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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Androslav on September 11, 2017, 07:52:36 AM
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1st game of the season, Kyrie in his old arena.
- A mediocre, but a motivated defensive team on the other side and probably DRose for him to match up with. It will be an offensive game.
- Many stuff was said and went on during the summer, most of them seem like motivational boosts for Irving. "Hey, Kyrie that's an overpay for you!"
- Hayward is a slow starter, as noted here - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=93437.0
- Kyrie doesn't need to grasp the new offense right away to score a lot and he will have the ball in his hands as a PG and our 1st option.
With all that calculated in, I am going to predict 45 points from Kyrie in his Celtic debut.
Give your number guys!
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45 would be pretty sweet.
I'm going 29
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23 points, 9 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 turnovers.
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35 points. No way he shoots enough to score 45 (he'll be trying to integrate into the offense and get teammates involved). I'd bet on 8 Assists/4 TOs as well
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19 points, 6 turnovers, sub-40% FG%.
That's in no way a prediction of the season he'll have, but I think he'll struggle in his first game against the Cavs.
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23 points, 9 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 turnovers.
This.
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19 points, 6 turnovers, sub-40% FG%.
That's in no way a prediction of the season he'll have, but I think he'll struggle in his first game against the Cavs.
I'm torn on this one. I can totally see him having a terrible game or I could see him having an unbelievably awesome game.
That said, I think the most likely outcome is he comes out flat, but turns it on down the stretch. So a poor first half, but awesome second half, which overall leads to a great game. Something like 35 and 7 on 45% shooting.
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I expect a big game from him on national tv at Cleveland for the first time since the trade, along with it being his Celtics debut in general.
Everyone is so new to the system that there will be lots of breakdowns that devolve into Kyrie and Hayward isolation/penetration plays, which works in Kyrie's favor.
The more interesting question is who wins. While I think Boston is clearly the better team with Cleveland not having IT ready yet, they still are much more comfortable together and used to playing together than Boston right now. I think it's 50/50, but being the homer that I am, I'm going to say a big game from Kyrie wills us to victory. ;)
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Getting adjusted in Stevens system, and not wanting to look like a ball hog right off the bat...yeah, I say he goes for 35 then
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19 points, 6 turnovers, sub-40% FG%.
That's in no way a prediction of the season he'll have, but I think he'll struggle in his first game against the Cavs.
why the hate, man? ;)
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19 points, 6 turnovers, sub-40% FG%.
That's in no way a prediction of the season he'll have, but I think he'll struggle in his first game against the Cavs.
why the hate, man? ;)
Why is it "hate"?
It's a better line than Lebron put up in his season debut with the Cavs in 2014.
Kyrie put up 19 or fewer points 12 times last year. That equals the number of times he scored 30+.
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I really have no idea. I would like to see him have a well balanced game. But, will he try to do too much or try to integrate into Brad's offense? He might start be trying to do too much and try to prove what he can do. I would think Brad cautions him on that before the game, let the game come to you and get your team involved. I would also like to see the beginnings of Brad's influence on his defense. Should be fun to watch!
Oh ya, I'll go with 25 points.
Great post, TP.
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26 points, 8 assists, 8/19 FGs, 4 TOs. He'll turn it on later I think but first game of the year in CLE with only a month with his new team, he won't have a perfect game.
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I predict a double double.
26 points, 11 assists, 5 rebounds
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27, 5 assists, 4 boards, 2 steals, 3 turnovers
Season averages 28, 8, 4, 1.5, 2.8.
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i would say in the 20-25 point range, aldo the D.Rose matchup is more than favorable
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19 - Roy H.
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N
27 - peraljammer10
29 - gouki88
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis
45 - Androslav
Throw in a few more, if you have a hunch.
@makaveli & @jpotter33 - please specify
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A very inefficient 26 points in a loss to CLE.
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26 and 10, with a couple of boards and steals
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50 pts. It'll be his game to show the world why he didn't want to play under lebron . I can see it being a historic performance
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50 pts. It'll be his game to show the world why he didn't want to play under lebron . I can see it being a historic performance
Woah. Cupcakes bake really quickly, especially minis. He's going to have to neglect every single defensive possession (possible), and take 35 shots (possible), in order to put up 50 points.
