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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rollie mass on October 03, 2017, 07:04:56 AM
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As he several times took it too the basket for scores and used his speed and muscle to turn the corner-not bad for the almost last pick and rookie of year d league. He showed no nerves for first game in Boston Garden.Shane Larkin showed why Brad is high on him -.
So not to be confusing for Eddie 20-Larkin could do really well ,when Celts need that Isaiah change of pace and style,Hey Eddie!!! Nader didn't look the least out of place for a rookie and did Theis play tough enough for you..
Got to watch hyperbole, Eddie will then say i'm touting them to be all stars.
.Every time Nader scored i was thinking "In Your Face Eddie"-If nothing else Nader can get to rim with his elite length and elite use of either hand and can knock down some threes .
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As he several times took it too the basket for scores and used his speed and muscle to turn the corner-not bad for the almost last pick and rookie of year d league and showed no nerves for first game in Boston Garden.Shane Larkin showed why Brad is high on him -.
So not to be confusing for Eddie House-Larkin could do really well ,when Celts need that Isaiah change of pace and style,Hey Eddie!!! Nader didn't look the least out of place for a rookie and did Theis play tough enough for you..
Got to watch hyperbole, Eddie will then say i'm touting them to be all stars.
.Every time Nader scored i was thinking "In Your Face Eddie"-If nothing else Nader can get to rim with his elite length and elite use of either hand and can knock down some threes .
I agree
Nader is much more aggressive than Young.
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I am excited for all our players potential. Nader is going to stick for sure.
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As he several times took it too the basket for scores and used his speed and muscle to turn the corner-not bad for the almost last pick and rookie of year d league. He showed no nerves for first game in Boston Garden.Shane Larkin showed why Brad is high on him -.
So not to be confusing for Eddie House-Larkin could do really well ,when Celts need that Isaiah change of pace and style,Hey Eddie!!! Nader didn't look the least out of place for a rookie and did Theis play tough enough for you..
Got to watch hyperbole, Eddie will then say i'm touting them to be all stars.
.Every time Nader scored i was thinking "In Your Face Eddie"-If nothing else Nader can get to rim with his elite length and elite use of either hand and can knock down some threes .
I never said that Theis wasn't tough. I said that I've never seen it, but wouldn't be surprised if he was considering his experience playing professionally. I said the ones I questioned about being tough were the rookies.
I'm not sure if continuing to say "Nader is no James Young" is really a compliment. Besides, did anyone ever say he was? From a basketball perspective I really want him to move the ball more. It seems that every time he touches it, he either shoots it or takes it to the basket even when the play isn't there. While I do enjoy aggressive play, I'd like to see him become a more willing passer. Defensively I'm not impressed with his lateral foot speed and preventing penetration. He gives effort, but his lack of side-to-side quickness will probably always be an issue.
It's funny, but I didn't hear you say a single word about Ojeleye. Why? Didn't you suggest he would eclipse Crowder? Ojeleye's biggest issue seems to be a lack of motor. The guy plays with absolutely no energy. And the hustle stats that I mentioned where last season he only averaged 6.6 RPG in 34.1 MPG and only registered 15 steals and 14 blocks in 1195 minutes of play seems to be pretty indicative of his motor. In 21 minutes last night he had 2 rebounds, 0 steals, and 0 blocks.
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As he several times took it too the basket for scores and used his speed and muscle to turn the corner-not bad for the almost last pick and rookie of year d league. He showed no nerves for first game in Boston Garden.Shane Larkin showed why Brad is high on him -.
So not to be confusing for Eddie 20-Larkin could do really well ,when Celts need that Isaiah change of pace and style,Hey Eddie!!! Nader didn't look the least out of place for a rookie and did Theis play tough enough for you..
Got to watch hyperbole, Eddie will then say i'm touting them to be all stars.
.Every time Nader scored i was thinking "In Your Face Eddie"-If nothing else Nader can get to rim with his elite length and elite use of either hand and can knock down some threes .
Yep. Nader isn't an explosive athlete by any means but he seems to know how to use angles to get his man on his hip and get to the rim. If he's able to make drives like he did last night and knock down shots, Rozier had better keep an eye on his minutes because Nader could be coming for them (as a backup guard alongside Smart).
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yabusele had 6 rebounds 2 offensive in his first rookie game ,nader 12 points 4 rebounds,theis 7 rebounds 12 points-semi hit a three and had two boards-
You have been criticizing my complimentary nature and i watch everything i can
,And Green kept us from losing the chicago series-the hope of green and isaiah creating was backed by fact of their results together with the suns but didn't happen-TALK POSITIVE THINK NEGATIVE might do you some good
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I was really impressed with some of the new guys.
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yabusele had 6 rebounds 2 offensive in his first rookie game ,nader 12 points 4 rebounds,theis 7 rebounds 12 points-semi hit a three and had two boards-
You have been criticizing my complimentary nature and i watch everything i can
,And Green kept us from losing the chicago series-the hope of green and isaiah creating was backed by fact of their results together with the suns but didn't happen-TALK POSITIVE THINK NEGATIVE might do you some good
Rollie, you're a favorite of many us in this group...don't worry about what posters might say. Speak your mind....don't start filtering.
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yabusele had 6 rebounds 2 offensive in his first rookie game ,nader 12 points 4 rebounds,theis 7 rebounds 12 points-semi hit a three and had two boards-
You have been criticizing my complimentary nature and i watch everything i can
,And Green kept us from losing the chicago series-the hope of green and isaiah creating was backed by fact of their results together with the suns but didn't happen-TALK POSITIVE THINK NEGATIVE might do you some good
I'm actually very optimistic for the season. In fact, I think we'll be in the Finals this year. I'm just realistic when it comes to overrating fringe players. Too many Conner Henry flash in the pan types come and go.
Theis - I like a lot. He's an upgrade over Jerebko (another one of your favorites) and can provide some rim running/energy this season.
Yabu - He has a good motor, but he's raw. And when I say "raw" I'm being kind to not say he flat out sucks. He has potential, but I'm very concerned about his lack of lift. Especially when going up against length.
Nader - Again, he's sort of a black hole. When he gets the ball he's usually going to shoot it. You can tell he's always had the ball in his hands and isn't used to moving the ball. His lateral quickness defensively is lacking. He won't be in the rotation and his minutes will be sporadic.
Ojeleye - Perhaps the NBA's Mike Mamula. A combine king who's numbers don't reflect on the court. Lacks motor. Limited ball-handling skills. If you want to think he's the next Crowder, then so be it.
Larkin - The season overseas did him well. Probably our team's only pure PG. Very effective in running PNR and controlling tempo.
BTW, it's kind of funny that you continually to chalk up Green as a win. He shot 40% from the field, played in only 47 games, and averaged just 11 MPG. He had a decent series against Chicago and hit a few wide open shots, but overall he sucked. The proof is in the pudding and not only did Ainge and co. not want him back, but he garnered limited interest in free agency and might not make the Bucks roster.
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yabusele had 6 rebounds 2 offensive in his first rookie game ,nader 12 points 4 rebounds,theis 7 rebounds 12 points-semi hit a three and had two boards-
You have been criticizing my complimentary nature and i watch everything i can
,And Green kept us from losing the chicago series-the hope of green and isaiah creating was backed by fact of their results together with the suns but didn't happen-TALK POSITIVE THINK NEGATIVE might do you some good
Rollie, you're a favorite of many us in this group...don't worry about what posters might say. Speak your mind....don't start filtering.
Calm down. He'll be fine. #nofilter
Semi still has a ton to work on, so does Nader. Both decent prospects though.
Theis on the other hand, looks like he will most definitely go into the usual rotation.
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I don't know, Rolli - Cs 14th man was Young last season, which is Nader this season ;)
I agree that Nader is a lot more aggressive and has some offensive talent, but Eddie is right on him being a black hole. Unless he is the ultimate teammate (like Gerald Green was), then he is going to need to learn to play more team-oriented ball. You don't get yourself into the rotation on a top playoff team by shooting the ball every time you touch it.
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I was glad to see some assists and rebounds for Tatum. I think he'll figure out how to score at a high level; the difference maker for him will be if he is a black hole ball stopper or a positive part of an overall good offense. 5 assists is a good sign for the latter.
Basically, I hope he is more of a Pts/Rbs/Assts 22/7/3-4 kind of a SF rather than at 23/4/1-2.
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As he several times took it too the basket for scores and used his speed and muscle to turn the corner-not bad for the almost last pick and rookie of year d league. He showed no nerves for first game in Boston Garden.Shane Larkin showed why Brad is high on him -.
So not to be confusing for Eddie 20-Larkin could do really well ,when Celts need that Isaiah change of pace and style,Hey Eddie!!! Nader didn't look the least out of place for a rookie and did Theis play tough enough for you..
Got to watch hyperbole, Eddie will then say i'm touting them to be all stars.
.Every time Nader scored i was thinking "In Your Face Eddie"-If nothing else Nader can get to rim with his elite length and elite use of either hand and can knock down some threes .
Yep. Nader isn't an explosive athlete by any means but he seems to know how to use angles to get his man on his hip and get to the rim. If he's able to make drives like he did last night and knock down shots, Rozier had better keep an eye on his minutes because Nader could be coming for them (as a backup guard alongside Smart).
If Nader can knock down 3's consistently he's going to force Brad to play him. I think right now the biggest weakness they have - on paper anyway - is the 2nd unit's ability to score, apart from Tatum.
