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Title: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on September 24, 2017, 12:48:09 AM
I know some on here dislike Lebron but you have to say this man is one of the all time great representative of the NBA. Only a few months earlier he was publicly mocked by Curry and his teammates (including our own Irving) at a wedding, he could have easily blown up on social media but he kept quiet and now has done the opposite and stood up for Curry and the Warriors.

I still think Jordan has the greatest career resume but Lebron is up there with Bill Russell as the greatest human in the leagues superstar ranks.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Ogaju on September 24, 2017, 12:53:08 AM
I like him...can't stand Curry.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: mr. dee on September 24, 2017, 12:53:40 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry but don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on September 24, 2017, 12:54:09 AM
He has definitely stepped up as far as what he stands for.

He gets much respect from me and I admire him as a player and person.

With that being said I hope Kyrie, The Haymaker and BOS give him the business on Oct 17.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Rondo9 on September 24, 2017, 12:55:54 AM
Calling the President a bum (even if he is acting childish) is nothing compared to what Bill Russell did for black people and what he endured as well.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on September 24, 2017, 12:58:08 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

Well...LeBron James has garnered much respect from none other than Jim Brown...that is no small feat.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-jim-brown-statue-for-winning-title-062016

I agree that He and Mr. Russell are two different levels but LeBron is stepping up well during "his" time.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: mr. dee on September 24, 2017, 01:04:15 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

Well...LeBron James has garnered much respect from none other than Jim Brown...that is no small feat.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-jim-brown-statue-for-winning-title-062016

I agree that He and Mr. Russell are two different levels but LeBron is stepping up well during "his" time.

Im pretty sure that's only because Lebron was the only relevant athlete playing for that city in past several decades. Im sure Brad Daugherty or Mark Price would have the same honor if they won a championship for the Cavs.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on September 24, 2017, 01:11:26 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

Well...LeBron James has garnered much respect from none other than Jim Brown...that is no small feat.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-jim-brown-statue-for-winning-title-062016

I agree that He and Mr. Russell are two different levels but LeBron is stepping up well during "his" time.

Im pretty sure that's only because Lebron was the only relevant athlete playing for that city in past several decades. Im sure Brad Daugherty or Mark Price would have the same honor if they won a championship for the Cavs.

Mr. Brown has also given LeBron James praise on racial issues - like how he handled his house in LA being vandalized.

LeBron James is able to do what he does NOW because of Mr. Russell's sacrifices - this is true. But I really believe that he is using his platform well.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Boris Badenov on September 24, 2017, 01:11:36 AM
For all the grief Lebron gets I think this deserves some respect. He's coming together with his greatest rival on the court, who has basically outright mocked him, and he's doing it for non-basketball and non-marketing reasons.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on September 24, 2017, 01:11:42 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry but don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

I completely understand that Bill is on another level but they are also in completely different eras where the majority of James’ income comes from corporate sponsorship, I’m actually sure that he would be constantly advised against making any political statements, something he usually goes against. If you look at MJ, Kobe, Magic ect. they almost always keep quiet. The ‘decision’ which caused so much hate towards Lebron raised 3 million for charity and none was kept for him, in 2015 his charity raised 41 million for kids to go to college...this from a man in his early 30’s is quite amazing.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Rondo9 on September 24, 2017, 01:16:34 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry but don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

I completely understand that Bill is on another level but they are also in completely different eras where the majority of James’ income comes from corporate sponsorship, I’m actually sure that he would be constantly advised against making any political statements, something he usually goes against. If you look at MJ, Kobe, Magic ect. they almost always keep quiet. The ‘decision’ which caused so much hate towards Lebron raised 3 million for charity and none was kept for him, in 2015 his charity raised 41 million for kids to go to college...this from a man in his early 30’s is quite amazing.

