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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on October 16, 2017, 09:12:04 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
I agree
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Yeah but the players union wants to lower the age limit to 18. The CBA isn't decided by only the owners. Its an agreement by the NBA Owners and NBA Players Union. Increasing the age limit doesn't help the whole corrupt college situation. Lowering it to 18 does though
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Hopefully this means the end of the one and done rule, that rule is a farce.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Yeah but the players union wants to lower the age limit to 18. The CBA isn't decided by only the owners. Its an agreement by the NBA Owners and NBA Players Union. Increasing the age limit doesn't help the whole corrupt college situation. Lowering it to 18 does though
What concession is the NBAPA going to make to get the owners to agree? And, since the membership is made up of current players - rather than high schoolers - why would they give up something of value to help out non-members?
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With the two way player contracts I see no reason to still have a one and done rule. That rule is not needed anymore. Make guys who are under 19 only able to sign two way deals and it solves the issue for owners and college cheating. Train them up in g league.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Yeah but the players union wants to lower the age limit to 18. The CBA isn't decided by only the owners. Its an agreement by the NBA Owners and NBA Players Union. Increasing the age limit doesn't help the whole corrupt college situation. Lowering it to 18 does though
The NBA owners don't care about the corrupt college system. They benefit from it. One and dones take years to develop. The owners want it to happen on someone else's time.
So yes, the Player's Union might want to do away with the rule but in the next CBA the owners will probably hold this over the players head to make them agree to get something else that will benefit vet players,
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They should do what a hybrid of baseball with the option of going oversees. A player can either enter the draft after a year of playing oversees or do at least three years in college. The game will have much more mature and developed players entering the NBA with a better polished game that translates relatively quickly to the NBA arena.
If the kid does not want to go to college for three years, the oversees option may be an alternative. Not sure how the logistics of all that works but I do think the one and done system is fading out.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Have to agree, I remember an NBA analyst talking to Zach Lowe some time ago and he was saying that the owners have wanted the age limit increased since the one and done rule was in place because they kept stuffing up their picks on young unproven talent, they essentially want guaranteed top level talent in the lottery range without any real risk.
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Eliminate the age thing altogether. 15 year old good enough? Throw him out there. or get an even more legit minor league going.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Have to agree, I remember an NBA analyst talking to Zach Lowe some time ago and he was saying that the owners have wanted the age limit increased since the one and done rule was in place because they kept stuffing up their picks on young unproven talent, they essentially want guaranteed top level talent in the lottery range without any real risk.
hard to see the players union allowing the age limit to increase. That's another 1-3 years eliminated from a career in salary for no reason.
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Once every NBA team has its own affiliate (almost there), they could easily expand the G-League to be more competitive with the best young prospects and give another slight increase in pay. They could also make it so that the players don't begin their rookie contracts until they've amassed enough time in the big leagues.
I am not sure why teams wouldn't want to develop their own players rather than having them develop overseas. It would also benefit teams to have the best players skip college altogether and begin development right away in their own system.
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They should do what a hybrid of baseball with the option of going oversees. A player can either enter the draft after a year of playing oversees or do at least three years in college. The game will have much more mature and developed players entering the NBA with a better polished game that translates relatively quickly to the NBA arena.
If the kid does not want to go to college for three years, the oversees option may be an alternative. Not sure how the logistics of all that works but I do think the one and done system is fading out.
I think they do baseball but no need for overseas. You either go straight to the pros or you stay in college For at least three years. Guys shouldn't feel forced to play in college when they have no intention of ever being a student.
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This thread is filled with people who didn't listen to the interview?
The one and done is going away. The age limit is not being increased. And no, the NBA Union will not have to fight for it, as pointed out they have no real reason to. The NBA and the Owners will be pushing for this rule to go away.
You guys think scouting highschool prospects is a cost Billionaire owners are worried about? Nah, maybe 15 years ago. There is a massive built in network of highschool scouts ranking these prospects on a national level that actually works pretty well, the internet and networking has come a long way in 15 years.
Want to know what worries the NBA and Owners even more then paying a couple scouts?
It's these colleges, getting their hands on top level talent, implanting their people around them, before the NBA and these teams get them.
The NBA wants their hands on these Blue Chippers before the NCAA can dig their talons into them.
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This thread is filled with people who didn't listen to the interview?
The one and done is going away. The age limit is not being increased. And no, the NBA Union will not have to fight for it, as pointed out they have no real reason to. The NBA and the Owners will be pushing for this rule to go away.
