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Title: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: matteo on October 07, 2017, 10:43:55 PM
Denver Nuggets guard Gary Harris has reached agreement on a four-year, $84 million contract extension (updated to 74 mill guaranteed with incentives) , league sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: liam on October 07, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
Denver Nuggets guard Gary Harris has reached agreement on a four-year, $84 million contract extension, league sources told ESPN.

Wow! That's crazy money...
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: CelticsElite on October 07, 2017, 10:53:46 PM
We could have drafted him but we took james young
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: nebist on October 07, 2017, 10:55:50 PM
Well that doesn't help the Smart market. I wouldn't sign for any less than 60 if I were him now.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: liam on October 07, 2017, 10:55:50 PM
Well, that's why Marcus Smart hasn't signed a contract yet.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Phantom255x on October 07, 2017, 11:06:41 PM
This probably makes a Smart contact somewhere in the 4 years, 65-70M range now.

I'd still do it, but if it approaches 4/75+, YIKES.  :o
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: CelticsElite on October 07, 2017, 11:10:37 PM
Hardaway Jr suddenly looks like a bargain. Hardaway Jr puts up the same numbers but his contract is $13 mill  less
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 07, 2017, 11:16:25 PM
Yuck.

This makes Marcus Smart worth $20ish, right?
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Eddie20 on October 07, 2017, 11:21:03 PM
Hardaway Jr suddenly looks like a bargain. Hardaway Jr puts up the same numbers but his contract is $13 mill  less

Really? Harris shot 50% from the field and 42% from 3's. Plus, he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. On yeah, and he just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: liam on October 07, 2017, 11:22:20 PM
Hardaway Jr suddenly looks like a bargain. Hardaway Jr puts up the same numbers but his contract is $13 mill  less

Contracts like these are why it's so hard to build a championship team. It's also why they had to take away the 7 year contracts. Too many teams don't manager payroll well(cough, cough, Blazers...)
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 07, 2017, 11:34:50 PM
Hardaway Jr suddenly looks like a bargain. Hardaway Jr puts up the same numbers but his contract is $13 mill  less

Really? Harris shot 50% from the field and 42% from 3's. Plus, he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. On yeah, and he just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago.

Denver needs an infusion of top-end talent. Harris is good, not great. If Denver signs him alone as a slightly overpaid player, then they will be ok. If they decide to do the same with Murray and/or Muddiay, I think they will run into issues. The Jokic/Millsap pairing is awesome, but I think they still need a top guard/wing scorer. I don't think Harris is that guy.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Eddie20 on October 07, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
Hardaway Jr suddenly looks like a bargain. Hardaway Jr puts up the same numbers but his contract is $13 mill  less

Really? Harris shot 50% from the field and 42% from 3's. Plus, he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. On yeah, and he just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago.

Denver needs an infusion of top-end talent. Harris is good, not great. If Denver signs him alone as a slightly overpaid player, then they will be ok. If they decide to do the same with Murray and/or Muddiay, I think they will run into issues. The Jokic/Millsap pairing is awesome, but I think they still need a top guard/wing scorer. I don't think Harris is that guy.

Mudiay is dangerously close to be labeled a bust, Millsap only has a 2 yr deal, and Murray is going into the second year of his rookie deal. Denver's fine.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: saltlover on October 07, 2017, 11:57:56 PM
I think this is the contract that pushes the Celtics to wait for free agency with Smart.  I donít think the Celtics will be willing to commit to more than $15 million to him next year at this point, given their potential tax situation.  That would put an extention in the $60-66 million range.

If Smart blows up this year and becomes a star, you enjoy the benefit to the team and figure out how to fit the money in next summer (itís doable if the Lakers pick doesnít convey).  If he continues to be the useful, non-star player heís been so far, at best you keep him for the $12-15 million range, and maybe you get a 5th year out of it thanks to Bird rights.  Otherwise you likely get him for one more year at his qualifying offer and avoid the luxury tax for one final season.  Since the Celtics can credibly match most non-max offers, Smart will probably find himself in the same situation as RFAís did this summer.

The downside is he takes enough of a step forward to command a speculative max offer next summer from another team, without having improved enough for the Celtics to significantly benefit this season.  Dallas is the team to watch for next summer, since theyíll have a lot of money to spend and the hometown connection with Smart.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Dino Pitino on October 08, 2017, 01:54:32 AM
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The downside is he takes enough of a step forward to command a speculative max offer next summer from another team, without having improved enough for the Celtics to significantly benefit this season. 