Eh considering the divisiveness of the current Presdient i don't think Lebron wouldn't lose much or at all if he criticized this President.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on September 24, 2017, 01:22:22 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry but don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

I completely understand that Bill is on another level but they are also in completely different eras where the majority of James’ income comes from corporate sponsorship, I’m actually sure that he would be constantly advised against making any political statements, something he usually goes against. If you look at MJ, Kobe, Magic ect. they almost always keep quiet. The ‘decision’ which caused so much hate towards Lebron raised 3 million for charity and none was kept for him, in 2015 his charity raised 41 million for kids to go to college...this from a man in his early 30’s is quite amazing.

Eh considering the divisiveness of the current Presdient i don't think Lebron wouldn't lose much or at all if he criticized this President.

You’d be surprised at some of his sponsors whom probably campaigned for Trump and give money to the Republican Party wouldn’t be too happy. If you are giving millions of dollars to an athlete you want him to not isolate any income sources. There would be fans of trump out there who wouldn’t buy anything endorsed by Lebron now...hence why most superstars say nothing.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Rondo9 on September 24, 2017, 01:24:30 AM
Trump is even divisive in his own party. I doubt this will Lebron, and if it does it's very little.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: mr. dee on September 24, 2017, 01:37:24 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry but don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

I completely understand that Bill is on another level but they are also in completely different eras where the majority of James’ income comes from corporate sponsorship, I’m actually sure that he would be constantly advised against making any political statements, something he usually goes against. If you look at MJ, Kobe, Magic ect. they almost always keep quiet. The ‘decision’ which caused so much hate towards Lebron raised 3 million for charity and none was kept for him, in 2015 his charity raised 41 million for kids to go to college...this from a man in his early 30’s is quite amazing.

Im pretty sure many athletes are raising charities. It was nothing new. Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are providing charities for the poor from the portion of their fight purse and so on.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on September 24, 2017, 02:27:09 AM
I applaud him for standing up for Curry but don't ever compare Lebron to Bill Russell. Russell fought for the rights of black people. Lebron was letting himself used by Hilary during the election.

I completely understand that Bill is on another level but they are also in completely different eras where the majority of James’ income comes from corporate sponsorship, I’m actually sure that he would be constantly advised against making any political statements, something he usually goes against. If you look at MJ, Kobe, Magic ect. they almost always keep quiet. The ‘decision’ which caused so much hate towards Lebron raised 3 million for charity and none was kept for him, in 2015 his charity raised 41 million for kids to go to college...this from a man in his early 30’s is quite amazing.

Im pretty sure many athletes are raising charities. It was nothing new. Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are providing charities for the poor from the portion of their fight purse and so on.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/aug/30/houstonchronicle-tvcom/its-fake-news-floyd-mayweather-jr-donated-200-mill/
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: LilRip on September 24, 2017, 02:54:23 AM
Jeez, all these nitpickers! Not to sound like that ol' grampa telling kids how good they have it, but ya'll should appreciate that so many influential people are choosing to stand up for what they believe in, Lebron included! Not to derail the thread into a political debate but in the Philippines, nobody is speaking up. Only the little guys stand up for the little guys because everyone who has a shred of influence is either bought, or scared, or silenced. What I'd give to have a "Lebron James" for the PH.

Sorry, I'm just upset right now. But props to Lebron. I got mad respect for what he said and that he's using his platform to spread a message beyond basketball.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Onslaught on September 24, 2017, 05:05:18 AM
It's making me p---ed off because I hate saying good things about Lebron. I already liked Curry.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 24, 2017, 07:33:41 AM
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I still think Jordan has the greatest career resume but Lebron is up there with Bill Russell as the greatest human in the leagues superstar ranks.

Sounds like if LeBron stopped walking someone would be choking on you know what....


To each his own, I think you're a poor judge of character who is not bothered by rampant egotism and doesn't know a coward when you see one.  Not to mention a closet CAVs fan.  JK  But that doesn't make me right or you wrong.  So given your name and this thread, I think you're a little biases towards LeBron, eh?

But your way off base compaing LeBron to Bill Russell.  Bill Russell was a civil rights advocate, LeBron 90% of the time, is a LeBron Advocate that is a pretty big difference.