You guys think scouting highschool prospects is a cost Billionaire owners are worried about? Nah, maybe 15 years ago. There is a massive built in network of highschool scouts ranking these prospects on a national level that actually works pretty well, the internet and networking has come a long way in 15 years.
Want to know what worries the NBA and Owners even more then paying a couple scouts?
It's these colleges, getting their hands on top level talent, implanting their people around them, before the NBA and these teams get them.
The NBA wants their hands on these Blue Chippers before the NCAA can dig their talons into them.
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Well said. The NCAA is competition to the nba.
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This is all Markelle Fultz fault. I think the Sixers were complaining! :laugh:
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Have to agree, I remember an NBA analyst talking to Zach Lowe some time ago and he was saying that the owners have wanted the age limit increased since the one and done rule was in place because they kept stuffing up their picks on young unproven talent, they essentially want guaranteed top level talent in the lottery range without any real risk.
Did team draft better before one and done? Before HSers were going direct to the NBA? I don't think so.
The problem for teams is not evaluating players. That will be difficult regardless. Teams even make major mistakes on free agents who have been in the league for years. The problem for teams is that they only have control of the players during development years and young players can all bail by the time they are really worth their contract.
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Eliminating all age restrictions would actually solve the tanking issue. It will be hard to justify to a fanbase, tanking for a 12 year kid who still needs to go to high school. I envision a professional system that eliminates the AAU, High school and college foolishness and allows these young developing players an opportunity to make money.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Except Silver has consistently said they are going to do away with it entirely (I actually think they will go with the baseball system, you can come out after high school but if you go to college you will be required to stay 2 seasons). He doesn't see the point in the rule for the top level players and thinks the players would get better development in the GLeague or NBA then they are getting in college.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Except Silver has consistently said they are going to do away with it entirely (I actually think they will go with the baseball system, you can come out after high school but if you go to college you will be required to stay 2 seasons). He doesn't see the point in the rule for the top level players and thinks the players would get better development in the GLeague or NBA then they are getting in college.
If players straight out of high school were required to spend at least their first season in the G-League, that would work. would likely see the bulk of the one-and-done kids skip college for that first paycheck.
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If they do away, the year in which it takes effect will deepen the draft. Let’s hope it takes effect in 2019 and improves value of our sac-Sixers pick. I don’t think Laker 2018 lands 2-5.
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I think the real reason is that the one and done is not making players coming out as bigger names. Look at the comments of the last two number 1 picks not playing in the NCAA tournament.
The issue is still having to give 1st round money to guys who come out of hs.
Why not use the multiple rounds? Round 1 is for players with 2 to 3 years of high level basketball (college or international). The 2nd round allows teams to draft high school players where they are guaranteed a 4 year G League contract (but can be moved up to the big league after 1 year where they get a contract equivalent to what they could have made if they came out in the first round. And the years of service those players put into the G League count towards their NBA years when contracts come up.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Except Silver has consistently said they are going to do away with it entirely (I actually think they will go with the baseball system, you can come out after high school but if you go to college you will be required to stay 2 seasons). He doesn't see the point in the rule for the top level players and thinks the players would get better development in the GLeague or NBA then they are getting in college.
If players straight out of high school were required to spend at least their first season in the G-League, that would work. would likely see the bulk of the one-and-done kids skip college for that first paycheck.
That isn't what Silver has been saying and why should he? Did Lebron James need to spend a year in the GLeague? Silver has consistently taken the position that if the player is ready he should be given the opportunity to play and grow at the highest level. It is up to the teams to determine who is ready, when, and where a player should be drafted.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Except Silver has consistently said they are going to do away with it entirely (I actually think they will go with the baseball system, you can come out after high school but if you go to college you will be required to stay 2 seasons). He doesn't see the point in the rule for the top level players and thinks the players would get better development in the GLeague or NBA then they are getting in college.
If players straight out of high school were required to spend at least their first season in the G-League, that would work. would likely see the bulk of the one-and-done kids skip college for that first paycheck.
That isn't what Silver has been saying and why should he? Did Lebron James need to spend a year in the GLeague? Silver has consistently taken the position that if the player is ready he should be given the opportunity to play and grow at the highest level. It is up to the teams to determine who is ready, when, and where a player should be drafted.
