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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Roy H. on September 10, 2017, 07:06:20 PM
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... and his name is Terry.
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Terry Rozier has been the subject of trade interest during his time with the Boston Celtics, but Danny Ainge has so far resisted including him any deals.
Rozier was reportedly a sticking point in several rumored trades.
Rozier was asked if he was ever worried the Celtics would trade him this summer as they have reshaped their roster.
"Nah, Danny won't trade me," said Rozier with a laugh.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247371/Terry-Rozier-Was-Confident-Celtics-Wouldnt-Trade-Him
Hat tip to Phantom255x for the inspiration for the thread. Terry's quote cracked me up.
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Probably true. An undersized guard with major holes in his game + an inflated sense of his ability = a DA love-child.
If he reaches all-star status, though, he'll be dangled in every trade negotiation possible.
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LOL at first I saw the meme and was like, "wait a minute.. isn't this mine" but then I read the rest of the post. :laugh:
It is amazing that after all this, Rozier has 'survived' and is still on the team, especially when he's always dangled in as "trade filler" on most trade ideas here. :P
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LOL at first I saw the meme and was like, "wait a minute.. isn't this mine" but then I read the rest of the post. :laugh:
It is amazing that after all this, Rozier has 'survived' and is still on the team, especially when he's always dangled in as "trade filler" on most trade ideas here. :P
Danny has always valued change of pace combo guards to come in and stop runs before they get out of hand.
We saw it a lot in the Wizards series where Wall and Beal would start carving the team up and Rozier would steal the momentum right back with a quick 3 once they would sub out for rest. It put Jennings and the rest of their bench in disarray since they were giving away the lead the starters built and forced Wall and Beal back in faster than they probably should have.
I think Bradley was originally drafted for this role but his continued improvement moved him to the starting line-up. Terry is right in that sweet spot right now and I think will be resigned to a fair contract for both sides.
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If he reaches all-star status, though, he'll be dangled in every trade negotiation possible.
There's some truth in this for sure - Danny loves to sell or cut bait on guys right as they've reached their full potential, whatever that is. If he feels that Rozier isn't going to improve much more he'll probably be a lot more willing to move him.
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
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If he reaches all-star status, though, he'll be dangled in every trade negotiation possible.
There's some truth in this for sure - Danny loves to sell or cut bait on guys right as they've reached their full potential, whatever that is. If he feels that Rozier isn't going to improve much more he'll probably be a lot more willing to move him.
He has successfully adopted the 'sell high/buy low' Rusted Rims strategy.
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
is that a reach? Flex Armstrong couldn't make that kind of a reach
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
If anything, Rozier is a scoring version of Rondo. Both are terrific rebounders with great defensive upsides. Not to mention, both have shown tenacity on the court, especially in the playoffs.
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
He's really nothing at all like Kyrie. Almost two completely different players.
Personality wise Rozier has a tough, physical mentality - closer to Marcus Smart then he is to Kyrie. He has an extremely high motor - always plays extremely hard on defence, frequently fights for rebounds in traffic over bigs, dives for every loose ball, etc.
Rozier is also a very wiling passer - at times I sometimes feel he's TOO unselfish - when he's on the court with higher profile players he often defers and passes off the ball, even if he has a mismatch or an open lane. I get the impression that he's trying too hard to not affect the status quo and to try and be a good teammate, not step on the toes of his fellow star Celtics. When the star players sit you can see his mentality change, and he starts to play much more aggressively (and tends to do better as a result).
Physically he is lightning quick, incredibly fast in the open floor, very strong (physically) and likes to play above the rim when the opportunity presents itself.
By comparison Kyrie shows little motor - rarely plays with effort on defence, rarely ever chases down a loose ball, never see him battling for rebounds. He's never seen a shot he doesn't like and any time he has a decent shot he's likely to take it rather then pass it. Physically he's not a standout run/jump athlete, although he is very quick (stopping on a dime, chancing direction, changing speeds, etc) and tends to use that combined with his ball handling to get by people. Plays almost exclusively below the rim.
