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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsQuestFor18 on September 22, 2017, 10:03:30 AM
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I apologize if there is "another term" or phrase for this, but I'm referring to the "draw/lure" Irving brings all around the league and media (including national outlets) along with the praise he gets from other superstar players.
Ever since the trade was made, think about it:
1. Kyrie makes an appeareance on First Take (did Isaiah ever make one, even after the season he put up last year. Nope. His most recent appeareance was in 2014-2015 Finals).
2. ESPN ranks Boston as most likely to make Finals out of East (NOT Cleveland). Also puts Boston now as #2 as "best future team" behind Golden State.
3. Quite a few talk shows/programs (like The Herd, Undisputed, Speak For Yourself, SC6, The Jump, ESPN, etc.) who used to ALWAYS doubt the Celtics and think they were nothing more than "a bunch of rag tag overachievers" are suddenly "buying into the team" and intrigued by them. Think they can do a lot especially in the future (even Banner 18 within 2-3 years).
4. Facebook and Twitter simply have A LOT more posts on "Irving the Celtics Player" these days as opposed to Isaiah Thomas.
5. I don't mean to create controversy when I say this, but do you think Hayward is happier to play with Irving more than Thomas. Now yes, Hayward said Isaiah is the ONLY reason he came here (which is true), but it seems like Hayward and Irving have some history together themselves (recruiting also before LBJ re-joined CLE) and Hayward "seems" more psyched to play alongside Irving than Thomas... (Again, JUST A GUESS here).
So to sum it up, when we had Isaiah, Crowder, etc. still on the team, we were a GREAT team. Made the ECF, still had all the draft picks coming up, life was fantastic. But the national media STILL never gave them credit and ALWAYS doubted them. Now we have Irving and suddenly everyone is believing in this team going forward... (Even when we signed Hayward, people still doubted our potential with Thomas as our PG still)
Man I feel for "The Little Guy". But Kyrie's influence (hopefully) will help us attract future ring-chasing FA's and trade targets (who hopefully love Irving).
Anyone else notice this though?
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This is true, but I really hope Kyrie is genuine about wanting to elevate his game here (defense included, even if it just becomes average which is fine) and that he actually loves the idea about playing in Boston.
Hoping he's just not going to act all smug with an ego (as some believe here) only wanting to promote his brand here and what not.
But if he puts his ego aside for a bit and truly puts in work with Stevens and his teammates to become a superstar PG (to the likes of Curry, Westbrook), then I'll be very happy.
It was a grand price to pay for Kyrie (even if IT was injured, still an overpay) but I'll trust Ainge for now (hesitantly). I do think with CBS Kyrie can get even better.
But Kyrie's influence (hopefully) will help us attract future ring-chasing FA's and trade targets (who hopefully love Irving).
Anyone know if Anthony Davis or Porzingis love Kyrie and the idea of playing with him? :P
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This is true, but I really hope Kyrie is genuine about wanting to elevate his game here (defense included, even if it just becomes average which is fine) and that he actually loves the idea about playing in Boston.
Hoping he's just not going to act all smug with an ego (as some believe here) only wanting to promote his brand here and what not.
But if he puts his ego aside for a bit and truly puts in work with Stevens and his teammates to become a superstar PG (to the likes of Curry, Westbrook), then I'll be very happy.
It was a grand price to pay for Kyrie (even if IT was injured, still an overpay) but I'll trust Ainge for now (hesitantly). I do think with CBS Kyrie can get even better.
But Kyrie's influence (hopefully) will help us attract future ring-chasing FA's and trade targets (who hopefully love Irving).
Anyone know if Anthony Davis or Porzingis love Kyrie and the idea of playing with him? :P
I wasn't a huge fan of the trade either, but at this point all we can do is wait for the season to begin and see how it goes.
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Only 4 members of last year's team will be back this go-round, so I'm not sure I would call it the "Kyrie Effect".
Based on the board, Hayward already is being underrated and may be a more impactful player than Kyrie at his position... remember we were already getting 28ppg from our PG... at SF we were hit and miss.