Fun fact: In the NBA-sphere, the term cupcake was reportedly coined by our very own former enforcer, Perkins, while in OKC:
https://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/19/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-cupcake-photo-diss (https://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/19/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-cupcake-photo-diss)
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50 pts. It'll be his game to show the world why he didn't want to play under lebron . I can see it being a historic performance
Woah. Cupcakes bake really quickly, especially minis. He's going to have to neglect every single defensive possession (possible), and take 35 shots (possible), in order to put up 50 points.
Fun fact: In the NBA-sphere, the term cupcake was reportedly coined by our very own former enforcer, Perkins, while in OKC:
https://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/19/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-cupcake-photo-diss (https://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/19/russell-westbrook-kevin-durant-cupcake-photo-diss)
Since everyone can find a reason for the certain number of points to be dismissed, let's keep everyone guesses, like untied shoelaces, free for themselves. Season opener will tell the outcome (less than 5 weeks away!).
BTW, as far as I can see it, W-Brook got dissed on that photo, since his only chance for the NBA championship just abandoned him right there. Cute? IMO, not so much for him.
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I'm going for 32 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 turnovers and a W.
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33 points on 12/23 shooting with 7 assists.
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19 - Roy H.
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N
27 - peraljammer10
29 - gouki88
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis
45 - Androslav
Throw in a few more, if you have a hunch.
@makaveli & @jpotter33 - please specify
36 points, 12-24 fgs, 5-9 on 3's, 7-8 fts with 6 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 TOs, and 1 steal. Celtics pull away in the fourth due to superior fire power exploiting their poor D.
I'm also guessing there's going to be some shoving matches and stuff in this game. Kyrie and one or more Cavs will get into it, Jae will get into it with Gordon, etc.
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18: seems a good choice since I cover by default the the whole 0-18 range.
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I think the energy will be through the roof. Kyrie probably has a terrible first quarter but will find his rhythm and turn it on late to score 30. We'll beat the Cavs and the headlines will either start crowning us as the team to beat in the East this year or start wondering whether Lebron and the Cavs are in trouble.
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I think Kyrie will play fine, probably ~24 points or so and a half-dozen assists.
I think the two guys most likely to be 'jacked' for the game will actually be Lebron and Jae Crowder, though.
Lebron has apparently been maniacal in off-season prep for this season, still burning over losing in the Finals. He'll want to make a statement in the first game in his own house. And he will probably want to make that statement over Kyrie once or twice.
And Jae will come in with a big chip on his shoulder. He tends to hit a lot of threes in his 'chippy' games.
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Given its against the guy he thumbed his nose at .
The game could turn into a epic scoring match .
Irving 35
Bron. 42 12 rebounds 10 assists
Celtics by 2 in OT
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i would say in the 20-25 point range, aldo the D.Rose matchup is more than favorable
If Rose guards Kyrie the whole game, Kyrie goes off for 50!
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I'll say 34.
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Gotta-lot-to-prove
40 points, 6 assists, 5 boards , 2 steals...
12 for 25 fg, 6-13 3pg, 10-11 ft
Lebron becomes even more bitter
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Who cares how many? Welcome Uncle Drew! I say 29 points 2 assists :laugh:
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Normally I wouldn't even reply here because I'd think I'd have no idea. But for some reason 33 and 7 is screaming out at me. Not 31 and 7, not 33 and 8... 33 and 7.
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33 points.
With a big win in Cleveland.
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I'll say 34.
He's finally coming around to the trade/Kyrie!
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Kyrie played 2 regular season games against NY last season with Rose starting, and logged:
* 29 points on 54% shooting
* 23 points on 56% shooting
He played 4 regular season games against Boston last season with Isaiah starting, and logged:
* 23 points on 50% shooting
* 32 points on 71% shooting
* 28 points on 53% shooting
* 19 points on 39% shooting
Based on this history against Rose and Isaiah, plus the increased role he's likely to get in Boston, I expect Kyrie will have some very nice (and quite efficient) offensive nights aginst Cleveland this season.
In game 1 Cleveland will have a pretty poor defensive player (in Rose) trying to fit in to a defensive system he's not familiar with, on a team that's not especially great defensively to begin with. This means Rose's already poor defence should be even worse then normal.