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Black hole ,the red claws jack three's and lost their point guard and used Nader as a point forward -Yesterday he missed one three and after a nice baseline move missed his left hand finger roll that just rolled out-if that layup went he would have only missed a 3 point shot--this guy is ambidextrous and has a 7ft-1 wingspan-a nice game for a guy, who gave up good money to play in the celtics system-
At Iowa he was the 2nd option and wasn't aloud to jack up shots.
The Celts wanted him doing what he did in Maine drive and kick, shoot threes and averaged about 24 points.most of the season and about 40% till all star break-
4 out of 5 layups the one miss just rolled out and 1-2 threes and 4 rebounds yesterday-and had a hand in the face on opponents shots
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Nader is much more aggressive than Young.
Nader: Unsafe at any speed...
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Nader has " NO FEAR ". ..... he might make mistakes , but not because he is timid , shy , James Young was like a deer in the headligts most of the time I saw him. He melted under pressure.
Nader , Theis , Tatum and Larkin made a nice unit ..... Toss in Smart or Brown and that group can ball.
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It's fun to speculate on what the Celtics coaching staff have "told" Nader.
"Push to score on every play."
"[dang] the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
Last night, in some ways, was a replay of his G league last year. He's got the ball at the top of the key. He's up against the second string Hornet's point guard, realizes the match up and drives to the rim. That's what he does because that is what they want him to do. He's big, fast and aggressive...good combination.
"Put Nader in so he can score." If that is the kid's gig? Let him. Not going to be starting any time soon.
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yabusele had 6 rebounds 2 offensive in his first rookie game ,nader 12 points 4 rebounds,theis 7 rebounds 12 points-semi hit a three and had two boards-
You have been criticizing my complimentary nature and i watch everything i can
,And Green kept us from losing the chicago series-the hope of green and isaiah creating was backed by fact of their results together with the suns but didn't happen-TALK POSITIVE THINK NEGATIVE might do you some good
I'm actually very optimistic for the season. In fact, I think we'll be in the Finals this year. I'm just realistic when it comes to overrating fringe players. Too many Conner Henry flash in the pan types come and go.
Theis - I like a lot. He's an upgrade over Jerebko (another one of your favorites) and can provide some rim running/energy this season.
Yabu - He has a good motor, but he's raw. And when I say "raw" I'm being kind to not say he flat out sucks. He has potential, but I'm very concerned about his lack of lift. Especially when going up against length.
Nader - Again, he's sort of a black hole. When he gets the ball he's usually going to shoot it. You can tell he's always had the ball in his hands and isn't used to moving the ball. His lateral quickness defensively is lacking. He won't be in the rotation and his minutes will be sporadic.
Ojeleye - Perhaps the NBA's Mike Mamula. A combine king who's numbers don't reflect on the court. Lacks motor. Limited ball-handling skills. If you want to think he's the next Crowder, then so be it.
Larkin - The season overseas did him well. Probably our team's only pure PG. Very effective in running PNR and controlling tempo.
BTW, it's kind of funny that you continually to chalk up Green as a win. He shot 40% from the field, played in only 47 games, and averaged just 11 MPG. He had a decent series against Chicago and hit a few wide open shots, but overall he sucked. The proof is in the pudding and not only did Ainge and co. not want him back, but he garnered limited interest in free agency and might not make the Bucks roster.
Great analysis, can't disagree with much of it.
I need to see Brown get more aggressive offensively.
I never worry about Rozier, he's my guy.
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Before everyone gets crazy high on expectations for our rookies, we should remember the stats they posted were in preseason against 2nd and 3rd team members of the Hornets.
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Before everyone gets crazy high on expectations for our rookies, we should remember the stats they posted were in preseason against 2nd and 3rd team members of the Hornets.
Even though they were playing against 2nd and 3rd string players....they looked very good...a lot better than many of us anticipated. There should be some carry-over into the regular season.
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I actually feel Nader outplayed Young LAST SEASON. But due to possible potential and a contract Young was kept. I don't see him being in the nba.
As far as rotation guys from game one preseason. Loving theis, Larkin looks solid, a very good 3rd string pg, yabu and oli look d league. Game simply looked too fast for them, granted one preseason game.
I was most impressed with theis and baynes last night. Also once Tatum calmed down he showed pierce/bird (yep i said it) confidence on offense. Looks like that part of game will come easy to him.
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It's fun to speculate on what the Celtics coaching staff have "told" Nader.
"Push to score on every play."
"[dang] the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
Last night, in some ways, was a replay of his G league last year. He's got the ball at the top of the key. He's up against the second string Hornet's point guard, realizes the match up and drives to the rim. That's what he does because that is what they want him to do. He's big, fast and aggressive...good combination.
"Put Nader in so he can score." If that is the kid's gig? Let him. Not going to be starting any time soon.
That is, make the right basketball play. High BBIQ.
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It's fun to speculate on what the Celtics coaching staff have "told" Nader.
"Push to score on every play."
"[dang] the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
Last night, in some ways, was a replay of his G league last year. He's got the ball at the top of the key. He's up against the second string Hornet's point guard, realizes the match up and drives to the rim. That's what he does because that is what they want him to do. He's big, fast and aggressive...good combination.
"Put Nader in so he can score." If that is the kid's gig? Let him. Not going to be starting any time soon.
That is, make the right basketball play. High BBIQ.
Can't really credit BBIQ for a perimeter player driving right against a smaller opponent 3 or 4 times. He needs a heck of a lot more than that in both skills and smarts.
Practice fodder anyway.
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Theis - I like a lot. He's an upgrade over Jerebko (another one of your favorites) and can provide some rim running/energy this season.
I just don't get the Jerebko comparison. Theis is a big with length, Jerebko is not. There's more to say about them, but that's a yawning chasm.
Yabu - He has a good motor, but he's raw. And when I say "raw" I'm being kind to not say he flat out sucks. He has potential, but I'm very concerned about his lack of lift. Especially when going up against length.
There's some justice in your lift concern, I think. But he did recently have surgery on both feet and an enforced layoff for rehabbing them. Whether he can recover the impressive hops he's had is critical for his career - there's an opening for him to step into as a big.
Nader - Again, he's sort of a black hole. When he gets the ball he's usually going to shoot it... He won't be in the rotation and his minutes will be sporadic.
I bet that you're right about sporadic minutes, but as for being a "black hole", his D-League record says otherwise - assist % of 21.2 shows that he's mixing it up and looking to make a play. Was turnover-prone, too, though; and I thought that was the case in SL, too.
He's got some really enticing skills: moves super-quick with the ball, he's decisive, and he's got a repertoire of flips and floaters with a really supple wrist. Those are great skills for a ball-handler, since he's still a threat if he doesn't get all the way to the rim. Add reliable range shooting and you've got an NBA player.
Will he make the rotation this year? That's a steep climb, and I'd bet against it. You mention weaknesses in his defense - you've got a point, too, but I think that he'll be average or better; he's got a good body, good joints, and those quick feet. Broad shoulders (like Tatum and Brown) are good for D, good for driving into the paint. Quick reaction. He needs lower body work; risk of hamstring cramps and such, I'd guess.
Ojeleye - Perhaps the NBA's Mike Mamula. A combine king who's numbers don't reflect on the court. Lacks motor. Limited ball-handling skills. If you want to think he's the next Crowder, then so be it.
I think that you're mistaken to be so dismissive.
"Combine king" - you have wit, my friend. :laugh:
About the motor - suffice it to say, that's not what I see.
He got significant minutes - what were they looking at? It's worth considering.
On defense, they had him guard up (Kaminsky) and down, and they had him with the group of backups that faced the Charlotte starters in the 3rd, guarding Marvin Williams. That group, by the way, had Yabusele at center (guarding Zeller).
On offense they had him spotting up, doing basic moves. Bottom line - they haven't worked him into the offense. He's probably learning a lot of new stuff right now.
Interestinger and interestinger. Marcus Smart came in for Kyrie. Last year he was virtually always on the floor with either Thomas or Rozier...
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Theis - I like a lot. He's an upgrade over Jerebko (another one of your favorites) and can provide some rim running/energy this season.
I just don't get the Jerebko comparison. Theis is a big with length, Jerebko is not. There's more to say about them, but that's a yawning chasm.
I agreed with a lot of your comments, but I'm not tracking this one about length. Jerebko is listed at 6'10", Theis is listed at 6'9".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jerebjo01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/theisda01.html
I haven't been able to find Theis' wingspan/standing reach anywhere. By the eye test, Theis looks to have a long wingspan, but Jerebko wasn't exactly Kelly O. If there's a length difference, it doesn't appear to be huge. Where's your info on this coming from?
Jerebko was a little skinnier - they're listed about 10 pounds apart - and he plays more of a perimeter game. Physically, I see Theis as a jacked version of JJ. As to his game, it looks quite a bit different - more aggressive, possibly better passing and defense, but way too early to tell.
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As he several times took it too the basket for scores and used his speed and muscle to turn the corner-not bad for the almost last pick and rookie of year d league. He showed no nerves for first game in Boston Garden.Shane Larkin showed why Brad is high on him -.
So not to be confusing for Eddie House-Larkin could do really well ,when Celts need that Isaiah change of pace and style,Hey Eddie!!! Nader didn't look the least out of place for a rookie and did Theis play tough enough for you..
Got to watch hyperbole, Eddie will then say i'm touting them to be all stars.
.Every time Nader scored i was thinking "In Your Face Eddie"-If nothing else Nader can get to rim with his elite length and elite use of either hand and can knock down some threes .
I never said that Theis wasn't tough. I said that I've never seen it, but wouldn't be surprised if he was considering his experience playing professionally. I said the ones I questioned about being tough were the rookies.