I am yet to see Kyrie in a team system, so I'll reserve comment until then... but be careful not to attribute the success or failure of this team on an individual.
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Only 4 members of last year's team will be back this go-round, so I'm not sure I would call it the "Kyrie Effect".
Based on the board, Hayward already is being underrated and may be a more impactful player than Kyrie at his position... remember we were already getting 28ppg from our PG... at SF we were hit and miss.
I am yet to see Kyrie in a team system, so I'll reserve comment until then... but be careful not to attribute the success or failure of this team on an individual.
Don't think he (or she) meant that, the OP meant that before the trade, everyone in the media felt meh about the C's (and they felt that way ALL of last year too even as C's clinched #1 seed and made ECF). Then they trade for Irving and suddenly the media and everyone is hyped about the C's going forward.
It's true for the most part, but yeah you're right that successes and failures of a team are not JUST on one guy.
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I think the national media is giving the Celtics more traction because of the addition of Hayward and the quality of youth on this team as much as they are giving the credit to Kyrie. Tatum, Horford, Hayward, Brown, Smart, Rozier as as well as Kyrie, as a collective, are the reasons the national media is suddenly bullish on the Cs.
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I think the national media is giving the Celtics more traction because of the addition of Hayward and the quality of youth on this team as much as they are giving the credit to Kyrie. Tatum, Horford, Hayward, Brown, Smart, Rozier as as well as Kyrie, as a collective, are the reasons the national media is suddenly bullish on the Cs.
Maybe it's just me, but when we had Isaiah and Crowder in that list (in place of Kyrie), the national media wasn't that bullish on the C's as they are now. (Even after Hayward and Tatum additions)
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Nice early candidate for worst season post. Congrats..
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Nice early candidate for worst season post. Congrats..
Of all the posts and threads on here, this is the one you nominate? Wow. ???
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Nice early candidate for worst season post. Congrats..
Of all the posts and threads on here, this is the one you nominate? Wow. ???
There are no bad posts in August and September. They are ALL bad.
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If I'm comprehending your post as intended, you are saying that the Celtics have more/better media exposure this year compared to recent years, and you are attributing it to Kyrie Irving.
I agree that the Celtics have more media exposure, and I don't necessarily agree that it's all positive (especially your point about First Take - I think Kyrie made a fool of himself), but more importantly, I really do not care about the media coverage or the reasons behind it. I want the Celtics to be a team that I feel a connection with, I can root for, and competes for championships.
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First Take is horrific and whack, but I do feel the overall buzz around Kyrie. I'm sucked into it. Ideally, things click on the court and other prime players will want to join the party. It's gonna be an exciting year with several surprises.
Yab, Semi, Tatum, Brown, Terry & Smart are all interesting "upsiders" to watch along with the max trio. Morris too.
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Only 4 members of last year's team will be back this go-round, so I'm not sure I would call it the "Kyrie Effect".
Based on the board, Hayward already is being underrated and may be a more impactful player than Kyrie at his position... remember we were already getting 28ppg from our PG... at SF we were hit and miss.
I am yet to see Kyrie in a team system, so I'll reserve comment until then... but be careful not to attribute the success or failure of this team on an individual.
Don't think he (or she) meant that, the OP meant that before the trade, everyone in the media felt meh about the C's (and they felt that way ALL of last year too even as C's clinched #1 seed and made ECF). Then they trade for Irving and suddenly the media and everyone is hyped about the C's going forward.
It's true for the most part, but yeah you're right that successes and failures of a team are not JUST on one guy.
The OP has a VERY similar writing to you. The numbering, the bolding, etc., and then you responded 5 minutes after their opening post. Interesting.
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I don't care about the national media. In general, I'd rather be "disrespected" than overhyped, however.
The only thing that matters is play on the court.
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I'm another one who doesn't care about his influence in the media.
If his influence has the refs giving us friendlier calls, that'd be all right with me.
