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Title: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: JBcat on September 12, 2017, 09:11:06 AM
I think I still would say yes but not 100% sure. 

Yes he does sap the life out of teammates, and probably takes too many plays off and not enough winning plays. 

However he is still tremendously talented, and how he would perform under Steven's guidance would be intriguing.  Plus him being on the last year of his contract you don't have to give up a motherload of assets like you would for Davis.  What's tricky is his salary of around 18 mil makes it a little more difficult to trade for.  You could do something like Brown, Smart, and Morris for Cousins but then you have a gaping hole at SG. Unless you slide Hayward over to SG, and Tatum to SF, Horford to PF and have a really big team. 

You could trade Horford but you would have to take on another salary in return to match salaries. Maybe take on Asik's bad contract to lessen what we have to give up. It might have to be a 3 team deal as I don't see NO having much use for Horford.

I think I would still say yes, but I bet more people would say no than a year ago. Plus by trading for him I don't think it excludes trading for Davis 2 years from now if we hold onto our prime assets. Trade Cousins for Davis then. Ha

Whatever the case it's going to be really interesting to see how things unfold between Davis and Cousins in the near future. On paper they should dominate front courts like Robinson and Duncan used to.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: gouki88 on September 12, 2017, 09:13:38 AM
I would love him here, but it would be very hard for us to get him. His talent for a big man is insane, as he can literally do almost everything. A trio of Kyrie/Hayward/Cousins would be unstoppable.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Roy H. on September 12, 2017, 09:18:11 AM
Believe it or not, I'm not sure.

The appeal that the Celtics had was that they had a strong veteran locker room. The culture was perfect to absorb a guy like Cousins. IT, Jae, Bradley. Horford.

All of those guys would be gone. I think the risk goes way up.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: wdleehi on September 12, 2017, 09:30:22 AM
I am not sure.   Lets see how he looks (and how he does in the locker room) for a full season away from the Kings.   
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: iadera on September 12, 2017, 09:58:06 AM
Depends what we give in exchange.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Moranis on September 12, 2017, 10:12:37 AM
If the trade is something like Morris, Baynes, and Brown then I'd be fine with that.  I'd give up Boston's 2018 1st as well and I might even throw in Rozier or Yabu if it was a deal breaker.  I'd try to bring back some lesser players for depth as well so like Jordan Crawford, Cheik Diallo, etc.

So something like this I'd do

Morris, Baynes, Brown, Yabusele, Larkin, BOS 18 1st

for

Cousins, Crawford, Ajinca

which leaves Boston post-trade

PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Smart, Crawford
SF - Hayward, Tatum, Nader
PF - Cousins, Ojeleye
C - Horford, Ajinca, Theis

Various other minor pieces could be traded, but I think that is a reasonable enough trade if the Cousins with Davis experience doesn't work.  Of course Brown is a lot to give up for a potential half season rental of Cousins, but I think it is worth the risk as that team could realistically win the championship if it came together properly.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: playdream on September 12, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
If the trade is something like Morris, Baynes, and Brown then I'd be fine with that.  I'd give up Boston's 2018 1st as well and I might even throw in Rozier or Yabu if it was a deal breaker.  I'd try to bring back some lesser players for depth as well so like Jordan Crawford, Cheik Diallo, etc.

So something like this I'd do

Morris, Baynes, Brown, Yabusele, Larkin, BOS 18 1st

for

Cousins, Crawford, Ajinca

which leaves Boston post-trade

PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Smart, Crawford
SF - Hayward, Tatum, Nader
PF - Cousins, Ojeleye
C - Horford, Ajinca, Theis

Various other minor pieces could be traded, but I think that is a reasonable enough trade if the Cousins with Davis experience doesn't work.  Of course Brown is a lot to give up for a potential half season rental of Cousins, but I think it is worth the risk as that team could realistically win the championship if it came together properly.
You are out of your mind to move brown for Cousins
Baynes + 1first for Cousins at most
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: CelticsElite on September 12, 2017, 10:57:01 AM
No. Hes a locker room threat
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Dino Pitino on September 12, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
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Of course Brown is a lot to give up for a potential half season rental of Cousins

Understatement of the year
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: incoherent on September 12, 2017, 10:59:47 AM
I would not, extremely low character and is generally a loser.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Androslav on September 12, 2017, 11:03:16 AM
No, as giving up any combination of the matching salary would undoubtedly overmatch value (trade or team performance), that DMC brings back.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: jambr380 on September 12, 2017, 11:10:36 AM
DMC is becoming the new Josh Smith.