I'm not sure if continuing to say "Nader is no James Young" is really a compliment. Besides, did anyone ever say he was? From a basketball perspective I really want him to move the ball more. It seems that every time he touches it, he either shoots it or takes it to the basket even when the play isn't there. While I do enjoy aggressive play, I'd like to see him become a more willing passer. Defensively I'm not impressed with his lateral foot speed and preventing penetration. He gives effort, but his lack of side-to-side quickness will probably always be an issue.
It's funny, but I didn't hear you say a single word about Ojeleye. Why? Didn't you suggest he would eclipse Crowder? Ojeleye's biggest issue seems to be a lack of motor. The guy plays with absolutely no energy. And the hustle stats that I mentioned where last season he only averaged 6.6 RPG in 34.1 MPG and only registered 15 steals and 14 blocks in 1195 minutes of play seems to be pretty indicative of his motor. In 21 minutes last night he had 2 rebounds, 0 steals, and 0 blocks.
My god, finally somebody else who noticed this!!
Everybody else seemed so blinded by the fact that he actually made a couple of shots, that they completely ignored the fact that he was the biggest black hole I've seen in a Celtics uniform since...maybe ever.
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Theis - I like a lot. He's an upgrade over Jerebko (another one of your favorites) and can provide some rim running/energy this season.
I just don't get the Jerebko comparison. Theis is a big with length, Jerebko is not. There's more to say about them, but that's a yawning chasm.
I agreed with a lot of your comments, but I'm not tracking this one about length. Jerebko is listed at 6'10", Theis is listed at 6'9".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jerebjo01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/theisda01.html
I haven't been able to find Theis' wingspan/standing reach anywhere. By the eye test, Theis looks to have a long wingspan, but Jerebko wasn't exactly Kelly O. If there's a length difference, it doesn't appear to be huge. Where's your info on this coming from?
Jerebko was a little skinnier - they're listed about 10 pounds apart - and he plays more of a perimeter game. Physically, I see Theis as a jacked version of JJ. As to his game, it looks quite a bit different - more aggressive, possibly better passing and defense, but way too early to tell.
Young Amir Johnson? That's who he seems to remind me of.
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As he several times took it too the basket for scores and used his speed and muscle to turn the corner-not bad for the almost last pick and rookie of year d league. He showed no nerves for first game in Boston Garden.Shane Larkin showed why Brad is high on him -.
So not to be confusing for Eddie House-Larkin could do really well ,when Celts need that Isaiah change of pace and style,Hey Eddie!!! Nader didn't look the least out of place for a rookie and did Theis play tough enough for you..
Got to watch hyperbole, Eddie will then say i'm touting them to be all stars.
.Every time Nader scored i was thinking "In Your Face Eddie"-If nothing else Nader can get to rim with his elite length and elite use of either hand and can knock down some threes .
I never said that Theis wasn't tough. I said that I've never seen it, but wouldn't be surprised if he was considering his experience playing professionally. I said the ones I questioned about being tough were the rookies.
I'm not sure if continuing to say "Nader is no James Young" is really a compliment. Besides, did anyone ever say he was? From a basketball perspective I really want him to move the ball more. It seems that every time he touches it, he either shoots it or takes it to the basket even when the play isn't there. While I do enjoy aggressive play, I'd like to see him become a more willing passer. Defensively I'm not impressed with his lateral foot speed and preventing penetration. He gives effort, but his lack of side-to-side quickness will probably always be an issue.
It's funny, but I didn't hear you say a single word about Ojeleye. Why? Didn't you suggest he would eclipse Crowder? Ojeleye's biggest issue seems to be a lack of motor. The guy plays with absolutely no energy. And the hustle stats that I mentioned where last season he only averaged 6.6 RPG in 34.1 MPG and only registered 15 steals and 14 blocks in 1195 minutes of play seems to be pretty indicative of his motor. In 21 minutes last night he had 2 rebounds, 0 steals, and 0 blocks.
My god, finally somebody else who noticed this!!
Everybody else seemed so blinded by the fact that he actually made a couple of shots, that they completely ignored the fact that he was the biggest black hole I've seen in a Celtics uniform since...maybe ever.
You want him to move the ball-he scored with ease only missing a finger roll that that barely rolled out -the guy can go left as well as right you can't get much more efficient -this 6-6 kid has a 7-1 inch wingspan together with an ambidextrous ability -shot over 40% from three most of a long d league year tailed off after an injury.
Nothing worse than the hyperbole of negativism
-All those layups were clean and unforced and that wingspan helps negate some of his lack of lateral
The development and scoring of 2nd team is a critical part of long regular season and so is building team chemistry.
Semi-where did you get he has bad motor, nowhere did i read that, not even mentioned in draft express weaknesses .Brad loves his versatility and ability to switch on defense.
Matter of fact what credentials do you have to contradict Brad Stevens,
Semi has average length that hurts his steal ratio and rebounding against bigs.
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Theis - I like a lot. He's an upgrade over Jerebko (another one of your favorites) and can provide some rim running/energy this season.
I just don't get the Jerebko comparison. Theis is a big with length, Jerebko is not. There's more to say about them, but that's a yawning chasm.
I agreed with a lot of your comments, but I'm not tracking this one about length. Jerebko is listed at 6'10", Theis is listed at 6'9".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jerebjo01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/theisda01.html
I haven't been able to find Theis' wingspan/standing reach anywhere. By the eye test, Theis looks to have a long wingspan, but Jerebko wasn't exactly Kelly O. If there's a length difference, it doesn't appear to be huge. Where's your info on this coming from?
Jerebko was a little skinnier - they're listed about 10 pounds apart - and he plays more of a perimeter game. Physically, I see Theis as a jacked version of JJ. As to his game, it looks quite a bit different - more aggressive, possibly better passing and defense, but way too early to tell.
No, I don't mean that Theis reminds me of Jerebko. It's more like he will be taking the Jerebko minutes, when you consider Baynes will be taking the Amir ones, while Morris will be taking the Olynyk ones.
I can't really think of a player comparable for him. He's like a hybrid of players. For example height to wingspan ratio he does remind me of Kirilenko, but he's bigger and not as skilled.
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He looks like a poor man's Evan Turner.
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Theis - I like a lot. He's an upgrade over Jerebko (another one of your favorites) and can provide some rim running/energy this season.
I just don't get the Jerebko comparison. Theis is a big with length, Jerebko is not. There's more to say about them, but that's a yawning chasm.
I agreed with a lot of your comments, but I'm not tracking this one about length. Jerebko is listed at 6'10", Theis is listed at 6'9".
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jerebjo01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/theisda01.html
I haven't been able to find Theis' wingspan/standing reach anywhere. By the eye test, Theis looks to have a long wingspan, but Jerebko wasn't exactly Kelly O. If there's a length difference, it doesn't appear to be huge. Where's your info on this coming from?
Jerebko was a little skinnier - they're listed about 10 pounds apart - and he plays more of a perimeter game. Physically, I see Theis as a jacked version of JJ. As to his game, it looks quite a bit different - more aggressive, possibly better passing and defense, but way too early to tell.
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Yes, ten pounds does not seem like a lot, and strength is a bigger factor at that degree of difference. And my source is the eye test (caveat!) - both for strength and length. But ten pounds is a meaningful difference at this level of fitness.
I would have said that Theis is obviously longer, significantly longer, than Jerebko. But I have no number for his wingspan/standing reach. I guess I'd be willing to eat crow on this one, if someone had reliable information to the contrary.
Jerebko has some assets defensively - including physical aggression (remember that Brad put him in the starting lineup briefly last winter when he was complaining that his team wasn't playing physical); but he doesn't have great speed or strength and doesn't block shots. He's a "coach on the floor" and a leader in the team defense, talking and directing. He's got some of the "instigator" mentality that Ainge/Auerbach like, hitting guys when he comes in the game. I was sorry to lose him - he's a Celtic in the old sense, a real team player.
No, I don't mean that Theis reminds me of Jerebko. It's more like he will be taking the Jerebko minutes, when you consider Baynes will be taking the Amir ones, while Morris will be taking the Olynyk ones.
Aha. Well, that makes sense to me - Theis, iow, gets 10th-man minutes, in and out of the rotation.
If he keeps getting the ball and deflections and getting to the rim, perhaps Amir-level minutes is his upside this season.
I can't really think of a player comparable for him. He's like a hybrid of players. For example height to wingspan ratio he does remind me of Kirilenko, but he's bigger and not as skilled.
Being incomparable is an advantage. Note also Yabusele...
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Nader is a fearless gunner the issue seems to be his gun is a dribble drive to hoop from top of key. He does it well considering he's not super quick. I think he's mastered the art of taking his guy off the dribble and sealing him on his hip to the right of the basket.
He doesn't seem to excel at anything else but there is a place in the NBA for guys coming off the bench who can get buckets when you are in a drought.
Danny is giving this guy a long look in hopes something else breaks out in his game?
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Nader is a fearless gunner the issue seems to be his gun is a dribble drive to hoop from top of key.
TP. I think if Nader learns to share the ball better and the second unit has offensive trouble he still might carve out an Evan Turner/Gerald Green role.
That said, I'm hoping we won't have so much offensive trouble on the second unit. Marcus Morris might be a good option; his efficiency last year wasn't great, but he was playing against first units - he might feast against 2d units in iso or on spot-ups. We are all hoping for good things from Tatum. Add one of the big three and Marcus, and the second units might hum.
If Nader keeps scoring he can force his way into the rotation, but I think he's got an uphill climb and will be sitting most nights unless there's an injury.
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Nader is a fearless gunner the issue seems to be his gun is a dribble drive to hoop from top of key.
