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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Tr1boy on October 10, 2017, 10:23:52 AM
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There is a small chance that Semi ends up becoming a better player down the road
Would you be surprised?
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There is a small chance that Semi ends up becoming a better player down the road
Would you be surprised?
Um, yes, I would be incredibly surprised. I would say the chance is significantly less than 1%.
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There is a small chance that Semi ends up becoming a better player down the road
Would you be surprised?
Yes, very.
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Semi's 3-point shot is wet (especially at the top of the key), but offensively Tatum is just so much more versatile. Semi went 4-7 from 3 last night, but some of his in close misses were ugly.
I'll peg Semi into that 3&D category, which is pretty good considering where he was drafted.
Tatum's versatility, along with the ability to make his own shot, should put him a cut above Semi in the long run. Keep in mind that Semi will be turning 23 in December, while Tatum won't turn 20 until March of next year.
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There is a small chance that Semi ends up becoming a better player down the road
Would you be surprised?
I would not be surprised if Ojeleye becomes a star - I would also be surprised if Tatum does not become a star.
The whole game of "who's the better player" is hard enough after the careers are long finished.
What if Tatum rockets up the totem pole and plays in the All-Star game in year 3? - and then messes up those (slightly fragile-looking) legs, ending his career? History is not too kind to those guys.
Love both of these guys, they can play together, both of them can guard up and guard down, both of them can shoot with range. They both have an outstanding feel for the game. Here's a clue: Ojeleye had the highest efficiency as the pop man in pick and pop in the NCAA. He's got quick twitch, great reflexes - like Jaylen Brown.
I've seen some odd criticisms of Semi recently - that he lacks a motor (!)... that he's a stiff (!!)... No need to comment, I guess.
Great for him that he showed his outside shooting in Game 3 (and what a beautiful stroke!) - he'll probably have to spend plenty of time on the bench (winter's coming). If you're a sportswriter, you point out that that's his story: Completely unrecognized at Duke, he took his work ethic in hand, and dedicated himself. We see him deferential in both SL and pre-season, but it's worth noting that he was the man at SMU - could it be that he has star power, that he has the mentality that gets you there? (I'm beginning to think so.)
Tatum, on the other hand, definitely wants the last shot. No question about his star power.
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I'd be wildly surprised if Semi were better long-term. I'd be completely unsurprised if Semi were better this season.
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It'd call into question the validity of current statistical/regression models. So not likely, but maybe good for science.
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There is a small chance that Semi ends up becoming a better player down the road
Would you be surprised?
Absolutely not but Semi showed well yesterday. His D is absolutely legit. He moves his feet so well for a big guy. He can guard a lot of different positions which will earn him time throughout the year. His shot looks smooth and over the next 2 years it will only get better. I still fee he has a higher potential ceiling talent wise then Crowder minus the leadership. That is something he will hopefully learn and become. Crowder is a natural leader and has more heart/drive then most. Talent wise I think Semi will be every bit as good a defender and a better shooter then Crowder eventually.
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Some good pts.
Currently two things Semi does better than Tatum. Defense and 3 pt shooting. I would say passing/quick decisions as well. At this rate , could end up becoming a better Jae Crowder. A better vertical leaping version.
Tatum has high level potential. But at times his defense reminds me of James Young more than I'd like. A little lost and does not have the explosiveness to bail him out. Also 3 pt shooting is shaky at the moment. Im hopefully he can iron out these deficiencies....
No doubt he commands more attention due to his skill level. But if little to no improvements are made, who does CBS resort to in a close game? (Hypothetically)
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Tatum has to work on his d and he needs to get more comfortable out there. Semi looks like a good 12 man right now and should see light minutes here. Tatum may need a month of G-league
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wouldn't surprise me. haven't really seen anything from Tatum to justify the love here. looks like a good pro. not sure he'll be a franchise guy. semi could also be a good pro.