I love his talent, but agree with others that his salary would be too difficult to match...and I would much rather have Horford than Cousins. Brown/Tatum are a definite no-go.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: jaketwice on September 12, 2017, 11:11:25 AM
There are no circumstances under which I would want to see that guy in a Celtics uniform.

We have an asset - Brad Stevens, and Cousins is a coach killer. I am not interested in taking any risk with the Brad Stevens asset, even if that risk is slight. Moreover, even if we assume that Danny would side with Stevens in any dispute with Cousins, given the probability of such a dispute, it seems like whatever it would take to acquire Cousins could be better spent acquiring an asset without Cousins' associated risks.

After all - if he has a dispute with Stevens, his market price would go down, and we would be getting 40 cents on the dollar trying to move him again after acquiring him.

I also do not like him. I do not like his antics. I do not find his game (although he has undeniable skills) fun to watch. He is a boring, unlikeable player.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: johnnygreen on September 12, 2017, 11:12:09 AM
I would have traded for Cousins. I remember being p---ed off when Cousins was traded last season, because I thought the Celtics had the contracts and assets needed to made the deal. I understand that he has a bad reputation, but I also believe the environment in Sacramento didn't help matters. Playing for a solid organization in the Celtics and with Brad Stevens, I believe that he would have been a solid contributor. To make a Patriots reference, he could have been the equivalent to Cory Dillon.

However, due to the signing of Hayward, which led Danny to renounce the rights to players making around $10M per season, I just don't think the Celtics are in a position to match salaries in a deal for Cousins. Irving, Hayward and Horford aren't going anywhere. It makes zero sense to package Brown or Tatum, which would probably be required just to match salaries.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Moranis on September 12, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
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Of course Brown is a lot to give up for a potential half season rental of Cousins

Understatement of the year
It really depends on whether Boston thinks Cousins would re-sign.  If the team is pretty confident he will re-up, then I think that is a reasonable risk to take.  The reality is Tatum or Brown pretty much has to be included to the make the salaries work unless Horford is traded and that is just a bad idea. 

I'd personally go for the title though and I think a starting 5 of Irving, Smart, Hayward, Cousins, and Horford not only makes the Finals, but also would have a very realistic chance of beating Golden State.  Of course, I'm not as high on Brown as a lot of people are on here so that may be some of my thinking on that one.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: GreenEnvy on September 12, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
DMC is becoming the new Josh Smith.

I love his talent, but agree with others that his salary would be too difficult to match...and I would much rather have Horford than Cousins. Brown/Tatum are a definite no-go.

DMC is immeasurably more talented than Smith. Not a good comp. Smith was an elite athlete but not skilled at much of anything other than leaping and running.

Cousins is definitely talented.

The question should be about how worried we would be if Cleveland got him? If the answer is very, we should try to get him. He's no doubt an impact player, however volatile he may be. I know we lost veteran leadership, but Horford is still here. Marcus (although younger), has harnessed his attitude into a positive. Hayward will bring leadership. And I hope Kyrie is ready to walk the walk.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: pearljammer10 on September 12, 2017, 01:10:33 PM
Believe it or not, I'm not sure.

The appeal that the Celtics had was that they had a strong veteran locker room. The culture was perfect to absorb a guy like Cousins. IT, Jae, Bradley. Horford.

All of those guys would be gone. I think the risk goes way up.