TP. I think if Nader learns to share the ball better and the second unit has offensive trouble he still might carve out an Evan Turner/Gerald Green role.
That said, I'm hoping we won't have so much offensive trouble on the second unit. Marcus Morris might be a good option; his efficiency last year wasn't great, but he was playing against first units - he might feast against 2d units in iso or on spot-ups. We are all hoping for good things from Tatum. Add one of the big three and Marcus, and the second units might hum.
If Nader keeps scoring he can force his way into the rotation, but I think he's got an uphill climb and will be sitting most nights unless there's an injury.
FWIW, Nader was a decent 3 point shooter in the D League where he won D League Rookie of the Year and made the All D-League 2nd Team. He averged just shy of 4 apg there.
Obviously this is just the D-League but he had a pretty complete game there.
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Egyptians don't smoke weed.
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Nader is a fearless gunner the issue seems to be his gun is a dribble drive to hoop from top of key.
TP. I think if Nader learns to share the ball better and the second unit has offensive trouble he still might carve out an Evan Turner/Gerald Green role.
That said, I'm hoping we won't have so much offensive trouble on the second unit. Marcus Morris might be a good option; his efficiency last year wasn't great, but he was playing against first units - he might feast against 2d units in iso or on spot-ups. We are all hoping for good things from Tatum. Add one of the big three and Marcus, and the second units might hum.
If Nader keeps scoring he can force his way into the rotation, but I think he's got an uphill climb and will be sitting most nights unless there's an injury.
FWIW, Nader was a decent 3 point shooter in the D League where he won D League Rookie of the Year and made the All D-League 2nd Team. He averged just shy of 4 apg there.
Obviously this is just the D-League but he had a pretty complete game there.
For perspective, former Celtic Vander Blue, who is just 1 year younger than Nader, was the D-League MVP (League not Rookie MVP) and was also all D-League 1st team the last 2 seasons. In addition, look how similar his numbers are to Nader:
Blue - Nader
FG% 43.5 - 44.7
FT% 80.7 - 79.4
3pt% 35.1 - 34.9
PPG 24.8 - 21.3
RPG 5.1 - 6.2
APG 3.0 - 3.9
TOV 2.1 - 3.7
SPG 1.6 - 1.0
True% 56.9 - 56.8
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/b6/7b6cfe58-83e4-11e3-9e91-001a4bcf887a/52e09764e113e.image.jpg)
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Nader is a fearless gunner the issue seems to be his gun is a dribble drive to hoop from top of key.
TP. I think if Nader learns to share the ball better and the second unit has offensive trouble he still might carve out an Evan Turner/Gerald Green role.
That said, I'm hoping we won't have so much offensive trouble on the second unit. Marcus Morris might be a good option; his efficiency last year wasn't great, but he was playing against first units - he might feast against 2d units in iso or on spot-ups. We are all hoping for good things from Tatum. Add one of the big three and Marcus, and the second units might hum.
If Nader keeps scoring he can force his way into the rotation, but I think he's got an uphill climb and will be sitting most nights unless there's an injury.
FWIW, Nader was a decent 3 point shooter in the D League where he won D League Rookie of the Year and made the All D-League 2nd Team. He averged just shy of 4 apg there.
Obviously this is just the D-League but he had a pretty complete game there.
Here are some other stats from some of our past D-League rookies:
Terry Rozier
19.4 PTS., 8 AST. 6.4 REB, 1.9 STL, 2.7 TO, 33 MIN, 39% FG, 34% 3PT, 78% FT
RJ Hunter
18.1 PTS, 3.3 AST, 2.6 REB, 1.0 STL, 2.0 TO, 31 MIN, 39% FG, 32% 3PT, 7% FT
Jordan Mickey
17.4 PTS, 1.3 AST, 10.3 REB, 4.4 BLK, 2.1 TO, 53% FG, 35% 3PT, 74% FT
James Young
21.5 PTS, 2.0 AST, 4.8 REB, 1.5 STL, 2.6 TO, 33 MIN, 46% FG, 44% 3PT, 76% FT
Phil Pressey only played one D-League game as a rookie, finished wih 34 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds and 3 steals.
Just saying...if you want to even dream of cracking an NBA roster, then putting up dominant numbers at the D-League level is pretty much a bare minimum prerequisite.
Even dominating at the Summer League means more to me then D-League. Phil Pressey was never capable fo putting up anything close to 33 / 8 / 7 in a summer league game, and James young could never come close to averaging 21 PPG in the Summer League either.
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Nader is a fearless gunner the issue seems to be his gun is a dribble drive to hoop from top of key.
TP. I think if Nader learns to share the ball better and the second unit has offensive trouble he still might carve out an Evan Turner/Gerald Green role.
That said, I'm hoping we won't have so much offensive trouble on the second unit. Marcus Morris might be a good option; his efficiency last year wasn't great, but he was playing against first units - he might feast against 2d units in iso or on spot-ups. We are all hoping for good things from Tatum. Add one of the big three and Marcus, and the second units might hum.
If Nader keeps scoring he can force his way into the rotation, but I think he's got an uphill climb and will be sitting most nights unless there's an injury.
FWIW, Nader was a decent 3 point shooter in the D League where he won D League Rookie of the Year and made the All D-League 2nd Team. He averged just shy of 4 apg there.
Obviously this is just the D-League but he had a pretty complete game there.
Here are some other stats from some of our past D-League rookies:
Terry Rozier
19.4 PTS., 8 AST. 6.4 REB, 1.9 STL, 2.7 TO, 33 MIN, 39% FG, 34% 3PT, 78% FT
RJ Hunter
18.1 PTS, 3.3 AST, 2.6 REB, 1.0 STL, 2.0 TO, 31 MIN, 39% FG, 32% 3PT, 7% FT
Jordan Mickey
17.4 PTS, 1.3 AST, 10.3 REB, 4.4 BLK, 2.1 TO, 53% FG, 35% 3PT, 74% FT
James Young
21.5 PTS, 2.0 AST, 4.8 REB, 1.5 STL, 2.6 TO, 33 MIN, 46% FG, 44% 3PT, 76% FT
Phil Pressey only played one D-League game as a rookie, finished wih 34 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds and 3 steals.
Just saying...if you want to even dream of cracking an NBA roster, then putting up dominant numbers at the D-League level is pretty much a bare minimum prerequisite.
Even dominating at the Summer League means more to me then D-League. Phil Pressey was never capable fo putting up anything close to 33 / 8 / 7 in a summer league game, and James young could never come close to averaging 21 PPG in the Summer League either.
Totally. But at least he's done that and showed he has some skills. It's not like he's on the roster for no reason.
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Theis is like a lite version of Ginobili
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Theis is like a lite version of Ginobili
lol what?
Ginobili was a dynamic offensive player who could score in a variety of ways and was capable of being, essentially, the back up PG for the Spurs because his ballhandling was so good.
Theis seems like a defense-first bruiser of a PF who plays smart and opportunistic on offense.
I really don't get this comparison at all.
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Theis is like a lite version of Ginobili
lol what?
Ginobili was a dynamic offensive player who could score in a variety of ways and was capable of being, essentially, the back up PG for the Spurs because his ballhandling was so good.
Theis seems like a defense-first bruiser of a PF who plays smart and opportunistic on offense.
I really don't get this comparison at all.
whoops, I thought we were still talking about Nader. my bad... This might be a def bruiser. Lets hope so.
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Sorry, but this kid is a scrub. This definitely isn't the D-League and he looks sorry even vs the 3rd stringers of the Sixers.
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He has a decent first game because he took every shot he could. I concur, the Peter Principle in full display here, Nader is a but a D league guy. I thought so during summer league and seeing him tonight struggle to stay in front of third string sixers is not heartening.
I have a new guy to cringe when he touches the ball. Nader aka "Lead-Killer"
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did i see Nader and ojeleye as two top scorers-some nice cuts and finishes by Nader and a fade away teardrop-
This is what they had him doing all last season and summer league-he had no previous history in college of being a gunner-James Young and Rj failed miserably
All season long with Red claws they had him shooting threes and taking it to hoop or kick
Doing fine for drafted at 56 and a end of bench guy in his rookie year.Only his first game at Boston Garden-
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I think the nader hate has gotten a bit out of hand. Nader is a decent player on offense
averaging 9 point / 2-3 rebounds a game over 16 min per game through the preseason so far. yeah he had a bad game in the 2nd preseason game, developing players have bad games sometimes. I have no idea how many minutes he will get going forward, probably depends on how well he can develop his defense. But calling him a lead killer and a ball hog and a complete scrub based on 3 pre-season games? Cmon guys. Last night 15 points from 11 shots in 21 minutes.
I am not saying he is going to get big minutes this year, but he is showing signs of being a productive player.
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Nader looked good game one, awful game 2, and from what I have read, decent in game 3 (did not get to see it, not on NBA TV).
Not worthy of a separate thread discussion IMO.
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
As for Semi, I'm not sure what he does that's well at an NBA level. I know he can shoot a little bit when he's wide open and his feet are set, but he lacks a motor, has zero ballhandling, and doesn't rebound. I also think he's also an average athlete. I know the combine stats say otherwise, but athleticism isn't a strength.
There really isn't much to either player. Dime a dozen type talent levels that I will be completely shocked if they see the end of their current deals.
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I thought last game he excelled cutting to the Basket. He is not a natural one on one player and should avoid that but I did not mind him as a cutter.
My problem is more with him on D, he does not seem able to stay in front of a NBA player with any consistency. His foot speed is not elite and he looks poor on D.