Kyrie on the other hand will be coming in as the #1 option (for the first time since he was 21 years old in his 3rd season) so he should get more touches then ever. He also has a lot more to prove then Rose does.
We also know for fact that Kyrie to perform on the big stage, and the stage doesn't get much brighter then opening night, #1 seed vs #2 seed, Celtics vs Cavs, Kyrie vs Lebron.
I'm going to predict he dominates his matchup against Rose on opening night, putting up 33 points, on 54% shooting and leads Boston to a win over the IT-less Cavs.
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
AST:TO ratios over the past two seasons:
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Kyrie Irving: 2.19
Isaiah Thomas: 2.20
Marcus Smart: 2.30
Man, our offense is going to suffer SO dramatically with Kyrie as our PG...
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2-10 from the field (with one being the game winning 3) 9-10 from the free throw line, to go with 8 assists, 5 rebounds, and 2 steals.
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
AST:TO ratios over the past two seasons:
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Kyrie Irving: 2.19
Isaiah Thomas: 2.20
Marcus Smart: 2.30
Man, our offense is going to suffer SO dramatically with Kyrie as our PG...
Fair enough. Thomas and Smart don't dribble the air out of the ball, though :-\.
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
AST:TO ratios over the past two seasons:
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Kyrie Irving: 2.19
Isaiah Thomas: 2.20
Marcus Smart: 2.30
Man, our offense is going to suffer SO dramatically with Kyrie as our PG...
Fair enough. Thomas and Smart don't dribble the air out of the ball, though :-\.
Thomas doesn't? Funny, because when we initially traded for him, all I recall reading on this forum was comments about how much people didn't want him because he's a black hole, a chucker and a ball stopper...who does exactly that!
As for Smart, well no...he doesn't dribble the air out of the ball. But that's just because he is one of the worst ball handling point guards I've ever laid my eyes on in the history of professional basketball. No seriously, I legitimately think that Al Horford is a better passer AND ball handler then Marcus Smart! :P
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2-10 from the field (with one being the game winning 3) 9-10 from the free throw line, to go with 8 assists, 5 rebounds, and 2 steals.
14 or 15 total points?
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18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
32 - CelticD
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK
36 - jpotter33
40 - PaulAllen
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
AST:TO ratios over the past two seasons:
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Kyrie Irving: 2.19
Isaiah Thomas: 2.20
Marcus Smart: 2.30
Man, our offense is going to suffer SO dramatically with Kyrie as our PG...
Fair enough. Thomas and Smart don't dribble the air out of the ball, though :-\.
Thomas doesn't? Funny, because when we initially traded for him, all I recall reading on this forum was comments about how much people didn't want him because he's a black hole, a chucker and a ball stopper...who does exactly that!
As for Smart, well no...he doesn't dribble the air out of the ball. But that's just because he is one of the worst ball handling point guards I've ever laid my eyes on in the history of professional basketball. No seriously, I legitimately think that Al Horford is a better passer AND ball handler then Marcus Smart! :P
While I do think that IT was a ball hog, I don't believe that he's nearly in Kyrie's class in that respect. Plus, unlike Irving, Thomas can actually play off the ball, whereas Kyrie will routinely dribble out the clock in isolation situations, which, admittedly, sometimes works, but most of the time simply does not. In that respect they're completely different players, offensively.
As for Smart, well, yeah...I figured that that was pretty self explanatory :laugh:. Between him and Rozier in terms of decision making, well, no wonder Ainge is looking at Bogut, lol. Come to think of it, with Rozier and Tatum on the second unit - yikes. Our bench might have more black holes than a documentary/special narrated by Neil deGrasse Tyson :laugh:.
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Im guessing 28, but it will be on a high volume
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2-10 from the field (with one being the game winning 3) 9-10 from the free throw line, to go with 8 assists, 5 rebounds, and 2 steals.
14 or 15 total points?
14
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82
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14 - LatterDayCelticsfan
18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
32 - CelticD
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK
36 - jpotter33
40 - PaulAllen
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite
82 - Celts Fan 508
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If he's going up against the corpse of D Rose and all the other guard slop that Cleveland has? I'd say 25-30 points. Easily. I'll say 27 for exact number.
