislocation occurs without some level of ligament or soft tissue damage. Damage to the articular cartilage of the talus must also be considered. Ė via In Street Clothes
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Kuberski33 on October 18, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Has anyone heard any updates on Gordy yet? I'm still praying it's less than six months to give him a reasonable chance of getting back on the court this season, even if he's rusty as all get out.

All I've heard is he'll have surgery today, not in a couple of days as some reported.
Guessing he's already had it. 
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Roy H. on October 18, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Has anyone heard any updates on Gordy yet? I'm still praying it's less than six months to give him a reasonable chance of getting back on the court this season, even if he's rusty as all get out.

Not yet.

This article includes some speculation:

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Determining how long Hayward will be sidelined is difficult as injuries of this magnitude rarely have a good comparison, especially in the NBA. Initial associations to Paul Georgeís gruesome leg injury during the summer of 2014 are natural but the two injuries are drastically different. Georgeís injury was an open fracture of both the tibia and the fibula. Though a rod was eventually inserted to stabilize the fracture site, the break actually occurred in a favorable location. By breaking the bones near the mid-shaft, George was able to avoid extensive ligament and tendon damage.

However, it is unlikely Hayward was as fortunate. His break occurred at the distal end of the tibia, a site that serves as an anchor site for multiple ligaments. Furthermore, it is rare that a dislocation occurs without some level of ligament or soft tissue damage. Damage to the articular cartilage of the talus must also be considered.

Surgery to fix the area will likely involve surgical screws and a plate, not a rod. These implants help stabilize the injury site as the associated ligament damage heals. Any complex ligament injuries may need to be surgically addressed as well.

The closest comparable injury in the InStreetClothes.com NBA Injury Database occurred during the 2006-07 season when 76ers forward Shavlik Randolph suffered a broken and dislocated left ankle. The injury occurred in practice and wasnít televised but the scene was reported as ďgruesome.Ē Randolph underwent surgery later that day and missed the remaining 68 games of the season.

http://instreetclothes.com/2017/10/17/understanding-gordon-haywards-gruesome-ankle-injury/
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on October 18, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Crossing fingers season is not over... We will see what the doctors say

Here is doctor's take : https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2017/10/17/injury-analysis-celtics-gordon-hayward-back-late-season/ (https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2017/10/17/injury-analysis-celtics-gordon-hayward-back-late-season/)
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: triboy16f on October 18, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
Crossing fingers season is not over... We will see what the doctors say

Here is doctor's take : https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2017/10/17/injury-analysis-celtics-gordon-hayward-back-late-season/ (https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2017/10/17/injury-analysis-celtics-gordon-hayward-back-late-season/)

Thanks

But want to hear from the doctor on site that has access to xrays etc already

Not these from a far guesses.   Even by doctors
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: jbpats on October 18, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
Co-worker just mentioned we'll know more at 4:30 during Steven's press conference. Fingers crossed it's somewhat good news.
Prayers out for Gordon and his family.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: dreamgreen on October 18, 2017, 10:08:02 AM
I'm so upset!

Also like to note Hayward and Horford were taken out in mid air, not even a foul in Haywards case. Thought it was automatic if you hit someone in mid air?

Regardless I'm totally bummed out! :'(
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: gouki88 on October 18, 2017, 10:15:38 AM
I'm so upset!

Also like to note Hayward and Horford were taken out in mid air, not even a foul in Haywards case. Thought it was automatic if you hit someone in mid air?

Regardless I'm totally bummed out! :'(
Unlikely to get those kind of calls against LeBron and Wade
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 18, 2017, 11:01:07 AM
Waawaawaa.

My infant niece cries less than the sissies on this blog.

Hayward is a very good player, but he is certainly not Lebron.

This almost guarantees that Jaylen, Tatum, and Smart will get extended minutes this year, thus expediting their development.

If you thought that the Celtics were going to beat GS, you're crazy.

Waaaaaaa.

Not really helpful. A lot of us devote too much of our personal time - even during the summer - to researching, discussing, and watching the Cs. Expectations were high this season and to not even get a 1/2 quarter of basketball of our exciting new team is disappointing. People should be allowed to vent even if you think you are too cool to do so.