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Despite his fierce dedication to basketball during his career as a player and coach, Bill Russell was keenly aware that there was a world beyond the court. Beginning in the late 1950s, he was an active participant in the struggle by American blacks for full civil rights. Early in his career Russell charged the NBA with maintaining a de facto quota system which limited the number of blacks on each team. In 1963, at the height of the civil rights struggle in the American South, he accepted, uneasily and at great personal risk to himself, a request to travel to Jackson, Mississippi, to organize and lead integrated basketball clinics. Russell was one of the few professional athletes in the United States, black or white, to speak out on civil rights in such a dramatic way in the 1960s. Around the same time, he was the target of racist attacks when he bought a home in white suburban Boston.

Bill Russell has taken stands that have been controversial among fans. For example, he refuses to sign autographs, preferring to shake hands and speak directly to fans and well-wishers. Russell resisted having his number retired by the Celtics in 1972, until Red Auerbach agreed to hold the ceremony without any fans present. In 1974 when he became the first black to be elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame, Russell at first refused to accept the honor. "Aside from racism or my own feelings about the cheers and boos in sports, I don't respect it [the Basketball Hall of Fame] as an institution," he wrote in Second Wind. "Its standards are not high enough. It's too political, too self-serving." He was inducted despite his objections.

http://sports.jrank.org/pages/4110/Russell-Bill-Civil-Rights-Advocate.html

More here

http://massmentors.org/content/bill-russell%E2%80%99s-legend-champion-matched-only-his-advocacy-human-rights-and-mentoring

LeBron has done nothing like this folks.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 07:57:56 AM
I love watching Lebron on the court.

Off the court, I feel like he offers a shallow perspective. I've never felt like he's his "own man". On one hand, he'll probably eventually be a billionaire and has a giant platform. On the other, he's been very insulated and seemingly has no more than a surface level idea of important issues.

Billionaire + shallow understanding + big platform+ giant ego? Maybe he'll be President some day.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Granath on September 24, 2017, 08:10:07 AM
On the court, he's been nothing but incredible as arguably the most complete player in NBA history. He has gone to the NBA Finals 8 times, including carrying perhaps the most untalented team in history to the finals (06-07 Cleveland). He has lost against some great teams there but still won 3 Finals to go along with four NBA Most Valuable Player Awards, three NBA Finals MVP Awards, two Olympic gold medals, an NBA scoring title, and the NBA Rookie of the Year Award. On the court he's a professional. Some people say he whines at the refs, but so do most of the great ones.

Off the court Lebron has been a model citizen. His charity sent 1,100 kids to college in 2015. His one misstep was the public reaction to the "decision" which was a PR issue, not an attitude issue. His teammates have universally praised him for being a great locker room influence. He's not particularly outspoken on many political issues but that's fine. He doesn't have to be. I don't compare him with Civil Rights leaders like Russell, Jim Brown or Ali. But he's supportive of those who are willing to be more outspoken and that counts for something.

I understand the Lebron hate. It's jealousy. But in a few years when he retires, he'll be considered the best player of his generation without any real debate. Appreciate him while you can, folks...because you'll be telling your grandchildren, "I watched Lebron play".
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Snakehead on September 24, 2017, 09:06:02 AM


Billionaire + shallow understanding + big platform+ giant ego? Maybe he'll be President some day.

Please give me a break with this comparison given recent events.  Ridiculous.  LeBron isn't an open racist and he's a good person.

He's never had problems off the court and his teammates love him.  Still have to find a way to bash him though, even when there is someone as disgusting as Trump we are talking about here.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: FreddieJ on September 24, 2017, 09:16:25 AM


Billionaire + shallow understanding + big platform+ giant ego? Maybe he'll be President some day.

Please give me a break with this comparison given recent events.  Ridiculous.  LeBron isn't an open racist and he's a good person.

He's never had problems off the court and his teammates love him.  Still have to find a way to bash him though, even when there is someone as disgusting as Trump we are talking about here.