That seems to be an unlikely downside. If he commands a max offer, then no matter how speculative he will have become worth matching it.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: KG Living Legend on October 08, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

 Let's slow down a bit. Harris put up 15 ppg last year at 22 years old he also shot .420% from three on 4.5 apg. That's Avery Bradley type production but five years younger.

 Let's see if smart can really approach 15 ppg with respectable shooting numbers first. He's looking better no doubt, but still a career .358% From the field and .291% from three for his career.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: jambr380 on October 08, 2017, 07:56:26 AM
Yeah, we should basically be preparing for Smart's departure if he is expected to get anywhere near this. I basically agree with everything SL said and am afraid that Marcus is going to show improvement, but not enough to commit $20M+/yr to him. I am not saying he isn't a useful player; he does what he does better than anybody else, but if he isn't even going to be a starter, we can't devote the contract/tax dollars to him.

I am all for him making his jump next year after he signs his new Roberson-like contract or him exploding into a legit All-star max-level Guard - unfortunately, neither of those seem likely. It seems we just have to hope that no bottom-feeder teams offer him big money. Luckily, some of that money is drying up.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Androslav on October 08, 2017, 08:37:35 AM
We could have drafted him but we took james young
I bet you were preaching the name Garry Harris back then.
So many guys think that the draft should play out with teams picking the best players/careers in the exact 1-60 order. From the best to the worst. When in reality, that is bordering with the immposible.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: ChillyWilly on October 08, 2017, 08:47:31 AM
Funny people comparing Smart to Harris. Dude shots over 50% from the field and 42% from 3.

Marcus does that he's probably worth $20m. He won't so he's not.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Eddie20 on October 08, 2017, 08:50:52 AM

 Let's slow down a bit. Harris put up 15 ppg last year at 22 years old he also shot .420% from three on 4.5 apg. That's Avery Bradley type production but five years younger.

 Let's see if smart can really approach 15 ppg with respectable shooting numbers first. He's looking better no doubt, but still a career .358% From the field and .291% from three for his career.

Exactly. Harris has improved every single year and that improvement has looked to continue this yesr, as he's been running the offense. To me he's a better version of Bradley. He's a much better ball handler, is a better shooter, probably a pinch more athletic, 5 years younger, and has better height (6'4). Bradleys a better perimeter defender, but not by that much.

The problem here is that many haven't seen Harris play much, if at all.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Snakehead on October 08, 2017, 09:16:23 AM
Funny people comparing Smart to Harris. Dude shots over 50% from the field and 42% from 3.



Harris isn't even half the defender Smart is either.  I know people on CB rarely care about defense.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Snakehead on October 08, 2017, 09:18:26 AM
Smart will be extended, but for less than this.  Nuggets are overpaying because they are the Nuggets and Harris is the type of wing, like a Hardaway Jr, that is overhyped in that they are paid like they are pretty much a lock to make the All Star jump.

Smart's defense is All-NBA level and he can pass and handle, his shot is coming into its own.  I am happy to pay him.  I don't think it will be that much.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 08, 2017, 11:05:01 AM
I think he will / wants to remain a Celtic ....he is the OLD MAN ...most years with team left .....which kinda blows his own mind at 25 .   I believe he likes DA alot and wants to see the gig though to banner 18 .   therefore i think a deal will get done both sides can live with.   
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: jambr380 on October 08, 2017, 11:10:07 AM
We could have drafted him but we took james young
I bet you were preaching the name Garry Harris back then.
So many guys think that the draft should play out with teams picking the best players/careers in the exact 1-60 order. From the best to the worst. When in reality, that is bordering with the immposible.

Gary Harris and Rodney Hood were distinct possibilities - even probabilities - in that draft over James Young. Just because Bill Simmons pumped his fist doesn't mean that we all agreed with the selection. I, personally, was quite disappointed we didn't take Hood, and, while he would have been better than Young, I am not sure he puts us over the hump to championship contender.

But, generally, I agree - Monday morning QBing is always annoying. I just think in this case it is absolutely warranted - similar to when we took Giddens over Jordan in '08.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: footey on October 08, 2017, 11:38:33 AM
We could have drafted him but we took james young
I bet you were preaching the name Garry Harris back then.
So many guys think that the draft should play out with teams picking the best players/careers in the exact 1-60 order. From the best to the worst. When in reality, that is bordering with the immposible.