I am surprisingly in this camp as well. I was a huge supporter of bringing in Cousins. After he moved to NOP and after the Celtics roster shifting so much, I am no longer a supporter of it.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: satch on September 12, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
Yes...
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: nickagneta on September 12, 2017, 04:11:54 PM
Wouldn't even think about it and I would hang up the phone so fast I might break it. Think the Celtics front office feels the same as they could easily have had him last year and passed.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: PAOBoston on September 12, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
No. And I think the Cs front office (and coach) feels the same way.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on September 12, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
I d keep my eyes on the prize

ADavis
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: byennie on September 12, 2017, 05:11:47 PM
I'd consider him as a midseason rental. I think you can take a guy with that extreme talent, and for a few months get him to fight for a championship in his own best interests. Let someone else overpay him afterwards, though, because you don't want to bet on him for 4 years.

If he's motivated for the playoff run on top of a team already contending, you probably win a title. Risky of course.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: JBcat on September 12, 2017, 08:29:09 PM
I'd consider him as a midseason rental. I think you can take a guy with that extreme talent, and for a few months get him to fight for a championship in his own best interests. Let someone else overpay him afterwards, though, because you don't want to bet on him for 4 years.

If he's motivated for the playoff run on top of a team already contending, you probably win a title. Risky of course.

The problem with your idea is we don't have an expiring contract that lines up nicely with his salary for a trade.  Maybe something like Smart, Morris, and Baynes would be fine. 

Once you start using some of our better assets Brown, Tatum, the LA/Kings pick, or even Horford's big salary you would want to re-sign him to make it worthwhile.  However as others have mentioned it's an iffy proposition given his past history.

I voted yes in my poll but I don't know if I could get myself to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: byennie on September 12, 2017, 09:27:15 PM
I'd consider him as a midseason rental. I think you can take a guy with that extreme talent, and for a few months get him to fight for a championship in his own best interests. Let someone else overpay him afterwards, though, because you don't want to bet on him for 4 years.

If he's motivated for the playoff run on top of a team already contending, you probably win a title. Risky of course.

The problem with your idea is we don't have an expiring contract that lines up nicely with his salary for a trade.  Maybe something like Smart, Morris, and Baynes would be fine. 

Once you start using some of our better assets Brown, Tatum, the LA/Kings pick, or even Horford's big salary you would want to re-sign him to make it worthwhile.  However as others have mentioned it's an iffy proposition given his past history.

I voted yes in my poll but I don't know if I could get myself to pull the trigger.

Salaries could be tricky, but Morris + Baynes + Larkin + Yabusele just barely works, and you could sub Nader/Rozier somewhere in there as well for small changes. So we can do it without moving a ton of talent, but probably would have to be a 4-for-1 or 5-for-1 deal.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: D Dub on September 12, 2017, 09:55:35 PM
No.

He's good, sure-- but he doesn't win games.  And any deal would cost us too much to obtain, it becomes the ultimate lose/lose. 

Rather have Horford as our big.

With Gordon, the two rookies, and Kyrie --- we've enough bucket-getters and I have a feeling this current group deserves to be left alone without tinkering for a bit, see what we have.

Only takes one bad ingredient to mess up the stew.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: JBcat on September 12, 2017, 09:56:07 PM
I'd consider him as a midseason rental. I think you can take a guy with that extreme talent, and for a few months get him to fight for a championship in his own best interests. Let someone else overpay him afterwards, though, because you don't want to bet on him for 4 years.

If he's motivated for the playoff run on top of a team already contending, you probably win a title. Risky of course.


The problem with your idea is we don't have an expiring contract that lines up nicely with his salary for a trade.  Maybe something like Smart, Morris, and Baynes would be fine. 

Once you start using some of our better assets Brown, Tatum, the LA/Kings pick, or even Horford's big salary you would want to re-sign him to make it worthwhile.  However as others have mentioned it's an iffy proposition given his past history.

I voted yes in my poll but I don't know if I could get myself to pull the trigger.

Salaries could be tricky, but Morris + Baynes + Larkin + Yabusele just barely works, and you could sub Nader/Rozier somewhere in there as well for small changes. So we can do it without moving a ton of talent, but probably would have to be a 4-for-1 or 5-for-1 deal.