Disgusting is your own negative perception

It's disrespect to everyone who supports Trump, and now dislikes LeBron (a lot who pay to see him)

Trump isn't a open racist either, that's your bias
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: celticsclay on September 24, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
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I still think Jordan has the greatest career resume but Lebron is up there with Bill Russell as the greatest human in the leagues superstar ranks.

Sounds like if LeBron stopped walking someone would be choking on you know what....


To each his own, I think you're a poor judge of character who is not bothered by rampant egotism and doesn't know a coward when you see one.  Not to mention a closet CAVs fan.  JK  But that doesn't make me right or you wrong.  So given your name and this thread, I think you're a little biases towards LeBron, eh?

But your way off base compaing LeBron to Bill Russell.  Bill Russell was a civil rights advocate, LeBron 90% of the time, is a LeBron Advocate that is a pretty big difference.

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Despite his fierce dedication to basketball during his career as a player and coach, Bill Russell was keenly aware that there was a world beyond the court. Beginning in the late 1950s, he was an active participant in the struggle by American blacks for full civil rights. Early in his career Russell charged the NBA with maintaining a de facto quota system which limited the number of blacks on each team. In 1963, at the height of the civil rights struggle in the American South, he accepted, uneasily and at great personal risk to himself, a request to travel to Jackson, Mississippi, to organize and lead integrated basketball clinics. Russell was one of the few professional athletes in the United States, black or white, to speak out on civil rights in such a dramatic way in the 1960s. Around the same time, he was the target of racist attacks when he bought a home in white suburban Boston.

Bill Russell has taken stands that have been controversial among fans. For example, he refuses to sign autographs, preferring to shake hands and speak directly to fans and well-wishers. Russell resisted having his number retired by the Celtics in 1972, until Red Auerbach agreed to hold the ceremony without any fans present. In 1974 when he became the first black to be elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame, Russell at first refused to accept the honor. "Aside from racism or my own feelings about the cheers and boos in sports, I don't respect it [the Basketball Hall of Fame] as an institution," he wrote in Second Wind. "Its standards are not high enough. It's too political, too self-serving." He was inducted despite his objections.

http://sports.jrank.org/pages/4110/Russell-Bill-Civil-Rights-Advocate.html

More here

http://massmentors.org/content/bill-russell%E2%80%99s-legend-champion-matched-only-his-advocacy-human-rights-and-mentoring

LeBron has done nothing like this folks.

+10000 it makes me embarassed as a Celtics fan to see him lumped in with Bill Russell as caliber of person.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 24, 2017, 09:32:21 AM
I love watching Lebron on the court.

Off the court, I feel like he offers a shallow perspective. I've never felt like he's his "own man". On one hand, he'll probably eventually be a billionaire and has a giant platform. On the other, he's been very insulated and seemingly has no more than a surface level idea of important issues.

Billionaire + shallow understanding + big platform+ giant ego? Maybe he'll be President some day.
I'd argue the important issues of today are rather shallow compared to the 50s and 60s in America.  Kaepernick is looked at like as some kind of racial justice hero for not standing for the pledge.  What a joke.  Don't particularly like Lebron but he is definitely his own man.  He's just doing so within the system. 
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 24, 2017, 09:53:40 AM


Billionaire + shallow understanding + big platform+ giant ego? Maybe he'll be President some day.

Please give me a break with this comparison given recent events.  Ridiculous.  LeBron isn't an open racist and he's a good person.

He's never had problems off the court and his teammates love him.  Still have to find a way to bash him though, even when there is someone as disgusting as Trump we are talking about here.

Disgusting is your own negative perception

It's disrespect to everyone who supports Trump, and now dislikes LeBron (a lot who pay to see him)

Trump isn't a open racist either, that's your bias
I don't think Trump is a racist.  There just not much substance to Trump.  He's an egomaniac and an narcissist who is willing to do anything, including playing up to racists, to feed his ego and get ahead. 
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 09:55:33 AM
Does Lebron really do any more work in the community or speak out about social injustice than any other athlete does? I really don't think so. Because of his world wide fame, yes, he raises more money for charity than most athletes, but I am not sure he speaks out on social issues or does any more work in his community than most other athletes.