I donít like hind sight misgivings either, but, for the record, I was very keen on taking Harris, particularly when he slipped. He was projected to be taken much higher. Loved watching him at Michigan State. Already a good 3 point shooter and played great defense.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: footey on October 08, 2017, 11:39:11 AM
Win some lose some.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: RJ87 on October 08, 2017, 11:41:09 AM
I think he will / wants to remain a Celtic ....he is the OLD MAN ...most years with team left .....which kinda blows his own mind at 25 .   I believe he likes DA alot and wants to see the gig though to banner 18 .   therefore i think a deal will get done both sides can live with.   

He also just watched this entire team get gutted, most of it via trade. Marcus might like it here but Danny  (as much as I loved his moves this offseason) has shown he won't hesitate to trade key guys. If I'm Marcus, I'm looking at this from a pure business standpoint. I'm not taking a hometown discount just to be traded in a year or two. He will - and absolutely should - go for the most he can at this point.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Phantom255x on October 08, 2017, 12:02:37 PM
Okay, Smart is NOT getting 4/80 or what Harris got.

But this deal likely puts his price now at around 4 Years/65-70M.

Before, I'd say it could be approximately 4/56M.

I'd do 4/65M or 4/70M, BUT any 4 year deal of more than 75M+? YIKES.

Frankly, if Smart averages between 13-15 PPG w/great defense and makes more winning plays again with that hustle (as we saw Friday night), he'll be worth the 4/70M.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: TheSundanceKid on October 08, 2017, 12:05:57 PM
The way these extensions are going it's looking more sensible to wait with Smart. A lot of teams look like they will have capped themselves out of the market by summer!
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Birdman on October 08, 2017, 12:06:29 PM
Geeeeeezzzzzz
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 08, 2017, 12:20:14 PM
Denver also just gave Plumlee a 3year 41M deal.  They now have 113M guaranteed for next season and they still have to give Jokic the Max.  They'll be joining Portland as a mediocre tax paying team. 
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: trickybilly on October 08, 2017, 12:46:50 PM
Win some lose some.

Yuh, TP, this should be the final word on any conversation "shoulda taken x guy".

Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: RodyTur10 on October 08, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
The way these extensions are going it's looking more sensible to wait with Smart. A lot of teams look like they will have capped themselves out of the market by summer!

Indeed. That's the way to look at it.

It's incredible how stupid these GM's are.

Denver looks like it's so scared to loose its players that it will automatically grant any salary wishes a player/agent demands. Plumlee signed for about 14 million a year was a clear overpay, but they did it anyway because they were afraid to look foolish if he signed elsewhere after trading for him with the Nurkic-deal.

Now Harris was to become a restricted free agent, so Denver had control over him, but they probably wanted to please him and get rid of the uncertainty of free agency and so they just gave him exactly what he wanted. This contract may turn out to be reasonable if Harris makes the next step, but obviously if they had waited till next year it would have been likely that they could have signed him for less.

It's a shame actually because Denver is a talented and fun team, but now all there progress has to come from developing their own players since they have no room for big trades or free agent signings. They might lose an important player because of salary considerations in the future.

We should be so grateful that Ainge does not work that way and always sees the big picture and puts the interest of the franchise at number one. He won't commit to Smart when his demands become unreasonable. So we can be assured that Smart won't be given an 80 million contract.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: matteo on October 08, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
Denver Nuggets guard Gary Harris has reached agreement on a four-year, $84 million contract extension, league sources told ESPN.

Harrisí $74 million guaranteed changes it to $18.5 million per year. My understanding is the incentives to get it to $84 are STEEP.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/917051135164157952

Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: crimson_stallion on October 08, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
We could have drafted him but we took james young

If it came down to paying this much we would probably have let him walk, so right now it's probably a moot point anyway.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: ChillyWilly on October 08, 2017, 07:19:09 PM
Hardaway Jr suddenly looks like a bargain. Hardaway Jr puts up the same numbers but his contract is $13 mill  less

Really? Harris shot 50% from the field and 42% from 3's. Plus, he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. On yeah, and he just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago.

TP.

He does 2 things very well that the NBA is trending towards. Efficiency and perimeter defense. Big contract but good gamble.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: saltlover on October 08, 2017, 08:42:46 PM

 Let's slow down a bit. Harris put up 15 ppg last year at 22 years old he also shot .420% from three on 4.5 apg. That's Avery Bradley type production but five years younger.

 Let's see if smart can really approach 15 ppg with respectable shooting numbers first. He's looking better no doubt, but still a career .358% From the field and .291% from three for his career.

Exactly. Harris has improved every single year and that improvement has looked to continue this yesr, as he's been running the offense. To me he's a better version of Bradley. He's a much better ball handler, is a better shooter, probably a pinch more athletic, 5 years younger, and has better height (6'4). Bradleys a better perimeter defender, but not by that much.