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i don't think so yet, I think Semi is fine the way he is right now, a 3rd unit player, whereas Tatum feels like to me he's already first off the bench for Hayward or something. Tatum looks more smooth and looks ready whereas Semi to me seems like a high motor player (which i love) and still really stiff on certain plays.
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Reminder: Semi is three years older than JT. Has had more time to grow into his body, learn defensive schemes.
Do you think Semi today is better than 3-years-from-now Jayson Tatum?
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Would be astounded if Ojeleye turns out better than Tatum. Tatum has Pierce ceiling. Ojeleye has Crowder ceiling.
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.o5% chance -
One guys looks 23 and Physically topped out.. The other looks 19 with tons of room to grow..
Tatum has way more tools in his Tool box.. He's still a kid.
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Semi's 3-point shot is wet (especially at the top of the key), but offensively Tatum is just so much more versatile. Semi went 4-7 from 3 last night, but some of his in close misses were ugly.
I'll peg Semi into that 3&D category, which is pretty good considering where he was drafted.
Tatum's versatility, along with the ability to make his own shot, should put him a cut above Semi in the long run. Keep in mind that Semi will be turning 23 in December, while Tatum won't turn 20 until March of next year.
"Wet" as in bad, or bad as in good.
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I thought this topic was going to be about that play where they collided both trying to catch that lob pass for the alley-oop last night. :laugh:
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Semi's 3-point shot is wet (especially at the top of the key), but offensively Tatum is just so much more versatile. Semi went 4-7 from 3 last night, but some of his in close misses were ugly.
I'll peg Semi into that 3&D category, which is pretty good considering where he was drafted.
Tatum's versatility, along with the ability to make his own shot, should put him a cut above Semi in the long run. Keep in mind that Semi will be turning 23 in December, while Tatum won't turn 20 until March of next year.
"Wet" as in bad, or bad as in good.
Lol wet as in good/pure etc. We used to say "Water" growing up if a shot was nothing but net, so as we got older we just said "wet".
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If Semi is better than Tatum, it means Tatum has massively underachieved.
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If Semi is better than Tatum, it means Tatum has massively underachieved.
People on this board dramatically overrate Semi. I expect him to get very little playing time this year, certainly much less than Tatum. He hasn't looked at all NBA ready me, he can hit the open 3, but you won't be as open as he was against Philly very often. I also don't think his defense is nearly as good as some here claim. I expect that he will get garbage time only and maybe see lots of time in Maine.
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Some good pts.
Currently two things Semi does better than Tatum. Defense and 3 pt shooting. I would say passing/quick decisions as well. At this rate , could end up becoming a better Jae Crowder. A better vertical leaping version.
Tatum has high level potential. But at times his defense reminds me of James Young more than I'd like. A little lost and does not have the explosiveness to bail him out. Also 3 pt shooting is shaky at the moment. Im hopefully he can iron out these deficiencies....
No doubt he commands more attention due to his skill level. But if little to no improvements are made, who does CBS resort to in a close game? (Hypothetically)
Not that Brad Stevens knows what he is talking about, but he did have this to say about Tatum's defense:
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/10/10/morning-sports-update-jayson-tatums-defense-is-beyond-his-years-according-to-brad-stevens (https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/10/10/morning-sports-update-jayson-tatums-defense-is-beyond-his-years-according-to-brad-stevens)
“I don’t know if surprised is the right word, but Jayson Tatum’s defense is beyond his years,” Stevens said, via Mass Live’s Jay King. “He’s very savvy and very long. He uses his length. His arms are out and he gets his hands on balls and deflects passes and discourages drives just because of his length. I think he’ll continue to get better and better with the other stuff systemically, but he’s done a good job for a young guy so far.”
Semi may have the edge right now (on D, only) due to his experience, but I don't think there is really any question here.
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If Semi is better than Tatum, it means Tatum has massively underachieved.
People on this board dramatically overrate Semi. I expect him to get very little playing time this year, certainly much less than Tatum. He hasn't looked at all NBA ready me, he can hit the open 3, but you won't be as open as he was against Philly very often. I also don't think his defense is nearly as good as some here claim. I expect that he will get garbage time only and maybe see lots of time in Maine.