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
As for Semi, I'm not sure what he does that's well at an NBA level. I know he can shoot a little bit when he's wide open and his feet are set, but he lacks a motor, has zero ballhandling, and doesn't rebound. I also think he's also an average athlete. I know the combine stats say otherwise, but athleticism isn't a strength.
There really isn't much to either player. Dime a dozen type talent levels that I will be completely shocked if they see the end of their current deals.
Eddie -you know better than Brad who loves his defense, you keep saying no motor and a average athlete-from in front of your TV you make judgments you can't substantiate
Our guys outplayed the number 1 picks
Did you see Fultz take a foul shot-did you see Simmons or Fultz take a outside shot
i'd like to know your creds are except to take cheap shots at guys that get the most with what they got-
I used to go to the Boston Marathon not to cheer the winners but the runners who didn't quit,that weren't blessed with the body but had the will to complete. Some limping,some waddling in a pear shape bodies or painfully thin and in recovery,some so exhausted it was one foot after another or being propped up-faces etched in pain,nobody but a few cheering friends or family there at the finish-i was there out of respect-something you don't have
Brad mentioned how hard Nader and Semmi work-have you no shame or courage-
and don't presume to contact me again on my message board
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
As for Semi, I'm not sure what he does that's well at an NBA level. I know he can shoot a little bit when he's wide open and his feet are set, but he lacks a motor, has zero ballhandling, and doesn't rebound. I also think he's also an average athlete. I know the combine stats say otherwise, but athleticism isn't a strength.
There really isn't much to either player. Dime a dozen type talent levels that I will be completely shocked if they see the end of their current deals.
Eddie -you know better than Brad who loves his defense, you keep saying no motor and a average athlete-from in front of your TV you make judgments you can't substantiate
Our guys outplayed the number 1 picks
Did you see Fultz take a foul shot-did you see Simmons or Fultz take a outside shot
i'd like to know your creds are except to take cheap shots at guys that get the most with what they got-
I used to go to the Boston Marathon not to cheer the winners but the runners who didn't quit,that weren't blessed with the body but had the will to complete. Some limping,some waddling in a pear shape bodies or painfully thin and in recovery,some so exhausted it was one foot after another or being propped up-faces etched in pain,nobody but a few cheering friends or family there at the finish-i was there out of respect-something you don't have
Brad mentioned how hard Nader and Semmi work-have you no shame or courage-
and don't presume to contact me again on my message board
Wait, what?
Rollie, you simply don't appear to be a very lucid or rational individual with the bolded comments above simply because I'm critical of below average NBA players. So what are the ground rules, so I and others know what we're dealing with? Am I okay to critique other players or is it just these 2 that draws your ire?
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
I don't get why you keep pounding on Nader being "shoot first" and "a black hole". Are you only going by the tiny less-than-50-minute sample of pre-season here?
The kid averaged just a hair under 4 assists per game in 33.5 mpg in the D-League in a far-more-significant 1332 minutes of play. For a scoring-forward, that's a pretty healthy assist number. Sure, the level of competition is less, but that doesn't change the fact that he clearly passed the ball to others at a healthy rate for a small foward.
In the D-League playoffs, he played another 192.8 minutes and dished out assists at an even much higher rate, 4.6 assists on 38.5 mpg. Overall, for both the regular season and playoffs, he had an AST% of over 20%. That's a very good number for someone who isn't a point-guard.
I am guessing that 1500+ minutes is a better representation of what his overall play-style is than the tiny handful of minutes he's played in the pre-season so far is.
Just for stylistic comparison, Paul Pierce, who was an excellent facilitator for a scoring forward, averaged 3.5 assists on 34.2 mpg for his career (an AST% rate of 18.7%).
It's certainly fair to wonder if Nader's overall talent is good enough to get him any minutes on a roster with this much wing depth. But I think your particular criticism of him as a "shoot first / never pass" guy is very odd, not particularly relevant (he's a scoring forward, not a point guard) and not particularly well supported by the most recent large sample of his play style.
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I thought last game he excelled cutting to the Basket. He is not a natural one on one player and should avoid that but I did not mind him as a cutter.
My problem is more with him on D, he does not seem able to stay in front of a NBA player with any consistency. His foot speed is not elite and he looks poor on D.
LaVar Ball agrees with this.
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
I don't get why you keep pounding on Nader being "shoot first" and "a black hole". Are you only going by the tiny less-than-50-minute sample of pre-season here?
The kid averaged just a hair under 4 assists per game in 33.5 mpg in the D-League in a far-more-significant 1332 minutes of play. For a scoring-forward, that's a pretty healthy assist number. Sure, the level of competition is less, but that doesn't change the fact that he clearly passed the ball to others at a healthy rate for a small foward.
In the D-League playoffs, he played another 192.8 minutes and dished out assists at an even much higher rate, 4.6 assists on 38.5 mpg. Overall, for both the regular season and playoffs, he had an AST% of over 20%. That's a very good number for someone who isn't a point-guard.
I am guessing that 1500+ minutes is a better representation of what his overall play-style is than the tiny handful of minutes he's played in the pre-season so far is.
Just for stylistic comparison, Paul Pierce, who was an excellent facilitator for a scoring forward, averaged 3.5 assists on 34.2 mpg for his career (an AST% rate of 18.7%).
It's certainly fair to wonder if Nader's overall talent is good enough to get him any minutes on a roster with this much wing depth. But I think your particular criticism of him as a "shoot first / never pass" guy is very odd, not particularly relevant (he's a scoring forward, not a point guard) and not particularly well supported by the most recent large sample of his play style.
I place very little emphasis in the D-League as evidenced by Vander Blue being league MVP and Fab Melo having double digit blocks in a few games. I base my opinion on what I see this pre-season and during the past 2 summer leagues.
That said, I like to see a player perform at this level and play effectively within the scope of the offense. This means sharing the ball, driving and kicking, etc. This does not mean shooting the ball every time it's swung your way. Especially for a marginal talent like Nader.
This pre-season:
Player - Minutes - Field Goal Attempts - Assists
Nader 50 - 25 - 3
Baynes 42 - 13 - 4
Brown 63 - 28 - 5
Hayward 40 -15 - 6
Irving 44 - 25 - 6
Horford 35 - 14 - 7
Larkin 42 - 18 - 5
Ojeleye 63 - 18 - 0
Rozier 61 - 22 -10
Smart 51 - 22 - 6
Tatum 78 - 26 - 7
Theis 49 - 20 - 4
Yabusele 52 - 13 - 0
So in a per-minute basis Nader is shooting more than every player on our team except for Irving and averaging more assists than only Semi and Yabu, 2 players that aren't good ballhandlers or handle the ball much.
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I'm with Eddie on this one. "To Me" Nader is definitely an end of the bench person. I'd even stick him back in the G league until he learns to play unselfishly. He was ball dominant in Maine last year as well. His problem is he thinks he's better than he really is and it annoys the heck out of me that he wants to be 'the man' so bad that he just can't bring himself to make the right play when he has the ball. He reminds me of Randle in LA...superstars in their own minds! With that being said, he is active on O and instead of running to a corner like Jimmy used to do and hanging out till the ball comes his way, he's constantly in motion. His D is way below average. Hopefully he'll only see the floor in garbage time.
FWIW he is the only one on this roster I have a negative opinion on.
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WE NEED versatility and an aggressive offense minded player like Nader has a place on this roster I remember when posters blamed KO for being too tentative.
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
I don't get why you keep pounding on Nader being "shoot first" and "a black hole". Are you only going by the tiny less-than-50-minute sample of pre-season here?
The kid averaged just a hair under 4 assists per game in 33.5 mpg in the D-League in a far-more-significant 1332 minutes of play. For a scoring-forward, that's a pretty healthy assist number. Sure, the level of competition is less, but that doesn't change the fact that he clearly passed the ball to others at a healthy rate for a small foward.
In the D-League playoffs, he played another 192.8 minutes and dished out assists at an even much higher rate, 4.6 assists on 38.5 mpg. Overall, for both the regular season and playoffs, he had an AST% of over 20%. That's a very good number for someone who isn't a point-guard.
I am guessing that 1500+ minutes is a better representation of what his overall play-style is than the tiny handful of minutes he's played in the pre-season so far is.
Just for stylistic comparison, Paul Pierce, who was an excellent facilitator for a scoring forward, averaged 3.5 assists on 34.2 mpg for his career (an AST% rate of 18.7%).
It's certainly fair to wonder if Nader's overall talent is good enough to get him any minutes on a roster with this much wing depth. But I think your particular criticism of him as a "shoot first / never pass" guy is very odd, not particularly relevant (he's a scoring forward, not a point guard) and not particularly well supported by the most recent large sample of his play style.
I place very little emphasis in the D-League as evidenced by Vander Blue being league MVP and Fab Melo having double digit blocks in a few games. I base my opinion on what I see this pre-season and during the past 2 summer leagues.
That said, I like to see a player perform at this level and play effectively within the scope of the offense. This means sharing the ball, driving and kicking, etc. This does not mean shooting the ball every time it's swung your way. Especially for a marginal talent like Nader.
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So, basically, you believe a tiny sample of 50 minutes (where he is clearly playing a role lower on the totem pole and under specific constraints on what he is supposed to do) is more indicative of the style of player he is than 1500 minutes (of him playing a more prominent role with more control over what he did on the floor)? Logical.
Dismiss the level of competition of the D-League all you want (though why you would put _any_ more weight on the Summer League defies logic), how does that account for the stylistic point?
Again, I'm not going to make out Nader to be a rotation level NBA player. I just think you have latched onto a particular criticism that is not really founded in anything but cherry picking and confirmation bias.