The problem here is that many haven't seen Harris play much, if at all.

Okay, letís not get carried away here.  Harris is not a good defender.  Heís arguably not even an okay defender.  He doesnít rebound defensively at all. (Heís got the same career DRB% as IT, and was less than half AB last year). His steals and blocks numbers are pedestrian.  His advanced ratings range from okay (defensive win shares) to awful (84th of 91 shooting guards in DRPM).  Players shot 43 percent from 3 against him and 55.6 percent from 2 (6.7 and 6.3 percent better than they shot overall for the year).  And, whereas Bradley doesnít always come out looking great by some numbers, heís consistently mentioned by his peers as someone they hate being guarded by, has been voted all-defense in the past and had the highest vote total for someone who wasnít voted in last year, and is almost always asked to guard a teamís best perimeter player when heís on the court.  Harris has no such reputation at this point in his career (Bradley already had it entering his 4th year), nor no such responsibility.

Harris had a good defensive reputation coming out of college.  It has not translated at all in the pros, aside from having measurables that indicate he should be a good defender. Heís a very good shooter.  Heís downright deadly from the corner 3 at 56%.  Heís improving as a passer.  His contract is probably reasonable given his age and the steps forward heís made offensively to this point in his career, and it wasnít too difficult to see someone offering him the same deal Otto Porter got.  But in no way is he a good defender, and heís probably not even an okay one.  Some here may underrate Harris, but you are overrating him.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Smitty77 on October 08, 2017, 09:03:54 PM

 Let's slow down a bit. Harris put up 15 ppg last year at 22 years old he also shot .420% from three on 4.5 apg. That's Avery Bradley type production but five years younger.

 Let's see if smart can really approach 15 ppg with respectable shooting numbers first. He's looking better no doubt, but still a career .358% From the field and .291% from three for his career.

Exactly. Harris has improved every single year and that improvement has looked to continue this yesr, as he's been running the offense. To me he's a better version of Bradley. He's a much better ball handler, is a better shooter, probably a pinch more athletic, 5 years younger, and has better height (6'4). Bradleys a better perimeter defender, but not by that much.

The problem here is that many haven't seen Harris play much, if at all.

Okay, letís not get carried away here.  Harris is not a good defender.  Heís arguably not even an okay defender.  He doesnít rebound defensively at all. (Heís got the same career DRB% as IT, and was less than half AB last year). His steals and blocks numbers are pedestrian.  His advanced ratings range from okay (defensive win shares) to awful (84th of 91 shooting guards in DRPM).  Players shot 43 percent from 3 against him and 55.6 percent from 2 (6.7 and 6.3 percent better than they shot overall for the year).  And, whereas Bradley doesnít always come out looking great by some numbers, heís consistently mentioned by his peers as someone they hate being guarded by, has been voted all-defense in the past and had the highest vote total for someone who wasnít voted in last year, and is almost always asked to guard a teamís best perimeter player when heís on the court.  Harris has no such reputation at this point in his career (Bradley already had it entering his 4th year), nor no such responsibility.

Harris had a good defensive reputation coming out of college.  It has not translated at all in the pros, aside from having measurables that indicate he should be a good defender. Heís a very good shooter.  Heís downright deadly from the corner 3 at 56%.  Heís improving as a passer.  His contract is probably reasonable given his age and the steps forward heís made offensively to this point in his career, and it wasnít too difficult to see someone offering him the same deal Otto Porter got.  But in no way is he a good defender, and heís probably not even an okay one.  Some here may underrate Harris, but you are overrating him.

I totally agree with you saltlover!!  He had the 84th ranked defensive RPM out of 92 SG's in the entire NBA last year!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

Smitty77
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on October 08, 2017, 09:34:58 PM


I totally agree with you saltlover!!  He had the 84th ranked defensive RPM out of 92 SG's in the entire NBA last year!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

Smitty77
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Look at the end of that list, so many of CB pinkies:

Wiggins
Booker
Hield
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Eddie20 on December 13, 2017, 09:18:27 PM
Anyone still think Denver made a mistake giving him that contract?
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: gouki88 on December 13, 2017, 09:23:55 PM
Anyone still think Denver made a mistake giving him that contract?
Anyone still think he's on the same level as Smart?
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: footey on December 13, 2017, 09:26:02 PM
Worth every penny.

Good thing we took James Young instead.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: csfansince60s on December 13, 2017, 10:12:22 PM
Anyone still think Denver made a mistake giving him that contract?