True but on the other hand there could be teams that could easily trump that offer so you could be in a bidding war as well.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Phantom255x on September 12, 2017, 11:14:59 PM
Whether we want him or not, it seems pretty clear Ainge and CBS don't.  :P

I mean he went for essentially peanuts last deadline and apparently C's didn't even bother making an offer (in fact many teams didn't, which is why Pels got him cheap).
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: byennie on September 12, 2017, 11:18:50 PM
Salaries could be tricky, but Morris + Baynes + Larkin + Yabusele just barely works, and you could sub Nader/Rozier somewhere in there as well for small changes. So we can do it without moving a ton of talent, but probably would have to be a 4-for-1 or 5-for-1 deal.

True but on the other hand there could be teams that could easily trump that offer so you could be in a bidding war as well.

Of course. My point is that we actually can match salaries w/o too much trouble and w/o being forced to trade Brown, Tatum, Smart, etc. The market was pretty weak for 1.5 years of him, presumably it would be even weaker for 0.5 years. Maybe Yabusele, a 1st rounder and those salaries get it done for a rental.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: jdz101 on September 13, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
I went with no.

I don't think I need to further explain my stance on cousins.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: chambers on September 13, 2017, 01:08:34 AM
Nope.
Danny Ainge doesn't want to trade for him and that's reason enough for me to avoid.

Danny Ainge likes to gamble on players with these personalities aka 'problem' children of the NBA.

The guy is obviously mentally ill.
So much talent, such little brains. Will never be the player he had the realistic potential to be.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: crimson_stallion on September 13, 2017, 03:18:30 AM
DMC is becoming the new Josh Smith.

I love his talent, but agree with others that his salary would be too difficult to match...and I would much rather have Horford than Cousins. Brown/Tatum are a definite no-go.

DMC is immeasurably more talented than Smith. Not a good comp. Smith was an elite athlete but not skilled at much of anything other than leaping and running.

Cousins is definitely talented.

The question should be about how worried we would be if Cleveland got him? If the answer is very, we should try to get him. He's no doubt an impact player, however volatile he may be. I know we lost veteran leadership, but Horford is still here. Marcus (although younger), has harnessed his attitude into a positive. Hayward will bring leadership. And I hope Kyrie is ready to walk the walk.

That's actually not rue at all. 

Josh Smith's issues were pretty much all related to attitude.  He was actually a very skilled player - not nearly as much as Cousins, but very skilled all the same.

At 6'9" he could handle and pass the ball like a guard, had elite defensive talent, was a Millsap-level rebounder,  and was actually a pretty skilled post player who was a very effective finisher around the basket.  When his head was in it, he was pretty much a walking triple double. 

Problems with Smith were numerous. 

Firstly, he had a mediocre outside shot that he fell madly, deeply in love with - kinda like our own very own Marcus Smart.  Secondly, he was known for being pretty lazy, not having a particularly great motor, and just having a generally poor attitude and work ethic. 

The above flaws were only further exaggerated by the fact that through most of his career, he played on teams who made pretty poor use of his talents.  When he played the PF spot, and played close to the basket, he was actually very effective.  He shot solid percentages, defended very well, rebounded well, and was generally pretty productive.  When he was played at the SF position and stuck at the perimeter, he tended to fall in love with his not-so-great jumper which tended to turn him into a substantial offensive liability - and everything else went downhill along with it.

Sadly, more often then not teams were putting him in that position - a perfect example being Detroit, with that infamously horrible Drummond/Monroe/Smith frontcourt that made absolutely no sense to anybody with half a basketball brain

Josh Smith definitely had the talent to be an All-Star if he played his cards right.  He probably would have been more fringe all-star (i.e. Al Horford) then perennial All-star, but he could have been an All-Star none the less. 

Demarcus Cousins is a different beast altogether.  He's not just an "All-Star" calibre talent - he is an "All-Time Great" calibre talent.  I'm not at all joking when I say that I believe Demarcus Cousins is the most talented big man in this league - more talented then Porzingis, Anthony Davis or Karl-Anthony Towns and even Embiid.  I don't think I've ever known of a 6'11" / 270 pound big man who can dominate the post, shoot from midrange, shoot from three, handle the ball, pass the ball, defend at a high level and dominate the boards.  That's just crazy talent.