Lebron is the exception, not the rule. the odds you'd be holding back a high-schooler from being a top player in his rookie season is extremely remote.
better option is have highschoolers participate in a G-league draft where they play for a year (or more depending on the length of the contract they sign) and then become eligible for the NBA draft. They owe no allegiance to their G-league team. if they go undrafted by the NBA, they're free to sign with whatever team/league they can find.
I would the player's association would be in favor of this to an extent because it buys an extra year or more for players already in the league to draw an NBA paycheck.
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It was a dumb rule to begin with.
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I like a "0 or 2" rule, but only if we have a proper minor league system.
That means 30 G-league affiliates, more rounds in the draft, expansion of two-way contracts, etc.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Except Silver has consistently said they are going to do away with it entirely (I actually think they will go with the baseball system, you can come out after high school but if you go to college you will be required to stay 2 seasons). He doesn't see the point in the rule for the top level players and thinks the players would get better development in the GLeague or NBA then they are getting in college.
If players straight out of high school were required to spend at least their first season in the G-League, that would work. would likely see the bulk of the one-and-done kids skip college for that first paycheck.
That isn't what Silver has been saying and why should he? Did Lebron James need to spend a year in the GLeague? Silver has consistently taken the position that if the player is ready he should be given the opportunity to play and grow at the highest level. It is up to the teams to determine who is ready, when, and where a player should be drafted.
Lebron is the exception, not the rule. the odds you'd be holding back a high-schooler from being a top player in his rookie season is extremely remote.
better option is have highschoolers participate in a G-league draft where they play for a year (or more depending on the length of the contract they sign) and then become eligible for the NBA draft. They owe no allegiance to their G-league team. if they go undrafted by the NBA, they're free to sign with whatever team/league they can find.
I would the player's association would be in favor of this to an extent because it buys an extra year or more for players already in the league to draw an NBA paycheck.
Lebron isn't that much of an exception. Plenty of straight from high school players had solid rookie seasons and the success rate of the high school players in the league in general was greater than even the 1 and done (or at least around the same). This notion that high school kids were failures and they needed to be protected was just silly nonsense.
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I have said this before but this is my take on what the age rule should be,
After graduating high school or turning 18 players are eligible for NBA draft.
A 1st round picks "rookie deal" doesn't start until the season he turns 20. The years prior to age 20 a player should be paid his 1st year salary.
2nd round picks under the age of 20 would be signed to signed to 2-way contracts until the season they turn 20 with each team being given 3 two way slots instead of the current 2. Before the players age 20 season the team will have an option to place the player on the same contract as that drafts 30th pick or waive the option and negotiate another contract.
These rules would allow the players who are ready to get right in the NBA while protecting the young players who need to develop from being spit out of the league. This also gives the team more control over their investment. Knowing that a young player can be drafted in the early 2nd round then controlled contractually for multiple years will give a great incentive for team to really use the G-league.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21440530/adam-silver-nbpa-chief-discuss-one-done-draft-rule-commission-college-basketball
Looks like the 0 and 2 rule is going to happen
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Except Silver has consistently said they are going to do away with it entirely (I actually think they will go with the baseball system, you can come out after high school but if you go to college you will be required to stay 2 seasons). He doesn't see the point in the rule for the top level players and thinks the players would get better development in the GLeague or NBA then they are getting in college.
If players straight out of high school were required to spend at least their first season in the G-League, that would work. would likely see the bulk of the one-and-done kids skip college for that first paycheck.
That isn't what Silver has been saying and why should he? Did Lebron James need to spend a year in the GLeague? Silver has consistently taken the position that if the player is ready he should be given the opportunity to play and grow at the highest level. It is up to the teams to determine who is ready, when, and where a player should be drafted.
Lebron is the exception, not the rule. the odds you'd be holding back a high-schooler from being a top player in his rookie season is extremely remote.
better option is have highschoolers participate in a G-league draft where they play for a year (or more depending on the length of the contract they sign) and then become eligible for the NBA draft. They owe no allegiance to their G-league team. if they go undrafted by the NBA, they're free to sign with whatever team/league they can find.
I would the player's association would be in favor of this to an extent because it buys an extra year or more for players already in the league to draw an NBA paycheck.
Lebron isn't that much of an exception. Plenty of straight from high school players had solid rookie seasons and the success rate of the high school players in the league in general was greater than even the 1 and done (or at least around the same). This notion that high school kids were failures and they needed to be protected was just silly nonsense.
Lebron had more than a solid rookie season, he averaged 20-5-5 with 1.6 steals.
If Lebron isn’t that much of an exception, what other rookie out of HS put up 20 a game? Or 15-5-5?