I commend him for all he does for others but I won't compare what he does to what Bill Russell had to do in a more hostile environment and time. Nor will I praise Lebron any more than other athletes who do work for charities, who take stances on social issues and who work in their communities.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Moranis on September 24, 2017, 10:08:18 AM
Does Lebron really do any more work in the community or speak out about social injustice than any other athlete does? I really don't think so. Because of his world wide fame, yes, he raises more money for charity than most athletes, but I am not sure he speaks out on social issues or does any more work in his community than most other athletes.

I commend him for all he does for others but I won't compare what he does to what Bill Russell had to do in a more hostile environment and time. Nor will I praise Lebron any more than other athletes who do work for charities, who take stances on social issues and who work in their communities.
Yes he does.  James is probably the most socially active athlete of the era.  He does a lot of things. 

SI even put a list out there a little while ago (I'm sure there are other things not on the list)

https://www.si.com/nba/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-social-political-activism#
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 11:19:12 AM
It's just so ignorant to compare somebody worth hundreds of millions of dollars, who has been coddled his entire life and goes everywhere with an entourage and armed body guards  with players who lived through segregation and an outwardly and open  racist society.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: nickagneta on September 24, 2017, 11:42:37 AM
It's just so ignorant to compare somebody worth hundreds of millions of dollars, who has been coddled his entire life and goes everywhere with an entourage and armed body guards  with players who lived through segregation and an outwardly and open  racist society.
I wwouldn't call it ignorant but it is a poor comparison
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 12:06:22 PM
It's just so ignorant to compare somebody worth hundreds of millions of dollars, who has been coddled his entire life and goes everywhere with an entourage and armed body guards  with players who lived through segregation and an outwardly and open  racist society.
I wwouldn't call it ignorant but it is a poor comparison

If people were educated on what those pioneers went through - I.e., not ignorant - they wouldn't make them.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 24, 2017, 12:34:40 PM
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Yes he does.  James is probably the most socially active athlete of the era.  He does a lot of things. 

SI even put a list out there a little while ago (I'm sure there are other things not on the list)

https://www.si.com/nba/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-social-political-activism#

That list is still pretty light compared to Bill Russell's and civil rights, no?
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: blink on September 24, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
I agree, I give Lebron some props.  I am not his biggest fan either, but when he posted the video and in his own words, not a tweet, stood up for what he thinks is right.  That impressed me. 

I don't really think it is fair to compare him with Russell or Kareem or any of the guys that were at ground zero in the 60's civil rights era.  Lebron doesn't choose what era he is born into, like all of us he only gets to choose how he responds and what he does.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: ETNCeltics on September 24, 2017, 02:41:58 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of pampered millionaires who enjoy the fat of the land pretending as though America is a land of stark raving lunatic racists.

SJW-losers are pushing me to the point of dropping the NFL, and the NBA probably isn't far behind.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: liam on September 24, 2017, 02:55:24 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of pampered millionaires who enjoy the fat of the land pretending as though America is a land of stark raving lunatic racists.

SJW-losers are pushing me to the point of dropping the NFL, and the NBA probably isn't far behind.

People are not pretending that America is racist. America is racist. If you want to point fingers at a rich orange, pampered, baby who is cracking the country in half I think we can already seem him clearly! Trump is calling for a boycott of American businesses that don't out source to China. Trump still does business with China for all his clothing lines and daughter's clothing lines. That is what should be being boycotted!

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/MadeInAmerica/made-america-tackles-super-bowl/story?id=15471499
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: BitterJim on September 24, 2017, 03:24:57 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of pampered millionaires who enjoy the fat of the land pretending as though America is a land of stark raving lunatic racists.

SJW-losers are pushing me to the point of dropping the NFL, and the NBA probably isn't far behind.