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
I don't get why you keep pounding on Nader being "shoot first" and "a black hole". Are you only going by the tiny less-than-50-minute sample of pre-season here?
The kid averaged just a hair under 4 assists per game in 33.5 mpg in the D-League in a far-more-significant 1332 minutes of play. For a scoring-forward, that's a pretty healthy assist number. Sure, the level of competition is less, but that doesn't change the fact that he clearly passed the ball to others at a healthy rate for a small foward.
In the D-League playoffs, he played another 192.8 minutes and dished out assists at an even much higher rate, 4.6 assists on 38.5 mpg. Overall, for both the regular season and playoffs, he had an AST% of over 20%. That's a very good number for someone who isn't a point-guard.
I am guessing that 1500+ minutes is a better representation of what his overall play-style is than the tiny handful of minutes he's played in the pre-season so far is.
Just for stylistic comparison, Paul Pierce, who was an excellent facilitator for a scoring forward, averaged 3.5 assists on 34.2 mpg for his career (an AST% rate of 18.7%).
It's certainly fair to wonder if Nader's overall talent is good enough to get him any minutes on a roster with this much wing depth. But I think your particular criticism of him as a "shoot first / never pass" guy is very odd, not particularly relevant (he's a scoring forward, not a point guard) and not particularly well supported by the most recent large sample of his play style.
I place very little emphasis in the D-League as evidenced by Vander Blue being league MVP and Fab Melo having double digit blocks in a few games. I base my opinion on what I see this pre-season and during the past 2 summer leagues.
That said, I like to see a player perform at this level and play effectively within the scope of the offense. This means sharing the ball, driving and kicking, etc. This does not mean shooting the ball every time it's swung your way. Especially for a marginal talent like Nader.
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So, basically, you believe a tiny sample of 50 minutes (where he is clearly playing a role lower on the totem pole and under specific constraints on what he is supposed to do) is more indicative of the style of player he is than 1500 minutes (of him playing a more prominent role with more control over what he did on the floor)? Logical.
Dismiss the level of competition of the D-League all you want (though why you would put _any_ more weight on the Summer League defies logic), how does that account for the stylistic point?
Again, I'm not going to make out Nader to be a rotation level NBA player. I just think you have latched onto a particular criticism that is not really founded in anything but cherry picking and confirmation bias.
Of course its logical because in the D-League he handled the ball the majority of the time/facilitied offense and didn't have to play off teammates. It's different in the NBA where he actually has to adapt to a team and have a specific role while going up against the best players in the world. Just like Rozier was able to excel playing the PG in the D-League, but doesn't have the court vision or passing skills to play the position at the NBA level.
Yes, the talent in summer league is better than that in D-League. You have players sprinkled in throughout the majority of teams that will never sniff a minute of D-League. So while Nader can be the man in the D-League, he had to pay off of Rozier and Brown last year, and Brown and Tatum this season.
Is your argument that your dismissive of what you've seen so far in the preseason and Nader doesn't shoot a lot? If that's the case then so be it. The board is going in a really weird direction with the constant threads overrating some of the worst players in the league, case in point is the one discussing Semi vs Tatum.
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As for Semi, I'm not sure what he does that's well at an NBA level. I know he can shoot a little bit when he's wide open and his feet are set, but he lacks a motor, has zero ballhandling, and doesn't rebound. I also think he's also an average athlete. I know the combine stats say otherwise, but athleticism isn't a strength.
There really isn't much to either player. Dime a dozen type talent levels that I will be completely shocked if they see the end of their current deals.
So you don't believe that the ability to defend and shoot qualify as NBA skills. Interesting.
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As for Semi, I'm not sure what he does that's well at an NBA level. I know he can shoot a little bit when he's wide open and his feet are set, but he lacks a motor, has zero ballhandling, and doesn't rebound. I also think he's also an average athlete. I know the combine stats say otherwise, but athleticism isn't a strength.
There really isn't much to either player. Dime a dozen type talent levels that I will be completely shocked if they see the end of their current deals.
So you don't believe that the ability to defend and shoot qualify as NBA skills. Interesting.
He can shoot wide open 3's with his feet set, but would you be willing to say he's an above average NBA shooter? Just like his defense. I mean it's not bad, but is it really above average?
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As for Semi, I'm not sure what he does that's well at an NBA level. I know he can shoot a little bit when he's wide open and his feet are set, but he lacks a motor, has zero ballhandling, and doesn't rebound. I also think he's also an average athlete. I know the combine stats say otherwise, but athleticism isn't a strength.
There really isn't much to either player. Dime a dozen type talent levels that I will be completely shocked if they see the end of their current deals.
So you don't believe that the ability to defend and shoot qualify as NBA skills. Interesting.
He can shoot wide open 3's with his feet set, but would you be willing to say he's an above average NBA shooter? Just like his defense. I mean it's not bad, but is it really above average?
I'm not sure, but given that Jaylen Brown's offensive opportunities during his rookie year were limited to spot up shooting, as well as transition opportunities, obviously, and posting up - which Semi can also do, btw - I'd like to think that he'd perform well - and who knows, perhaps even better than Brown - given that shooting is one of Ojeleye's strengths. As it's been noted on here in the past, the guy was the best pick-and-pop player in the country last year, but more than that, he had probably a top five midrange game in his class, as well, (the only players with a better percentage from that distance, I believe, were Markelle Fultz, at 43.8, and Antonius Cleveland, at an absurd 45.8 clip), making 41.2 percent of his attempts from that range, so it's not like he's just a stand alone three point shooter like Danny Green, and in terms of his defense it looks like he can play right away and guard a host of different players, which is probably the only way that he'll get on the court for this team, if he does, at all. I just hope that if that turns out to be the case that they don't simply relegate him to standing at the 3 point line, as that would take away from his post game and the ability to get to the line, both of which would be welcome additions to our otherwise perimeter attack, but we'll see what happens.
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I don't like Nader's game. The guy is a shoot first player that thinks pass as a mere afterthought. It's hard to get excited about him when you consider he's also weak defensively, relatively old, and average athletically.
I don't get why you keep pounding on Nader being "shoot first" and "a black hole". Are you only going by the tiny less-than-50-minute sample of pre-season here?
The kid averaged just a hair under 4 assists per game in 33.5 mpg in the D-League in a far-more-significant 1332 minutes of play. For a scoring-forward, that's a pretty healthy assist number. Sure, the level of competition is less, but that doesn't change the fact that he clearly passed the ball to others at a healthy rate for a small foward.
In the D-League playoffs, he played another 192.8 minutes and dished out assists at an even much higher rate, 4.6 assists on 38.5 mpg. Overall, for both the regular season and playoffs, he had an AST% of over 20%. That's a very good number for someone who isn't a point-guard.
I am guessing that 1500+ minutes is a better representation of what his overall play-style is than the tiny handful of minutes he's played in the pre-season so far is.
Just for stylistic comparison, Paul Pierce, who was an excellent facilitator for a scoring forward, averaged 3.5 assists on 34.2 mpg for his career (an AST% rate of 18.7%).
It's certainly fair to wonder if Nader's overall talent is good enough to get him any minutes on a roster with this much wing depth. But I think your particular criticism of him as a "shoot first / never pass" guy is very odd, not particularly relevant (he's a scoring forward, not a point guard) and not particularly well supported by the most recent large sample of his play style.
I place very little emphasis in the D-League as evidenced by Vander Blue being league MVP and Fab Melo having double digit blocks in a few games. I base my opinion on what I see this pre-season and during the past 2 summer leagues.
That said, I like to see a player perform at this level and play effectively within the scope of the offense. This means sharing the ball, driving and kicking, etc. This does not mean shooting the ball every time it's swung your way. Especially for a marginal talent like Nader.
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So, basically, you believe a tiny sample of 50 minutes (where he is clearly playing a role lower on the totem pole and under specific constraints on what he is supposed to do) is more indicative of the style of player he is than 1500 minutes (of him playing a more prominent role with more control over what he did on the floor)? Logical.
Dismiss the level of competition of the D-League all you want (though why you would put _any_ more weight on the Summer League defies logic), how does that account for the stylistic point?
Again, I'm not going to make out Nader to be a rotation level NBA player. I just think you have latched onto a particular criticism that is not really founded in anything but cherry picking and confirmation bias.
Of course its logical because in the D-League he handled the ball the majority of the time/facilitied offense and didn't have to play off teammates. It's different in the NBA where he actually has to adapt to a team and have a specific role while going up against the best players in the world. Just like Rozier was able to excel playing the PG in the D-League, but doesn't have the court vision or passing skills to play the position at the NBA level.
Yes, the talent in summer league is better than that in D-League. You have players sprinkled in throughout the majority of teams that will never sniff a minute of D-League. So while Nader can be the man in the D-League, he had to pay off of Rozier and Brown last year, and Brown and Tatum this season.
Um... no. It isn't. SL is populated mainly by guys fresh out of college and 1 or 2-year vets looking to land jobs in the D-League. And it's rules format and schedule results in a level of play that is barely above street-ball. Over a tiny handful of games with players shuttled in almost randomly just to get a look at them on the floor. Giving that more significance than an entire season of organized, coached competition using actual NBA rules and involving essentially the same level of players plus some older, more experienced ones is silly.
How he played in Maine was based on how the coaches (who coach the Celtics system) wanted him to utilize his talents there. And he definitively showed himself to be a willing passer there.
Is your argument that your dismissive of what you've seen so far in the preseason and Nader doesn't shoot a lot? If that's the case then so be it. The board is going in a really weird direction with the constant threads overrating some of the worst players in the league, case in point is the one discussing Semi vs Tatum.