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html
Not clear if it'll be lowered or increased. Yahoo speculates the days of prospects like Kobe and Lebron entering the NBA straight from high school may return
Gotta think its the opposite. Owners don't want to be paying teenagers millions to develop their talents. They would rather have them develop their skills for free in college. I think they bump up the age limit by at least one year.
Except Silver has consistently said they are going to do away with it entirely (I actually think they will go with the baseball system, you can come out after high school but if you go to college you will be required to stay 2 seasons). He doesn't see the point in the rule for the top level players and thinks the players would get better development in the GLeague or NBA then they are getting in college.
If players straight out of high school were required to spend at least their first season in the G-League, that would work. would likely see the bulk of the one-and-done kids skip college for that first paycheck.
That isn't what Silver has been saying and why should he? Did Lebron James need to spend a year in the GLeague? Silver has consistently taken the position that if the player is ready he should be given the opportunity to play and grow at the highest level. It is up to the teams to determine who is ready, when, and where a player should be drafted.
Lebron is the exception, not the rule. the odds you'd be holding back a high-schooler from being a top player in his rookie season is extremely remote.
better option is have highschoolers participate in a G-league draft where they play for a year (or more depending on the length of the contract they sign) and then become eligible for the NBA draft. They owe no allegiance to their G-league team. if they go undrafted by the NBA, they're free to sign with whatever team/league they can find.
I would the player's association would be in favor of this to an extent because it buys an extra year or more for players already in the league to draw an NBA paycheck.
Lebron isn't that much of an exception. Plenty of straight from high school players had solid rookie seasons and the success rate of the high school players in the league in general was greater than even the 1 and done (or at least around the same). This notion that high school kids were failures and they needed to be protected was just silly nonsense.
Lebron had more than a solid rookie season, he averaged 20-5-5 with 1.6 steals.
If Lebron isn’t that much of an exception, what other rookie out of HS put up 20 a game? Or 15-5-5?
kevin garnett. Kobe. Dwight.
That stat line is a random goal post. The point is high schoolers should be able to enter be nba. period. It will most likely happen soon too
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Good for Adam, he’s been a great commish thus far.
It’s about time someone stood up to the NCAA crime ring.
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It's good to let players come out of high school but the alternative shouldn't be forced to stay in school 2 years.
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It's good to let players come out of high school but the alternative shouldn't be forced to stay in school 2 years.
why?
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It's good to let players come out of high school but the alternative shouldn't be forced to stay in school 2 years.
why?
That's just worse news for colleges. Committing to two years of college is a lot to ask of young kids; I can't imagine any somewhat highly rated prospect is going to give up two possible years of getting paid in order to go to college...unless it's actually to go and learn.
If this keeps going the way it seems (expanded G-League 'minor league' system), college basketball is going to go the way of college baseball. No reason to even have the argument over whether or not college [basketball] athletes should be paid. That answer will be a resounding 'NO' when revenues plummet due to total lack of talent.
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It's good to let players come out of high school but the alternative shouldn't be forced to stay in school 2 years.
why?
That's just worse news for colleges. Committing to two years of college is a lot to ask of young kids; I can't imagine any somewhat highly rated prospect is going to give up two possible years of getting paid in order to go to college...unless it's actually to go and learn.
If this keeps going the way it seems (expanded G-League 'minor league' system), college basketball is going to go the way of college baseball. No reason to even have the argument over whether or not college [basketball] athletes should be paid. That answer will be a resounding 'NO' when revenues plummet due to total lack of talent.
IMO, this is a good thing. College basketball might become more of the amateur sport it should be, instead of a billion dollar business that doesn't fairly compensate it's best players.
Top prospects will still get drafted early, but lower prospects can come out of HS, play in the G-League for a few years at a lower risk to the team, and legitimately make some money, instead of having to resort to being paid 'under the table'.
It's possible that when the G-League has 30 clubs, each associated with a NBA team, you could see the draft expand to three rounds. For now, it might mean players who come out of HS and are not drafted, instead sign on as unaffiliated G-League players. That's still probably better for their development.
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It's good to let players come out of high school but the alternative shouldn't be forced to stay in school 2 years.
why?
Because it's unfair for the players.
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It's good to let players come out of high school but the alternative shouldn't be forced to stay in school 2 years.
why?
Because it's unfair for the players.
not really. Very similar rule to baseball except baseball is 3 years. If you don't want to go to college for 2 years then don't go. No one is making them.