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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Smitty77 on October 06, 2017, 12:45:32 AM
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With Batum out for around 8 weeks or until around Christmas (He LED them in assists last year with 5.9 per game!!), Charlotte desperately needs a passer. Rozier is NOT an ideal passer, but he as a very NICE up side!!
I would demand their unprotected first in 2018 and perhaps a protected second rounder as well. They are desperate and smart GM's like Danny know that they can take advantage of Cho right now!!
Thoughts?
Smitty77
P.S. This would allow us to keep Larkin and still have one open roster spot, correct?
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With Batum out for around 8 weeks or until around Christmas (He LED them in assists last year with 5.9 per game!!), Charlotte desperately needs a passer. Rozier is NOT an ideal passer, but he as a very NICE up side!!
I would demand their unprotected first in 2018 and perhaps a protected second rounder as well. They are desperate and smart GM's like Danny know that they can take advantage of Cho right now!!
Thoughts?
Smitty77
I think Angie would rather send picks and young players for another vet. The Celtics are in contention!
P.S. This would allow us to keep Larkin and still have one open roster spot, correct?
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If danny truly has his eyes on Davis, he pulls that trigger without blinking. That 1st would add to the pile of assets and make it impossible for another team to outbid
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Seriously doubt you could get more than a 2nd rounder for Rozier, straight up, nevermind a 1st and 2nd. Just don't think he is valued that highly across the league
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Seriously doubt you could get more than a 2nd rounder for Rozier, straight up, nevermind a 1st and 2nd. Just don't think he is valued that highly across the league
true. I don't think rozier is that valued either. Smart would be the guy they ask for But he's in his last year
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No way.
Rozier is a talented young player who has far higher upside then people here seem to acknowledge - there's a reason why he's one of the only Celtics left on this roster, and why Danny wasn't wiling to throw him into deals as filler. The kid has impressive potential.
On the other hand the East is weak and doggy dung right now, and I would be absolultely shocked if the Hornets don't make the playoffs. In fact I'd be pretty surprised if they don't land a top 5 seed. After Cleveland, Boston, Washington and Toronto, I can't think of anybody else in the East who looks likely to challenge them much.
Why trade a promising young player like Rozier (who's proven he steps his game up in the playoffs and in the clutch) for a potential 25th overall pick? Rozier is a rotation quality player, most 25th overall picks never become that.
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If danny truly has his eyes on Davis, he pulls that trigger without blinking. That 1st would add to the pile of assets and make it impossible for another team to outbid
I really don't see how a pick likely to fall in the 24 - 27 range, combined with our current list of assets, could possibly be enough to outbid Cleveland when they potentially offer Kevin Love, the 2018 Brooklyn 1st and filler.
For Pelicans it would make a ton of sense to put Love and Cousins together - getting a potential top 10 pick along with that? That's gold.
I don't see anything Boston could offer that can top that, especially considering the whole idea of salary matching.
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If danny truly has his eyes on Davis, he pulls that trigger without blinking. That 1st would add to the pile of assets and make it impossible for another team to outbid
I really don't see how a pick likely to fall in the 24 - 27 range, combined with our current list of assets, could possibly be enough to outbid Cleveland when they potentially offer Kevin Love, the 2018 Brooklyn 1st and filler.
For Pelicans it would make a ton of sense to put Love and Cousins together - getting a potential top 10 pick along with that? That's gold.
I don't see anything Boston could offer that can top that, especially considering the whole idea of salary matching.
Tatum + Brown + LAL/SAC pick beats that offer.
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If danny truly has his eyes on Davis, he pulls that trigger without blinking. That 1st would add to the pile of assets and make it impossible for another team to outbid
I really don't see how a pick likely to fall in the 24 - 27 range, combined with our current list of assets, could possibly be enough to outbid Cleveland when they potentially offer Kevin Love, the 2018 Brooklyn 1st and filler.
For Pelicans it would make a ton of sense to put Love and Cousins together - getting a potential top 10 pick along with that? That's gold.
I don't see anything Boston could offer that can top that, especially considering the whole idea of salary matching.
Why do you keep insisting that the pick will be in that range? You named 4 teams that you think are better than them in the east, which already puts them at that range, but you're not factoring in all the really good teams in the west. Vegas currently has the Hornets as being tied for the 9th best record in the conference, not league, this season. That pick could potentially be a homerun, which is why they would never do it. Rozier is just an average player right now. You don't trade that for mediocrity that's already 23 1/2.
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I think a better question is, does Rozier have higher trade value than #3 pick Jahlil Jokafor.
Ugh, the draft. Norman Powell taken at 46 in that draft...
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I think a better question is, does Rozier have higher trade value than #3 pick Jahlil Jokafor.
Ugh, the draft. Norman Powell taken at 46 in that draft...
And Josh Richardson at 40 :'(.
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I would I think that Larken could do his job, but they WOULD NEVER DO THIS DEAL! They are desperate, not delusional. They would counter by asking for Smart.
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Seriously doubt you could get more than a 2nd rounder for Rozier, straight up, nevermind a 1st and 2nd. Just don't think he is valued that highly across the league
You never know I guess, but I suspect that you're right.
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Pass on more lottery tickets for AD. I really hope the Pelicans play lights out this season.
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No way.
Rozier is a talented young player who has far higher upside then people here seem to acknowledge - there's a reason why he's one of the only Celtics left on this roster, and why Danny wasn't wiling to throw him into deals as filler. The kid has impressive potential.