Whatever "this board" may be doing, I'm not overrating anyone. Nowhere have I stated anything about how great Nader or any of the players are based on pre-season. Nor have I ever stated "Nader doesn't shoot a lot". I'm pointing out that this particular characterization that YOU have gotten hung up on (that he is all "shoot first" and never passes) is not really supported by any rational basis, if one actually looks in detail at the player in a decent sample size.
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Yes, the talent in summer league is better than that in D-League. You have players sprinkled in throughout the majority of teams that will never sniff a minute of D-League. So while Nader can be the man in the D-League, he had to pay off of Rozier and Brown last year, and Brown and Tatum this season.
Um... no. It isn't. SL is populated mainly by guys fresh out of college and 1 or 2-year vets looking to land jobs in the D-League. And it's rules format and schedule results in a level of play that is barely above street-ball. Over a tiny handful of games with players shuttled in almost randomly just to get a look at them on the floor. Giving that more significance than an entire season of organized, coached competition using actual NBA rules and involving essentially the same level of players plus some older, more experienced ones is silly.
How he played in Maine was based on how the coaches (who coach the Celtics system) wanted him to utilize his talents there. And he definitively showed himself to be a willing passer there.
I'm not sure that I agree, here. At least in the summer league most of the top picks play, whereas in the now G-League isn't it kind of the best of the rest, so to speak? That's not to say that there aren't talented players in the G-League during the NBA regular season, but I don't believe that the talent pool, if you will, is nearly the same, but I'm probably wrong :-\.
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Yes, the talent in summer league is better than that in D-League. You have players sprinkled in throughout the majority of teams that will never sniff a minute of D-League. So while Nader can be the man in the D-League, he had to pay off of Rozier and Brown last year, and Brown and Tatum this season.
Um... no. It isn't. SL is populated mainly by guys fresh out of college and 1 or 2-year vets looking to land jobs in the D-League. And it's rules format and schedule results in a level of play that is barely above street-ball. Over a tiny handful of games with players shuttled in almost randomly just to get a look at them on the floor. Giving that more significance than an entire season of organized, coached competition using actual NBA rules and involving essentially the same level of players plus some older, more experienced ones is silly.
How he played in Maine was based on how the coaches (who coach the Celtics system) wanted him to utilize his talents there. And he definitively showed himself to be a willing passer there.
I'm not sure that I agree, here. At least in the summer league most of the top picks play, whereas in the now G-League isn't it kind of the best of the rest, so to speak? That's not to say that there aren't talented players in the G-League during the NBA regular season, but I don't believe that the talent pool, if you will, is nearly the same, but I'm probably wrong :-\.
The upside of the very top talent is less in the G-League than in SL, but the level of experience and physical maturity of the players in the GL is much higher. Plus the simple fact that they are practicing and training as a real team in a real system for a full season rather than simply thrown out into a street ball shuffle intended to demo them as individuals significantly raises the overall level of play. Obviously nowhere near the level of the NBA. But far higher than Summer League.
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
"Abdul?"
"Yes?"
"We need you to shoot the ball and drive to the hoop...ok?"
"Yes, sir."
He, like many other NBA players, has offensive talent. Thus, the team, who has spent a draft pick and a development year on the player, has concluded their investment will be returned on threes and drives to the hoop.
Watch the highlights, that is what he does.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
The guy is going to get what? 7 MPG? Ten guys will get more minutes than Abdul Nader.
"Our tenth guy shoots too much."
"Yea, but, they go in too..."
"You gotta point there."
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WE NEED versatility and an aggressive offense minded player like Nader has a place on this roster I remember when posters blamed KO for being too tentative.
Exactly I agree
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As for Semi, I'm not sure what he does that's well at an NBA level. I know he can shoot a little bit when he's wide open and his feet are set, but he lacks a motor, has zero ballhandling, and doesn't rebound. I also think he's also an average athlete. I know the combine stats say otherwise, but athleticism isn't a strength.
There really isn't much to either player. Dime a dozen type talent levels that I will be completely shocked if they see the end of their current deals.
So you don't believe that the ability to defend and shoot qualify as NBA skills. Interesting.
He can shoot wide open 3's with his feet set, but would you be willing to say he's an above average NBA shooter? Just like his defense. I mean it's not bad, but is it really above average?
I get the feeling if Semi is indeed in front of Yabu (which I think he probably is), it will be interesting to see how he fares when he gets switched onto smaller ball-handlers. That will probably be the litmus test for his defense. One of Draymond's biggest strengths is being able to stay in front of smaller guys attacking him on a rotation.
I think by now we can safely say his 3-point shooting will be above average, but as you mention, the key is seeing him do it with less time in NBA (before Iguodala or Paul George comes to close out). His ball-handling is a problem. Olynyk actually did quite well pump-faking the three and then attacking the hole in the D - not sure Semi could do with anywhere near KO's skills.
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
This is absurd. You mean to tell me that the coaches are basically trashing our system so when Nader comes in. All the plays stop and it is green light Nader time? That is a good one, thanks for the laugh.
He is playing that way to ensure he makes the team to impress people. Funny though, you rarely here Ainge or CBS dote on his preseason play.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
Let's see how much he plays in the regular season. The addition is over.
I think Bird was better than him as times in Summer League. His problem right now is he is forcing it.
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Gorman stressed he is a tough kid and did exceptionally well with minutes given
This was also mirrored by scal after he took the ball into Okafor and switched hands for score,his cuts were also praised-
Quite an accomplishment making this squad after being drafted so low.
The guy can shoot and score at rim he only had one bad shooting game.
He is a back bench rookie -lighten up.
If he is a black hole or ball hog Brad wouldn't hesitate to stop that.He hit an array of shots,a fall away tear drop ,corner and wing threes, scored on hard cuts and in contact switched hands or using euro step to left hand-.
Nader gives hope to G league players and guys that put in effort
I would love his front row seat tonight and at the home opener tomorrow.
Exciting times for rookies.
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
This is absurd. You mean to tell me that the coaches are basically trashing our system so when Nader comes in. All the plays stop and it is green light Nader time? That is a good one, thanks for the laugh.
He is playing that way to ensure he makes the team to impress people. Funny though, you rarely here Ainge or CBS dote on his preseason play.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
Let's see how much he plays in the regular season. The addition is over.
I think Bird was better than him as times in Summer League. His problem right now is he is forcing it.
This constant Nader hype is like we're trapped in the twilight zone. It's almost as if he didn't just shoot 36% from the field, 23% from 3pt line, and averaged more turnovers (1.6) than assists (1.2) during the preseason. His hype man is going to be sure to disagree with that and spew some nonsense, perhaps even comparing him to an Egyptian based weapon.
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
This is absurd. You mean to tell me that the coaches are basically trashing our system so when Nader comes in. All the plays stop and it is green light Nader time? That is a good one, thanks for the laugh.
He is playing that way to ensure he makes the team to impress people. Funny though, you rarely here Ainge or CBS dote on his preseason play.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
Let's see how much he plays in the regular season. The addition is over.
I think Bird was better than him as times in Summer League. His problem right now is he is forcing it.
This constant Nader hype is like we're trapped in the twilight zone. It's almost as if he didn't just shoot 36% from the field, 23% from 3pt line, and averaged more turnovers (1.6) than assists (1.2) during the preseason. His hype man is going to be sure to disagree with that and spew some nonsense, perhaps even comparing him to an Egyptian based weapon.
But the array was impressive. In other words he has never met a shot he didn’t like.
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
This is absurd. You mean to tell me that the coaches are basically trashing our system so when Nader comes in. All the plays stop and it is green light Nader time? That is a good one, thanks for the laugh.
He is playing that way to ensure he makes the team to impress people. Funny though, you rarely here Ainge or CBS dote on his preseason play.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
Let's see how much he plays in the regular season. The addition is over.
I think Bird was better than him as times in Summer League. His problem right now is he is forcing it.
This constant Nader hype is like we're trapped in the twilight zone. It's almost as if he didn't just shoot 36% from the field, 23% from 3pt line, and averaged more turnovers (1.6) than assists (1.2) during the preseason. His hype man is going to be sure to disagree with that and spew some nonsense, perhaps even comparing him to an Egyptian based weapon.
But the array was impressive. In other words he has never met a shot he didn’t like.
Nader shot from three 1-2 500% 1-3 .333% and as i said one bad game 0-3 .000% AND 1-2 500%
Field goals .667% 445% the bad game .125% .667%
So he had ONE bad game where he went 1-11 not to be repeated-
I quoted two authorities as a response to a post that Brad and Ainge don't mention Nader -well he is a back bench rookie that has beaten the odds and inspirational for g leaguers and basketball in egypt
Why are you so quick to jump in and malign a hard working rookie from back of bench.
What are your creds ,did you ever play basketball or are you some board vigilante/critic.
Unlike Young, Nader has improved every year,gave up money to stay close in Celtics system and puts effort into improving his defense.
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It seems i now have a vigilante stalker in Eddie house 20, who doesn't approve of my exuberance and appraisal of the celtics role players.He has sent messages to MY MESSAGES When he was asked not to.
He has gone back to posts in zellers first year where he was knocking down 16 footers like foul shots and his pick and roll with his flip hooks was deadly-he regressed and regressed but had a good first year
then years ago we had Brandon wright for only a couple of games this guy was 6-10 had 35 inch vertical and 7-5 wingspan-we had sully and Kelly
this guy went back years in an attempt to intimidate and threaten my style of posting.
Now he got it in for Nader who i claim to be better than young and a back bench rookie.He would not dare malign a player except from behind a computer.