Not an issue of being cool. Just not being chicken little. The Celtics were not favored to win a ring yesterday, and they aren't today. The season is not over. I was pointing out that many are acting weak here. Many teams have overcome injuries to have good seasons. There are many potential positives that could come out of this season. To say that the season is over is foolish.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 12:44:15 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SiriusXMNBA/status/920634112406376449
Orthopedic Surgeon & TSL's official Doctor Fred Cushner says "yes, I do think it's possible" that Gordon Hayward will be back this year
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 18, 2017, 12:45:39 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SiriusXMNBA/status/920634112406376449
Orthopedic Surgeon & TSL's official Doctor Fred Cushner says "yes, I do think it's possible" that Gordon Hayward will be back this year
Anything is possible.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Casperian on October 18, 2017, 03:00:50 PM
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Karma's a ****

- Isaiah Thomas

Get well soon, Gordon.
Did IT really say that? Thatís cold blooded not on the Celts but on Gordonís part.

To clarify: No, IT didnt say that. He's a good guy.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 18, 2017, 07:18:17 PM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: D Dub on October 18, 2017, 07:25:49 PM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 18, 2017, 07:27:04 PM
lol just realized this thread was called "Season over"

We get to watch a great young exciting team that should compete for HCA in the playoffs.

Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 18, 2017, 07:48:03 PM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: PhoSita on October 18, 2017, 08:43:46 PM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?


The season we THOUGHT we were going to watch is over.  Winning 55-60 games, making a run at the Finals, finally beating Bron.  It's over.

But we still have a team to watch and they're going to fight to make the playoffs and maybe compete to win a series.  Lots of young guys to develop.  And all the way they'll be playing with house money because everybody understands they can't accomplish what they might have if Hayward hadn't gotten hurt.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: j804 on October 18, 2017, 08:58:29 PM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 27, 2017, 12:05:01 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: droopdog7 on October 27, 2017, 12:55:37 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 27, 2017, 06:28:12 AM
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Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?

Only the sky is falling Chicken Little crowd, thought that.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 27, 2017, 07:01:34 AM
The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.
The guy averaged 20 ppg once in his career. CB is a funny place.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: gouki88 on October 27, 2017, 07:25:47 AM
The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.
The guy averaged 20 ppg once in his career. CB is a funny place.
That doesn't take away from the fact that over the last 3 seasons (ignoring the 5 minutes he played this year) he's averaged 20/5/4 on 45/37/82 shooting %'s. For a guy who has never averaged 16 FGA's per game that's pretty good.

It's also a function of the incredibly slow offense Snyder ran last year in Utah. Per100 possessions Hayward was a beast.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 27, 2017, 07:30:45 AM
The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.
The guy averaged 20 ppg once in his career. CB is a funny place.
That doesn't take away from the fact that over the last 3 seasons (ignoring the 5 minutes he played this year) he's averaged 20/5/4 on 45/37/82 shooting %'s. For a guy who has never averaged 16 FGA's per game that's pretty good.

It's also a function of the incredibly slow offense Snyder ran last year in Utah. Per100 possessions Hayward was a beast.
I agree with everything you said, just disagree with the idea that we lost some sort of walking scoring machine. Irving and Thomas are guys that can "give you 20 in their sleep", Hayward is probably not so much. But he is a very good player that will score a lot of points for us.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 27, 2017, 08:12:09 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Green-18 on October 27, 2017, 09:21:31 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?

Great points.  Brad is the ultimate equalizer against the rest of the East.  Our raw talent is finally on par with Washington, Toronto, and Milwaukee.  I'm not sure how far we will go but I believe that Brad can mitigate our lack of experience once the playoffs arrive.   
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: droopdog7 on October 27, 2017, 09:37:07 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
We may well have lost to the Cavs this year with Hayward.  But his injury has significantly reduced whatever chancer we had.  I guess you didnít need to watch the season play out since you already knew the outcome but I was looking forward to watching the team in the finals.  At least thatís the attitude I was taking and something much more enjoyable than watching the kids grow.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Green-18 on October 27, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
We may well have lost to the Cavs this year with Hayward.  But his injury has significantly reduced whatever chancer we had.  I guess you didnít need to watch the season play out since you already knew the outcome but I was looking forward to watching the team in the finals.  At least thatís the attitude I was taking and something much more enjoyable than watching the kids grow.