Nobody is saying that everyone in America is racist. That would be as ridiculous as claiming that no one in America is racist. Ignoring the issue isn't going to make it go away, and neither will punishing people (some of which have actually been affected by it) who speak out
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Moranis on September 24, 2017, 03:44:22 PM
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Yes he does.  James is probably the most socially active athlete of the era.  He does a lot of things. 

SI even put a list out there a little while ago (I'm sure there are other things not on the list)

https://www.si.com/nba/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-social-political-activism#

That list is still pretty light compared to Bill Russell's and civil rights, no?
of course. Different era,  different social injustice
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 24, 2017, 04:02:04 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of pampered millionaires who enjoy the fat of the land pretending as though America is a land of stark raving lunatic racists.

SJW-losers are pushing me to the point of dropping the NFL, and the NBA probably isn't far behind.

Nobody is saying that everyone in America is racist. That would be as ridiculous as claiming that no one in America is racist. Ignoring the issue isn't going to make it go away, and neither will punishing people (some of which have actually been affected by it) who speak out
Sure they are. Just look at the preceding post. BLM says it all the time.  The media pushes the racist narrative a lot.  America is objectively the least racist than it ever has been.  It takes a distortion of the term and blinders to history to say otherwise. 
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: liam on September 24, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of pampered millionaires who enjoy the fat of the land pretending as though America is a land of stark raving lunatic racists.

SJW-losers are pushing me to the point of dropping the NFL, and the NBA probably isn't far behind.

Nobody is saying that everyone in America is racist. That would be as ridiculous as claiming that no one in America is racist. Ignoring the issue isn't going to make it go away, and neither will punishing people (some of which have actually been affected by it) who speak out
Sure they are. Just look at the preceding post. BLM says it all the time.  The media pushes the racist narrative a lot.  America is objectively the least racist than it ever has been.  It takes a distortion of the term and blinders to history to say otherwise.

I am wondering what you are using to measure the amount of racism currently in America and what was used to measure  past racism? I observe a large amount of racism every day taking place in this country and have observed a large amount my whole life. I have not seen any objective method for measuring racism, please let me know if there is one.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on September 24, 2017, 04:25:31 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of pampered millionaires who enjoy the fat of the land pretending as though America is a land of stark raving lunatic racists.

SJW-losers are pushing me to the point of dropping the NFL, and the NBA probably isn't far behind.

Nobody is saying that everyone in America is racist. That would be as ridiculous as claiming that no one in America is racist. Ignoring the issue isn't going to make it go away, and neither will punishing people (some of which have actually been affected by it) who speak out
Sure they are. Just look at the preceding post. BLM says it all the time.  The media pushes the racist narrative a lot.  America is objectively the least racist than it ever has been.  It takes a distortion of the term and blinders to history to say otherwise.

If the media is fueling more racism, then how can America be objectively the least racist it's ever been?
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Roy H. on September 24, 2017, 04:31:18 PM
Frankly, I'm sick of pampered millionaires who enjoy the fat of the land pretending as though America is a land of stark raving lunatic racists.

SJW-losers are pushing me to the point of dropping the NFL, and the NBA probably isn't far behind.

Nobody is saying that everyone in America is racist. That would be as ridiculous as claiming that no one in America is racist. Ignoring the issue isn't going to make it go away, and neither will punishing people (some of which have actually been affected by it) who speak out
Sure they are. Just look at the preceding post. BLM says it all the time.  The media pushes the racist narrative a lot.  America is objectively the least racist than it ever has been.  It takes a distortion of the term and blinders to history to say otherwise.

I am wondering what you are using to measure the amount of racism currently in America and what was used to measure  past racism? I observe a large amount of racism every day taking place in this country and have observed a large amount my whole life. I have not seen any objective method for measuring racism, please let me know if there is one.