Only similarities I really see are that both guys tend to elevate their game during the big moments, both are super clucth, and both can score in a variety of ways (though Kyrie is a much better shooter). Also neither is a traditional pass-first PG.
Otherwise, I think these are very different players. I'd consider Rozier to be more like a poor man's Derrick Rose (before the injuries), but with a better three point shot and greater defensive potential.
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
He's really nothing at all like Kyrie. Almost two completely different players.
Personality wise Rozier has a tough, physical mentality - closer to Marcus Smart then he is to Kyrie. He has an extremely high motor - always plays extremely hard on defence, frequently fights for rebounds in traffic over bigs, dives for every loose ball, etc.
Rozier is also a very wiling passer - at times I sometimes feel he's TOO unselfish - when he's on the court with higher profile players he often defers and passes off the ball, even if he has a mismatch or an open lane. I get the impression that he's trying too hard to not affect the status quo and to try and be a good teammate, not step on the toes of his fellow star Celtics. When the star players sit you can see his mentality change, and he starts to play much more aggressively (and tends to do better as a result).
Physically he is lightning quick, incredibly fast in the open floor, very strong (physically) and likes to play above the rim when the opportunity presents itself.
By comparison Kyrie shows little motor - rarely plays with effort on defence, rarely ever chases down a loose ball, never see him battling for rebounds. He's never seen a shot he doesn't like and any time he has a decent shot he's likely to take it rather then pass it. Physically he's not a standout run/jump athlete, although he is very quick (stopping on a dime, chancing direction, changing speeds, etc) and tends to use that combined with his ball handling to get by people. Plays almost exclusively below the rim.
Only similarities I really see are that both guys tend to elevate their game during the big moments, both are super clucth, and both can score in a variety of ways (though Kyrie is a much better shooter). Also neither is a traditional pass-first PG.
Otherwise, I think these are very different players. I'd consider Rozier to be more like a poor man's Derrick Rose (before the injuries), but with a better three point shot and greater defensive potential.
A frank, seven paragraph dissertation on whether Terry Rozier's game more closely resembles current Kyrie Irving or MVP level Derrick Rose.
Ahhh... Celtic's Blog... How I love thee.
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
By extension, would that make him a poor man's short Kobe?
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
He's really nothing at all like Kyrie. Almost two completely different players.
Personality wise Rozier has a tough, physical mentality - closer to Marcus Smart then he is to Kyrie. He has an extremely high motor - always plays extremely hard on defence, frequently fights for rebounds in traffic over bigs, dives for every loose ball, etc.
Rozier is also a very wiling passer - at times I sometimes feel he's TOO unselfish - when he's on the court with higher profile players he often defers and passes off the ball, even if he has a mismatch or an open lane. I get the impression that he's trying too hard to not affect the status quo and to try and be a good teammate, not step on the toes of his fellow star Celtics. When the star players sit you can see his mentality change, and he starts to play much more aggressively (and tends to do better as a result).
Physically he is lightning quick, incredibly fast in the open floor, very strong (physically) and likes to play above the rim when the opportunity presents itself.
By comparison Kyrie shows little motor - rarely plays with effort on defence, rarely ever chases down a loose ball, never see him battling for rebounds. He's never seen a shot he doesn't like and any time he has a decent shot he's likely to take it rather then pass it. Physically he's not a standout run/jump athlete, although he is very quick (stopping on a dime, chancing direction, changing speeds, etc) and tends to use that combined with his ball handling to get by people. Plays almost exclusively below the rim.
Only similarities I really see are that both guys tend to elevate their game during the big moments, both are super clucth, and both can score in a variety of ways (though Kyrie is a much better shooter). Also neither is a traditional pass-first PG.
Otherwise, I think these are very different players. I'd consider Rozier to be more like a poor man's Derrick Rose (before the injuries), but with a better three point shot and greater defensive potential.
A frank, seven paragraph dissertation on whether Terry Rozier's game more closely resembles current Kyrie Irving or MVP level Derrick Rose.
Ahhh... Celtic's Blog... How I love thee.
Nothing wrong with that.
Nobody is saying he's anywhere near as good as either of those two guys - to highlight certain characteristics of him that resembles characteristics of those guys, nothing wrong with that.