Gerald green -he didn't like my calling him a stilletto for Brad to use
He objects to positive posts about our subs or new acquisitions.
I was entertained by Gigi and he at least could shoot-these are posts he brought back
Jerebko regressed from his 2nd half of 2016/15 and had a facial injury-i thought his 3 point shot would be at 40%like the previous year and he bought a house with court inside it
.I am positive till players drop off and don't produce.
EDDIE HOUSE BOARD STALKER a vigilante that loves to take down our players.
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
This is absurd. You mean to tell me that the coaches are basically trashing our system so when Nader comes in. All the plays stop and it is green light Nader time? That is a good one, thanks for the laugh.
He is playing that way to ensure he makes the team to impress people. Funny though, you rarely here Ainge or CBS dote on his preseason play.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
Let's see how much he plays in the regular season. The addition is over.
I think Bird was better than him as times in Summer League. His problem right now is he is forcing it.
This constant Nader hype is like we're trapped in the twilight zone. It's almost as if he didn't just shoot 36% from the field, 23% from 3pt line, and averaged more turnovers (1.6) than assists (1.2) during the preseason. His hype man is going to be sure to disagree with that and spew some nonsense, perhaps even comparing him to an Egyptian based weapon.
You might want to correct your inaccurate statistics. You can find the official ones here:
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Abdel-Nader/Summary/31320
Making sweeping judgments from exceptionally limited play time in preseason (a whopping 56 minutes) seems rather hasty, doesn't it? Nader had one absolutely dreadful game at Philly. He was AWFUL. 1-8, 3 TOs. The other 3 games were much better.
4-6, 4 rebounds, 10 points in 11 minutes.
5-11, 2 rebounds, 15 points in 21 minutes.
2-3, 1 rebounds, 5 points in 8 minutes.
If much of anything can be gleaned from this, it's that he contributed well in 3 of 4 games. Would anyone expect perfect consistency from a D-Leaguer with no NBA games under his belt?
The sample size is far too small to make much of an impression. But I'm not about to dump all over someone's enthusiasm because of one bad game. Nader is longest of longshots. A transfer to an unexciting Iowa State team who was only 3rd on his team in scoring. A guy who was so obscure that no one had any film on him when he was drafted with the 3rd to last pick in the 2nd round. A guy who, despite the odds, somehow beats out guys drafted much higher than he was to warrant consideration of a roster spot. A guy who goes to the D-League with no great expectations and somehow winds up the MVP of that league. And finally a guy who comes back and makes a NBA Championship contending team.
Nader has far surpassed any reasonable expectations. Given that track record, I'm not about to say what he can or cannot accomplish. I don't think it's wise for anyone else to think they can do so either.
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
This is absurd. You mean to tell me that the coaches are basically trashing our system so when Nader comes in. All the plays stop and it is green light Nader time? That is a good one, thanks for the laugh.
He is playing that way to ensure he makes the team to impress people. Funny though, you rarely here Ainge or CBS dote on his preseason play.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
Let's see how much he plays in the regular season. The addition is over.
I think Bird was better than him as times in Summer League. His problem right now is he is forcing it.
This constant Nader hype is like we're trapped in the twilight zone. It's almost as if he didn't just shoot 36% from the field, 23% from 3pt line, and averaged more turnovers (1.6) than assists (1.2) during the preseason. His hype man is going to be sure to disagree with that and spew some nonsense, perhaps even comparing him to an Egyptian based weapon.
You might want to correct your inaccurate statistics. You can find the official ones here:
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Abdel-Nader/Summary/31320
Making sweeping judgments from exceptionally limited play time in preseason (a whopping 56 minutes) seems rather hasty, doesn't it? Nader had one absolutely dreadful game at Philly. He was AWFUL. 1-8, 3 TOs. The other 3 games were much better.
4-6, 4 rebounds, 10 points in 11 minutes.
5-11, 2 rebounds, 15 points in 21 minutes.
2-3, 1 rebounds, 5 points in 8 minutes.
If much of anything can be gleaned from this, it's that he contributed well in 3 of 4 games. Would anyone expect perfect consistency from a D-Leaguer with no NBA games under his belt?
The sample size is far too small to make much of an impression. But I'm not about to dump all over someone's enthusiasm because of one bad game. Nader is longest of longshots. A transfer to an unexciting Iowa State team who was only 3rd on his team in scoring. A guy who was so obscure that no one had any film on him when he was drafted with the 3rd to last pick in the 2nd round. A guy who, despite the odds, somehow beats out guys drafted much higher than he was to warrant consideration of a roster spot. A guy who goes to the D-League with no great expectations and somehow winds up the MVP of that league. And finally a guy who comes back and makes a NBA Championship contending team.
Nader has far surpassed any reasonable expectations. Given that track record, I'm not about to say what he can or cannot accomplish. I don't think it's wise for anyone else to think they can do so either.
Went off this-
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/abdel-nader-player-stats?seasonType=3
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Nader is coached to execute in this fashion. His employers want him to exploit scoring opportunities at a high rate.
This is absurd. You mean to tell me that the coaches are basically trashing our system so when Nader comes in. All the plays stop and it is green light Nader time? That is a good one, thanks for the laugh.
He is playing that way to ensure he makes the team to impress people. Funny though, you rarely here Ainge or CBS dote on his preseason play.
Nader isn't some "rogue ball hog" he is playing his hand with the blessings of the coaching staff.
Let's see how much he plays in the regular season. The addition is over.
I think Bird was better than him as times in Summer League. His problem right now is he is forcing it.
This constant Nader hype is like we're trapped in the twilight zone. It's almost as if he didn't just shoot 36% from the field, 23% from 3pt line, and averaged more turnovers (1.6) than assists (1.2) during the preseason. His hype man is going to be sure to disagree with that and spew some nonsense, perhaps even comparing him to an Egyptian based weapon.
You might want to correct your inaccurate statistics. You can find the official ones here:
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Abdel-Nader/Summary/31320
Making sweeping judgments from exceptionally limited play time in preseason (a whopping 56 minutes) seems rather hasty, doesn't it? Nader had one absolutely dreadful game at Philly. He was AWFUL. 1-8, 3 TOs. The other 3 games were much better.
4-6, 4 rebounds, 10 points in 11 minutes.
5-11, 2 rebounds, 15 points in 21 minutes.
2-3, 1 rebounds, 5 points in 8 minutes.
If much of anything can be gleaned from this, it's that he contributed well in 3 of 4 games. Would anyone expect perfect consistency from a D-Leaguer with no NBA games under his belt?
The sample size is far too small to make much of an impression. But I'm not about to dump all over someone's enthusiasm because of one bad game. Nader is longest of longshots. A transfer to an unexciting Iowa State team who was only 3rd on his team in scoring. A guy who was so obscure that no one had any film on him when he was drafted with the 3rd to last pick in the 2nd round. A guy who, despite the odds, somehow beats out guys drafted much higher than he was to warrant consideration of a roster spot. A guy who goes to the D-League with no great expectations and somehow winds up the MVP of that league. And finally a guy who comes back and makes a NBA Championship contending team.
Nader has far surpassed any reasonable expectations. Given that track record, I'm not about to say what he can or cannot accomplish. I don't think it's wise for anyone else to think they can do so either.
Went off this-
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/abdel-nader-player-stats?seasonType=3
The Celtics only played 4 preseason games. That says 5. If they can't get that right, you have to wonder what else they got wrong...which they did (minutes, shooting percentages, points average, etc).
Unless, of course, the Celtics played some mystery game that even they don't know about. http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/2017-preseason-schedule/
I'm not sure many share your opinion that he's a scrub who can't compete with even the 3rd stringers. The game log above shows he contributes. I don't expect him to play much this year but he's worthy as a depth wing.
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Making sweeping judgments from exceptionally limited play time in preseason (a whopping 56 minutes) seems rather hasty, doesn't it? Nader had one absolutely dreadful game at Philly. He was AWFUL. 1-8, 3 TOs. The other 3 games were much better.
4-6, 4 rebounds, 10 points in 11 minutes.
5-11, 2 rebounds, 15 points in 21 minutes.
2-3, 1 rebounds, 5 points in 8 minutes.
If much of anything can be gleaned from this, it's that he contributed well in 3 of 4 games.
Neither will cherry picking stats. The guys is a ball hog. He is a dubious shooter .36% from the field and .231% from the trey line to go with your above stats and about 8 TOs. The games he had good stats he was playing against garbage players. Our offense stagnated when he was in games and teams came back because the he did not play within the offense. HOW COME YOU DID NOT POST HIS SHOOTING STATS? Dishonestly or just trying to hide what does not support your argument or over looked it? Which one was is it, do tell.
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/abdel-nader-player-stats?seasonType=3
The bottom line is he is expendable and in no demonstrated that he is a keeper. Now we will see as the games are for real.
That being said, he is the type of guy you want on your practice squad or scout team because he will take shots and try to compete even when he was clearly out of his league. Good practice player but end of the bench NBA player.
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He could be the best Egyptian player to ever take the hardwood.
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The Nader debate is interesting if, for no other reason, it illustrates the Celtics superb bench.
Should Baynes and Morris ever play again (I assume they will) and Tatum hangs on as a starter (maybe not) The Celtic's bench is going to be a veteran group of accomplished players.
I could be crazy, but Baynes, Morris, Rozier and Smart looks as good as anything else out there. Sure, they can be beat, but, not by much.
As far as Nader's minutes, not many as Yabusele seemed to get some calls from Stevens in the preseason. If there are injuries, however, Nader will get some minutes and rain threes and drive to the hoop with the best of the tenth, eleventh and twelfth best guys in da league.