Cousins' personality is undoubtedly a concern, and his lack of team success over the years is also a red flag - but I can't help but give him the passes until the day that he actually gets a chance to play on a quality NBA team.  So far I think that last season's Kings (Rondo/RGay/Cousins) is the most talented team he's ever played, and lets be honest - that team isn't making the playoffs this Western Conference.  I still feel that the thing Cousins wants above all else is to win - I believe that fuels his fire, and I believe his complete lack of "Ws" over the years has just led to that frustration constantly building.  I do feel he could probably turn things around a lot personality wise if he found himself in a winning situation where it's not always "me busting my butt and dominating every night while the bunch of scrubs I'm playing with do nothing and we get killed by 20 anyway".

This year will be a key for me.  This Pelican's roster is far from elite - but it's certainly solid.  With Rondo, Holiday, Davis and Cousins that is a legitimately talented roster that should see SOME degree of success.  If they start winning games and we find that the team is in the race for a playoff spot, then I'd like to see how Cousins reacts to that - will he still throw his constant tantrums or will he start to calm down?

The part that I feel sad for him about, is that I feel like if the Pelicans do play well, get themselves in a playoffs spot, and Cousins starts to calm down - then people are going to just throw all of the credit and praise on Anthony Davis (as the more loved son) while Cousins will get neglected and ignoreds, as he ultimately has his entire career.

As for the OP's question - yes.  I would trade just about anybody we have fro Cousins.  I would give up Horford for Cousins any time, any day, anywhere.  I wouldn't include Kyrie of Hayward. amd I'd try to avoid throwing Tatum in to the deal if possible - aside from that I would tell them to take Horford and pick whatever asset they want to go with him (Brown, Lakers pick, Smart - whatever they want). 

If they really pushed for Horford and Tatum, then I'd probably do that too - but I am extremely high on Tatum and really don't want to trade him. 

A core of Kyrie, Hayward and Cousins would be dominant beyond words.  That team, if surrounded with the right support players, could be every bit as dominant as the Warriors are right now.  And going up against the Warriors would be a lot of fun because Kyrie would go toe-to-toe with Steph, Hayward would go toe-to-tow with Klay...we wouldn't really have an answer for Durant,  but they also wouldn't have an answer for Cousins.  I'd LOVE to see Draymond Green work up the courage to attempt his dirty ball-kicking antics on Cousins - he'd most likely end up lying on the floor after losing the use of multiple body parts.

As much as his attitude can be an issue, one of my biggest concerns with this team right now is our completely lack of toughness and attitude.  The three highest profile players on this team are all soft as cotton balls.  I would actually welcome Demarcus Cousins to come to Boston and to bring his very best Perkins-scowl along with him. 

As a team with championship aspirations, I feel like you HAVE to have an enforcer on your team.  The Bulls had Rodman/Oakley, the Warriors have Green, the 08 Celtics had Garnett and Perkins, the Lebron Heat had Wade and Battier...you have to have that toughness.  We don't have that.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: crimson_stallion on September 13, 2017, 03:25:35 AM
Nope.
Danny Ainge doesn't want to trade for him and that's reason enough for me to avoid.

Danny Ainge likes to gamble on players with these personalities aka 'problem' children of the NBA.

The guy is obviously mentally ill.
So much talent, such little brains. Will never be the player he had the realistic potential to be.

Given he is a 27 year old big who has averaged 26.1 PTS, 11.6 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.5 BLK and 34.3 MIN over his past three seasons, I'm not sure I am following you here...
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Spilling Green Dye on September 13, 2017, 05:06:10 AM
Yes.  The mark of a GREAT coach is that they can motivate "troubled players" (Phil Jackson - Rodman and keeping the Shaq/Kobe thing productive for 3-years.  Red - numerous players.  Even Steve Kerr has gotten Draymond to focus).  If Stevens is the coach we say he is, then he'll get the most out of Cousins.  We absolutely need what Cousins can provide on the court.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: chambers on September 13, 2017, 05:44:32 AM
Nope.
Danny Ainge doesn't want to trade for him and that's reason enough for me to avoid.