It's like saying a Miata is closer to a poor man's Lotus Elise then it a poor man's Mercedes SL63. One is a lightweight and relatively affordable sports car that relies on "less is more" principle to make it a swift and fun drivers car. The other is a 2-tonne luxury roadster that has every luxury and a whopping huge. An MX-5 can't even dream of touching an Elise on a track or competing with the Merc on luxury or straight line grunt - but you can still clearly see that is philosophically a lot more like one then it is like the other.
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Terry, Terry baby :laugh:
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Of course Danny won't trade him. He's the second-longest-tenured member of the team.
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Going over the top of screens in today's game of no hand checking and multiple screens. Guards that have that ability to slither or power around over or through screens are critically important. Marcus has the best combination of strength,weight distribution and technique-This is not fun for most players and Marcus makes the screener pay.
Rozier has that defensive DNA, the reach and burst of speed but still is getting hung up at times.He is still figuring out technique which should be a cross of bradley and smart..There has to be communication on defense or you get blindsided like crowder defense is hard work and missed by most fans.Avery was a pickpocket and Marcus Mike Tyson just ripping the ball away.
Smart since he came into league seems to have a mandate by referees to play physical and not get called for ticky-tack fouls
.The screeners are wary of Marcus, of Marcus's brute strength and mass, he also lowers his shoulder and leverages up.You can't teach that stuff.
Marcus plays defense like others play offence i just sit applauding all the little things he does .
Rozier has that defensive DNA but is still figuring it out
.Part of Roziers poor closing is i don't think he likes getting hit playing above the rim.He doesn't land well and hears footsteps -I think
Bladley actually watched Roziers impact on boards and incorporated that into his game last year.
Rozier used to zig zag using bursts to get up court.He now knows where he wants to go and how to get there. A point guard project it takes time
Rozier is getting there and had some great mentors isaiah,bladley,crowder and marcus`.
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Is Rozier being a poor mans Kyrie a reach? I really believe their style of play and mentality is similar.
If anything, Rozier is a scoring version of Rondo. Both are terrific rebounders with great defensive upsides. Not to mention, both have shown tenacity on the court, especially in the playoffs.
Terry Rozier is very comparable to Jeff Teague only a much better rebounder
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Terry-Rozier/Comparison/24644/Jeff-Teague/1614
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Of course Danny won't trade him. He's the second-longest-tenured member of the team.
That is so crazy lol
For a second I was thinking the longest tenured after Smart would be Al Horford, but you're right - Rozier came to Boston a year before Horford did.
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Terry Rozier is very comparable to Jeff Teague only a much better rebounder
Are you being serious? Because Teague is a way better scorer and I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read your post with the slick graphics. The 22 PPG to 3 PPG, just torpedoes your argument into absurdity.
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Terry Rozier is very comparable to Jeff Teague only a much better rebounder
Are you being serious? Because Teague is a way better scorer and I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read your post with the slick graphics. The 22 PPG to 3 PPG, just torpedoes your argument into absurdity.
I assume he is more talking about measurements and age. Teague didn't become any sort of player until he got minutes at age 23. He went from about 14 minutes to over 30. Terry will be 23 this season.
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I love Rozier. LOL He just plays and is very steady and fearless.
Of all the people Ainge has traded, he will not trade Rozier. Too funny.
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LOL at first I saw the meme and was like, "wait a minute.. isn't this mine" but then I read the rest of the post. :laugh:
It is amazing that after all this, Rozier has 'survived' and is still on the team, especially when he's always dangled in as "trade filler" on most trade ideas here. :P
Rozier is still on his rookie contract and has 2 years left. It is not surprising at all that he is still here.
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When Rozier is on the floor, I see Rondo. Of course he isn't the same caliber of player and probably never will be, but their body types and the way they both cover ground on the court is uncanny.
Also, Rozier is making under $2M this year and has two years left on his contract. He also still has massive growth potential left in his game (I know the age situation). Using Terry as salary filler would make no sense - especially since he was a Danny guy (considered a reach at the time).
Love the quote, btw!