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Anyone know if Anthony Davis or Porzingis love Kyrie and the idea of playing with him? :P
I think it was Zach Lowe who mentioned on a podcast recently that Kyrie and AD are good friends and Kyrie could be an intriguing lure for him.
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Obviously, folks think Irving moves the needle, but this isn't by himself - the Hayward addition is a factor here. If we think of getting Hayward like netting Ray Allen, and then everyone going nuts when KG came as well, it was because Kevin was the third leg of the stool. Irving is our 3rd max guy, and the whole league knows he's worth his deal. Our team is transformed, and that's much more exciting to talk about than, say, whether or not Miami builds on their later season success and makes the playoffs.
It's been a bit nuts/boring to hear the same crap on the radio that we all hashed out here within 6 minutes of the first leak though. The national reporters and analysts (still) got nothing on the collective wisdom of the Blog.
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Im ok with the hype. Its been too long since PP and KG , fans need some star types to cling to. . Celtics are due alittle limelight . Im not a fan of Lakers 100% media circus /zoo that follows them 24/7 .
Celtics can aford to step out aliitle .
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Anyone know if Anthony Davis or Porzingis love Kyrie and the idea of playing with him? :P
I think it was Zach Lowe who mentioned on a podcast recently that Kyrie and AD are good friends and Kyrie could be an intriguing lure for him.
Fantastic to hear! ;D
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Only 4 members of last year's team will be back this go-round, so I'm not sure I would call it the "Kyrie Effect".
Based on the board, Hayward already is being underrated and may be a more impactful player than Kyrie at his position... remember we were already getting 28ppg from our PG... at SF we were hit and miss.
I am yet to see Kyrie in a team system, so I'll reserve comment until then... but be careful not to attribute the success or failure of this team on an individual.
Don't think he (or she) meant that, the OP meant that before the trade, everyone in the media felt meh about the C's (and they felt that way ALL of last year too even as C's clinched #1 seed and made ECF). Then they trade for Irving and suddenly the media and everyone is hyped about the C's going forward.
It's true for the most part, but yeah you're right that successes and failures of a team are not JUST on one guy.
The OP has a VERY similar writing to you. The numbering, the bolding, etc., and then you responded 5 minutes after their opening post. Interesting.
Yeah, that's totally Phantom! He even says in his next post that he wasn't crazy about the trade, but is willing to give it time - which has been your position from the beginning.
TP Eddie for catching this, too. I didn't even know it was Phantom until I went back and looked again.
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Only 4 members of last year's team will be back this go-round, so I'm not sure I would call it the "Kyrie Effect".
Based on the board, Hayward already is being underrated and may be a more impactful player than Kyrie at his position... remember we were already getting 28ppg from our PG... at SF we were hit and miss.
I am yet to see Kyrie in a team system, so I'll reserve comment until then... but be careful not to attribute the success or failure of this team on an individual.
Don't think he (or she) meant that, the OP meant that before the trade, everyone in the media felt meh about the C's (and they felt that way ALL of last year too even as C's clinched #1 seed and made ECF). Then they trade for Irving and suddenly the media and everyone is hyped about the C's going forward.
It's true for the most part, but yeah you're right that successes and failures of a team are not JUST on one guy.
The OP has a VERY similar writing to you. The numbering, the bolding, etc., and then you responded 5 minutes after their opening post. Interesting.
Yeah, that's totally Phantom! He even says in his next post that he wasn't crazy about the trade, but is willing to give it time - which has been your position from the beginning.
TP Eddie for catching this, too. I didn't even know it want Phantom until I went back and looked again.
CelticsQuestFor18 is my good college friend who I see daily.
Pretty sure I mentioned this on some other thread a few weeks ago. I finally got him to make an account so he's a rookie here lol.
But I've helped him out (including making this post). I told him bolding important stuff would make a long post understandable to readers on here (in my experience).
And what's surprising about both of us hating the trade? We both did.