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I want to be a part of the list and 28 is still open, so I will go with 28.
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22. Book it.
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im gonna go with 29 points easily. He should be producing more than Thomas did and he wants to make a good start ^^ He will be looking for assists tho so I feel above 6 there
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37
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18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
32 - CelticD
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK
36 - jpotter33
40 - PaulAllen
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite
82 - Celts Fan 508
TP for aggregating the responses and providing a nice thread for some fun speculation.
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Thanks for the response.
61 is still open. :)
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He will score a lot. I'll go with 32.
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31 points
Kyrie will score 31 points to go along with 7 assists and 4-5 rebounds (impressive game). He will definitely be amped up playing vs his former team and I'm sure he wants to prove some of the doubters wrong.
But lost in all the Kyrie hype is that we also signed Hayward, and seems like most (even the media), have forgotten about him LOL. Which is why on his Celtics debut Hayward will drop 27. If it weren't for Hayward, I would think Kyrie could score 38-42 points but alongside Horford and Hayward and a good bench, I'll say 31.
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I am taking 21. He will try to be a solid teammate and pass a lot to start and then finish strong. I am betting he goes for career high assists 16 or 17.
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I'll say 34.
He's finally coming around to the trade/Kyrie!
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/20120607035837_auto.gif)
LOL nope. I do think Kyrie's going to try to prove something in the opener, though. Whether that something is that he can carry a team as the #1 option or that he can be an elite playmaker, I'm not sure. However, I think he's far more capable of scoring than facilitating, so I'll bet on gaudy (volume) scoring.
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23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK
36 - jpotter33
40 - PaulAllen
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite
82 - Celts Fan 508
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Only 29 days left!
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*If Celtics win the game.
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39 points. He's gonna hit 8 threes.
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I like this.
Put me in on 35 points.
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
AST:TO ratios over the past two seasons:
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Kyrie Irving: 2.19
Isaiah Thomas: 2.20
Marcus Smart: 2.30
Man, our offense is going to suffer SO dramatically with Kyrie as our PG...
Fair enough. Thomas and Smart don't dribble the air out of the ball, though :-\.
Thomas doesn't? Funny, because when we initially traded for him, all I recall reading on this forum was comments about how much people didn't want him because he's a black hole, a chucker and a ball stopper...who does exactly that!
As for Smart, well no...he doesn't dribble the air out of the ball. But that's just because he is one of the worst ball handling point guards I've ever laid my eyes on in the history of professional basketball. No seriously, I legitimately think that Al Horford is a better passer AND ball handler then Marcus Smart! :P
While I do think that IT was a ball hog, I don't believe that he's nearly in Kyrie's class in that respect. Plus, unlike Irving, Thomas can actually play off the ball, whereas Kyrie will routinely dribble out the clock in isolation situations, which, admittedly, sometimes works, but most of the time simply does not. In that respect they're completely different players, offensively.
As for Smart, well, yeah...I figured that that was pretty self explanatory :laugh:. Between him and Rozier in terms of decision making, well, no wonder Ainge is looking at Bogut, lol. Come to think of it, with Rozier and Tatum on the second unit - yikes. Our bench might have more black holes than a documentary/special narrated by Neil deGrasse Tyson :laugh:.
He scored 25 a game last year playing with Lebron James. Who did IT play with last year who had a usage rate above 30%?
Kyrie may make his bread and butter as an iso scorer, but I'm pretty sure he can play off ball.
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14 - LatterDayCelticsfan
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19 - Roy H.
21 - Timdawgg
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK
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45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite
82 - Celts Fan 508
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61 is still there!
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What happened to my 37 prediction?
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For me 38 points.
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23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
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28 - jambr380
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
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I guessed 28 earlier
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23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
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28 - jambr380
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK
36 - jpotter33
40 - PaulAllen
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite
82 - Celts Fan 508
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Only 29 days left!
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I guessed 28 earlier
I'm with CelticsElite with 50!
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17
In the 1st quarter...
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
AST:TO ratios over the past two seasons:
---
Kyrie Irving: 2.19
Isaiah Thomas: 2.20
Marcus Smart: 2.30
Man, our offense is going to suffer SO dramatically with Kyrie as our PG...