Disagree
Yes he will be open...bc who is going to focus on him when you have Irving, Hayward etc on the floor
In turn if teams cant leave Semi alone, it provides more space for everyone else
His 3 pt shooting (from furthest pt of the court) is legit
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I really don't think there's much chance of that.
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If Semi is better than Tatum, it means Tatum has massively underachieved.
People on this board dramatically overrate Semi. I expect him to get very little playing time this year, certainly much less than Tatum. He hasn't looked at all NBA ready me, he can hit the open 3, but you won't be as open as he was against Philly very often. I also don't think his defense is nearly as good as some here claim. I expect that he will get garbage time only and maybe see lots of time in Maine.
Disagree
Yes he will be open...bc who is going to focus on him when you have Irving, Hayward etc on the floor
In turn if teams cant leave Semi alone, it provides more space for everyone else
His 3 pt shooting (from furthest pt of the court) is legit
Wow! Semi is now hitting full court shots? What a find by Ainge!
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Semi's 3-point shot is wet (especially at the top of the key), but offensively Tatum is just so much more versatile. Semi went 4-7 from 3 last night, but some of his in close misses were ugly.
I'll peg Semi into that 3&D category, which is pretty good considering where he was drafted.
Tatum's versatility, along with the ability to make his own shot, should put him a cut above Semi in the long run. Keep in mind that Semi will be turning 23 in December, while Tatum won't turn 20 until March of next year.
"Wet" as in bad, or bad as in good.
Lol wet as in good/pure etc. We used to say "Water" growing up if a shot was nothing but net, so as we got older we just said "wet".
And here I was thinking that it was some kind of euphemism.
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I would be well beyond shocked :)
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I'd be more than shocked
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Yes, it would be surprising if the 37th pick turned out better than the 3rd pick. We can trot out examples of 2nd rounders who became all stars and top picks that were busts but there's no debating that that doesn't typically happen.
I haven't seen anything from Semi that makes me think he'll be better than Jayson. Put whatever stock you like in preseason stats but the numbers don't back that up either.
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If Semi is better than Tatum, it means Tatum has massively underachieved.
People on this board dramatically overrate Semi. I expect him to get very little playing time this year, certainly much less than Tatum. He hasn't looked at all NBA ready me, he can hit the open 3, but you won't be as open as he was against Philly very often. I also don't think his defense is nearly as good as some here claim. I expect that he will get garbage time only and maybe see lots of time in Maine.
Disagree
Yes he will be open...bc who is going to focus on him when you have Irving, Hayward etc on the floor
In turn if teams cant leave Semi alone, it provides more space for everyone else
His 3 pt shooting (from furthest pt of the court) is legit
Semi should consider himself fortunate if he sees the court in half the team's games and if more than 5 of those appearances aren't in garbage time or due to injuries to better players.
After 4 preseason games Tatum already looks much better than Semi and figures to continue to widen the gap between them talent-wise.
Is Semi your new Mickey Triboy?
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If Semi is better than Tatum, it means Tatum has massively underachieved.
People on this board dramatically overrate Semi. I expect him to get very little playing time this year, certainly much less than Tatum. He hasn't looked at all NBA ready me, he can hit the open 3, but you won't be as open as he was against Philly very often. I also don't think his defense is nearly as good as some here claim. I expect that he will get garbage time only and maybe see lots of time in Maine.
Disagree
Yes he will be open...bc who is going to focus on him when you have Irving, Hayward etc on the floor
In turn if teams cant leave Semi alone, it provides more space for everyone else
His 3 pt shooting (from furthest pt of the court) is legit
Semi should consider himself fortunate if he sees the court in half the team's games and if more than 5 of those appearances aren't in garbage time or due to injuries to better players.
After 4 preseason games Tatum already looks much better than Semi and figures to continue to widen the gap between them talent-wise.
Is Semi your new Mickey Triboy?
That's a good question. Triboy, who's better Mickey or Semi?