On the other hand the East is weak and doggy dung right now, and I would be absolultely shocked if the Hornets don't make the playoffs. In fact I'd be pretty surprised if they don't land a top 5 seed. After Cleveland, Boston, Washington and Toronto, I can't think of anybody else in the East who looks likely to challenge them much.
Why trade a promising young player like Rozier (who's proven he steps his game up in the playoffs and in the clutch) for a potential 25th overall pick? Rozier is a rotation quality player, most 25th overall picks never become that.
Errr, Miami? I don't expect them to repeat the second half they had last year, but I can definitely see them being better than the Hornets (especially since they'll be missing Batum for a while). I'd put the Hornets at the same level as (or slightly above) Detroit.
And even if they are the 5th seed in the east, that would be more like the 20th pick than the 25th. In order for it to be 25th they'd need to be better than the #2 team out west.
This entire discussion is useless, though, because Charolette would never trade an unprotected (or protected) first for him. 4+ years of control on a rookie contract just flat out wins over 2+ of a 23 year old journeyman
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Why trade him for the Hornets' unprotected first? Just trade him straight up for AD!
Both deals are about as likely to happen
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generally the board over value players . mostly Celtics.
IF approached..Danny would be in the drivers seat though , and could just say I want some 1st round pick or forget the trade. I would expect him to ask that much . Whether or not they got a deal is anybodies guess.
Chnaces of them getting Smart ....Slim or none.
Rozier claims he doesn't think he ll be traded . Mighty dumb , considering DA recent. history of people who thought they were safe too. LOL.
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generally the board over value players . mostly Celtics.
IF approached..Danny would be in the drivers seat though , and could just say I want some 1st round pick or forget the trade. I would expect him to ask that much . Whether or not they got a deal is anybodies guess.
Chnaces of them getting Smart ....Slim or none.
Rozier claims he doesn't think he ll be traded . Mighty dumb , considering DA recent. history of people who thought they were safe too. LOL.
...and Charlotte would promptly hang up and forget the trade. I get starting high in negotiations, but if you set your asking price at $1,000,000 for your '99 Toyota Camry no one is even going to talk to you. You can aim high without being delusional
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I think Rozier is going to provide some important depth minutes for this team. I don't think it is worth it to trade him for a pick that may or may not help in some future trade. I have no problem including Rozier in a trade that gets us a player that helps the team but not just for a fairly random pick.
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I won't.
Rozier would be a great backup PG option for any team. Fearless, plays defense, and can make an impact. Charlotte is poised to make the Playoffs, I would pass on trading Rozier for a mid-late first rounder.
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Why trade him for the Hornets' unprotected first? Just trade him straight up for AD!
Both deals are about as likely to happen
Heck, why not BOTH the pick and AD? ;D
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Why trade him for the Hornets' unprotected first? Just trade him straight up for AD!
Both deals are about as likely to happen
Heck, why not BOTH the pick and AD? ;D
Under normal circumstances trading the same player to two separate franchises would be impossible, but Terry Rozier transcends the bounds of time and place.
Rozier might even be on Will Solomon's level.
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Rozier for the Hornets unprotected first is a great deal.
The Hornets would never do that though.
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I'm a big Rozier believer and if you don't do this you'd be a dummy.
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Charlotte was predicted to win 42 to 43 games and finish around the 7th or 8th seed BEFORE losing Batum (their leading assist guy) until around January 1!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723737-nba-schedule-2017-18-team-by-team-record-predictions-and-playoff-odds
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/30/nba-over-under-win-totals-all-30-teams-2017-2018-season
Plus, I see Detroit finally gelling, especially once they get Jax back!!!! The addition of Avery and his defense and his locker room leadership is HIGHLY UNDERRATED!!!
I see Detroit and Philly now finishing higher than the Hornets, putting the Hornets in the 9th spot in the East.
Smitty77
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Why trade him for the Hornets' unprotected first? Just trade him straight up for AD!
Both deals are about as likely to happen
Heck, why not BOTH the pick and AD? ;D
If Charlotte makes the playoffs again (likely given how weak the East is), they could have a first round pick in the 20's. Rozier was the 16th pick a couple years ago. While he has shown flashes, he really hasn't done that much.
That being said, he had IT and Marcus Smart in front of him. Now he has Kyrie ahead of him.
If The Hornets wanted a backup PG, they could do worse than Rozier.
I don't necessarily see CHA trading a first for Rozier, but its not a comparable trade to anything including Anthony Davis.
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If danny truly has his eyes on Davis, he pulls that trigger without blinking. That 1st would add to the pile of assets and make it impossible for another team to outbid
I really don't see how a pick likely to fall in the 24 - 27 range, combined with our current list of assets, could possibly be enough to outbid Cleveland when they potentially offer Kevin Love, the 2018 Brooklyn 1st and filler.
For Pelicans it would make a ton of sense to put Love and Cousins together - getting a potential top 10 pick along with that? That's gold.
I don't see anything Boston could offer that can top that, especially considering the whole idea of salary matching.
Tatum + Brown + LAL/SAC pick beats that offer.
Sorry but to me you don't trade Tatum AND Brown in almost any deal....
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Ya I don't think you are getting an unprotected first for Rozier. Hell I'm not sure you get an unprotected first for Marcus Smart. I remember on the Dunc'd on Podcast they were speculating a late first early second for Smart to open up room for the Hayward signing.
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No
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Isnt Batum a forward?