Fair enough. Thomas and Smart don't dribble the air out of the ball, though :-\.
Thomas doesn't? Funny, because when we initially traded for him, all I recall reading on this forum was comments about how much people didn't want him because he's a black hole, a chucker and a ball stopper...who does exactly that!
As for Smart, well no...he doesn't dribble the air out of the ball. But that's just because he is one of the worst ball handling point guards I've ever laid my eyes on in the history of professional basketball. No seriously, I legitimately think that Al Horford is a better passer AND ball handler then Marcus Smart! :P
While I do think that IT was a ball hog, I don't believe that he's nearly in Kyrie's class in that respect. Plus, unlike Irving, Thomas can actually play off the ball, whereas Kyrie will routinely dribble out the clock in isolation situations, which, admittedly, sometimes works, but most of the time simply does not. In that respect they're completely different players, offensively.
As for Smart, well, yeah...I figured that that was pretty self explanatory :laugh:. Between him and Rozier in terms of decision making, well, no wonder Ainge is looking at Bogut, lol. Come to think of it, with Rozier and Tatum on the second unit - yikes. Our bench might have more black holes than a documentary/special narrated by Neil deGrasse Tyson :laugh:.
He scored 25 a game last year playing with Lebron James. Who did IT play with last year who had a usage rate above 30%?
Kyrie may make his bread and butter as an iso scorer, but I'm pretty sure he can play off ball.
See, because of his shooting proficiency, that's what I thought when Lebron first came back to Cleveland, but from what I've seen Kyrie's development even as a spot-up threat has essentially been like pulling teeth. To be fair, he has improved in that department over the last three seasons, but, idk, and maybe this is just me, Irving seems to be one of those guys who is more comfortable catching the ball, taking a dribble or two, and then shooting it, kind of like Evan Turner in that regard, as opposed to just catching and shooting it, which allows the defense to close and make his shot much more difficult. He also doesn't move when he's off the ball, either, or at least from what I've seen, which, admittedly, is not a yuge number of games but a decent amount, I'd say, to notice some particular traits and tendencies over the years, but what do I know? :-\
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First, who cares about how many points he scores if we still lose, and second, I think the more amusing question is, "Kyrie's first game - how many assists?" Lol. Hopefully he'll break even on the old assist-to-turnover ratio ::).
AST:TO ratios over the past two seasons:
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Kyrie Irving: 2.19
Isaiah Thomas: 2.20
Marcus Smart: 2.30
Man, our offense is going to suffer SO dramatically with Kyrie as our PG...
Fair enough. Thomas and Smart don't dribble the air out of the ball, though :-\.
Thomas doesn't? Funny, because when we initially traded for him, all I recall reading on this forum was comments about how much people didn't want him because he's a black hole, a chucker and a ball stopper...who does exactly that!
As for Smart, well no...he doesn't dribble the air out of the ball. But that's just because he is one of the worst ball handling point guards I've ever laid my eyes on in the history of professional basketball. No seriously, I legitimately think that Al Horford is a better passer AND ball handler then Marcus Smart! :P
While I do think that IT was a ball hog, I don't believe that he's nearly in Kyrie's class in that respect. Plus, unlike Irving, Thomas can actually play off the ball, whereas Kyrie will routinely dribble out the clock in isolation situations, which, admittedly, sometimes works, but most of the time simply does not. In that respect they're completely different players, offensively.
As for Smart, well, yeah...I figured that that was pretty self explanatory :laugh:. Between him and Rozier in terms of decision making, well, no wonder Ainge is looking at Bogut, lol. Come to think of it, with Rozier and Tatum on the second unit - yikes. Our bench might have more black holes than a documentary/special narrated by Neil deGrasse Tyson :laugh:.
He scored 25 a game last year playing with Lebron James. Who did IT play with last year who had a usage rate above 30%?
Kyrie may make his bread and butter as an iso scorer, but I'm pretty sure he can play off ball.