Some would be:

Explicitly racist laws;
Government-enforced segregation;
The prevelance of racist speech;
Societal norms toward racism (how taboo it is)
The representation of various races in popular media;
Whether the U.S. is "ready" for a black President

There are tons of others. I accept that there is racism and prejudice in America. I don't believe there is a credible argument that America is more racist now than in the 50s, 60s, 70s, etc., and certainly not before then.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 24, 2017, 04:44:09 PM
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of course. Different era,  different social injustice

Note that some of the things Bill Russell did could have got him killed.  None of the things LeBron did took real courage because most of them were the social stance of society and there was zero danger to him physically. 

To me this is the big difference, I do this and I could die for my beliefs vs. I do this because most of the people think this way and it is expected of me. 

Racism is alive and well, I suspect it will be until the teens and adults in their 20s today come to the fore.   
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: celticsclay on September 25, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
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of course. Different era,  different social injustice

Note that some of the things Bill Russell did could have got him killed.  None of the things LeBron did took real courage because most of them were the social stance of society and there was zero danger to him physically. 

To me this is the big difference, I do this and I could die for my beliefs vs. I do this because most of the people think this way and it is expected of me. 

Racism is alive and well, I suspect it will be until the teens and adults in their 20s today come to the fore.

100% with you on this. Lebron seems like a fine person, especially by professional athlete standards where there has been a lot of negative events. Lebron is a business man and he cares far more about that than social justice. As I said earlier in the thread comparing his actions and words to Russell's are embarrassing. It is a completely different level and disrespectful to the things Russell did
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: jackpercussion on September 25, 2017, 07:08:25 AM
I think Trump (who I support) should stay out of sports commentary and athletes should stay away from commenting about politics.  Very simple concept. 
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Big333223 on September 25, 2017, 07:13:42 AM
I've always thought Lebron, like most with his level of celebrity, gets more criticism than is really warranted. I've never had a problem with him or his game. And I do think it's nice to see an athlete who seems to take the idea that he's a role model seriously.

So yeah, good on him.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Onslaught on September 25, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
I think Trump (who I support) should stay out of sports commentary and athletes should stay away from commenting about politics.  Very simple concept.
Why should athletes not have an opinion about politics? I have no problem with them being political as long as they know there are consequences for saying things.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
Praise lebron for what? Calling someone a derogatory term (against homeless)? Since when was it ok to call people childish names, especially as an adult? Our flag deserves respect as does our president. I have lost a ton of respect for lebron after the ridiculous name calling
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 25, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
Praise lebron for what? Calling someone a derogatory term (against homeless)? Since when was it ok to call people childish names, especially as an adult? Our flag deserves respect as does our president. I have lost a ton of respect for lebron after the ridiculous name calling

Serious question: do you even take yourself seriously saying something like this? Because I know you're well aware of Trump's extensive decades-long history of calling people worse things than "bum", including the last President, and you have nothing but fawning praise for him. Why would anyone believe the dramatic show of offense is at all genuine?
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: LGC88 on September 25, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
I know some on here dislike Lebron but you have to say this man is one of the all time great representative of the NBA. Only a few months earlier he was publicly mocked by Curry and his teammates (including our own Irving) at a wedding, he could have easily blown up on social media but he kept quiet and now has done the opposite and stood up for Curry and the Warriors.

I still think Jordan has the greatest career resume but Lebron is up there with Bill Russell as the greatest human in the leagues superstar ranks.

Did he inflict some DNA to you as well?
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: thatruthb34 on September 25, 2017, 06:00:37 PM
I once hated LBJ with everything that consumed me. And while it could be off topic in regards to the OP's topic and reason for praising, I realized that we are literally witnessing greatness. Whether he's been our biggest "rival" or not, a talent like this doesn't come around often and I am happy to say that I have grown up watching and appreciating the things that man does with a basketball. When he's gone I hope that more people appreciate his game and what it was.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: CelticsElite on September 25, 2017, 06:43:57 PM
Praise lebron for what? Calling someone a derogatory term (against homeless)? Since when was it ok to call people childish names, especially as an adult? Our flag deserves respect as does our president. I have lost a ton of respect for lebron after the ridiculous name calling