Danny Ainge likes to gamble on players with these personalities aka 'problem' children of the NBA.

The guy is obviously mentally ill.
So much talent, such little brains. Will never be the player he had the realistic potential to be.

Given he is a 27 year old big who has averaged 26.1 PTS, 11.6 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.5 BLK and 34.3 MIN over his past three seasons, I'm not sure I am following you here...

Empty stats. Hasn't won anything. His coaches hate him, team mates hate him, refs hate him.
Guys ego is just too big for his own good.

No one will remember DMC in 20 years time.
Isn't it amazing that someone with those stats has never been an MVP candidate and probably never will be?
Only hope he has is some kind of late bloomer reality check and realises what a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. bag he is and how selfish he is.
Unfortunately he probably won't ever have such an epiphany.
Dude only cares about himself and his image at the end of the day.
It's sad because he wants to be a nice guy but he's so selfish and deluded that he physically can't bring himself to give a $hit.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Csfan1984 on September 13, 2017, 05:50:16 AM
I would if it's a package of

Smart, Morris, Baynes, Yab, Larkin and 2 non Laker 1st
for
Cousins


Team ends up as

Irving/Rozier/Allen
Brown/Nader/Bird
Hayward/Tatum
Horford/Semi
Cousins/Theis

That starting 5 could beat the Warriors a few games but the bench needs work.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: chambers on September 13, 2017, 06:12:26 AM
Nope.
Danny Ainge doesn't want to trade for him and that's reason enough for me to avoid.

Danny Ainge likes to gamble on players with these personalities aka 'problem' children of the NBA.

The guy is obviously mentally ill.
So much talent, such little brains. Will never be the player he had the realistic potential to be.

Given he is a 27 year old big who has averaged 26.1 PTS, 11.6 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.5 BLK and 34.3 MIN over his past three seasons, I'm not sure I am following you here...

Empty stats. Hasn't won anything. His coaches hate him, team mates hate him, refs hate him.
Guys ego is just too big for his own good.

No one will remember DMC in 20 years time.
Isn't it amazing that someone with those stats has never been an MVP candidate and probably never will be?
Only hope he has is some kind of late bloomer reality check and realises what a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. bag he is and how selfish he is.
Unfortunately he probably won't ever have such an epiphany.
Dude only cares about himself and his image at the end of the day.
It's sad because he wants to be a nice guy but he's so selfish and deluded that he physically can't bring himself to give a $hit.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: gouki88 on September 13, 2017, 06:31:45 AM
Nope.
Danny Ainge doesn't want to trade for him and that's reason enough for me to avoid.

Danny Ainge likes to gamble on players with these personalities aka 'problem' children of the NBA.

The guy is obviously mentally ill.
So much talent, such little brains. Will never be the player he had the realistic potential to be.

Given he is a 27 year old big who has averaged 26.1 PTS, 11.6 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.5 BLK and 34.3 MIN over his past three seasons, I'm not sure I am following you here...

Empty stats. Hasn't won anything. His coaches hate him, team mates hate him, refs hate him.
Guys ego is just too big for his own good.

No one will remember DMC in 20 years time.
Isn't it amazing that someone with those stats has never been an MVP candidate and probably never will be?
Only hope he has is some kind of late bloomer reality check and realises what a **** bag he is and how selfish he is.
Unfortunately he probably won't ever have such an epiphany.
Dude only cares about himself and his image at the end of the day.
It's sad because he wants to be a nice guy but he's so selfish and deluded that he physically can't bring himself to give a $hit.
Wow. You really must know him well to give such insight into his personality. What a weird attack on someone's character. Yeah he's a baby, but dear lord chill out.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Roy H. on September 13, 2017, 06:55:17 AM
Nope.
Danny Ainge doesn't want to trade for him and that's reason enough for me to avoid.