See, because of his shooting proficiency, that's what I thought when Lebron first came back to Cleveland, but from what I've seen Kyrie's development even as a spot-up threat has essentially been like pulling teeth. To be fair, he has improved in that department over the last three seasons, but, idk, and maybe this is just me, Irving seems to be one of those guys who is more comfortable catching the ball, taking a dribble or two, and then shooting it, kind of like Evan Turner in that regard, as opposed to just catching and shooting it, which allows the defense to close and make his shot much more difficult. He also doesn't move when he's off the ball, either, or at least from what I've seen, which, admittedly, is not a yuge number of games but a decent amount, I'd say, to notice some particular traits and tendencies over the years, but what do I know? :-\
Hes incredibly efficient when he does take catch and shoot jumpers, but I agree he seems more comfortable taking a dribble or two.
I also havent been too impressed with his off ball movement, but its not out of the question that there was some level of frustration with playing with Lebron. As good as Lebron James offenses are, they never have much rhythm.
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Here is the board with 2 weeks to go.
Currently, we have 42 participants in this "magical" game of guessing.
06 - LarBrd33 (let's just say due to minutes played, not restriction and foul trouble)
14 - LatterDayCelticsfan
18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
21 - Timdawgg
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380, Bucketgetter
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK, Yoki_IsTheName
36 - jpotter33
37 - nickagneta
38 - Draft XIV
39 - Dino Pitino
40 - PaulAllen
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite, liam
82 - Celts Fan 508
Each number wins a prize!*
Only 14 days left!
61 is still there!
*If Celtics win the game.
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Im going with 34
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20 for me. I'm hoping he tries to emphasize passing, so I'll say 20 pts and 8 assists on 7-15 shooting. So obviously there are some 3s and FTs sprinkled in.
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Kyrie already looked different in his first game as a Celtic
His defense, passing...scoring the same. Awesome acquisition
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Here is the board with 8 days to go.
Currently, we have no less, or more, than 44 participants in this "magical" game of guessing.
06 - LarBrd33 (let's just say due to minutes played, not restriction and foul trouble)
14 - LatterDayCelticsfan
18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
20 - A Future of Stevens
21 - Timdawgg
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380, Bucketgetter
29 - gouki88, soulman
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215, RockinRyA
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK, Yoki_IsTheName
36 - jpotter33
37 - nickagneta
38 - Draft XIV
39 - Dino Pitino
40 - PaulAllen
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite, liam
82 - Celts Fan 508
Each number wins a prize!*
Only 8 days left!
61 is still available!
*If Celtics win the game.
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I go with 42 pts and a win of course! ;)
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Ok, I'll go for 34 points.
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I'll go with 29 points!
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With just 1 day to go, here is our prediction board.
Currently, we have no less, or more, than 47 participants in this magical game of guessing.
There is still time to join in (I'd like us to get to 50) and to add even more thrill to this citizens festivity. The winner or multiple winners get a TP from me as a prize.
06 - LarBrd33 (let's just say due to minutes played, not restriction and foul trouble)
14 - LatterDayCelticsfan
18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
20 - A Future of Stevens
21 - Timdawgg
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380, Bucketgetter
29 - gouki88, soulman, Spilling Green Dye
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion
34 - max215, RockinRyA, RodyTur10
35 - hpantazo, BitterJim, Moranis, SHAQATTACK, Yoki_IsTheName
36 - jpotter33
37 - nickagneta
38 - Draft XIV
39 - Dino Pitino
40 - PaulAllen
42 - DrJasper
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite, liam
82 - Celts Fan 508
Consolidated Celtics blog's prognosis is 31,4 points,
so, we can already feel the good vibes kicking in for tomorrows game.
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33. Larry is watching!
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25
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Yo Androslav, pretty sure i gave my tally
anyway,
20 for me.
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Yo Androslav, pretty sure i gave my tally
anyway,
20 for me.
You are right, somehow I missed your post and will correct it.
I wrote down 20.
The first time you wrote 26, so just write me if you want me to change it.
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28
And the 6 is completely ridiculous, but it makes total sense when you consider the source.
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With just 1 day to go, here is our prediction board.
Currently, we have 51 participants in this magical game of guessing.
There is still time to join this citizen festivity and folk pleasure.