Just curious, how would you feel if this team made it to the Conference finals and pushed Cleveland to 6 or 7 games in a tightly contested series?  I know we all want to see a Finals run but I would have zero complaints if this ended up happening.  To me this result would represent a lot more than simply watching the kids grow.  A great conference finals appearance would only solidify my belief that this team has a chance to beat Golden State at some point in the future.  Obviously there are no guarantees but the core of Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Horford has a chance to be very special.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: JBcat on October 27, 2017, 09:50:02 AM
I hate saying this as I really like Hayward, but I had preferred Griffin over Hayward (before losing Crowder in the Irving trade). Griffin was thought of the more injury risk(go figure), but a higher upside.  He is off to a great start this year.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: droopdog7 on October 27, 2017, 09:55:25 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
We may well have lost to the Cavs this year with Hayward.  But his injury has significantly reduced whatever chancer we had.  I guess you didnít need to watch the season play out since you already knew the outcome but I was looking forward to watching the team in the finals.  At least thatís the attitude I was taking and something much more enjoyable than watching the kids grow.

Just curious, how would you feel if this team made it to the Conference finals and pushed Cleveland to 6 or 7 games in a tightly contested series?  I know we all want to see a Finals run but I would have zero complaints if this ended up happening.  To me this result would represent a lot more than simply watching the kids grow.  A great conference finals appearance would only solidify my belief that this team has a chance to beat Golden State at some point in the future.  Obviously there are no guarantees but the core of Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Horford has a chance to be very special.
Assuming no Hayward, Iíd probably be at least somewhat upset because with Hayward we might well have beat them. I mean, itíd be exciting at the same time but you canít ignore that we lost a significant opportunity here. 
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 27, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
We may well have lost to the Cavs this year with Hayward.  But his injury has significantly reduced whatever chancer we had.  I guess you didnít need to watch the season play out since you already knew the outcome but I was looking forward to watching the team in the finals.  At least thatís the attitude I was taking and something much more enjoyable than watching the kids grow.

So you basically put them on the fast express to the finals when they got Hayward and Irving? I did not anticipate a finals appearance. They got crushed by CLE in the ECF. Those fans that put them on par with CLE are, in my estimation, delusional.

I'm assuming that CLE improves between now and the playoffs. If this really is Lebron's last ride in CLE, they're going to make it a special trip.

The Celtics are not a clear #2 in the East after the Gordo injury, but they are still in the mix.

The Celtics can still beat Lebron's Cavs in the ECF, but they're not favored. They also weren't favored before the Hayward injury. We have to assume that there would be growing pains (even if not literally) with a nearly complete turnover.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: droopdog7 on October 27, 2017, 11:42:19 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
We may well have lost to the Cavs this year with Hayward.  But his injury has significantly reduced whatever chancer we had.  I guess you didnít need to watch the season play out since you already knew the outcome but I was looking forward to watching the team in the finals.  At least thatís the attitude I was taking and something much more enjoyable than watching the kids grow.

So you basically put them on the fast express to the finals when they got Hayward and Irving? I did not anticipate a finals appearance. They got crushed by CLE in the ECF. Those fans that put them on par with CLE are, in my estimation, delusional.

I'm assuming that CLE improves between now and the playoffs. If this really is Lebron's last ride in CLE, they're going to make it a special trip.

The Celtics are not a clear #2 in the East after the Gordo injury, but they are still in the mix.

The Celtics can still beat Lebron's Cavs in the ECF, but they're not favored. They also weren't favored before the Hayward injury. We have to assume that there would be growing pains (even if not literally) with a nearly complete turnover.
I gave them a chance, sure.  Did I think they were the favorite?  Not really but they had a chance.  Now, not so much.  So if the hayward injury doesn't move the needle for you, then you're probably in the minority.  The reality is it put a large dent in whatever chances we had.  You choose to believe the chances were virtually zero.  I don't agree.