Danny Ainge likes to gamble on players with these personalities aka 'problem' children of the NBA.

The guy is obviously mentally ill.
So much talent, such little brains. Will never be the player he had the realistic potential to be.

Given he is a 27 year old big who has averaged 26.1 PTS, 11.6 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.5 BLK and 34.3 MIN over his past three seasons, I'm not sure I am following you here...

Empty stats. Hasn't won anything. His coaches hate him, team mates hate him, refs hate him.
Guys ego is just too big for his own good.

No one will remember DMC in 20 years time.
Isn't it amazing that someone with those stats has never been an MVP candidate and probably never will be?
Only hope he has is some kind of late bloomer reality check and realises what a **** bag he is and how selfish he is.
Unfortunately he probably won't ever have such an epiphany.
Dude only cares about himself and his image at the end of the day.
It's sad because he wants to be a nice guy but he's so selfish and deluded that he physically can't

As a thought experiment, ask yourself how much of the above would apply to Kyrie if Lebron never signed there? Certainly not all of it, but many of the same criticisms would apply.  Environment plays a huge role in shaping and defining these guys.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: D Dub on September 13, 2017, 07:49:27 AM
Nope.
Danny Ainge doesn't want to trade for him and that's reason enough for me to avoid.

Danny Ainge likes to gamble on players with these personalities aka 'problem' children of the NBA.

The guy is obviously mentally ill.
So much talent, such little brains. Will never be the player he had the realistic potential to be.

Given he is a 27 year old big who has averaged 26.1 PTS, 11.6 REB, 3.9 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.5 BLK and 34.3 MIN over his past three seasons, I'm not sure I am following you here...

Empty stats. Hasn't won anything. His coaches hate him, team mates hate him, refs hate him.
Guys ego is just too big for his own good.

No one will remember DMC in 20 years time.
Isn't it amazing that someone with those stats has never been an MVP candidate and probably never will be?
Only hope he has is some kind of late bloomer reality check and realises what a **** bag he is and how selfish he is.
Unfortunately he probably won't ever have such an epiphany.
Dude only cares about himself and his image at the end of the day.
It's sad because he wants to be a nice guy but he's so selfish and deluded that he physically can't

As a thought experiment, ask yourself how much of the above would apply to Kyrie if Lebron never signed there? Certainly not all of it, but many of the same criticisms would apply.  Environment plays a huge role in shaping and defining these guys.

Hmm

Has Ky ever had a spat with teammates or coaches? 

Has he ever black-balled reporters after games?

I'm not even sure I can recall him arguing with refs.  Not that he hasn't, I'm sure, but certainly Cousins pouting-face is on a different level.

Other than the self-image thing, seems you are pretty off-base here. 

And I'm okay with his ego, as it drove him to step out of Lebrons shadow to prove himself a better player.   As far as I can tell, he is the first all-star with the huevos to stand up and actually challenge Lebron.  That, to me at least, has virtue.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: dreamgreen on September 13, 2017, 07:53:32 AM
No. Many gms don't want the guy for a reason.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: smokeablount on September 13, 2017, 09:43:01 AM
No, as giving up any combination of the matching salary would undoubtedly overmatch value (trade or team performance), that DMC brings back.

Agree with this and the uncertainty of Weedhli and Roy. Because our team has 3 max/near max guys who aren't going anywhere and comprise a majority of our cap, we're left with only young cheap good prospects to trade. I'd need more time to evaluate Cousins / the Pels.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on September 13, 2017, 12:32:51 PM
Even if we could just sign him as an FA, the cap space he took up would likely be detrimental to our long term success.  The best case for getting him is that Rudy Gay and Greg Monroe have both drastically improved as of late defensively and from an efficiency stand point, but it would be such a gamble to have a player like that.
Title: Re: Would you trade for Demarcus Cousins?
Post by: Boris Badenov on September 13, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
Some info on Cousins this summer, not sure if it's been posted elsewhere.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2017/07/anthony_davis_demarcus_cousins_7.amp