06 - LarBrd33 (let's just say due to minutes played, no restrictions or foul trouble)
14 – LatterDayCelticsfan
17 – Birdman
18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
20 - A Future of Stevens, ashanm10
21 - Timdawgg
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33, rondofan1255
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston
28 - jambr380, Bucketgetter, Eddie20
29 - gouki88, soulman, Spilling Green Dye
30 - LilRip
31 - Phantom255x
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion, Somebody
34 - max215, RockinRyA, RodyTur10
35 – BitterJim, hpantazo, Moranis, SHAQATTACK, Yoki_IsTheName
36 - jpotter33
37 - nickagneta
38 - Draft XIV
39 - Dino Pitino
40 - PaulAllen
42 - DrJasper
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite, liam
82 - Celts Fan 508
Consolidated Celtics blog's prognosis is 31,02 points,
relatively big number, but such is our expectation for Kyrie and our whole squad.
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Looks like 25 until he hits a buzzer beater for 27 and the Celtics win 117 - 116.
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I was going to guess something in the low 20s, because I figured he’d rack up 10+ assists to show everyone he moves the ball well in a system not dominated by LeBron. But then I remembered the Cavs have Derrick Rose and Jose Calderon at the point, and it’s difficult to not see him scoring a lot of points due to the Cavs defense. So I’m upping it to 28 points, limited only by the fact that he might not go more than 30 minutes because it’s opening night and the Celtics have a back-to-back.
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Yo Androslav, pretty sure i gave my tally
anyway,
20 for me.
You are right, somehow I missed your post and will correct it.
I wrote down 20.
The first time you wrote 26, so just write me if you want me to change it.
thank you :D
well im torn between 20-26 XDDD around there but ill take 20 coz its a good average to expect him to make this game :)
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27/11/4
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Watch him drop 50. I really wouldn't be that surprised.
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Mark me down for 31.
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Watch him drop 50. I really wouldn't be that surprised.
Look at who will be guarding him and 50 is not out of the question. The way he's been playing so far I go with: 30-10-10
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With just 0 days and some few hours day to go, here is our prediction board.
Currently, we have 57 participants in this magical game of guessing.
There is still time to join this citizen festivity and folk pleasure.
06 - LarBrd33 (let's just say due to minutes played, no minute restriction or foul trouble)
14 – LatterDayCelticsfan
17 – Birdman
18 - greece666
19 - Roy H.
20 - A Future of Stevens, ashanm10
21 - Timdawgg
22 - Granath
23 - Mike Pemulis, Chris22
24 - mmmmm
25 - lbgreen33, rondofan1255
26 - Ory, C3LTSF4N, tarheelsxxiii, radiohead
27 - peraljammer10, PAOBoston, Grayman, ChillyWilly
28 - jambr380, Bucketgetter, Eddie20, saltlover
29 - gouki88, soulman, Spilling Green Dye
30 – LilRip, liam
31 - Phantom255x, chicagoceltic
32 - CelticD, moiso
33 - smokeablount, SparzWizard, crimson_stallion, Somebody
34 - max215, RockinRyA, RodyTur10
35 – BitterJim, hpantazo, Moranis, SHAQATTACK, Yoki_IsTheName
36 - jpotter33, Mr. October
37 - nickagneta
38 - Draft XIV
39 - Dino Pitino
40 - PaulAllen
42 - DrJasper
45 - Androslav
50 - CelticsElite, C3LTSF4N
82 - Celts Fan 508
We have all the numbers from 17-40 covered, good range for someone to hit it right on the head.
Consolidated Celtics blog's prognosis is 30,89 points, relatively big number, but such is our expectation for Kyrie and our whole squad. I'll update new inputs.
@liam I changed your previous number (50 to 30)
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36
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*ahem*
;D
8)
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*ahem*
;D
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Is it luck or is it knowledge?
Whichever the case may be, Congrats and TP for you Granath.
I was hoping in the end that Kyrie hits that three, put us in OT...and then somehow gets to 45!
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*ahem*
;D
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Is it luck or is it knowledge?
Whichever the case may be, Congrats and TP for you Granath.
I was hoping in the end that Kyrie hits that three, put us in OT...and then somehow gets to 45!
Bit of both, more luck than knowledge.
I figured either Kyrie would do one of two things in his first game - concentrate on his passing or try to outscore everyone on the planet. So I went with the former given Brad's influence and it turned out to be the correct choice.