And I responded to his post quickly because he posted it right next to me lol in the library :laugh:
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I'm another one who doesn't care about his influence in the media.
If his influence has the refs giving us friendlier calls, that'd be all right with me.
Man I hope so, seems like the refs ALWAYS screwed us best they could last season.... >:(
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In some Celtic group I'm in, there was a massive spike in member increase after the Kyrie trade. ;D
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Only 4 members of last year's team will be back this go-round, so I'm not sure I would call it the "Kyrie Effect".
Based on the board, Hayward already is being underrated and may be a more impactful player than Kyrie at his position... remember we were already getting 28ppg from our PG... at SF we were hit and miss.
I am yet to see Kyrie in a team system, so I'll reserve comment until then... but be careful not to attribute the success or failure of this team on an individual.
Don't think he (or she) meant that, the OP meant that before the trade, everyone in the media felt meh about the C's (and they felt that way ALL of last year too even as C's clinched #1 seed and made ECF). Then they trade for Irving and suddenly the media and everyone is hyped about the C's going forward.
It's true for the most part, but yeah you're right that successes and failures of a team are not JUST on one guy.
The OP has a VERY similar writing to you. The numbering, the bolding, etc., and then you responded 5 minutes after their opening post. Interesting.
Yeah, that's totally Phantom! He even says in his next post that he wasn't crazy about the trade, but is willing to give it time - which has been your position from the beginning.
TP Eddie for catching this, too. I didn't even know it want Phantom until I went back and looked again.
CelticsQuestFor18 is my good college friend who I see daily.
Pretty sure I mentioned this on some other thread a few weeks ago. I finally got him to make an account so he's a rookie here lol.
But I've helped him out (including making this post). I told him bolding important stuff would make a long post understandable to readers on here (in my experience).
And what's surprising about both of us hating the trade? We both did.
And I responded to his post quickly because he posted it right next to me lol in the library :laugh:
Good for you guys...I don't have any Celtics fans in my school... :'( HK is honorary California land in NBA fandom.
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Last year, there was debate over whether the C's were the worst #1 seed ever.
What a difference an offseason makes!
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I'm hoping that this "Kyrie Factor" takes us deep into June 2018.
It is nice to talk about hope and make predictions, but until the rubber meets the road I'll hold out on jumping on the bandwagon.
Celtic Pride is not about being on ESPN and in the media constantly. It's about results.
Until Kyrie and Hayward take this team farther than IT4 did I won't say if the trade was a success. Call it unfair or illogical (beat you to it, Eddie20) if you want to, but I've been a Diehard Celtics fan for TOO LONG (1981) to jump on bandwagons and hype.
The Boston Celtics - with each iteration of success we've had over the years - have been about sacrifice, hard work, teamwork, determination, DEFENSE, grit, guile. Not Hollywood or hype.
I love Kyrie and Hayward and the rest of this team but IT set the bar - not only with his play but with his love of this team and organization. He did it in a SHORT time, too.
Time to get to work.
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Obviously, folks think Irving moves the needle, but this isn't by himself - the Hayward addition is a factor here. If we think of getting Hayward like netting Ray Allen, and then everyone going nuts when KG came as well, it was because Kevin was the third leg of the stool. Irving is our 3rd max guy, and the whole league knows he's worth his deal. Our team is transformed, and that's much more exciting to talk about than, say, whether or not Miami builds on their later season success and makes the playoffs.
It's been a bit nuts/boring to hear the same crap on the radio that we all hashed out here within 6 minutes of the first leak though. The national reporters and analysts (still) got nothing on the collective wisdom of the Blog.
TP. :angel:
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I'm hoping that this "Kyrie Factor" takes us deep into June 2018.
It is nice to talk about hope and make predictions, but until the rubber meets the road I'll hold out on jumping on the bandwagon.
Celtic Pride is not about being on ESPN and in the media constantly. It's about results.
Until Kyrie and Hayward take this team farther than IT4 did I won't say if the trade was a success. Call it unfair or illogical (beat you to it, Eddie20) if you want to, but I've been a Diehard Celtics fan for TOO LONG (1981) to jump on bandwagons and hype.