Serious question: do you even take yourself seriously saying something like this? Because I know you're well aware of Trump's extensive decades-long history of calling people worse things than "bum", including the last President, and you have nothing but fawning praise for him. Why would anyone believe the dramatic show of offense is at all genuine?
so 2 wrongs make a right?
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: chambers on September 25, 2017, 06:51:40 PM
Praise lebron for what? Calling someone a derogatory term (against homeless)? Since when was it ok to call people childish names, especially as an adult? Our flag deserves respect as does our president. I have lost a ton of respect for lebron after the ridiculous name calling
Yes the flag deserves respect.
The presidency deserves respect. Trump has zero respect for the presidency. It's about him, not the great USA.

Lebron not going to give respect to someone who doesn't respect his position as President.
Trump openly rescinds invitation to whitehouse and you're bringing up respect and childishness?
The guy is a disgusting child of a grown man let alone a worthy president of USA.

Good on Lebron for sticking up for his fellow influential nba player.

Trump is nothing but a bully. So sad for this great nation.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: nickagneta on September 25, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
Praise lebron for what? Calling someone a derogatory term (against homeless)? Since when was it ok to call people childish names, especially as an adult? Our flag deserves respect as does our president. I have lost a ton of respect for lebron after the ridiculous name calling

Serious question: do you even take yourself seriously saying something like this? Because I know you're well aware of Trump's extensive decades-long history of calling people worse things than "bum", including the last President, and you have nothing but fawning praise for him. Why would anyone believe the dramatic show of offense is at all genuine?
so 2 wrongs make a right?
Nope but you are only criticizng one of the wrongs. Why?

Me? I could care less if Lebron calls Trump a bum but I do have a problem with our president using foul language in a speech to denigrate other Americans. That is disrespectful to his office as president.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Rondo9 on September 25, 2017, 07:18:33 PM
I think both were acting childish.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Roy H. on September 25, 2017, 07:22:14 PM
Political conversation is not allowed except in the Current Events forum. This will be the only warning.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Rosco917 on September 25, 2017, 07:24:16 PM
Political conversation is not allowed except in the Current Events forum. This will be the only warning.



TP
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: nickagneta on September 25, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
Political conversation is not allowed except in the Current Events forum. This will be the only warning.
Sorry Roy. Been in the Trump thread so much I just forgot where I was posting. Lol.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Phantom255x on September 25, 2017, 10:14:23 PM
Political conversation is not allowed except in the Current Events forum. This will be the only warning.

I mean, I don't mean to start anything or offend anyone here, but isn't this topic basically a political conversation that belongs in that Current Events thread?

I mean, this isn't really a Lebron the basketball player convo. here, and many people have brought up politics already here.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Roy H. on September 25, 2017, 11:42:04 PM
Political conversation is not allowed except in the Current Events forum. This will be the only warning.

I mean, I don't mean to start anything or offend anyone here, but isn't this topic basically a political conversation that belongs in that Current Events thread?

I mean, this isn't really a Lebron the basketball player convo. here, and many people have brought up politics already here.

No, labeling a basketball player a great humanitarian is not inherently political. Comparing eras is not inherently political.

Starting another conversation about Trump, however, is.
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Moranis on September 26, 2017, 11:05:19 AM
bum isn't exactly a derogatory term towards homeless.  The word has like 20 different meanings. 
Title: Re: A moment to praise Lebron
Post by: Phantom255x on September 26, 2017, 12:33:40 PM
Political conversation is not allowed except in the Current Events forum. This will be the only warning.

I mean, I don't mean to start anything or offend anyone here, but isn't this topic basically a political conversation that belongs in that Current Events thread?

I mean, this isn't really a Lebron the basketball player convo. here, and many people have brought up politics already here.

No, labeling a basketball player a great humanitarian is not inherently political. Comparing eras is not inherently political.

Starting another conversation about Trump, however, is.

Fair enough.