Another successful Izzo guy.

Best overall coach in college basketball. Recruiting, in game strategy, system, teacher, motivator.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: liam on December 13, 2017, 10:16:01 PM
Worth every penny.

Good thing we took James Young instead.

Look how much money we saved! :o
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: BlastFromThePast on December 13, 2017, 10:16:18 PM
Worth every penny.

Good thing we took James Young instead.

Well if you can't trust Bill Simmons who loved the pick, who can you trust when it comes to evaluating talent (or anything else for that matter).   ;)
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: sdceltsfan on December 13, 2017, 10:30:23 PM
If Smart were 6'10 and playing the role he currently is (defensive prowess and hustle player with streaky, at-best offense), then we should worry about a deal this high.

Guys scoring 9 points per game are not being offered 15-20 mil per at the guard positions. As clutch as Marcus can be at times, he is often quite expendable with these low shooting %'s and bonehead turnovers.

Not being looked at as a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th best player for most NBA teams, so who is going to shell a contract similar to Gary Harris, who would start and score on most teams? His offensive ceiling depends on his shooting percentages going up, and they seem to be trending the wrong way to get that top-tier money.

Smart gets a 4-yr 50mil if he's lucky (maybe mostly guaranteed)  at this point. If he turns that down, I would show him the door.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: green_bballers13 on December 14, 2017, 12:22:47 AM
I agree. I think someone pays him $15m per year. There's too many teams and limited talent, esp at the SG position. Smart brings abnormally good defense. I'd he would be paired with good shooters. I see no reason why he can't have a long career like Tony Allen.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: vjcsmoke on December 14, 2017, 01:09:42 AM
We could have drafted him but we took james young

We also could have drafted Jokic instead of Young that year.  Jokic wasn't taken until the 2nd round.

Harris got paid, good for him. 
Young was admittedly a bust.  But sometimes it's hard to find the good picks in the lower half of the draft.
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Moranis on December 14, 2017, 08:42:37 AM
Anyone still think Denver made a mistake giving him that contract?
Mistake is a bit tough, but 16/3/3/2 is not worth 21 million a year, even in this market (and he was only averaging 15 a game before yesterday). 
Title: Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
Post by: Smitty77 on December 14, 2017, 10:32:39 AM

 Let's slow down a bit. Harris put up 15 ppg last year at 22 years old he also shot .420% from three on 4.5 apg. That's Avery Bradley type production but five years younger.

 Let's see if smart can really approach 15 ppg with respectable shooting numbers first. He's looking better no doubt, but still a career .358% From the field and .291% from three for his career.

Exactly. Harris has improved every single year and that improvement has looked to continue this yesr, as he's been running the offense. To me he's a better version of Bradley. He's a much better ball handler, is a better shooter, probably a pinch more athletic, 5 years younger, and has better height (6'4). Bradleys a better perimeter defender, but not by that much.

The problem here is that many haven't seen Harris play much, if at all.

Okay, letís not get carried away here.  Harris is not a good defender.  Heís arguably not even an okay defender.  He doesnít rebound defensively at all. (Heís got the same career DRB% as IT, and was less than half AB last year). His steals and blocks numbers are pedestrian.  His advanced ratings range from okay (defensive win shares) to awful (84th of 91 shooting guards in DRPM).  Players shot 43 percent from 3 against him and 55.6 percent from 2 (6.7 and 6.3 percent better than they shot overall for the year).  And, whereas Bradley doesnít always come out looking great by some numbers, heís consistently mentioned by his peers as someone they hate being guarded by, has been voted all-defense in the past and had the highest vote total for someone who wasnít voted in last year, and is almost always asked to guard a teamís best perimeter player when heís on the court.  Harris has no such reputation at this point in his career (Bradley already had it entering his 4th year), nor no such responsibility.

Harris had a good defensive reputation coming out of college.  It has not translated at all in the pros, aside from having measurables that indicate he should be a good defender. Heís a very good shooter.  Heís downright deadly from the corner 3 at 56%.  Heís improving as a passer.  His contract is probably reasonable given his age and the steps forward heís made offensively to this point in his career, and it wasnít too difficult to see someone offering him the same deal Otto Porter got.  But in no way is he a good defender, and heís probably not even an okay one.  Some here may underrate Harris, but you are overrating him.

I totally agree with you saltlover!!  He had the 84th ranked defensive RPM out of 92 SG's in the entire NBA last year!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

Smitty77

Gary is currently ranked in defensive RPM THIS year!!!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2

Good for him and good for the Nuggets!!!!

Smitty77