The Boston Celtics - with each iteration of success we've had over the years - have been about sacrifice, hard work, teamwork, determination, DEFENSE, grit, guile. Not Hollywood or hype.
I love Kyrie and Hayward and the rest of this team but IT set the bar - not only with his play but with his love of this team and organization. He did it in a SHORT time, too.
Time to get to work.
I too am withholding judgment on the trade until we know more about...well...just about everything having to do with all the moving parts.
But, IT is gone and this is a new version of the Celtics and I will love them even if they suck, which they won't. I cheer for the name on the front(not GE) not the names on the back.
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Only 4 members of last year's team will be back this go-round, so I'm not sure I would call it the "Kyrie Effect".
Based on the board, Hayward already is being underrated and may be a more impactful player than Kyrie at his position... remember we were already getting 28ppg from our PG... at SF we were hit and miss.
I am yet to see Kyrie in a team system, so I'll reserve comment until then... but be careful not to attribute the success or failure of this team on an individual.
Don't think he (or she) meant that, the OP meant that before the trade, everyone in the media felt meh about the C's (and they felt that way ALL of last year too even as C's clinched #1 seed and made ECF). Then they trade for Irving and suddenly the media and everyone is hyped about the C's going forward.
It's true for the most part, but yeah you're right that successes and failures of a team are not JUST on one guy.
The OP has a VERY similar writing to you. The numbering, the bolding, etc., and then you responded 5 minutes after their opening post. Interesting.
Yeah, that's totally Phantom! He even says in his next post that he wasn't crazy about the trade, but is willing to give it time - which has been your position from the beginning.
TP Eddie for catching this, too. I didn't even know it want Phantom until I went back and looked again.
CelticsQuestFor18 is my good college friend who I see daily.
Pretty sure I mentioned this on some other thread a few weeks ago. I finally got him to make an account so he's a rookie here lol.
But I've helped him out (including making this post). I told him bolding important stuff would make a long post understandable to readers on here (in my experience).
And what's surprising about both of us hating the trade? We both did.
And I responded to his post quickly because he posted it right next to me lol in the library :laugh:
Good for you guys...I don't have any Celtics fans in my school... :'( HK is honorary California land in NBA fandom.
What's HK , is it Hong Kong? (Sorry for sounding like an idiot lol)
But I mean honestly, I live in a city close to Boston and go to college in Boston as well lol, so it's honestly not hard to find Celtics fans and friends here.
But in college I've met fans of MANY teams (lots of out-of-state folks too). I have even met a Pelicans fan LOL, and I love annoying him by asking, "what would you want in a Davis deal". He is miserable about the Pels a lot though so it's funny. :laugh:
Thing is, I've met many girls and guys here of numerous fanbases outside the C's, but I've yet to meet a REAL LIFE Clippers fan. :P (I've met quite a few Lakers, but zero Clippers fans).
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I think you have to factor in that (a) Kyrie requested to be traded from a Lebron-lead title contender and (b) the Celtics blew up an ECF team as the major reasons this is getting more traction.
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In some Celtic group I'm in, there was a massive spike in member increase after the Kyrie trade. ;D
Not surprised.
I'm sure the C's have quite a few bandwagoners now than usual too (not that I'm really complaining) :P
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and yet, no Vet Min Older players are lining up to play here....like other Great teams.
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and yet, no Vet Min Older players are lining up to play here....like other Great teams.
I'm sure some guys have lined up, but maybe Ainge isn't high on them?
I mean, the best the Cavs have gotten so far from that market is Perkins. Goes to show what the market is like currently in September.
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and yet, no Vet Min Older players are lining up to play here....like other Great teams.
Probably because :
(A) Market is REALLY thin as Training Camp and Preseason approaches
(B) Ainge probably has already decided he will keep that spot open throughout the season in case any bought out players become available (usually there are intriguing names that come up there)