And once we get close, I'm not a fan of throwing away chances.  Sure, we might get there in the future but what's wrong with the future being now?
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Snakehead on October 27, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?



You're underestimating how much Hayward's shooting, creation, and passing would dramatically improve this offense.  This team has won some games but hasn't been good on offense.  In addition to another long defender.

In the Playoffs especially, this Celtics team without his shooting and playmaking will struggle.  Teams can key in more on one or two guys.  That's where he is special.  The guy who gets the ball on the weak side after the defense keys in on the Horford/Iriving pick and roll and he can shoot or attack a rotating defense.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 27, 2017, 07:53:55 PM
I was reading through many of these posts. Understandably, many are emotional.

After a day of thinking, do many of the posters that abide by the theory that this season is over still believe this?

If so, why? What has changed since Gordon Hayward is no longer available?

I'm an optimist and wear green goggles, but even I thought that this team would have their hands full with CLE and would lose to GSW in the finals.

After a day of reflection, I don't think the Celtics destiny this year will be all that different.

Yes, I'm bummed that I won't be able to watch Gordo play this year, but I'm also intrigued that I'll be able to see more Tatum and Brown.

Anyone think that either the Celtics would have beat the Warriors w/ Hayward, or now they won't even make the playoffs without him?

Elite 3pt shooting. 

Losing him means defenses colapsing on all Kyrie's action.  It's gonna be rough

My point is not to beat up on Hayward here.

However, he shot .398 from 3 last year, which is the exact same % as Jae Crowder. Do you consider Jae to be an elite 3 point shooter?

I think Hayward is a good overall bball player. He will be missed.

I just don't think that he pushed the Celtics over the goal line into a new category of winning. In his absence, I don't think that the Celtics will be dramatically different.
Then you must have not watched GH last year. He does everything this team gonna miss him so much. Kyrie gonna be trapped/doubled everytime now. Offense is going to be ugly and the defense we all knew was going to be a work in progress.

The Celtics beat a pretty good team tonight. Both the offense and defense have looked solid at times. I think there's plenty to play for this year. Might there be consensus that this season is, in fact, not over?
Of course we're going to look good and win some games.  But to think we're not going to miss an all star that is capable of taking over games is foolish.  The guy cna get 20 points in his sleep.  Guys Jaylen and Tatum have a lot of potential but they're going to be up and down and aren't quite ready to be go to guys and consistently take pressure off Kyrie.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Celtics won't miss Hayward. That is not the point.

My point is that I don't think the Celtics destiny will be impacted that much this year. Though the Cavs look like a mess, I believe they will put together a roster that is better by the playoffs. I think that they were a tough team to beat, even with Gordo.

I'm not yet buying into other teams in the East being significantly better than the Celtics. Milwaukee and Washington are very beatable, and I think Trouble 07 matches up well with Toronto. Besides Cle, Milwaukee, Tor, and Wash, who else could/would beat the Celtics in the playoffs?



You're underestimating how much Hayward's shooting, creation, and passing would dramatically improve this offense.  This team has won some games but hasn't been good on offense.  In addition to another long defender.

In the Playoffs especially, this Celtics team without his shooting and playmaking will struggle.  Teams can key in more on one or two guys.  That's where he is special.  The guy who gets the ball on the weak side after the defense keys in on the Horford/Iriving pick and roll and he can shoot or attack a rotating defense.

I agree. Losing Hayward stinks. When looking for a silver lining, the Brown/Tatum minutes will have an impact on future winning. If they get valuable playoff experience this year, they will be much better prepared to head into the 18/19 season. That being said, this season is not over.
Title: Re: Season over- Hayward breaks leg in 1st quarter (ankle fracture dislocation?)
Post by: Big333223 on November 07, 2017, 08:23:23 AM
Found some video of someone telling the Celtics their season is over.

https://youtu.be/hGC6C4vuOao?t=2s